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Game 87 Thread: Reds at Mets

Cincinnati Reds at New York Mets, Jul 12, 2009 1:10 PM EDT



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Cincinnati Reds
@ New York Mets

Sunday, Jul 12, 2009, 1:10 PM EDT
Citi Field

Aaron Harang vs Mike Pelfrey

Partly cloudy. Game time temperature around 75.

 

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W-L ERA WHIP K BB
2009 - Aaron Harang 5-8 3.89 1.39 95 26



W-L ERA WHIP K BB
2009 - Mike Pelfrey 6-4 4.52 1.52 47 34


Aaron Harang hasn't gotten credit for a win since May and I think I know why.  His last win came on May 25th against Houston.  If that game doesn't stick out for you, let me refresh your memory.  That was the game that Harang came out after a 2 hour rain delay and finished the 5th inning so that he could get credit for the win.  It worked that day, but when you deal with the devil, it will always bite you in the ass later on.  Since that day, the Reds have gone 4-4 in Harang's starts, but Harang has only gotten the decision in the losses.  I have little doubt that if he had just sacrificed the win in that Houston game, he would have gone 8-0 in the rest of the games.  That's just how mystical beasts work.

The Reds faced Mike Pelfrey back in the second game of the year and jumped out for 4 runs in the first inning off of him, including Joey Votto's first home run of the season.  They failed to score another run in next 4 innings he pitched, while the Mets took the lead and gave Pelfrey the victory in a game that finished with a 9-7 score.  Pelfrey's never been a big strikeout pitcher and when he's going good he doesn't walk too many either.  The thing he does really well though is keep the ball in the ballpark.  Of course, it helps that he pitches in the cavernous Citi Field.

As the FanPost put up by Caleb suggests, the Reds are probably just going to bring someone up for Sunday's game and then figure out what needs to happen on the roster during the break to fill in for Jay Bruce.  I suspect we'll see Adam Rosales since Jerry Hairston Jr. can play the outfield if needed.  No idea what the longer term solution is for the outfield right now.  My initial guess is that we'll see Darnell McDonald filling out the bench with Chris Dickerson, Laynce Nix, and Jonny Gomes getting the majority of the playing time in the corner outfield spots.  Obviously, that doesn't really improve the offense a whole lot.  I'm just not sure they'd bring up Drew Stubbs or Chris Heisey without playing them everyday, and I could see Dusty Baker preferring to play the other three guys more.  That's just a guess at this point though.

It's an afternoon ballgame and then a 3-day break for the All Star game.  Then a whole new season starts on Thursday, right?  Please?

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Drew Sutton?

The Reds have four OFers even without Bruce, which is as many as some teams carry. And that’s not counting Cherry.

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by BubbaFan on Jul 12, 2009 11:12 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It's Rosales...

so says teh Fya.

Oh, and the lineup is:

Chris Dickerson 9
Willy Taveras 8
Joey Votto 3
Brandon Phillips 4
Laynce Nix 7
Ramon Hernandez 2
Edwin Encarnacion 5
Jerry Hairston 6
Aaron Harang 1

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by Gray on Jul 12, 2009 11:31 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

holy crap

It also says Bruce may be lost for the season.

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by BubbaFan on Jul 12, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

For what it's worth

I think Rosales is the best short-term roster filler, but I hope that it’s Stubbs or Heisey after the break.

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by Gray on Jul 12, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i concur

its kind of a bummer for whomever gets called up for only one game. plus its a day game in NYC on getaway day…they wont even get to spend their per diem on the Manhattan nightlife.

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by obc2 on Jul 12, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

*&^%$

I had no idea. Bummer.

I remember being a tad disappointed when I learned what the acronym stood for. RIP CBGB. OMFUG, indeed.

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by obc2 on Jul 12, 2009 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

nah

i had thought it was something a little more Punkish.

i saw me some bluegrass just last night, in fact. ash can testify! nothing finer than sipping an ice cold Yuengling, listen to some fiddle and staring at Kate Gosslein.

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by obc2 on Jul 12, 2009 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I kind of hated how CBGB shirts became Hot Topic shorthand for "punk"

I would say easily 90% of the kids wearing it had no idea what it stood for. But really, what’s more punk then taking over some crappy venue meant for radically different purposes, be it Americana music or a VFW hall, and playing shitty music to 35 of the town’s snot-breathers?

God, that’s awesome.

by Brendanukkah on Jul 12, 2009 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd rather have Sutton than Rosales

We have enough outfielders. And Rosy is kinda sucking right now. Batting .222 in July and .250 in June. In AAA. Plus his defense is suspect. If we have to carry someone who can barely hit his weight, I’d rather it be someone who’s a defensive upgrade at least.

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by BubbaFan on Jul 12, 2009 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But Rosales has already come up.

I assume that the idea is to figure out whether Bruce is going on the 60 day DL, which they’ll know by tomorrow.

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by Gray on Jul 12, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know Rosales has already come up

I’m just saying I’d rather have Sutton. Sutton’s option has been burned for this year, too.

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by BubbaFan on Jul 12, 2009 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, right, I forget that Sutton's come up, too.

I assume this is because Rosales has been playing well recently. Since that’s such a useful metric and all…

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by Gray on Jul 12, 2009 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

but he hasn't

Like I said, Rosy’s been stinking it up in Louisville. What does .222 in AAA translate to on the big league level?

I think the reason they went with him is because he can play OF in a pinch. But we already have 4-1/2 OFers. And I seriously doubt Rosy’s going to see much playing time in the outfield.

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by BubbaFan on Jul 12, 2009 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, relatively well.

Over their last ten games, Rosales is hitting .242 with 6 walks, a double, and a HR. Sutton is hitting .200 with 5 walks, four doubles, and a HR. Clearly, Rosales is the better player.

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by Gray on Jul 12, 2009 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

crystal clearly

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by obc2 on Jul 12, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

not unless you're looking for a DH

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by BubbaFan on Jul 12, 2009 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i had better start seeing dickerson play at least four out of the normal six games per week now … he has more than earned his chance to play full time.

"I never use a big word when a diminutive one will work." — Pete Mackanin.

by joshuar9476 on Jul 12, 2009 11:44 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hot off the presses

Nice recap in the Enquirer this morning about the Reds first half. Except for the second paragraph:

The Reds have hovered around the .500 mark the entire first half of the season. In fact, They were exactly .500 (40-41 ) at the mathematical halfway point.

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by obc2 on Jul 12, 2009 12:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh, and...

Apparently, nobody on the Reds staff is capable of talking to any of the coaches in Louisville.

The Reds will likely add player right after the break. They have 13 pitchers right now. But it might not be Drew Stubbs or Chris Heisey.

"This Stubbs’ first (full) year in Triple-A. He’s doing pretty good. What is hitting .280? What does that equate to here? He’s still trying to figure out his stroke.

"Let’s not rush these guys, like we did with whole bunch of guys. If they’re going to be here, you want to play them everyday. I was really impressed with Heisey in the spring. But he just got to Triple-A.

"I’ve seen guys have a good two weeks or a month. (Adam Rosales) was hitting .390 when he got here. Last year, Jay Bruce was hitting .400. Let’s let them play and tear it up for a while."

"Just because we’re in need . . . Let’s let these kids play and develop. All we see is batting average. We don’t see the total game. There’s base-running, throwing, getting sign, fundamental stuff."

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by Gray on Jul 12, 2009 12:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

my fab part of that

Is the whole " what does .280 in AAA equate to here? Ummmmm, probably better than Taveras’ .236 or whatever. That deal is looking terrible now because he’s going to keep blocking better prospects, and there’s no way they release a guy with another year on his contract.

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by nycredsfan on Jul 12, 2009 12:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

*meant fav, stupid iPhone

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by nycredsfan on Jul 12, 2009 12:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Yep.

And just like with Patterson, the injury to Bruce is going to be the excuse for why Taveras will start everyday from here on out.

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by Gray on Jul 12, 2009 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can understand the not wanting to rush these guys

If a player’s not actually ready, don’t bring him up just because there is a need. I’d rather sacrifice a guy who is not part of the future than bring a guy up and have it stunt his development.

But yeah, that last sentence is just plain stupid.

"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty

by Slyde on Jul 12, 2009 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

well, there

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by obc2 on Jul 12, 2009 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

well, there's getting sign...

ya know?

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by obc2 on Jul 12, 2009 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know someone

who gives great sign.

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by Gray on Jul 12, 2009 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

True, but

Stubbs has about a full year at aaa at this point and it’s not like he’s 22 years old.

Dusty’s comments have me bracing for McFlurry after the break.

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by nycredsfan on Jul 12, 2009 12:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

I'm thinking

that maybe Jocketty will make a move and trade for someone before the deadline. If he’s serious about winning this year, which I’m not sure he is.

I have doubts about Heisey and Stubbs; I am not sure calling them up is the right thing to do, for reasons I expounded upon at length in yesterday’s game thread.

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by BubbaFan on Jul 12, 2009 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also...

I realize that this team has no creativity whatsoever, but would now be a horrible time to try Votto in LF, Ramon at 1B, and Hanigan catching?

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by Gray on Jul 12, 2009 12:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

yes

because Ramon is an woeful 1B.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Jul 12, 2009 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like it.

Gets Hanigan into the lineup, gets Joey some experience in left, if in fact that’s the plan for the future.

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by Ash on Jul 12, 2009 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I only like it if Joey likes it

best player on the team gets to decide where he wants to play. That’s my rule.

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by Slyde on Jul 12, 2009 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Joey doesn't like it

He’s made it clear he wants to play at 1B, not in LF. Or RF.

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by BubbaFan on Jul 12, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

citation?

I know he has said that he doesn’t see the reason for it at this point, but I don’t think he’s ever said that he doesn’t want to do it.

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by Slyde on Jul 12, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can't find the link

Gawd, the only thing you can find now if you Google “Joey Votto” is stuff about his “stress.”

But it was an interview from last year, or maybe this past off-season. He said he didn’t want to move to left field because he preferred consistency. And something about if they wanted him to play other positions, they should have had him do it more often in the minors.

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by BubbaFan on Jul 12, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Crap.

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by Ash on Jul 12, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i said this when votto was scheduled to come back .... i love this idea

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by joshuar9476 on Jul 12, 2009 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Piecoro said earlier that if the Reds are going to compete in the 2nd half

then Harang needs to turn his season around. Gawd I hate W-L record for pitchers.

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by Slyde on Jul 12, 2009 12:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

time to hit the batting cages aaron

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by joshuar9476 on Jul 12, 2009 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He should probably pitch every other day, too.

Gotta build up that arm, boy, no more 4 days of rest for you, Aaron.

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by Ash on Jul 12, 2009 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

well

I think he was just trying to segue to talking about Harang – he had been previously talking about the Reds first half. He just chose an odd way to do it.

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by Slyde on Jul 12, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He did a poor just for a guy who segues for a living.

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by Ash on Jul 12, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's amazing how lazy reporters are

That was the theme at the beginning of the year, so it must still be true

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by nycredsfan on Jul 12, 2009 12:44 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Hey, any Ausgustana fans here?

I got to go see them live yesterday- Amazing show- they came out into the audience at the end and did this whole sing-along deal- I was like right there, they were shaking hands with everybody and everything… It was pretty awesome.

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by crolfer on Jul 12, 2009 12:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Did you see them Boston?

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by Slyde on Jul 12, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They did Boston... But the front man told us the song was called "Columbia"

since that’s where the show was at…

He kind of resembled Wolverine to be honest…

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by crolfer on Jul 12, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

sorry, i tried to make a joke about seeing them in Boston

not only was it a shitty joke, but it was poorly executed.

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by Slyde on Jul 12, 2009 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah, I sorta figured that, but hey- it works

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by crolfer on Jul 12, 2009 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

wow

FSO poll – “Who has been the best pitcher in the first half for the Reds?”
The results: 1. Cueto 2. Owings(???) 3. Harang 4. Arroyo
Common Reds fans! Don’t be that guy!

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by Slyde on Jul 12, 2009 12:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

2

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by obc2 on Jul 12, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who has the most wins?

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by Gray on Jul 12, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that's what I mean

clearly Arroyo should be #1

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by Slyde on Jul 12, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

#5. Mike Lincoln.

These polls should be like those multiple choice questions on tests where you can eliminate one answer right away because it’s so absurd.

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by Ash on Jul 12, 2009 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

#6 . Rhodes .... money

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by joshuar9476 on Jul 12, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Incidentally, ERA+ for these guys:

1. 129
2. 90
3. 114
4. 83

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by Gray on Jul 12, 2009 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

cool

their OPS+ are:

1. -11
2. 114
3. -6
4. 3

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by obc2 on Jul 12, 2009 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

FIPs:

Harang – 4.01
Cueto – 4.36
Owings – 5.46
Arroyo – 5.68

by Charlie Scrabbles on Jul 12, 2009 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

One point is that

Owings was by no means an outlier in that group of four, since by any measure I’ve seen, Arroyo has been worse overall.

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by Gray on Jul 12, 2009 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

agree'd

Owings has been about what we expected this year. i like that.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Jul 12, 2009 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

When a new comment is posted

why does the screen go directly to the top heading?

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by xjjeep90 on Jul 12, 2009 12:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It shouldn't. Try refreshing.

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by Ash on Jul 12, 2009 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That doesn't happen for me

you must be a witch.

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by Slyde on Jul 12, 2009 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

burn the witch!

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by joshuar9476 on Jul 12, 2009 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ok

it is working now…werid

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by xjjeep90 on Jul 12, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

but now it's causing typos!

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by Slyde on Jul 12, 2009 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol ... i say fay's responsible

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by joshuar9476 on Jul 12, 2009 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dusty

on Jay:

“Im not thinking worse, because worse things can happen”

Huh?

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by obc2 on Jul 12, 2009 1:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

"I never use a big word when a diminutive one will work." — Pete Mackanin.

by joshuar9476 on Jul 12, 2009 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dusty is a half-empty kind of guy

He’s said in the past that no matter how bad things are, they can always get worse.

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by BubbaFan on Jul 12, 2009 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Midyear review, courtesy of Jason Stark

entire article

The Janish Quip Book
Being the magnanimous guy he is, Janish was cool enough to review his pitching exploits with Half-Year in Review.

Janish
• On roaring into the books alongside Johnny Lindell: “You know, records are made to be broken. And I’m definitely breaking records. They’re just the wrong damn records.”

• On his picturesque delivery (as a former college closer): “Yeah, it’s smooth, all right. But apparently, 88-89 [mph] on a string is not going to work.”

• On his ERA (45.00 after his first outing, 49.50 after his second): “When I came in there, I figured, well, the good thing is, at least I’ll bring my ERA down. It started at 45.00, so it would be tough to go up — but I found a way.”

• On whether he thought he could now pitch 31 straight shutout innings and get his ERA down into the 3.00s: “I think I’m out of luck. … What I really need to do is talk to my agent to see if we can bring this up in arbitration: multi-faceted player.”

• On his proudest achievement as a pitcher: “Well, I did get a standing O in Philly. And not many visiting players can say that.”

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by obc2 on Jul 12, 2009 1:12 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

I heart Janish

Definitely my favorite Red.

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by BubbaFan on Jul 12, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Willleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Better send this mofo, im tired of him clogging the basis.

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by obc2 on Jul 12, 2009 1:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

When did Willy last steal a base?

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by Gray on Jul 12, 2009 1:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

July 4th

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by Slyde on Jul 12, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice pitch.

Strikes out Joey.

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by Gray on Jul 12, 2009 1:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It's a good thing Taveras didn't steal second.

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by Gray on Jul 12, 2009 1:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

double steal?

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by xjjeep90 on Jul 12, 2009 1:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yes

Run, dammit! Entertain me.

by ken on Jul 12, 2009 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

as a kid

i remember sitting on the edge of my seat waiting for stolen base attempts. since this season is now officially im major doubt i fully support all forms of Havoc.

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by obc2 on Jul 12, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

There's little doubt about this season.

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by Gray on Jul 12, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That was ball 4 to Nix

Dude can’t buy a walk

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by nycredsfan on Jul 12, 2009 1:23 PM EDT via mobile reply actions   0 recs

even when Taveras gets a hit

i just feel angry at him. this is not healthy.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Jul 12, 2009 1:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Nice backup job by Ramon...

or he’d be on second.

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by Gray on Jul 12, 2009 1:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

FUCK YOU WILLY

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by Gray on Jul 12, 2009 1:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

horrible

he overran the damn thing

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by obc2 on Jul 12, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He seems to grossly misplay balls quite a lot

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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jul 12, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

When do we get to see good defense from Willy Taveras?

I’m waiting.

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by Slyde on Jul 12, 2009 1:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

keep waiting

he’s a minus defender. he takes poor routes to the ball and doesnt have good instincts.

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by obc2 on Jul 12, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dickerson

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by obc2 on Jul 12, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's not our centerfielder.

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by Gray on Jul 12, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

OMG Willy Taveras is the worst CF I have ever seen

Hadn’t anyone seen this guy play before we signed him? Fuck you, Walt and Dusty.

by Brian B on Jul 12, 2009 1:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ugh

Common, Willy. You can’t run looking back like that.

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by BubbaFan on Jul 12, 2009 1:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

FTH Willy?

Stubbs would have made that catch

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by nycredsfan on Jul 12, 2009 1:30 PM EDT via mobile reply actions   0 recs

And then he'd be out for the rest of the season

after running into the wall.

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by Gray on Jul 12, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Why can't Willy be more like Freel?

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by Slyde on Jul 12, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually that's a great point

They might be the one team that would be dumb enough to take him

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by nycredsfan on Jul 12, 2009 1:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Taveras

i just feel angry at him.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Jul 12, 2009 1:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I feel so much more angst towards him than I did patterson

Because of the money and years this stupid team gave him

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by nycredsfan on Jul 12, 2009 1:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

patterson only sucked at the dish

he was a plus centerfielder

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by obc2 on Jul 12, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good point

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by nycredsfan on Jul 12, 2009 1:41 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

yep

at least they sent Patterson down to AAA and admitted the mistake. it didnt take, but at least it happened.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Jul 12, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I see we are doing the usual Har- pitcher routine.

And that we’re doing the usual “let the only good player on their team beat us” routine.

by jsl413 on Jul 12, 2009 1:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Dickerson will probably get blamed for it

Isn't there a slanket somewhere you should be filling with your farts?

by nycredsfan on Jul 12, 2009 1:32 PM EDT via mobile reply actions   1 recs

Nine times out of ten

Dickerson would have had that.

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by Gray on Jul 12, 2009 1:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

pete rose

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by 'tHan on Jul 12, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ales

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porters

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stouts

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bocks

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by 'tHan on Jul 12, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lagers

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by Gray on Jul 12, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rosales

I got to go down to the stadium and whip batteries at the players on both teams. - Philly Boy Roy

by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jul 12, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can't believe the only two components of Taveras' game

I was sure he would add value have been underwhelming at best. He’s been poor at tracking down balls in the outfield and has 5 less SBs than David Wright.

I got to go down to the stadium and whip batteries at the players on both teams. - Philly Boy Roy

by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jul 12, 2009 1:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

In fairness, I thought Willy looked decent in the outfield before June

The hamstring may be bothering him still. Kremchek’s dirt can take a while to work its magic.

by ken on Jul 12, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

A good hamstring doesn't help your judgement on fly balls

He takes bad routes.

There’s no part of his game that’s positive.

I got to go down to the stadium and whip batteries at the players on both teams. - Philly Boy Roy

by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jul 12, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

I was marveling last night about how he jams himself on pitches right down the middle of the plate.

by Brian B on Jul 12, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

runs scored bs Pythag

if the Reds scored 22 more runs vs the Phillies they’d have one more win.

"I piss excellence"

by obc2 on Jul 12, 2009 1:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Pythag only works over a long period...

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by Gray on Jul 12, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

and I still think that the way she said it, it’s impossible for him not to take it personally. Even though he’s been one of the bright spots.

Let me write out a formal proof for you.

by Gray on Jul 12, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

no

"I piss excellence"

by obc2 on Jul 12, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here is the funny

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by 'tHan on Jul 12, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

whoa

Is that for real?

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by BubbaFan on Jul 12, 2009 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

apparently so

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by 'tHan on Jul 12, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He unfriended her last night

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by 'tHan on Jul 12, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I get that...

I’m talking about the fact that he accepted in the first place.

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by Gray on Jul 12, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i know

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by 'tHan on Jul 12, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

slumpbuster'd

"I piss excellence"

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rec'd

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by 'tHan on Jul 12, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

A who wears shirts like that

needs all the friends he can get. ;-)

I would guess that he didn’t remember that she was the one who said he’d never be more than a fourth OFer…

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by BubbaFan on Jul 12, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Boom!

I love Facebook.

"Sir, can you please put your pants back on?"

by Ash on Jul 12, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Whopper Sacrifice!

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by 'tHan on Jul 12, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

what?

Is he still going after her?

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by BubbaFan on Jul 12, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

not exactly

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by 'tHan on Jul 12, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I really don't want to hear these guys BS about NYC

based on the several afternoons they’ve spent in it.

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by Gray on Jul 12, 2009 1:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Can't tell you how common that is

I’ve lived here 5 years and I barely feel like I know it, and I talk to so many people who’ve been here 3 times and think they are experts

Isn't there a slanket somewhere you should be filling with your farts?

by nycredsfan on Jul 12, 2009 1:44 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Of course.

If the only parts you’ve seen are Times Square, Central Park, and whatever you could see from the Gray Line bus, then STFU.

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by Gray on Jul 12, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've never been to NYC

I think it’s a shitty town

"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty

by Slyde on Jul 12, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

at least you have an educated opinion

Isn't there a slanket somewhere you should be filling with your farts?

by nycredsfan on Jul 12, 2009 1:48 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Experience is overrated

sometimes you just know things.

"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty

by Slyde on Jul 12, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

female intuition

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by 'tHan on Jul 12, 2009 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

it's scary

I hear everybody there gets robbed, raped, or murdered. Sometimes all at once.

"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty

by Slyde on Jul 12, 2009 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I heard some guy got killed in New York and they never found who did it

But you wouldn’t know anything about that, would you, Sax?

by Brendanukkah on Jul 12, 2009 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you are Donte Stallworth

you’d only have to spend 24 days in jail for that.

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by xjjeep90 on Jul 12, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

As a matter of fact

I am am Donte Stallworth.

"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty

by Slyde on Jul 12, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the big story this weekend

A woman who disappeared while cleaning an office building on Wall St. Security cameras everywhere, but they didn’t show her leaving.

They found her body on Saturday, stuffed in an air-conditioning vent. The air-conditioning was turned off Friday afternoon with the end of the work week. It had been acting as a refrigerator for the body. Once it was off, they found the body by smell.

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by BubbaFan on Jul 12, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not any more.

She’s totally fired after that.

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by Gray on Jul 12, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the sad thing is

She was planning to quit. Because of the creepy elevator operator who wouldn’t stop hitting on her. She didn’t feel safe, so had given notice.

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by BubbaFan on Jul 12, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you can make it there

you can make it anywhere. If you can’t make it there, you end up in an air conditioning vent.

"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty

by Slyde on Jul 12, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you take 3 of your top 4 offensive players and put them on the DL, this team looks really different

If the one not on the DL is Joey, do you think anyone would notice on the Reds?

"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty

by Slyde on Jul 12, 2009 1:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If you took out

taveras, ramon, hairston, EdE, and Bruce ( too soon) i’d argue that a creative front office could put a better team on the field than we currently have

Isn't there a slanket somewhere you should be filling with your farts?

by nycredsfan on Jul 12, 2009 1:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

the problem is not that the team does not have the talent to contend (they dont, but that's not the problem)

the problem is that the talent already on the team (Dickerson, Hanigan, etc) is not being maximized. that is 100% on Dusty’s head.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Jul 12, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, part of that is that the big signings are blocking those guys

I don’t get the feeling that Dusty is the only guy around here who doesn’t understand sunk costs.

Let me write out a formal proof for you.

by Gray on Jul 12, 2009 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

no

but he’s the only one of us that NEEDS to understand that in order to do his job successfully. that is what he’s paid to do.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Jul 12, 2009 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The problem is admitting a mistake

From a job performance perspective, it looks bad for Walt if you bench a guy 1/4 into his contract. It will most likely still look bad if you keep playing him, but there’s that chance that he bounces back and you look like a genius.

by ken on Jul 12, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

win,

That’s the tricky part.

by ken on Jul 12, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i dont know

it’s probably easier to win with the best players playing. it’s not a guarantee, but come on. that should be an easy decision.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Jul 12, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Seriously, the question is

Do the Reds need a blockbuster trade?

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by Gray on Jul 12, 2009 1:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

They need to give the manager a frontal lobotomy

lobotomy

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by xjjeep90 on Jul 12, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not again!

I got to go down to the stadium and whip batteries at the players on both teams. - Philly Boy Roy

by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jul 12, 2009 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

if they mean "trade rosters with the Yankees"

then yes, i’d be for it

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by 'tHan on Jul 12, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think they mean trading Independence Day

for Pearl Harbor.

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by Gray on Jul 12, 2009 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why do you hate Jerry Bruckheimer?

Nay, why do you hate AMERICA?

"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty

by Slyde on Jul 12, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

America!

FUCK YEAH!

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by Gray on Jul 12, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

In case you didn't read the interview a couple of weeks ago

Michael Bay is pretty much responsible for the careers of Ben Affleck and WIll Smith

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by 'tHan on Jul 12, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But then I wouldn't be able to get into a game for $5

(and then sneak into the $45 seats.)

"Sir, can you please put your pants back on?"

by Ash on Jul 12, 2009 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i'm sure you'd find a way

you’re crafty

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by 'tHan on Jul 12, 2009 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually, no. The Reverse.

"Sir, can you please put your pants back on?"

by Ash on Jul 12, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Winnar!

"Sir, can you please put your pants back on?"

by Ash on Jul 12, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You would in the early 90's

/Tell us again about the rabbits!

by Brendanukkah on Jul 12, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If they could somehow secure a reliable power bat or SS prospect for longer than just his year

otherwise, just clear some salary whatever way you can

I got to go down to the stadium and whip batteries at the players on both teams. - Philly Boy Roy

by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jul 12, 2009 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The paved Shea Stadium, put up a parking lot

ooooh…whop whop.

BTW, when I did the interview with SNY.TV the other day, their phone number came up as Shea Stadium. I had them verify for me that they weren’t ghosts.

"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty

by Slyde on Jul 12, 2009 1:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Are you typing with one hand today or something?

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by Gray on Jul 12, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

no

wh do ou ask?

"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty

by Slyde on Jul 12, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I liked how they showed the parking lot

and chris said “it’s not telling who all is buried under there”

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by 'tHan on Jul 12, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm glad to see the game isn't getting any attention

It’s certainly not deserving of any

I got to go down to the stadium and whip batteries at the players on both teams. - Philly Boy Roy

by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jul 12, 2009 1:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

was on a delivery during fay's visit to the radio booth

unless they can steal a trade or sign a huge name, i don’t really have a problem with continuing with an OF of nix/gomes in LF, willy in CF, and dickerson in RF. but if they do this then keep cdick in the leadoff and call up stubbs to play two games a week.

"I never use a big word when a diminutive one will work." — Pete Mackanin.

by joshuar9476 on Jul 12, 2009 1:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

ha

ha

People Don't Kill People. Burning Couches Kill People.

by crolfer on Jul 12, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What could go wrong?

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by Gray on Jul 12, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

only if it's as the laundry boy

Isn't there a slanket somewhere you should be filling with your farts?

by nycredsfan on Jul 12, 2009 2:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

hells no

"I never use a big word when a diminutive one will work." — Pete Mackanin.

by joshuar9476 on Jul 12, 2009 2:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

to the post above

"I never use a big word when a diminutive one will work." — Pete Mackanin.

by joshuar9476 on Jul 12, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yep

on Willy’s ball.

"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty

by Slyde on Jul 12, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I believe it was a trap

before I see the replay.

"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty

by Slyde on Jul 12, 2009 2:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree.

Let me write out a formal proof for you.

by Gray on Jul 12, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Taveras just stood around and watched Dickerson go for that one.

Again: FUCK YOU, WILLY.

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by Gray on Jul 12, 2009 2:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

t virus on a roll ...

"I never use a big word when a diminutive one will work." — Pete Mackanin.

by joshuar9476 on Jul 12, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, crap.

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by Gray on Jul 12, 2009 2:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

So.....who else is playing today?

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by xjjeep90 on Jul 12, 2009 2:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

"Taveras missed the cutoff man"

you don’t say

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by 'tHan on Jul 12, 2009 2:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Our CF is playing RF

Willy you are a worthless baseball player. Calling the ball yet making no indication you are going to make an effort to

I got to go down to the stadium and whip batteries at the players on both teams. - Philly Boy Roy

by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jul 12, 2009 2:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I can't say this enough.

FUCK YOU, WILLY!

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by Gray on Jul 12, 2009 2:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Why?

Those guys will always be passed over by proven veterans like Corey Patterson and Willy Taveras.

by Brian B on Jul 12, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

$1 beer night, that's why.

"Sir, can you please put your pants back on?"

by Ash on Jul 12, 2009 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Fine line between hustle and stupidity"

Brilliant.

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by xjjeep90 on Jul 12, 2009 2:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

rosales knows the difference

and taveras stupidity just cost the Reds a run

"I piss excellence"

by obc2 on Jul 12, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thank God, it went to right.

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by Gray on Jul 12, 2009 2:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Okay, I'm not glad that one went to right.

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by Gray on Jul 12, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ralph Kiner just said

" terrible play by the center fielder" bad when an 84 year old knows more about our team than our manager or GM

Isn't there a slanket somewhere you should be filling with your farts?

by nycredsfan on Jul 12, 2009 2:05 PM EDT via mobile reply actions   0 recs

see ya later folks

im gonna go the grocery store. this is just too much right now.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Jul 12, 2009 2:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Taveras has just personally screwed Harang today.

Let me write out a formal proof for you.

by Gray on Jul 12, 2009 2:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I want him to take a crowbar to Willy's car

THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU FUCK A TEAMMATE IN THE ASS!

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by Gray on Jul 12, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lebowskifest kicked off this weekend!

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by 'tHan on Jul 12, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

New threads

this one isn’t doing us any good.

http://www.redreporter.com/2009/7/12/946766/game-87-thread-2

"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty

by Slyde on Jul 12, 2009 2:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

unreal

The Mets suck. They really, really suck. How did they score 4 runs before the end of the 3rd?

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