Red Reposter - 7/16/09
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jul 16, 2009 10:30 AM EDT
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MLB FanHouse says Homer Bailey might just have turned the corner. It's a pretty standard piece, until they start explaining how he's done it:Bailey credits two people for his improvement. Over the winter, he worked with University of Texas pitching coach Skip Johnson and figured out a mechanical flaw. (Bailey would have attended Texas had he not signed with the Reds.) "He noticed in one bullpen," Bailey said. "I came back for the second one and it was a noticeable difference. It was like, this is unbelievable." Bailey said he learned to "stand tall" and keep his weight back longer in his delivery, allowing him to be more consistent with his release point and his command. Then, this year at Triple-A Louisville, Bailey learned the split-finger pitch from teammate Justin Lehr, giving him a third pitch he could use in place of a changeup. "I never could throw a changeup...so it was like, to hell with it. I kind of tinkered with a split a few years ago and the organization didn't want me throwing it."
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Hall o' Famer Hal identifies 5 factors that he thinks are going to frame the Reds second half
The tough schedule ahead (Milwaukee, LA, and the Cubs before the month ends), Joey Votto needs to play, the rotation needs to bring it together, the anemic offense needs to take some Flintstones, and the bullpen needs to stay on top of it. -
Sky Kalkman at BtB came up with the coolest thing I've seen in a while
a spreadsheet calculator to estimate a player's true trade value. I've only got to play with it a little bit so far, but it is really, really cool. -
Dave Cameron at FanGraphs has been counting down the players with the most trade value
you can read here for an explanation. Yesterday he looked at #30-#26, and our very own Jay Bruce shows up at #26. Here's what he had to say about The Boss:
"Don’t overreact to the .202 BABIP that has sunk his performance this year - he’s a 22-year-old monster power bat with defensive value as an outfielder. There’s legitimately best-player-in-baseball upside here if Bruce reaches his full potential, and he’s already a solid player. The Reds have a cornerstone foundation piece, as long as they don’t break him while trying to improve his batting average." -
This was mentioned in the comments yesterday
but Joey Votto and Brandon Phillips are going to make sandwiches at Subway on Saturday from noon to 1. The Subway they will be gracing is at 6491 Bridgetown Road. They wont be signing autographs, but you can still go down and get a cold cut combo and give 'em a pat on the back.
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I'm going to go there and order a sub with nothing but Canadian Bacon and mayo
from Joey Votto
Needless to say, this didn't work and everybody died.
The thing about the split has been reported before
In fact, they told him not to throw a splitfinger this time, too. He told his coach that he was going to do it anyway, and to tell the Reds it was a changeup if they gave him any hassle.
As for his mechanics…didn’t one of those mechanics analysis sites do a comparison, and find his mechanics hadn’t changed?
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
I read he got the OK this time. The he was going to throw it anyway was part of the story, but after the last demotion, they approved the new pitch.
What’s the difference between the fb and the split? Finger placement on the ball? Does it really cause that much impact on your shoulder or elbow?
Maybe instead of converting the position players, like Gil and Davis, they should be trying different pitches with the pitchers they have?
Yeah, I read he got the OK this time too
and apparently the splitter is a tough pitch on arms, there’s a pretty big injury history with them, you can kind of understand the organization not wanting to let the 21 year old prize pitching prospect throw it.
It is pretty crazy, though, if true that the Texas coach fixed something in one bullpen session that our crack coaching staff never saw.
Isn't there a slanket somewhere you should be filling with your farts?
I think its interesting Homer is throwing with significantly more velocity this year
almost 2 mph faster than 07. My big problem with Homer last year was he was a power pitcher without the fastball that would hit 95+. After he has been called up Homer as been sitting comfortable at 94-95 and has brought to around 97.
With the split finger- he now looks like the dominant pitcher advertised early in his career.
I think Bailey is going to have a great 2nd half.
If you want to feel how one might injure his arm by throwing a splitter
Merely hold up your arm and your first two fingers, and bring your middle finger out away from the index finger.
You can feel the strain all down your forearm (I can anyway). Imagine doing it while whipping a baseball.
This unscientific study brought to you by boredom.
by Colin Auscapee on Jul 16, 2009 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
It's a good thing running backs don't run on their elbows.
by Brian B on Jul 16, 2009 1:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
eh
Curt Schilling and Roger Clemens seemed to do alright with it. I think there is a right way to throw it that can help lessen your risk for injury. Who knows if Homer knows that right way? Also, it probably helps if you have hands that are big enough to throw the pitch correctly.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
What are you implying?
I am determined to take it personally.
by Colin Auscapee on Jul 16, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
also, the length of a pitcher's fingers has a lot to do with the stress a splitter puts on the forearm
but like any pitch, it becomes dangerous when you’re not consistently throwing it correctly.
Will you stop it with the vegetables
by Man Mountain on Jul 16, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Those two exceptions prove a rule?
I’m surprised at you for that reasoning, Slyde
Anyway, I’m fine with Homer doing it, because he barely throws the dang thing. In my mind, he’s using it to keep hitters off balance. He certainly is trusting in his stuff this time around. First pitch curves for strikes and using the fastball as an out pitch. I love it.
His split reminds me of a story about two pitchers who knew how to keep people off balance. Eddie Lopat and Johnny Sain decided they’d each love to have ten Allie Reynolds fastballs a game. Johnny asked Lopat, when would use them, and Lopat told him he’d throw them as the first ten pitches of the game, so “the hitters would wonder the rest of the game if I could throw one again.”
Homer’s fastball is hard and straight and, if he can put into the back of the hitter’s mind the idea that it might be a split, it’s just the sort of advantage that turns a line drive to left into a ground ball to short.
IMHO
perhaps your list was the exception?
I’ve never seen the research done to tell if a splitter does more harm than good for a pitcher’s career and I honestly don’t know who all throws it right now. My line of reasoning wasn’t that Clemens and Schilling disproved your point. My reasoning is that there are pitchers who stay healthy with and pitchers who don’t.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
Yeah, you're right
And Brantley claims it helped him.
Lastly, it always smelled like a correlative not causative argument to me. Craig, though, was basically run out of baseball for all his trouble. Like it was his fault Billy Swift couldn’t throw a bullpen session with getting hurt
Yeah, Driveline Mechanics did a side-by-side video comparison
between last year and this year and they claimed that there was no difference. I disagree. The changes, while quite subtle, were most certainly there. I noticed that his stride had been reduced, his arm slot was better, and his balance point seemed much more tenable. Overall, a big change. Anyone can see that his finishing point is much more calm this year (he would often leave his right leg curled in the air at the end, totally off balance), and seems to have restored the velocity on his fastball. I believe that he has made the turn, because he’s not visibly in his own head about his mechanics while on the mound. He’s a classic case of a “trust your own stuff” kind of guy, if his mechanical mind fucks are a thing of the past.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Jul 16, 2009 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Here's the link
to the comparison videos and thread.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Jul 16, 2009 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes
I think I commented at the time that he looked like he was dropping and driving better, whereas before he was leaning backwards and winging it a la Jimmy Haynes and Paul Wilson. He’s definitely staying on top of the ball better and throwing more efficiently.
by Brian B on Jul 16, 2009 2:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Where is our roster move?
Any word on what the Reds are going to do about the depleted outfield? They can not go to the second half with 4 outfielders and Jerry Hairston on the roster, especially when one is named Taveras. Is it going to be Nix/Gomes in left, Havoc in CF, and CDick in right, with Jerry filling in once in awhile to give someone a night off?
I’m really hoping our GM makes some kind of move and gets some help in here. Soon.
Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.
If they think Jerry Hairston is the 4th OF, then this is what we're stuck with for now
I’m expecting them to do something this afternoon, but I wouldn’t be shocked if they don’t.
"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san
I agree
From the way they were talking before the break, it sounds like they are going to see how we fare without another OF, no power threat, and a depleted bench until we either a) pick up a big bat in a trade (unlikely) or b) come out of the break, fall flat on our faces, and become yet another lost cause.
by wishfuldrifter on Jul 16, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
aw dont spoil bobblehead night!
seriously, if they are going to sell… i hope they wait til i dun have anymore tickets in my wallet.
I mean, they are bleachers but you can go places with tickets like that. the sky is the limit.
I don't think they have a lot to sell
so I wouldn’t worry. The worst thing that will happen to this team is that they won’t get better. I doubt they’ll do a lot to make themselves worse – outside of calling up less deserving players.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
Two things that will make me quit the Reds this year:
1) Cherry becomes the extra OF and Rosie becomes the full time SS
2) Darnell McFlurry gets called up
Just say no, Walt.
Isn't there a slanket somewhere you should be filling with your farts?
oh you know #2 is coming true... you just KNOW it.
but he’s hitting over .300 so he’s got to be all better now! right?
nope
My first thought after seeing Bruce get hurt
“Goody… McFlurry is coming back now”
Too bad we don’t have another OF or two that just tears up AAA…
by wishfuldrifter on Jul 16, 2009 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
You might as well quit now then
because we all know what the move will be later on this afternoon, McDonald up and Manuel down. In all fairness to management I would do the same thing. Dusty is going to play Tavares in center and Dickerson in right no matter who gets called up. Also, because Stubss is hitting with no power he doesnt profile as a good option at the corners right now and Heisley was just called up to AAA so I would like to see him get some more time there before getting called up.
Wait...what?
“Don’t look at Jay Bruce’s numbers. He’s good!”
Since his first 3-4 weeks up here, his offensive game has been pretty brutal. Great arm though.
Phone's ringing, Dude.
Our pitching staff is on crack alright
Dusy: Hey Dick, Homer sure has picked up some zip on his fastball, and I Ilike that new split finger too"
Dick"Yep, Skip – i taught him everything I know about pitching"
Dusty" No shit, then I guess this Skip Johnson fellow must have untaught him"
Dicxk" Who?"
One tequila, two tequila, three tequila, floor.
George Carlin
The first story is embarrassing
I realize that sometimes we start to tune out someone we’re familiar with and listen to someone who’s new to us, but this story should bring forth a dark night of the soul for a few of the fellas at the top.
Will you stop it with the vegetables
if you are talking about the split fingered pitch
i can understand why the Reds wanted him to avoid it. It does come with extra wear and tear on the arm.
Bloop
by justin007000 on Jul 16, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah
it bothers me to think our organization is so rotten in the middle that it can’t develop talent. Hopefully, that’s not true.
that's only because you bother to read for context clues
Will you stop it with the vegetables
by Man Mountain on Jul 16, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
luckily for you, they've banned it in bars
and online forums
Will you stop it with the vegetables
by Man Mountain on Jul 16, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Since the Reds haven't really had a significant pitcher throwing the split-finger pitcher
Here’s a little info from a pitching coach about some of the effects of the pitch on the pitcher. It’s just one opinion and not definitive, but it’s an interesting perspective on the pitch.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on Jul 16, 2009 11:30 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
thanks for posting
that was very interesting. Bailey, according to most commentators, tends to throw the splifinger when he is way ahead in teh count, so throwing it for a strike isn’t so important, I suppose. As for velocity, he seems to get that split pretty high up in speed as well. Perhaps that’s why it is effective? I hope it doesn’t stres out his wrist too much. Maybe by limiting his use of the pitch (in counts where he is ahead) it will limit any possible damage.
Halladay
Any chance the Reds go after Roy Halladay? Would Red fans like this. Would it be worth it to pursue with Bruce out for an extended period?
The Reds have pieces the Jays are looking for (Frazier, young pitching, a nice group of OF prospects).
Series against the Brewers should be good. No matter how good or how bad either team is, its always a good series. Brewers have been overachieving all year and Reds underachieving. What are the pitching matchups?
I'm not sure adding more pitching puts this team over the top
That’s not to say that Halladay doesn’t make this team better, but they need so much help on offense that spending prospects to get more pitching isn’t going to get it done. I don’t think they have enough prospects to get both Halladay and the hitter they need too, and I think they need the hitter much more.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
no way the Reds take on that much salary
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
salary
True with Wells (I think $20+ million/year.)
They could do it with Rios if they also move Arroyo.
The Reds don't have anybody signed past 2012
Rios is signed through 2014 and is still owed nearly $60 million. I don’t see the Reds taking on that kind of risk just to get Halladay and the $20+ million he is still owed.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
Do they have anyone signed in 2012?
I see a couple of club options, but the guaranteed years end in 2011, I believe.
Rios is scheduled to make next year what Arroyo makes this year.
Hernandez, Gonzalez, and Weathers make over $17 million.
So, they could do it, but you are right that it comes down to what value/contribution you would perceive Rios to provide, and especially in 2012-2014 when they currently have no other contracts on the books…what is the risk of having his $12 million a year on the books and not playing up to that salary?
The other question is
if you could replace 80% of Rios’s top production for $400k, is it’s worth it to spend anything on Rios?
It’s all projection, but I’d say the Reds have a better than 50/50 chance of getting someone close to Rios’s production out of the minors in the next 3 years.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
in the outfield?
Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.
I think Heisey and Frazier are both good bets to give you 80% of what Rios does
assuming both players are average corner outfielders defensively.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
I agree but do the Reds see it that way? They aren’t willing to go with Dickerson/Stubbs over Taveras.
Plus the lower salaries of a lot of free agents last offseason coupled with Rios underperforming this year, there are probably more attractive options on the free agent market should they feeled compelled to look there in the offseason.
I'm assuming that's going to happen
but since it involves a logical change in defensive alignment, it makes me nervous. I’m not sure we can expect that level of creativity from this org. They’ll probably trade Votto for Juan Pierre or something.
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jul 16, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Once Yonder arrives
He is traded for a position of need.
No, no, and no
Too expensive. They’d have to outbid the likes of the Yankees, Phillies, and Red Sox. They’re better off keeping their prospects and young pitchers.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
outfield woes
if Bruce is out 6-8 weeks put him on the 60 day. Put Stubbs or Heisley on the 40 man and bring them up. Quit dicking around with the “they need the time in AAA” theory. They will not learn anymore there than they will in the bigs if they are getting playing time.
Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.
agreed
especially since there are a few guys every year that make the jump from AA to the majors so being at AAA isn’t a prereq. to being a big leaguer.
we need some one sooner though
Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.
the road trip (and the home series against Mil.) will dictate what the front office will do. if they lose 8 of 10, i see jocketty getting rid of pieces and calling up stubbs or heisley. if they miraculously win 6, 7, 8 of 10, i see jocketty making a trade for an OF.
not trying to be a dick
but it’s HEISEY
There’s no L
Isn't there a slanket somewhere you should be filling with your farts?
I thought it was Haisley
according to Keith Olbermann, at least.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
no, an Elvis impersonator
(That’s Andy Phillips, Bubba Crosby, Scott Proctor, Brad Halsey, Dioner Navarro )
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
you are right
there is no “L” in dick. Just kidding
Thanks for pointing that out. I hate typing a name incorrectly. I always thought it had an “L” in it
Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.
I think we're in a situation where you almost have to trust the scouts though
Sometimes a hitter can be doing well simply because he knows how to exploit bad pitching. That doesn’t mean that he doesn’t have stuff to work on or glaring holes. It just means that he’s not facing very good competition.
The question is whether or not he should be put in front of that better competition or if he should be working to fix things against lesser skilled pitching.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
Is anybody listening to the scouts?
I haven’t heard anyone in charge talking about what the scouts have said about these guys.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
I get the impression that Dusty doesn't talk to the scouts
but I’m certain the Walt does based on my conversation with Nick Krall.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
FWIW
People were saying the same thing about Bruce in 2008. When I brought up that Krivsky had said that they didn’t want to bring up Bruce because he didn’t have a very good walk rate, people said that he could learn in the big leagues. I think most people would agree that one of his biggest problems right now is plate discipline. It’s getting better, but it probably would have been easier to learn in the minors. I’m not saying that Bruce should be in the minors right now. Just that clearly a little more time down there wouldn’t have hurt him too much.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
maybe he just isn't as good as some people thought
and since this franchise will never go out and get a real big time free agent they need to play the kids and hope some work out.
Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.
prospects are just that...
prospects, but jay bruce just happens to be a very young prospect that went straight to upper management when comparing to the mail clerk OF prospects we have in Louisville
he tore it up at every level in the minors.
and he produces at this level, just way too inconsistently. he’s fallen into some bad habits that need to be corrected before he turns into a 1-dimensional hitter. is that on Bruce to fix or Jacoby to identify the problem and work up a solution?
I think it's too soon to start saying that
I think the big problem is that there seemingly isn’t anybody with the big league squad that can help him improve. Ultimately it’s the player’s responsibility, but it seems to me that the big problem for Bruce is strategy as much as anything. To me, that’s a teaching issue. Perhaps it’s something that he should have learned in the minors? I don’t know, but if you don’t have teachers in the big leagues, then the last thing you should do is bring unrefined talent to the Majors.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
I think part of Bruce's issue
is that he didn’t need plate discipline in the minors. He consistently hit over .330 with an OBP over .360
He could hit anything thrown up there and didn’t need to lay off stuff, and to his credit, now that the pitching he’s facing is way better, he’s learning to lay off bad pitches. It’s gotta be a kind of long learning curve, but he IS getting it.
I know he’s been a bit pull happy, etc., and not to belabor the BABIP point, but if his BABIP was closer to where it should be, he’d be hitting .255/.340/.500 (ish) and we’d all be moaning about how the season was over because we lost one of our best hitters.
Isn't there a slanket somewhere you should be filling with your farts?
how much teaching do they really do?
you see lots of guys with no idea about basic fundamentals.
Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.
the same guys who
don’t run bases properly
take the wrong routes to balls in the outfield
consistently throw to the wrong base or miss the cut off man.
Those guys
Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.
most of them seems like
Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.
I think there is an assumption that fundamentals are easy
which is why it upsets fans so much. I think it’s a mistake to assume all players should do the “fundamental” thing during the heat of a moment. I think it’s a good goal, but really what keeps the Reds from being a good team is not a lack of fundamentals but a lack of talent.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on Jul 16, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
dont even get me started on you
if your fundamentals dont improve at fantasy camp, were trading you for another mod.
I'm starting from zero
so I’ve got nowhere to go but up!
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
but, who says they will get the playing time?
Certainly not Dusty.
by fourrunhomer on Jul 16, 2009 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
another good point
but yet he insisted on playing CoPa last year and McDonald this year
Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.
Apparently it's free coney day at Skyline in Columbus
with purchase. So, good for you.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
Rick Sweet's crew Vs Dusty Baker's
I understand that Homer picked up some tricks in texas, But didn’t he already have a winning minor leauge record before that? And why does Roasales fizzle as soon as he hits the bigs?
Do the Bats have their division pegged because they have all the prospects or because they have the management to make them do what they do.
Why in off season play are our players on fire but after dick pole and brook jacoby get ahold of them, they fall apart?
maybe cause Rosales
is a AAAA player. What about Kevin Barker, Justin Lehr, and Darnell McDonald? They tear up AAA. MLB ? Not So Much.
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Thi is off topic, sort of
but I was googling Homer Bailey (I’m bored at lunch lol). He really is a good ol’ boy isn’t he? Love the cowboy hats and numerous hunting tattoos. I just hope all that intimidates opposing batters.
My fave quote comes from a recent Louisville Metromix article. He was talking about how impressed he was with Vets because: “They can cure a horse and a cow and those f—kers can’t talk.” Maybe the Reds should save some cash and replace their medical staff with Vets? ;)
Later
we can never replace Dr Pokemwithastick
Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.
at least you can relate with bailey and bruce’s redneck phrases. cordero speaks everything but english
ummm....I think that actually is racist
by Colin Auscapee on Jul 16, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
If not racist, it's damn close to making fun of someone for speaking two languages
which I will go out on a limb and suggest 95% of posters here cannot do
You're saying only 5% of the posters could make fun of someone for speaking 2 languages?
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
sub could for would and that might be about accurate
by Colin Auscapee on Jul 16, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I might suggest Coco speaks two languages and most of us do not
Color me impressed by his ability to do that, since, despite my best efforts, I cannot
How do you propose that.
It’s the internet. For that purpose, I speak Arabic, French, Spanish, Sanskrit, and Latin (the last living person to do so! Yay for me).
In reality, I speak English and passable Redneck (with a slight finishing school accent).
cout << "hey 'tHan" << endl;
"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san
by BK on Jul 16, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
agreed
I give anyone who’s trying to speak a foreign language credit. It’s difficult. Especially if people are making fun of you.
Me, I know barely enough Spanish to read a winterball box score.
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yeah
I for one love accents. If it’s understandable, that’s fine by me. Accents give character. Look at Ricky Ricardo, would that have been half as awesome if he spoke with a Vritish recieved pronunciation? Now I’m thinking if the reverse would worl. Maybe James Bond with a Cuban accent?
wow, my typos are getting worse and I thought I was turning over a new leaf
make Vritish=British and worl=work. lol
Not to quibble
But I think he was making fun of coco for precisely not being able to speak 2 languages.
by Brian B on Jul 16, 2009 2:17 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Speaking a language with an accent means you aren't speaking it?
Wow. What a stickler for language proficiency
by timb116 on Jul 16, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
some of us can't even use one language.
but his spot on FSN is really really brutal and awkward.
Bloop
by justin007000 on Jul 17, 2009 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
new rule
Anyone making 10 million a year we can turn the blind eye to, everyone else needs to listen to their baserunning coach en anglais.
It may work
to intimidate opposing batters if he were able to wear the cowboy hat while pitching.
Is that why Dusty likes vets so much too?
by fourrunhomer on Jul 16, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
good point
maybe he could just increase the number of tattoos and pitch shirtless. Is that allowed? lol
No Roster Move today
(Hasn’t been one announced yet anyway)
Dickerson RF
Taveras CF
Votto 1B
Phillips 2B
Nix LF
Hernandez C
Encarnacion 3B
Hairston Jr. SS
Bailey P
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Bench & bullpen
without a move do they still have an 8-man bullpen?
Bench = Gomes, Hanigan, Janish, & Rosales
yeah Bullpen
Fisher, Roenicke, Manuel, Herrera, Weathers, Rhodes, Cordero, Masset
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Re: my earlier post
It looks like, for now, I won’t have to quit this team based on Rosie becoming the starting SS.
I’m just waiting for the “Reds select the contract of Darnell McHamburglar from AAA” announcement.
Isn't there a slanket somewhere you should be filling with your farts?
Oh Dusty
your 3B is a better hitter than your catcher.
by Colin Auscapee on Jul 16, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh craptacular
So both Rosales and McDonald are going to be back on the big league team?
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jul 16, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
my heart skipped a beat when i saw this one
the stupid Royals are looking for a CF. they could renegotiate a deal with Coco Crisp, who is injured, or they could trade for Willy Taveras and make my universe 10 times sexier.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jul 16, 2009 3:24 PM EDT reply actions
It is comments like these
that make me never want to get married.
by Colin Auscapee on Jul 16, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
rec'd
though my marriage is hella sexified.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jul 16, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
you're underestimating how terrible Taveras is!!!
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by JJ on Jul 16, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't even say stuff like this
They traded for Yuniesky Betancourt, so they are just dumb enough to trade for Taveras, if only Dusty would let him go.
Now you’ve gone and gotten my hopes up. DAMN YOU!
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Votto's Attitude
Anyone else notice last week against the Phillies (not sure what night) that Votto came into the dugout after striking out and slammed his bat down and shouted an “F” Bomb loud enough to hear. Then he gets ejected from the game against the Mets… I wonder if this is his medication because I can’t seem to recall Votto having much of any attitude before he was on the DL. Any thoughts on how this may effect his game good or bad?
wtf...
Who says he is on medication?
It is alright to get upset with the umps when they screw you, or upset with yourself when you fail.
by Colin Auscapee on Jul 16, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree
Sorry, should have added that it’s my theory it’s his medication (if in fact he is on any). And indeed it is ok to be upset, I just never noticed him letting it out before he was on the DL. In which case maybe he was bottling it all up and the stress from his dad dying maybe put him on the DL for stress related issues.
Again, just an observation. Anyone else notice the change in behavior?
I don't think it's related to any medication
We’ve seen some legendarily bad umpiring the last few weeks, and when it keeps happening, I’m sure Joey’s going to get frustrated. I wouldn’t worry about it.
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by BK on Jul 16, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Considering how atrociously bad the umping has been
I think he’s been surprisingly calm…
Same goes for Edwin… I mean he almost got hit in the face by a pitch which was called a strike, and he just turned around, threw up his hands, and walked back to the dugout.
I’d like to see someone just go ballistic after a call like that and show some fire for this team.
by wishfuldrifter on Jul 16, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Social Anxiety Disorder
doesn’t just “go away”
I would bet a lot of money that he is on medication.
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he doesn't have Social Anxiety Disorder
I think it’s more likely Depression than anything.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
obviously doesn't preclude medication
just trying to be more accurate in our speculative diagnoses.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
If y'all would've just read my post above
you could’ve saved yourself all of this pointless typing!
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which post above?
refresh.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
The one right above yours where I say the exact same thing as you
only 5 seconds sooner, chump!
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I didn't do shit
except for post my thought before you.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
You should just delete my post
that would complete your fascist reign of terror
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by nycredsfan on Jul 16, 2009 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's racial!
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
Hell, I don't know much about the internet either and
I think I “hot-linked” it (that’s what she said)
watch yourself
I know where you live. NYC isn’t THAT big, is it?
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
Surely you could find the only Reds fan there
Just keep wondering the streets yelling " I think I see Chad Heisy" or “There goes Southern League All Star Todd Frazier” and grab the first guy runs out with a camera, erection, and autograph book*
they all rocking Reds fitteds there
but they don’t even know what they are.
by Colin Auscapee on Jul 16, 2009 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Word
And if you’re looking for the dude with the Reds hat you’re gonna be messin with a whole bunch of tough guys who don’t give a fuck who “Chad” Heisey is. (btw is that Chris’ brother, timb?)
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by nycredsfan on Jul 16, 2009 4:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Hell, I never heard his name before a month ago
Don’t ruin my supposed cleverness with facts, dammit.
At lease I know him better than Olberman does!
Also
I was just remembering it was reported he said he was sidelined with depression and anxiety issues.
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anxiety and social anxiety are different things
anxiety is a reaction to a variety of topics. social anxiety is a reaction to social situations.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
anxiety can be driven by depression, and depression can be driven by anxiety creating a viscious cycle.
his depression and anxiety were both caused by the death of his father. Medication generally not needed in this case, because the depression and anxiety are caused by outside events, not by chemical problems. If he had just developed anxiety that was not caused by a serious life event, than medication would be necessary because that would indicate that he has a chemical problem. But now that he has dealt with the issue the anxiety and depression should lesson and go away.
Bloop
by justin007000 on Jul 17, 2009 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
those are catch all diagnoses
Leaving a physician’s office without a prescription is unusual. For “mental” disorders its rare.
I don't think he has social anxiety disorder
It was more like depression and panic attacks. I’m no doctor so maybe they’re the same thing, and depression doesn’t just “go away” either, i’m just sayin’
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they aren't exactly the same thing
but they are closely related and treated similarly
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He better be on medication
Panic attacks are not the flu. Even know this is a temporary condition for him, I doubt he’s off the meds.
But, for Ernie, the side effects of those sorts of medication are not outbursts of anger (that’s sort of what they help prevent). But the more famous side effects might make it harder for him to show the ladies on the road how he keeps swinging the wood…if you get my not-so-subtle point
I haven't seen JV act like that, but it doesn't surprise me
Everyone I work with is always surprised when I lose my temper or curse with aplomb. They just don’t see me at Reds games lol. In other words, we don’t know Votto personally, so, perhaps, we’re just seeing some of his temper he normally keeps bottled up. I’m sure, as has been suggested, the bad uimping and crap play and 22-1 loss just broke everyone’s backs. He’s got ambition and drive, it’s bound to result in some strong displays of emotion.
if anything
I’d say it’s a sign he’s returning to normal. Regaining his confidence.
While he was in the minors, he, like Homer, was rumored to have an attitude. He did admit he got ejected once a season in the minors.
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Teh Fay is saying he isn't seeing anyone new on the field
So maybe this is the team we get for a while
3 below average outfielders, a below average SS offensively and defensively, and a barely average catcher with a really good one riding the pine, but 8 arms in the bullpen!!!
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Cheer up
and listen to that song that the 1990 reds team recorded. That always cheers me up.
They’re the reds! they’re red hot!
But they're not Red Hot!
They suck. The only thing red about them is going to be their ledger after the team goes Pirates on us and everyone abandons them in favor of the Cincinnati Rockers and Cincinnati Stuff.
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jul 16, 2009 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
What the fuck are those?
Sounds like sex maneuvers.
by Colin Auscapee on Jul 16, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Is no one on this blog actually from Cincinnati??
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jul 16, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm in Cincy and I still don't know what you are talking about
by wishfuldrifter on Jul 16, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Dickerson scratched
still having back spasms…no new line-up yet.
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thankfully we have so many outfielders right now
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
Votto played LF
in the WBC, so in a pinch, he could play out there with Ramon at 1st, and Hanigan catching.
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that is a great idea
for me to poop on.
by Colin Auscapee on Jul 16, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
just great
way to not make a roster move Walt. roster management is not rocket science.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jul 16, 2009 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sheldon quotes Baker
Baker said he was walking “like Fred Sanford.”
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Gomes smacked C-dick in the Kidneys...
Its the only way he can get in the line up at the same time as Nix,
Watch Dusty put cherry in LF and Rosales at SS
Too bad jonny isn’t fast enough to catch Wily and push in down the stairs…
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George Carlin
Gomes would become my 2nd favorite player if he did that
He might even vie for a tie with Joey…
Then again… Dusty would probably still play the Virus, since we don’t have any other centerfielders that can hit the ball as well as he can
by wishfuldrifter on Jul 16, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess that means Micah is our 5th OF
tonight?
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I imagine he goes on the DL
This is 4 days now with back spasms… then again… Dusty likes playing with a short bench
by wishfuldrifter on Jul 16, 2009 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
From the Fay
The Reds will go with 13 pitchers tonight. It sounds like they make a move tomorrow.
“There are some technical things,” Dusty Baker said.
Does this mean they are making some changes to the 40-man? Or have they just just lost Rick Sweet’s phone number and can’t get a hold of McFlurry?
Jocketty says no
Stubbs is not coming up this week.
"Worst thing you can do is bring a guy here when there are certain things he is working on. I’m not going to say what they are, that’s his business. But if you bring a guy up when he’s not ready, they’ll exploit his weaknesses. It’s a lot tougher here than Triple-A. That’s the worst thing you can do for a guy’ss confidence."
even better quote
about Alex Gonzalez
—GONZO UPDATE: Alex Gonzalez is close. He could go the minors for a rehab assignment next week. He’s throwing and hitting. “It’s amazing,” Baker said. “He must have good blood. He’s a quick healer.”
Yeah the guy that missed a whole year last year…
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40-man & Sutton
I think the only AAA hitters that are already on the 40-man are Tatum & Sutton. Sutton went down July 7, so has to stay in AAA for 10 days (unless he’s replacing an injured player.)
Today is the 10th day, they could add him tomorrow.
That makes sense as well
I assume he would start playing SS every day (since we don’t have anyone on the bench that could do that…..) and Cherry would move to the OF… great
by wishfuldrifter on Jul 16, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
This seems like the most plausible scenario.
HGH JHJ- Welcome back to the outfield!
by Colin Auscapee on Jul 16, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
It sounds like McDonald is going to get called up more and more.
—JOCKETTY ON STUBBS: Walt Jocketty agrees with the Baker on rushing Drew Stubbs.
"I saw him play three games last week. I saw that All-Star Game last night. He’s getting closer. You don’t want to rush a guy. Wait till our people think he’s ready. He’s only played Triple-A three months. That’s not rushing a guy."
"Worst thing you can do is bring a guy here when there are certain things he is working on. I’m not going to say what they are, that’s his business. But if you bring a guy up when he’s not ready, they’ll exploit his weaknesses. It’s a lot tougher here than Triple-A. That’s the worst thing you can do for a guy’ss confidence."
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This is so mealymouthed
you don’t want to start the clock right? That’s right isn’t it?
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jul 16, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I would go with yes
Even if Stubbs or Heisy aren’t as polished as they could/should be. They really can’t be much worse that what we already have. Even one of them comes up, tears it up for a few weeks until the league figures him out (a la Bruce) then we can send him back to keep working, we at least get a few extra wins out of it, right?
Even if they don’t tear it up, at least we tried rather than sitting around doing nothing and waiting to lose.
by wishfuldrifter on Jul 16, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
What's with this pervasive belief that baseball players have such fragile egos?
Todd Benzinger made a good point in a BP interview that “pressure” is illusory. Paying your mortgage, getting laid off – that’s real pressure.
We’re supposed to believe Willy is going to crumble under the humiliation of being booed and put into a platoon. These minor league guys who have been playing professionally for years are going to fall apart if they come up and find that the big leagues are tough stuff.
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jul 16, 2009 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions
there have been some high profile cases of player's "falling apart" lately
but, oddly, they all seem to be fairly successful players
Will you stop it with the vegetables
by Man Mountain on Jul 16, 2009 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions
This team is about to really piss me off, aren't they?
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by BK on Jul 16, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
pissed off left town when they didn't achieve their "number one priority"
Indifference has set in and looks like it’s here to stay.
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New Lineup
Taveras, CF
Hairston, SS
Votto, 1B
Phillips, 2B
Hernandez, C
Nix, LF
Gomes, RF
Encarnacion, 3B
Bailey, P
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Well... we got more power
But Mr. Auto Out moved up a spot
by wishfuldrifter on Jul 16, 2009 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
How does Hairston go from batting no. 8 to 2?
It just seems like Dusty doesn’t really care, it’s about filling the holes
I honestly believe that he has
3 players he keeps in the same spot… everyone else just gets drawn out of a hat… T-Virus is either 1 or 2 depending on if his date with Dusty’s daughter went well or not
by wishfuldrifter on Jul 16, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
because in Dusty's world, two slim guys have to bat in front of two power guys
It’s how one constructs a line-up. Instead of just moving everyone up a spot, he had to find the next thinnest guy who can run in the line-up and bump him up.
Dusty is wise. He’s preparing for the day when MLB announces mid-game that it is possible to steal first base. Upon that announcement, the Taveras/Hairston combo would be jack-rabbiting down to first so fast, you’d forget the count was 1-2. And, then Dusty’s grand plan would finally reach its conclusion
that would be awesome if you could steal first
would make leadoff at bats very entertaining. Taveras would never swing, just wait for the slow stuff and take off
Gomes 7th? Hernandez 5th?
Is there some sort of black-light on in the front office?
Who the F is running this damn thing, Krusty the Clown?
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jul 16, 2009 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
The Reds have 4 batters with an OBP over .330
and 3 of them are batting after the top run producer in the lineup, who happens to be the 4th.
The four batters leading up to Votto all have an OBP under .302 this season. FUCK!
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
Well
Good thing we traded this guy:
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?playerId=6076
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jul 16, 2009 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
meh
his .310 OBP was as much of a culprit last season.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
As was
His half-knee we forced him to play on…
God this is bad. I’m clamoring for a .750 OPS retread. WALT!!!!!!!
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jul 16, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Awesome point.
Aren’t the Reds at some sort of retread maximum? Sort of like a salary cap for second chances?
Officially
My favorite post ever. It’s got “book title” written all over it.
Unfortunately, I’ve got a hunch the interest in a book on the ’09 Reds would be comparable to our team BARISP. Bleh.
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jul 16, 2009 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
But Votto is successful because no one is clogging up the bases
If he were batting with runners on, he’d be all distracted. See Dusty was right all along.
Off topic question
How did Jerry Hairston become known as Cherry? It’s a great nickname, I’m just interested in teh origin lol
A little girl
was reading the lineups at a game last year (or the year before or something) and instead of saying his name correctly, she said “Cherry Hudson Jr.”
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