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Red Reposter - 7/10/09

by Charlie Scrabbles on Jul 10, 2009 11:23 AM EDT in News Comment 81 comments

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I get really irked with the way Dusty chooses to call out his players
"This club here (the Phillies), you can’t give them any extra outs or make mistakes," Baker said. "You’ve got to play perfect baseball. They’ve got a lineup that’s unbelievable -- speed and power at the top, power in the middle. (Dickerson) was spectating and not backing up. When that ball’s hit out there, everybody’s got to move. Roenicke was late getting to the bag. That cost us three runs."

What about the way Taveras grossly misplayed the ball off the wall? He did the same thing a few days ago if I remember it correctly and Carlos Ruiz got a triple out of it. I have never heard Dusty say anything to single out the singularly awful way that Taveras has played baseball these past 3 months.

I'm ok with calling out Roenicke on that non-cover. I understand that Dickerson should have been backing up on the play. But Taveras misplayed the ball too. And what about Hernandez' passed ball? And the way the entire offense has been sucking hind tit outside of Joey Votto and Brandon Phillips? It seems to me that Dusty has his favorites and he will never say a word to disparage them. Same thing happened with Corey Patterson last year. Do you remember a time when Dusty said anything bad about him?
Jay Bruce had the whole day off yesterday to clear his head
"It's learning, especially since never in my life have I struggled with anything and in the long run it is going to help me," Bruce added. "From time to time, it's ugly. But it is all about making adjustments and learning what it takes to be successful. I'm still very confident in my ability."
The Fay chimes in on the Garrett Atkins rumor
Seems like the Rockies called the Reds to see if they were interested him. Fay sites two reasons why they arent: a) Atkins is owed $3.4 million for the rest of the year; b) he plays first or third. He also says the Reds have the depth in the bullpen to deal a reliever, but Nick Masset isnt that guy.
The Toronto Sun says the Reds have talked about Scott Rolen
who is significantly better than trashcan Garrett Atkins. Rolen would be an upgrade over Edwin Encarncion at 3B, but would come at a significant cost. He makes $11 mil this year and next. You would have to think that any deal to get Rolen would likely include EdE and prospects. Walt had Rolen on his champion Cardinals team back in '06.
Bow down to our new robot overlords!
We're not far from being able to track everything that happens on a baseball field. Now the real issue is, what matters and what doesn't? (watch the video on the lower left side of the page to get a demonstration)
Doug at RML continues his look at Reds rookie pitchers with Pitch F/X
today is Matty Maloney. He has excellent control of that changeup.
Baseball America lists their top 25 prospects at the season's midway point
and Yonder Alonso comes in at #15, even though he's missed significant time to injury. I like this.
As has been said a few times around here, Kip Wells signed to a minor league deal and is with Louisville
the Reds just made it official yesterday. This could be a precursor to trading a bullpen arm. My list of most-likely to be traded relievers: David Weathers or Josh Roenicke.
Chad at RLN thinks Corey Patterson would be a better alternative to Willy Taveras
man, I have a headache.
Beyond the Box Score was featured in the Wall Street Journal
That's pretty cool.

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Toronto is supposedly in a cash crunch

Which is Halladay, Rolen, and anyone else is available. If we’re willing to take on the salary I’d offer EdE and a C prospect for Rolen. If they can do significantly better with somebody like Milwaukee, let them.

by ken on Jul 10, 2009 11:44 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I'd take Rolen, if he's healthy

but that shoulder injury seems to pop up all of the time.

"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty

by Slyde on Jul 10, 2009 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

i think it would take more than a C prospect

but im with you. I’d offer something like EdE, Juan Francisco, and maybe a C arm like Jukich or LeCure. Big Bob should not be afraid to take on a few mil in this market. all that banana coin should be burning a hole in his pocket.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Jul 10, 2009 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hopefully Bob got in early on organic bananas

Rolen is worth more than EdE plus a C prospect, I just sense that Toronto is desperate to unload salary and that buyers will be few in the BubbaFan economy. Rolen’s also got the trick shoulder Slyde mentioned and a spotty history with managers, though in his defense they were Bowa and TLR. We’ll see. Teams like Milwaukee, Minnesota or maybe the White Sox really could use the upgrade at 3B.

by ken on Jul 10, 2009 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

yeah

I’m not sure I’d deplete our 3B depth for him either. If they’re trading EdE, then I’m holding on to Francisco. Rolen is not young or particularly healthy. Todd Frazier has played 4 games at 3B this year. Not that he can’t do it, but we tend to think of him as a 3B. I’m not sure the Reds agree with that assessment.

"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty

by Slyde on Jul 10, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Duh

Rosales is there to man the hot corner if the Reds move EE.

"We're going to Adonis, son"

jch24

by obc2 on Jul 10, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

weird. You hate EdE for hitting .170 and you love Rosales for hitting .140

Strange. Must be the hustle

by timb116 on Jul 10, 2009 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

And the socks.

"Sir, can you please put your pants back on?"

by Ash on Jul 10, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

and less throwing errors

"We're going to Adonis, son"

jch24

by obc2 on Jul 10, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

but more fielding errors

Check out any defensive stat, Rosales was not exactly good

by timb116 on Jul 10, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

are you serious?

"We're going to Adonis, son"

jch24

by obc2 on Jul 10, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Now I can't tell if you're being obtuse

or making a clever pun based on areuserious.

by Brendanukkah on Jul 10, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

i'm way clever, hombre

"We're going to Adonis, son"

jch24

by obc2 on Jul 10, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I love how Rosales would manage to hang other players with errors he earned

he did it to both Hairston and Phillips at second base when he was kicking around a ball and making a last-instant throw while they were getting their legs taken out from under them, and somehow it was their fault, because they “could have” caught the ball.

Seriously, no position player will play on any major league roster this year (McFlurry included) that is as bad at the game of baseball as Adam Rosales is.

by Colin Auscapee on Jul 10, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

He's 26 and maybe he will improve?

I need to check my disdain for him, because (obc not included) it is absurdly linked to hatred I feel for most of the Reds casual fan base, who tend to be white, think all colored players and Adam Dunn are lazy, and think Pete Rose, the most over-rated baseball player in my memory, is a god and archetype.

By the way, that’s an incredibly broad brush, but I don’t care if some paint gets on the innocents. Dunn should be patrolling left field (okay, patrolling is probably too strong) and lending his talents to making this team score runs. Instead, he got run out of town by people who know so little about baseball, they still think Chris Sabo was a better ballplayer than Eric Davis.

This concludes my rant and why I need not to blame Adam Rosales because his “Fay blog” fans are morons.

by timb116 on Jul 10, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Go back and look at Rose's bb-ref page

He was an elite player with incredible defensive versatility. Unless people think he’s the equivalent of a Wilie Mays, I don’t think he’s overrated. You can argue that the hits record is overrated because he hung on forever but even that is questionable.

by ken on Jul 11, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't think they'd take EdE and E.N.D.

They’re basically the same player, except Francisco hits more homers and strikes out more.

"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san

by BK on Jul 10, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

fair point

so just substitute another prospect on the level of END. Dorn?

by Charlie Scrabbles on Jul 10, 2009 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

After EdE's contract expires

you could let him go and let Francisco take over. If all goes well you’d get 7 1/2 years of cost-controlled 3B.

by ken on Jul 10, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Charlie, you are right on

when it comes to Dusty and calling out guys. That shit drives me up a fucking wall.

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 10, 2009 11:48 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I agree

but if he’s going to call out players, I’d like to see him call out Willy too for that play. He fucked that up more than Dickerson did. The fact that he babies his overpriced sucky veterans and throws his rookies into the fire is completely backwards, isn’t it?

"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san

by BK on Jul 10, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't think it's a veteran/rookie thing

I think it’s a starter/bench thing. Dusty’s loyal to his starters to a fault.

"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty

by Slyde on Jul 10, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

You are absolutly right about this

This is why Dusty does not belong in Cinci. He does not manage non-stars very well.

by RampantRedsFan on Jul 10, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think there's a difference

Between someone misplaying a ball or not hitting well, and something like not backing up or not covering 1B.

People make mistakes, and if they misread a ball, well, that happens and there’s not much they can do about it. They tried and failed, and I will never throw someone under the bus for that. But there’s no excuse for not backing up or not covering 1B. A mistake like that is because they weren’t even trying.

As for calling people out in public…in some cases, it’s unavoidable. If it was a boneheaded error, the manager kind of has to address it. I also think that for some players, it’s the only way to get through to them, short of benching them. (Not that I think Roenicke or Dickerson are in the category.)

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Jul 10, 2009 12:18 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs

i get the distinction

and i agree. but Willy misplayed 2 balls just in this series playing them too close to the wall like that. why did Dusty not say anything about that?

by Charlie Scrabbles on Jul 10, 2009 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't think there's any point in a situation like that

He must have thought he could get them before they hit the wall. It’s not his home field. Mistakes like that happen.

Dusty DID call out starter BP for blowing off that “take” sign in mid-June, and rightly so.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Jul 10, 2009 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yes, but during last night's game (secon inning I think) C-Dick caught a ball

that prevented Philly from advancing runners. On that play, Willy gave no attention to Dickerson and nearly fucked up the play. If C-Dick is getting called out for not backing up a play than Willy should be called out for not paying attention to what the fuck is happening around him. That was Dickerson’s ball from the get-go — C-Dick called it and waved his hands — and Willy still didn’t back off until it was almost too late. You’ve played for three MLB teams, know what the fuck is going on.

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 10, 2009 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

no way

Dickerson caught the ball. Kind of silly to be calling out players for something that didn’t happen.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Jul 10, 2009 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Nope. That's 3 fuck ups by Willy in one series. He should have backed off.

Dickerson has the better arm and the better angle. Plus, Willy didn’t even look until way late. This CF should get everyball argument is garbage when the center fielder doesn’t have the arm.

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 10, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

maybe he should have

But in this case, the coaches should speak to him, not call him out to the press. Nothing happened. So nobody cares, least of all the press.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Jul 10, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

The CF is the captain of the OF. Dickerson should catch that ball

because he has a better arm and that’s why Willy pulled off at the last second. Nonetheless, EVERY ball the CF can catch, he’s supposed to call

by timb116 on Jul 10, 2009 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Not when he's coming from a bad angle and had no chance of a play at the plate.

And Dickerson was in much better position.

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 10, 2009 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

yes

I think in practice, that also means the corner OFers have to watch out for the CFer, not the other way around.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Jul 10, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Rec'd for being dead on. Taveras=physical mistake

Dickerson/Roenicke = mental errors.

Either do the sucky parts of your job or sell a ticket to a fan to stand in your spot for the best view in the park

by timb116 on Jul 10, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

FTR my fan post was beforet his reposter :D

by jsl413 on Jul 10, 2009 12:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

yeah sorry i kinda preempted you there

i had been working on it for about an hour on and off and i didnt see your FanPost before i published. thanks though. i think the FanPosts and FanShots are the perfect forum for trade speculation like that. the Reposter is a once-a-day thing and cant be up-to-the-minute. so in short, good work!

by Charlie Scrabbles on Jul 10, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't know what to think about Rolen

He’s clearly an offensive and defensive upgrade over what EdE has put out over the course of this season, but he’s not going to hit for very much power and I think once EdE gets up to speed he can out OPS Rolen and has 30HR potential.

If the Reds are actually serious about competing this year, you couple this move with acquiring a power bat in LF – in such a way that maximizes the return on Encarnacion. Then you still need a SS. I like the Orlando Cabrera idea, but it would be nice if we could clear some salary and get a decent SS prospect who could hold down the position during the 2010-2015 “Dynasty Years.”

I got to go down to the stadium and whip batteries at the players on both teams. - Philly Boy Roy

by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jul 10, 2009 12:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I agree about Rolen -

He’s well above his career averages for the season (except in slugging), which leads me to believe that either he’s finally healthy for the first time in a while, or he’s going to regress in the second half. Or both. … Old and expensive. Move along.

"Sir, can you please put your pants back on?"

by Ash on Jul 10, 2009 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

better than young, cheap and sucky(EE)

"We're going to Adonis, son"

jch24

by obc2 on Jul 10, 2009 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

You must dislike home runs and triples and walks and hit by pitches.

It seems you would prefer tapouts to the pitcher (Rosuckes)

by Colin Auscapee on Jul 10, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

You don't seem to understand that I'm merely passing on Rolen.

"Sir, can you please put your pants back on?"

by Ash on Jul 10, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

For all you optimists out there

who think this team’s future is close at hand with minor leaguers, that BA list must be an eye opener. 50 players and only one Red mentioned.

After reading it, however, I think the Commissioner should break up the Rays. Geez, every third player was a Tampa Bay product

by timb116 on Jul 10, 2009 1:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

"All they ever do is watch baseball games."

-Marge Schott on why she cut half of the club’s scouting department to save cost.

I still don’t think the franchise has recovered.

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 10, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm willing to blame anything and everyhting on former ownership

but I’d blame Uncle Carl more than Aunt Marge. Carl refused to pay for draft picks (hi, Jeremy Sowers) and refused to improve the scouting. Since him, the multiple changes to GM’s and scouting directors didn’t help. But still, for years, Linder refused to allow the Reds to sign and draft talent which might be “hard to sign.”

by timb116 on Jul 10, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I wouldnt worry to much about BA top 50

they have a pretty big bias towards former #1 picks- which is why Alonso comes in at #18.
The Reds had 3 big breakout years in Z. Stewart, T. Wood and Heisey and you could also add Cozart to the list. Frazer and Stubbs have been solid.
Only big disappointments has been Franciso because it looks like he is more fitted for a DH role
and Soto although he is still very young- but his star has just dimmed a little.
But for a system that has moved significant young talent to the majors the last couple years- the top 10 list for the organization is extremely impressive.

by davidmac84 on Jul 10, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Stewart just missed the final list

He’s mentioned in the comments because he was originally listed, then removed. I am surprised Frazier didn’t make the cut.

by ken on Jul 10, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I am not complaining about the overall system

just cautioning folks against thinking help is around the corner. It is not. Meanwhile, the system and the GM produced in the last three years; Volquez, Cueto, Bailey, Roenicke, EdE, BP, Votto, Dickerson, Hannigan and a bunch of other replacement lever players. I remember the Bowden era and how I felt hope for Brett Tomko. The system has done its job recently. It’s time for Walt to do his

by timb116 on Jul 10, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I still think you underestimate the value of a B prospect

According to Sickels, the Reds had 8 B- or better prospects in the system. Six of them are in AA or higher. Only Neftali Soto and Chris Valaika aren’t having particularly good years, though Valaika is batting .317/.358/.444 since coming back from injury. Meanwhile, Frazier, Stubbs, and Alonso before he got hurt are all doing what you’d expect. Add in the breakout season by Heisey, who will surely be in the B category this winter, and the Reds have a lot of depth that is expected to put together several good years in the Majors. Sure, some of them will end up being replacement level, but others could be mid-level stars too.

I wouldn’t write off the Reds because they only have 1 player in the top 50. Hell, even if it was evenly distributed, 10 teams still would only have 1 player in the top 50. Besides, go back and look at some of the past top 50 lists. Plenty of those players bust while others not on the list become something special.

"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty

by Slyde on Jul 10, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

So, you too side with

the "just because no one else likes our prospects they could be average MLBers in two to three years and that means losing this year and the next is worth it?*

Fans ALWAYS over-value their own prospects. I have a Yankee fan friend who will still tell you how good D’Angelo Jimenez is gonna be

*Certainly a vast over-statement of what you said

by timb116 on Jul 10, 2009 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

depth is the key

and any objective analysist will tell you the Reds have dramatically improved the depth of their minor league talent in the last 5 years. And that trend continued this year with major breakout years from Stewart, Wood, Heisley and strong improvement from Cozart.
Is anyone player in the system a lock to be even an average MLB starter-no. But if you drew up a list you could easily have Chris Valaika has now the being 10th best prospect in the system- so the depth talent in the minor leagues is extremely encouraging.
Also fans often overlook the value of a cost-controlled average MLB starter. 2-3 of these type of players are extremely valuable. And really I dont remember fans being that excited by the Reds minor league system. Maybe one or two players in the system but the common perception which was correct is that the Reds short-changed their minor league system under Bowden.

by davidmac84 on Jul 10, 2009 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

No, I side with John Sickels

who says that the Reds have a decent set of upper-level (AA and AAA) prospects who grade out to be potential every day Major Leaguers. I fully realize that these guys are not superstars and some of them are going to fizzle out. What I believe to be true though is that the Reds have enough depth that some of these players will develop into starters in the big leagues. Maybe not 10 of them, but they don’t need 10. The really just need one or two to be successful at this point.

And just because fans overvalue their own prospects does not make Baseball America right. There are definitely flaws in both evaluation systems. Just go back and look at their top 100 lists. These rankings are not a science by any means and they are wrong nearly as much as they are right.

"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty

by Slyde on Jul 10, 2009 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

but im more often right than wrong

"I piss excellence"

by obc2 on Jul 10, 2009 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

no

you just only point out when you are right.

"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty

by Slyde on Jul 10, 2009 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs

(Fastest rec in the history of the world.)

"Sir, can you please put your pants back on?"

by Ash on Jul 10, 2009 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I want that to go green, like, yesterday.

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Jul 10, 2009 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

that was wrong, sir

"I piss excellence"

by obc2 on Jul 11, 2009 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

while the Reds system doesnt have many grade-A blue chippers (Yonder is really the only one)

they are still really deep in legitimate B-type guys. Frazier, Stubbs, Stewart, Valaika, Cozart, and Heisey all look like solid average major league regulars and are at AA or AAA. it is really valuable when you can fill out your roster with cheap average talent and pay big bucks to 2 or 3 legit all-stars. that’s a good team.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Jul 10, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Charlie, they are YEARS away from producing at an MLB level

by timb116 on Jul 10, 2009 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

years? really?

all of the guys i listed have at the very least a half season of successful AA ball under their belts. 2011 seems like a reasonable timetable to me. is a year-and-a-half too long?

by Charlie Scrabbles on Jul 10, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

If they don't get hurt

if they continue to progress, if, if if if. Counting on minor leaguers is the trick this organization has been playing on me for ten years. I won’t do it any more

by timb116 on Jul 10, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

youve been counting on prospects for the last ten years?

no wonder youre so crazy :)

by Charlie Scrabbles on Jul 10, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

True that

This organization has been counting on old veterans from the scrap heap for the last ten years because they’ve had ZERO real prospects.

Isn't there a slanket somewhere you should be filling with your farts?

by nycredsfan on Jul 10, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well, that's one reason

I actually began following the team in ‘87 (when I was 17) and, as such, was spoiled by a rare period of success (starting in 86, they finished second in the division three times, won it in ’90, were wonderfully competitive throughout the middle 90’s and, of course, pitched Steve Parris in elimination game! So, I wasn’t privy to the suckage that many Reds fans were.

I have been waiting patiently for success and I’m not prepared to weight for the debuts of four rookies and their .600 OPS’s in 2011 (with assurances that soon those will be 800 OPS’s)

by timb116 on Jul 10, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Who has a .600 OPS from that list?

Other than Valaika, who has been turning it up lately, those guys all have really solid OPS

Isn't there a slanket somewhere you should be filling with your farts?

by nycredsfan on Jul 10, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I meant their rookie year

Not too many players enjoy instant success in the majors

by timb116 on Jul 10, 2009 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

agreed but

its also nice to see there’s only one cardinal, one brewer, and no cubs on that same list..

"Turns Out Craig Counsell Was Actually Best Baseball Player Of Steroid Era"
-The Onion 2/13/09

by RedinWrigleyville on Jul 10, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Devil's advocate

Let’s say the Reds do decide to move EE….what exactly do you think the return would be for him?

Is there a demand?

"We're going to Adonis, son"

jch24

by obc2 on Jul 10, 2009 2:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

EE has no value

its more like the Reds would be forcing another team to take the contract.

by davidmac84 on Jul 10, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

You might be right

unless he goes on a tear for the next 2 and a half wks. He won’t be a FA next year so some time might see him as a buy low candidate. I think he could be packaged in a deal for a SS prospect? That’s what I’d like to see.

If the team is being consistent, they let EdE get his hacks in for the rest of the season. They gave Rosales plenty of leeway.

I got to go down to the stadium and whip batteries at the players on both teams. - Philly Boy Roy

by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jul 10, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think you just keep EE

start him 2010- usually he is a league aver 3rd basemen.
I would move Frazer back to 3rd and he could take over the position 2011.
If EE has a strong 2010- you could consider resigning him or let him walk and pick up a draft pick.
If you move him it would be a Rolen type deal where the Reds are taking on the greater salary.
Rolen would work well also- if the Reds want to spend some more money.

by davidmac84 on Jul 10, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Except Frazier will most certainly be ready before 2011.

He might be close to ready now. They need to promote him asap and get him ready for next year. The question is at what position?

Isn't there a slanket somewhere you should be filling with your farts?

by nycredsfan on Jul 10, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I take issue with "certainly"

but that’s just because I’m annoying

by timb116 on Jul 10, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

That's why I said "most certainly"

Other than injury, there’s no reason to believe he won’t be ready.

He’s an advanced hitter with a mature approach, he gets on base, hits for average, doesn’t strike out too much, the only thing that’s been down this year is power.

Isn't there a slanket somewhere you should be filling with your farts?

by nycredsfan on Jul 10, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sure there is

It took Votto six years to be an MLB regular. Now, you’re counting on linear progression from a 23 year old?

I hope you’re right, but counting on Chad Mottola and Brandon Larson and Drew Henson has not been productive

by timb116 on Jul 10, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

areuserious

I like to see the guy at the bottom get a real good chance..It does not matter how much you earn that makes you hit the ball. It is Hard to get to the Majors and it is even harder to Stay!!! It really is sad that baseball has changed hands so much that they really have forgot what the game is about.. Until they get that back, I think alot of people are going to stay away and away..

by areuserious on Jul 10, 2009 2:58 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs