Red Reposter - 7/13/09
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Do you remember where this team was a month-and-a-half ago?
I do. With what happened to Jay Bruce, this in particular has been running through my head all weekend. -
John Fay wants to see Chris Heisey come up to replace Jay Bruce
What would it hurt to take a look at him for 3-4 weeks? He also thinks a trade for Scott Rolen could be interesting. -
Fay may want Heisey, but Dusty seems hesitant
"Let’s not rush these guys, like we did with whole bunch of guys. If they’re going to be here, you want to play them every day. I was really impressed with Heisey in the spring. But he just got to Triple-A...Let’s let them play and tear it up for a while." -
Jon Heyman looks at some players who may be available as the deadline approaches
and mentions Bronson Arroyo and Aaron Harang. He says Arroyo seems like he's always on the block and that the Reds would really have to tailspin in order for them to consider trading Harang. -
Keith Olbermann takes a shot at Dusty Baker
However, Reds' manager Dusty Baker, sounding exactly like the kind of skippers in Atlanta who limited him to spot work for his first four years, seems totally unimpressed with the prospects of either Stubbs or Haisley [sic], dismissing their performances as just numbers. While an outfield of Nix and Gomes in left, Willy Taveras in center, and Chris Dickerson (who left today's game in New York with back spasms) may seem appealing to Dusty, it would probably assure the Reds of sinking into the basement in the NL Central. Dismissing Haisley [sic], or the more likely candidate Stubbs, just isn't rational - unless Baker is expecting the Reds to summon up a big-bat outfielder or shortstop before the trading deadline. Other than first baseman Yonder Alonso, there just aren't big-ticket trade chips in the Reds' system, and unless you're talking Matt Holliday, I don't think you're talking about trading Alonso.
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Redleg Nation Radio recaps the first half of the season
I havent listened to it yet, and honestly I probably wont. I'm kinda trying to forget the 1st half of the season now. -
Quiz of the Day: Name All The No-Hitters, 2001–Present
Name All The No-Hitters, 2001–Present
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I'll be waiting.
She’s got incense wine and candles.
I can see you're not going to agree with me, so let's move on. - Bill Maher
by PeteyHendrix on Jul 14, 2009 2:14 AM EDT up reply actions
keith olbermann's a tool
What do you mean, "blank slate"?
by boobs on Jul 13, 2009 12:17 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
he had 4-5 posts on his blog Reds related this weekend
i think he hit the nail on the head.
"I piss excellence"
Oh, so then he's a hammer.
Boobs was just overly vague – I see.
Everybody's a jerk. You. Me. This jerk.
by andromache on Jul 13, 2009 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
for realz
this halsey thing is pretty typical. he doesn’t bother to get things right before he goes on some off-note, smirky rant. i know it’s taboo for a liberal to say anything bad about him, but olbermann’s a steely, toothy tool
What do you mean, "blank slate"?
i mean he is simply the bill o'reilly of the left
they are all evil, somtimes you just happen to agree with one more than the other. And maybe it is my personal bias but I feel like Oberman and Moore and less evil than Coulter and O’Rielly.
Bloop
by justin007000 on Jul 13, 2009 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
His politics aren't really relevant here
and sure, he got the name of a minor leaguer wrong, but he’s essentially right, and Dusty’s statements are wrong. Like, say, with the rest of what he said:
Face it, Dusty, you may have to put a kid out there. Even though that never works. Joey Votto, Bruce, even Dickerson – they were just lightning strikes. Not possible for that to ever happen again in the history of baseball.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
I think you're fine saying it
He’s definitely more intelligent and better read than O’Reilly or Hannity, but, and I’m a screaming lib, the amount of times I roll my eyes at his show.
On the other hand, he’s right about the Dickerson/Taveras/Gomes/Nix OF. I think we need a trade. I will defer to our friend from NYC and just say do something and if something means calling up a basic Double A kid, well, then I loved Reggie Sanders (until the post-season of 1995), but then I loved him again afterward.
he may be right on occasion
But he’s still a tool!
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
speaking of tools
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"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
wait til you meet him
it’s all Ohio Bobcats, Adam Rosales, Micah Owings all the time.
Well, I guess you don’t really have to meet him to figure that out.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
Ohio University is a beautiful campus
I had the pleasure to drive through Athens on Saturday, I was impressed. It is what a college town should be.
Bloop
by justin007000 on Jul 13, 2009 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I cannot take your opinion seriously
your feet did not even touch the ground.
by Colin Auscapee on Jul 13, 2009 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
No, he's right. samll town, rich, and white
Looks just like a movie from 1960!
*Justin, I kid because I love.
I know what it looks like
I went there.
by Colin Auscapee on Jul 13, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
that is a coincidence and irrelevant
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on Jul 13, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I didn't read that in your bio, Colin. I stopped at high school prom
and I knew I should have soldiered on, but there were 150 pages to go and I was VERY tired. I apologize for not knowing
by timb116 on Jul 13, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I recommend you read the chapters on Martha Stewart and nightwalking in OTR.
Much of the rest is just fluff.
by Colin Auscapee on Jul 13, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
they're dead to me, bro
I’m now all about UK college basketball, pimping local burger establishments, electric fiddles, Yuengling, Manny Pacquiano, and Susan Sontag novels.
"I piss excellence"
Dusty Baker - WORST PERSON IN THE WORLD
Say what you want about his politics but the guy is a helluva baseball nerd, writing a lot about Fred Merkle and the Polo Grounds among other things.
and Chris Haisley!
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
I don't give a rat's rear about his politics
He picked Bubba Crosby as The Worst Person In the World. Putz.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
because he's a Yankees fan
He pinned the 2005 loss to the Halos on Bubba.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
If I recall correctly,
Olbermann’s mother had season tickets somewhere along the 1st base line, and Knoblauch once hit his mother in the head with one of his patented errant throws.
He sits alone...Reds are not home.
I did enjoy that post by Olbermann
Even though he’s a tool. ;-)
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Are you suggesting he's not loving a baseball player named Bubba?
by Brendanukkah on Jul 13, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Bubba Trammell voted for Bush
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 13, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
yup
the photo, and similar ones, generated a lot of incredibly rude captions in Yankee blogs.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Yeah, but just like politics he gets all self-righteouss
and he wouldn’t leave Ken Burns alone. His post on Manny and Gehrig was silly (as is any post with a bunch of moralizing over PEDs). I was willing to go with it, because MLB now has a policy and people not following it are cheating and I’m not a fan of cheating. But, then he had to bring in ARod and McGwire and all sorts of silly other stuff, allowing for a self-righteous rant against people who weren’t even breaking those rules.
From looking over his posts, he love of the game is obvious and his knowledge is fun. I did like the 40 minutes I spent reading there
Completely agree on the Manny/Gehrig post
And he sure as hell wasn’t bringing up PEDs back when he was on SportsCenter. He’s at least self-righteous and at worst a hypocrite with this stuff, just like most writers/journalists who were around back then.
I wish I could find it but there was something I read years ago where he went to the site of the old Polo Grounds and retraced some of the main events. Sounds dweeby, and it is, but also really well written.
He really is a pretty good baseball writer
A little New York centric, but that’s his interest.
It’s too bad that he’s chosen the career path he has for himself because he seems particularly ill-suited to react to events immediately. He’s much better when he has time to reflect on things past.
Will you stop it with the vegetables
by Man Mountain on Jul 13, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
this team is doomed unless Bob and Walt specifially instruct Dusty to get into the 21st century.
At least when it comes to utilizing the players that he has at his disposal.
I wouldn’t bring up Stubbs or Heisey, this is an instance where Dusty makes an excellent point. But why is Wily not in a platoon with C-Dick, why not play Gomes and Nix in LF and RF respectively/
Why keep using Weathers as the 8th inning guy…when its clear that he in need of a break…Dusty’s got Masset.
This team is doomed to 5th place unless a magic event happens and Gonzo becomes above LA in offense and defense, unless EdE goes on a a3 month tear. Unless Ryan Hanigan gets more PT, unless Aaron Harang suddenly becomes 3 years younger, etc etc etc…
John Mayberry Jr. looks like a very good prospect,,,I’d rather see him given a shot over Stubbs or Heisy…but you gotta trade for him.
summation: This team is doomed.
One tequila, two tequila, three tequila, floor.
George Carlin
Charlie, maybe you want to add this to the Reposter
Bruce is expected to miss 6-8 weeks.
That means he still might be out for most or all of the season, but at least no surgery. That’s always a good sign.
Isn't there a slanket somewhere you should be filling with your farts?
perhaps
The good thing about surgery is that he wouldn’t come back until next year. I hate wrist injuries because they always seem to linger and they kill hitters. Surgery would have given him all off-season to heal.
Don’t get me wrong, I want Bruce to come back. It’s just that…well… I hate wrist injuries because…
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
Yeah, but given the definite eventuality that the Reds are out of it by late August/early September
I doubt they’ll rush him back. Plus, I’m glad to hear that there is no ligament or tendon injury. It seems to me that that’s often what lingers on wrist stuff.
Just trying to be optimistic.
Isn't there a slanket somewhere you should be filling with your farts?
I think that IS very good news
I forget which old school Reds guy (1990’s) once said his hurt wrist made him hit the ball to right field and taught how to use the whole field. Jay’s not terrible about that, but I’d love to hear the interview where he talks about the soreness in his wrist caused him to hit more line drives than flyballs!
That's interesting
I’d like to find out who that was. This really worries me, so I’m looking for any silver lining.
im with you on this one
they surely wont be in it come September, so why would they rush him back? and i think your point about the ligaments/tendons is spot on. God i miss him already…
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jul 13, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
With a rehab in the minors, it might take all season
I hope he doesn’t try to hurry back and that wrist hurts him for the next 13 months
yeah, that's my concern
that they will rush him back so that he can rehab before the minor league season is over, though I imagine they have some sort of extended minor league program where he can work out in August and September.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
I agree
it’s great news that he probably won’t have to get surgery, but there is no reason to rush back.
Honestly
My big concern is that as diagnosers go, Dr. Kremchek is a hell of a surgeon.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
I'm with you on that one, they never seem to get that shit right
although EdE seems to have come out of it ok, (after the intial diagnosis screw up)
Don’t forget there’s always winter ball for rehabbing too, if the thought is on next season.
Isn't there a slanket somewhere you should be filling with your farts?
Won't someone please find that pic of teenage Kremchek with the poking stick
Was it Paul who posted it?
Will you stop it with the vegetables
by Man Mountain on Jul 13, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
As shitty as it has become around this ball club, it could always be worse.
We could always be Royals fans.
Here’s a question: HOW THE FUCK WAS CINCY SWEPT BY THIS TEAM?
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 13, 2009 4:39 PM EDT reply actions
Those are two pitchers. We lost 3 games.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 13, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions
and didn't face either pitcher
hence, the joke.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
Wasn't able to watch any of the series
hence the absolute outrage over the fact that we lost to those fuckers.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 13, 2009 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions
You'd be outraged if you'd have watched too
It was pretty ugly
Isn't there a slanket somewhere you should be filling with your farts?
I don't think he was going to anyway
He wasn’t hitting well enough.
And man, I hate the All-Star Break. Just when the division races are heating up…baseball interruptus. I like the way football does it better. End of the season, so fewer worries about rest or injuries. And it’s a nice way to ease into the off-season. With baseball, you have the World Series, then bam! You’re cut off, cold turkey.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
me too
I am having baseball withdrawl right now. Not just because one day is off, but because I know there will be none tomorrow!
i feel it is good for baseball though
since these guys basically play every day, unlike football, which is once a week, or basketball which is a few times a week.
Bloop
by justin007000 on Jul 13, 2009 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Am I right in presuming they're keeping Rosales up
and swapping a pitcher someone from AAA?
Why can’t they just be straight for once and admit they’re watching the clock with these guys (Heisey, Stubbs et a.)? I guess beyond being faux pas, it might imply they’re not trying to win this year. I understand it, but it’s pretty irritating. Other than a vague reference to Walt “working the phones,” I don’t see any indication they’re trying to put the best team on the field this year, just gaming things in preparation for next year.
In the early days of the device they were made of straw, sheepskin and granite... I've seen pictures of the one Babe Ruth used and while it's a step up from the devices that Ben Franklin and, say, Billy the Kid used it's still positively barbaric. And the gromits, if you can call them that, were made of corn husks. -Judge Montgomery Davies
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jul 13, 2009 5:45 PM EDT reply actions
What's stupid about that
is that unless none of the AA or AAA guys are in their plans for next year, playing them now would be the best way to prepare for then
Isn't there a slanket somewhere you should be filling with your farts?
Exactly
It seems like a fair trade – arbitration clock time for fulltime MLB experience.
In the early days of the device they were made of straw, sheepskin and granite... I've seen pictures of the one Babe Ruth used and while it's a step up from the devices that Ben Franklin and, say, Billy the Kid used it's still positively barbaric. And the gromits, if you can call them that, were made of corn husks. -Judge Montgomery Davies
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jul 13, 2009 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Also, I'm not sure I understand the concept of "rushing" guys
unless it’s a fiscal consideration. If a player represents best available option at a position and has a good chance of factoring into your future starting 9, you play him if he can play regularly. Both Stubbs and Heisey fit the bill.
The real stumbling block here is Willy Taveras. Take him out of the equation and you can have your pick of either player. In the case of Stubbs, he takes CF, with Dickerson, Gomes and Nix dividing corner OF duties. Call up Heisey and he can play fulltime in RF, Dickerson in CF and Nix-Gomes in LF.
I’m in favor of trying to acquire a bat NOW and having those efforts carry over into the offseason. So if this team could swing a trade for a corner OF before the deadline, then deal or DFA Nix, call up Stubbs and platoon Gomes-Dickerson.
So, uh, just another thing we can blame on the Dusty-Willy Axis.
In the early days of the device they were made of straw, sheepskin and granite... I've seen pictures of the one Babe Ruth used and while it's a step up from the devices that Ben Franklin and, say, Billy the Kid used it's still positively barbaric. And the gromits, if you can call them that, were made of corn husks. -Judge Montgomery Davies
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jul 13, 2009 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I think "rushing" applies in some cases
Melky Cabrera was called up from AAA by the Yankees and wasn’t ready. He screwed up spectacularly, and it affected him so badly that he crashed all way back to AA.
And that burned option came back to bite the Yankees. They’d have liked to send him to AAA this year, but couldn’t, because he’s out of options.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
They were finta send him to AAA?
Does not the Melk-man deliver? Is that not the Melky Way?
What can I rely on in this topsy-turvy world?
by Colin Auscapee on Jul 13, 2009 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I think that somebody somewhere rushed a guy named Wily Mo.
But that was his agent’s fault.
I can see you're not going to agree with me, so let's move on. - Bill Maher
by PeteyHendrix on Jul 14, 2009 2:23 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm about done with this team this year.......
I love my Reds, but I don’t like Dusty, and I think management isn’t being very proactive.
1. Fire Dusty – he’s an idiot, plain and simple.
2. DFA Tavares – he’s terrible, plain and simple.
3. With Bruce and Tavares out, bring up Heisey and Stubbs and let’s see what they got.
I’m tired of this bullcrap about rushing guys. Beckham is up with the White Sox already and learning in the big leagues. Votto did just fine. Bailey needed a good amount of starts, and Bruce isn’t quite working out as well as hoped. So Dusty looks only at Bruce and decides we shouldn’t rush guys? Brilliant! What about Votto? Would Bailey be coming around if he hadn’t pitched 18 previous starts in the majors? Doubtful. Learning on the job is the best training. But ole Dusty likes those wiley old veterans, and preferably washed up ones like Patterson and Tavares. Sa-weet! BRILLIANT!!!!!
Idiot.
Dear Lord, enough of this already
Dusty does the 90% of managing that counts. A COMPUTER can fill out a line up card, but it takes a manager to get 25+ guys on the same page. After all, Joe Torre’s poor strategy, massive doghouse, and inability to manage a bullpen does not stop him from winning. Dusty is in a difficult place. Management signed Taveras and assured Dusty he could hit. Dusty believes he is slumping. He ain’t working himself out of a slump by sitting.
Meanwhile, he has a terrible, miserable offense (27th in runs scored) and the only player with a decent OBA who is not named Votto is the back-up catcher. He has no left fielder, no SS, and no 3B (thanks to injuries). None of his players, except Dickerson and Votto, have exceeded expectations. In sum, it is not his fault he wasn’t given an offense. His weird line ups exacerbate the problem, but there isn’t a solution on the team. They are the 15th/16th offense in the NL and that’s not Dusty’s fault nor is completely Taveras’s.
Some here argue the solution is outside the organization and others feel the solution is inside it. The one thing that is true is that firing Dusty helps nothing. It won’t make the team win and it might actually hurt.
Oh, and about Votto: he was drafted in 2002! That’s five years before he was major league ready (and that was a September call up). Calling up guys too early starts their arbitration clocks, stunts their growth, and limits their time to learn. Additionally, bringing up Heisey or Stubbs means creating room on the 40 man roster, which means they lose a player or place someone on the 60 day DL, which they don’t want to do to Jay, because they want him back
uh huh
Dusty does the 90% of managing that counts
That’s problem number one.
Management signed Taveras and assured Dusty he could hit. Dusty believes he is slumping. He ain’t working himself out of a slump by sitting.
Dusty made it clear last year that he wasn’t managing “his guys”. One can only assume that bringing in Taveras was largely endorsed by Dusty. Also, believing that Taveras is “just slumping” doesn’t make me too confident in Dusty.
Meanwhile, he has a terrible, miserable offense (27th in runs scored)
His offense is terrible, yet he refuses to do anything about it and play the players that would be more productive.
None of his players, except Dickerson and Votto, have exceeded expectations.
I think Weathers, Rhodes, Hannigan, Cordero, and Owings would have something to say about that.
His weird line ups exacerbate the problem, but there isn’t a solution on the team. They are the 15th/16th offense in the NL and that’s not Dusty’s fault nor is completely Taveras’s
It isn’t completely their faults, but it doesn’t help that Dusty puts no emphasis on OBP, and continues to bat players with ridiculously low OBP’s at the top of the order.
The one thing that is true is that firing Dusty helps nothing. It won’t make the team win and it might actually hurt.
What could it hurt?
Additionally, bringing up Heisey or Stubbs means creating room on the 40 man roster, which means they lose a player or place someone on the 60 day DL, which they don’t want to do to Jay, because they want him back
Easy fix…DFA Taveras, Gonzales, and/or Lincoln.
Made from 100% Recycled Awesome,
Votto was drafted as an 18 year-old Canadian
Those guys need extra time and development in the minors. It’s not a good comparison to look at Joey and someone like Drew Stubbs, who came from a big collegiate program and was a more polished amateur when drafted.
Also: He ain’t working himself out of a slump by sitting.
What if he needs a mental break? Or isn’t completely healthy?
The of you seem to think that by defending Dusty
I am endorsing his decisions. I am not. For instance, I never thought Taveras could hit, but Walt and Dusty did.
Couple of other bullet points:
You can’t DFA people on the DL.
I think Weathers, Rhodes, Hannigan, Cordero, and Owings would have something to say about that.
Really? We talk offense and you mention Weathers, Cordero and Owings (and what part of his 5.00+ ERA is exceeding anything?). Hannigan is the back up catcher. You are seriously telling me that the back-up catcher is the key to the offense?
As Slyde has alluded to, a manager is responsible for about three wins at most.
You’re gonna replace Dusty with…..and this blank will immediately improve the club? Unless he can hit, then I doubt it
you can't make a real decision on Dusty
without factoring in his ridiculous use of the pitching staff.
And his insane substitutions.
I don’t think the club will be good this year regardless of who’s managing it. I do, however, think that we’d be better off next season with Valentine or LaRussa (esp. if he brings Duncan) than Dusty.
Made from 100% Recycled Awesome,
Recently the Reds have the best bullpen ERA in the league
with such established studs as Danny R and Nick Masset and using Arthur Rhodes as a set up man, instead of as a LOOGY. I think the pitching staff is the ONE area he has excelled
finally, 'than, a convert
Now, as one of my disciples, I’ll expect you to sally forth from these pages and extol the virtues of ME.
I knew I’d win one someday.
As a point in your favor, if the Reds could get LaRussa, I’d chip in for his cab rides home!
I do agree that the "blame Dusty first" crowd gets carried away
Players really do like to play for Dusty, which is a definite strength though hard to quantify. While he does single out players in the media, I think it’s consistently from a fundamentals perspective – expecting MLB players to not to make basic lapses while assuming in good faith that everyone’s doing their best. There’s certainly value to that philosophy.
But you can’t deny he’s failed to maximize his resources. Everyone knows this offense is terrible, but there’s no excuse to put a cumulative sub-.300 OBP in front of Votto in the lineup. Joey’s been consistently hitting behind the likes of Taveras, Gonzalez, Hairston, Rosales and the pitcher’s spot. That’s been his biggest blunder in my perspective. If you’ve been saddled with inferior talent, you have to be flexible. Put players in a position to succeed. Taveras “ain’t working himself out of a slump by sitting” and he isn’t doing it by playing either. The major leagues are not a venue for players figuring shit out. Look at Taveras’ career numbers, think about his bad hamstring, look at his numbers this year and there’s no way you can rationally conclude he should be a regular starting lead-off man in CF.
I didn’t run the numbers, but I’m sure firing Dusty is a wash – or even a loss – in terms of wins gained with a replacement manager vs. salary owed to him under contract. I take solace that his bedside manner has probably helped morale and kept things interesting in the first half. This doesn’t mean I can’t be upset with the myriad lineup, matchup and tactical miscues he continues to make. I agree that the anger is probably better-directed at the architect of the team and the players actually have boots on the ground.
In the early days of the device they were made of straw, sheepskin and granite... I've seen pictures of the one Babe Ruth used and while it's a step up from the devices that Ben Franklin and, say, Billy the Kid used it's still positively barbaric. And the gromits, if you can call them that, were made of corn husks. -Judge Montgomery Davies
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jul 14, 2009 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I remember thinking Votto was a very late call up.
I think he felt that way too his entire 2007 season.
You can’t argue he’s been a success.
I’d hate to imagine Stubbs and Heisey in AAA until Sept 2010!
I guess it could happen, although both guys are 24, so it’s time to move.

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