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Red Reposter - 6/30/09

  • Paul Daugherty wants the Reds to be "bold"
    "The Reds chances of trading for Matt Holliday are slim and none, and slim just left for the church festival. That’s assuming Cincinnati would be interested in paying the price for the big-hitting outfielder (dubious) and that the New York Mets would not be. That’s borderline insanity. Holliday would cost the Reds precious prospects and some $7 million in salary for the rest of the year. The chances of him remaining a Red next year wouldn’t be good. There aren’t a lot of reasons even to contemplate it. Except this one: It’s a bold move. Without boldness, the Reds will never catch the Cubs, Cards and Brewers."

    So Doc wants the Reds to be "bold". So who should they go for? Hernando De Soto? Vasco De Gama? Francisco Pizarro? Spaceman Spiff?

  • The Fay talked with Walt Jocketty about the DeRosa situation
    He says the Reds were willing take on the remainder of DeRosa's salary (somewhere north of 3 mil) so that should give us an idea of where they are regarding payroll flexibility. Fay thinks Matt Holliday is too expensive money-wise, not to mention the prospects.

  • Hall o' Famer Hal gives us update from Dusty
    regarding the return of Edwin Encarnacion. "Hopefully we’ll have Edwin back in the next week to 10 days," Baker said. "Slowly but surely we’re getting things back together, hanging in there until we can make our run."

  • Bronson Arroyo is contemplating having surgery on his right arm in the off-season
    to fix his nagging carpal-tunnel syndrome. Though it doesnt effect his pitching much, he confesses he isnt at 100%. "Every little thing you do with your fingers, it feels like it’s irritating itself," Arroyo said. "I haven’t been like I was in spring training. The cortisone shot (just before the season started) definitely helped, but I’m past that point now. I’m just trying to maintain it the way I am."

  • Doug at RML has an updated list of the Reds' '09 draftees who have signed contracts
    The biggest one so far is 2nd round pick Billy Hamilton who has been playing pretty well so far over the first few games in the Gulf Coast Rookie League.

  • Here's a cute little fluff piece about Daniel Ray Herrera from MLB.com
    "Despite his 5-foot-6 frame, Herrera is anything but intimidated." I hate these kinds of things. Why are sports writers always surprised to hear that short ballplayers arent intimidated (or if they arent really surprised, why is this device always employed when writing about short ballplayers)? This isnt Bloodsport or Thunderdome or, hell, even football, where being the biggest SOB in the fight is mostly to your advantage. This is baseball.

  • Dave Cameron at FanGraphs gives his 2 cents on the Ian Snell situation in Pittsburgh
    If you hadnt heard, the Pirates are pretty well fed up with Snell. They signed him to an extension last offseason for something like 8 mil (3 mil this year and 4.25 next) and he hasnt performed to their liking. GM Neil Huntington said yesterday that the whole thing was a "mistake". Snell has apparently had some attitude problems too. The Pirates just sent him down to AAA.

    So it looks as though Snell is not long for Pittsburgh, whether he is traded or released. Cameron thinks Snell could be a real nice find for whoever is willing to take him. At this point, the Pirates would probably be really happy to just get out from under the money, so they probably wouldnt ask for much in return. Snell's FIP this season is an averagish 4.56, meaning his 5.36 ERA is due to a bit of hard luck. He also struck out 17 in his first start down in AAA after the demotion. He looks like the ideal candidate for a change of scenery. Though pitching is an area of strength for the Reds now, this is the kind of deal good teams make. I want him.

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Well done sir

"Don't let the brain interfere with the heart" -- Albert Einstein

by jch24 on Jun 30, 2009 12:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Also, I agree on Snell

You can NEVER have too much pitching.

NEVER.

NEVER. :)

"Don't let the brain interfere with the heart" -- Albert Einstein

by jch24 on Jun 30, 2009 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd like to get him...

But it doesn’t seem at all possible. I don’t see the Pirates trading within their division, and I don’t see us being able to compete with the money he’d get offered by someone who would be hurting more for a starter. Our only hope would be that he wants revenge against his former team and we could get him to sign.

I once defended the managerial styles of Jerry Narron after a Reds loss in a bar after a long night of drinking. I wish I could say that I don't remember doing that.

by chazerize on Jun 30, 2009 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Me too

He just struck out something like 17 guys in his AAA game.

Also, it’s depressing that the front office isn’t willing to pony up 3M. Hopefully they’ll make sure that they sign all draftees they expected to sign.

by ken on Jun 30, 2009 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Edwin

I thought we were looking to get him back for the Diamondback series? Does he really need to be in AAA that long?

"Don't let the brain interfere with the heart" -- Albert Einstein

by jch24 on Jun 30, 2009 12:19 PM EDT reply actions  

absolutely

he’s not ripe yet.

once he starts overthrowing the first baseman we’ll know he’s ready for GABP.

"We're going to Adonis, son"

jch24

by obc2 on Jun 30, 2009 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's getting it done down there

I’m not sure what they’re waiting for.

"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san

by BK on Jun 30, 2009 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

he needs a few days instruction from rosales

*Uniform etiquette 101
*Hustle 201: The Subtle Art of Sprinting After Homering

"We're going to Adonis, son"

jch24

by obc2 on Jun 30, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

They think he needs like, another spring training

It’s not as if all those walks and home runs could help the big club anyway, right?

"I lay my head on the railroad tracks, and wait for the double E"- Warren Zevon

by Colin Auscapee on Jun 30, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

All walks do is clog the bases

Home runs are rally killers… everyone knows that…

Know if he can sac bunt we can talk

by wishfuldrifter on Jun 30, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Welcome George Grande to Red Reporter

I must say I like your voice, but your dead ball era strategizing annoys me. Any idea when you might demand less pointless bunting than say a Meatloaf song?*

*Paradise by the Dashboard Lights" closely adheres to my love life, except as the runner slides into home plate, the fielder throws the ball to first to retire the batter and the inning ends. As I shake my head in disbelief a nice late 80’s college girl smiles and says “better luck next time. Why don’t we just be friends? You know who I really like? Your friend over there….” After that it gets hazy and painful.

Still, the point remains, the only human being to demand more and dumber bunts than the Welsh/Grande/Baker “brain” trust is Meatloaf (although I loved him in Fight Club).

by timb116 on Jun 30, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

This morning on Sportscenter, Buster Olney was talking about the Reds

He said that teams around the league expect them to make a move for an OF bat. He mentioned Holliday, Dye, and Willingham as possibilities. But, he did say the price for Holliday was probably too expensive for Walt.

by D-Rock on Jun 30, 2009 12:46 PM EDT reply actions  

thats the word out of cincy

some additional payroll is ok, but not much.

if that’s the case we’re going to waste Arroyo/Harang this season and they might as well be dealt for prospects aas the ballclub plans for contending in 2k ten.

Edinson, Cueto, Owings, Homer and Maloney. I could actually live with that if Bronson and Aaron brought back some targeted prospects.

"We're going to Adonis, son"

jch24

by obc2 on Jun 30, 2009 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jeff Suppan and Bill Hall are on the market

sort of

"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty

by Slyde on Jun 30, 2009 1:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Wait, so they're willing to pay $3 million more

but they’ve been nickel and diming on stupid shit all season like not putting players on the DL and calling up replacements?

I don’t get it.

Let me write out a formal proof for you.

by Gray on Jun 30, 2009 1:21 PM EDT reply actions  

EDE

not in the lineup today for the Bats. Could he possibly be getting the callup today and Dusty is just talking out of his rear like usual? Also Stubbs is in Left today with Heisley in Center.

by CamIam on Jun 30, 2009 2:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Saw that too

I’m wondering if we see a move today.

In unrelated news… what are the chances that Rick Sweet gets promoted to the Reds after Dusty’s term is over? Sweet seems to be a pretty amazing manager down there in the ’Ville.

by wishfuldrifter on Jun 30, 2009 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

So did Dave Miley

Not saying Sweet can’t handle it, but I think managing minor leaguers is quite a different beast than managing big leaguers. I don’t think the Reds players ever respected Miley, especially after how he handled the couch and jersey fiascos.

"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty

by Slyde on Jun 30, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

sorry, that was a chair fiasco, not couch fiasco

I think couch stuff was on Narron’s watch.

"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty

by Slyde on Jun 30, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I always

thought that Miley undermined himself with Dunn and Jr with that move. After that I dont think he could recover. His in game work seems to be better than any manger we have had since Mckeon.

by CamIam on Jun 30, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I reckon this P Doc hate

"I lay my head on the railroad tracks, and wait for the double E"- Warren Zevon

by Colin Auscapee on Jun 30, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eric Hinske got traded to the Yankees from the Pirates for two minor leaguers

Link

I don’t know anything about the prospects coming back, but this seems like a good deal for the ’Rats.

by Brendanukkah on Jun 30, 2009 2:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Also rumored to be nearly done

Nyjer Morgan for Lastings Milledge.

"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty

by Slyde on Jun 30, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hmm

If it were me, I think I’d rather have Morgan. They seem pretty similar, honestly.

by Brendanukkah on Jun 30, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Looks like Sean Burnett would go to the Nats

and Joel Hanrahan would go back to the Rats as well.

"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty

by Slyde on Jun 30, 2009 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd take Milledge

at least he has some power. Morgan is a light-hitting Juan Pierre.

"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty

by Slyde on Jun 30, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Definitely

Milledge is 24. Supposedly has an attitude problem but there’s lots of projection. Morgan is 28; he is what he is at this point.

The Nats trading Milledge is an appropriate epilogue to Bowden’s tenure.

by ken on Jun 30, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's racist!!

/obligatory’d

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Jun 30, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hinske, the human good luck charm!

The Yanks are sure to win the World Series now!

I’m wondering about the roster move. I fear this means adios, Ramiro Pena.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Jun 30, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: the Hinske trade

both “prospects” are 23 year olds having mediocre seasons in A ball. Both turn 24 in August. Not exactly top prospects.

Hinske is no world beater, but I’d think you could get more for him than that.

On the other trade, I think it looks good for the Pirates. I’d take Milledge’s bad attitude over Morgan’s marginal abilities all day.

Isn't there a slanket somewhere you should be filling with your farts?

by nycredsfan on Jun 30, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yanks didn't give up much

Plus the Bucs gave them some cash, too.

But hey, one of the prospects (Fryer) is from Ohio State.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Jun 30, 2009 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I remember Fryer, but he sure wasn't this

guy when it came to Buckeyes I remember while in college. Of course, the only reason I remember him is for that sweet Mennonite name. (Not sure of his religious back ground, if any.)

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Jun 30, 2009 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Holy crap the Reds are doing a ton of stuff this week to draw fans to the games

But nothing will sellout the stands as much as this one:

Thursday, July 2 – Cincinnati Reds vs. Arizona Diamondbacks, 12:35 pm

Mario Lopez: Mario Lopez, actor and host of NBC’s "Extra" TV show will serve at the Honorary Captain of today’s game.

"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty

by Slyde on Jun 30, 2009 2:50 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm there.

Let me write out a formal proof for you.

by Gray on Jun 30, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

HA!

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Jun 30, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rec'd both of you

that’s comedy gold right there

Isn't there a slanket somewhere you should be filling with your farts?

by nycredsfan on Jun 30, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dammit!

I’m pretty sure I left my homemade “Bayside Wrestling” shirt back in Ohio.

by Brendanukkah on Jun 30, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've heard Puffy Paints are hard to find in DC.

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Jun 30, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

booya

For the first time this season (I don’t count when EdE was injured to start the year but nothing was done about it), the Reds offense is going to be complete. What’s that, no Gonzalez? Even better.

"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty

by Slyde on Jun 30, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who's coming down in his place?

Let me write out a formal proof for you.

by Gray on Jun 30, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

My guess

Carlos Fisher or Jared Burton. Also, I suspect that Wilkin Castillo will go on the 60-day DL.

"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty

by Slyde on Jun 30, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would get a pitcher

They didn’t say he was activated yet though… just that he was back in Cincinnati… don’t know why he would be sent back to the Reds and not be activated though

by wishfuldrifter on Jun 30, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe he just likes the city.

Let me write out a formal proof for you.

by Gray on Jun 30, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Edwin does love his Camp Washington Chili

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Jun 30, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Edwin not in tonight's lineup

6-30 Reds’ Lineup
Taveras CF
Hairston 3B
Votto 1B
Phillips 2B
Nix LF
Hernandez C
Bruce RF
Janish SS
Arroyo P

"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty

by Slyde on Jun 30, 2009 3:14 PM EDT reply actions  

That disappointes me

Hopefully he’s back this week and can be a much needed bigger bat

by wishfuldrifter on Jun 30, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also, no Dickerson vs. a righty

I’m certain that the justification is because Taveras is batting .375 in his career against Haren (3 for 8, all 3 hits are singles). Never mind that Taveras is batting .240/.287/.303 against righties this year compared to Dickerson’s .288/.391/.417. Then again, Willy is batting .500 over his last 3 games and he even has 3 doubles!

"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty

by Slyde on Jun 30, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

How about the justification might be

“Taveras is our every-day center fielder. We overpaid for a player no one else wanted and we’re going to play him, results be damned!”

"I lay my head on the railroad tracks, and wait for the double E"- Warren Zevon

by Colin Auscapee on Jun 30, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

in other words

you go to war with the army you’ve got, not necessarily the army that might win?

"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty

by Slyde on Jun 30, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hitler'd.

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Jun 30, 2009 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ronald Dumbsfeld'd.

He sits alone...Reds are not home.

by Gapper on Jun 30, 2009 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was about to post something really positive regarding the news EdE's back in Cincy

but you went and ruined it by posting this stupid lineup.

Dusty is such a hypocrite. He’s no front runner, unless the guy he really wants to play has a decent weekend.

Isn't there a slanket somewhere you should be filling with your farts?

by nycredsfan on Jun 30, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

At least Willy T is there. Man, how I would miss not being able to skip the

first batter of the game, so my wife can watch more House Hunters. Thanks, Dusty, 4 fewer outs for me to watch

by timb116 on Jun 30, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bats are up 7-1 in the 8th

Daryl Thompson leaving with an injury after pitching 1/3 of an inning in relief.

"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san

by BK on Jun 30, 2009 4:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Daryl Thompson injured?

I never knew he was healthy.

"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty

by Slyde on Jun 30, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

He started 6 games after coming back from injury the first time. He’s been in the bullpen after coming back a few days ago, and he may have to go back on the shelf a third time.

"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san

by BK on Jun 30, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Chris Heisey drops a fly ball that would have ended the inning

And now Viola’s making this interesting. 7-3 now, 2 runners on.

"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san

by BK on Jun 30, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Walked the bases loaded

Baez coming in for Viola, and Bolivar coming in for Valaika in the double switch

"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san

by BK on Jun 30, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Reid Gorecki with a PH grand salami

Tie ballgame. Fuck.

"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san

by BK on Jun 30, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Reid Gorecki

That is entirely too many vowels for one man. Send some back Reid.

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Jun 30, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're one to talk, as a Lee Elia fan

"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san

by BK on Jun 30, 2009 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not a fan of Lee. Only his rant. And, yes, Lee has too many vowels, as well.

If he was the answer on Wheel of Fortunate, it would cost more to buy enough vowels to figure out the puzzle than you would get for actually answering the fucking thing.

L _ _ l _

FUCK!

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Jun 30, 2009 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

DAMN YOU SBNATION!!

L _ _ _ l _ _

There, much better.

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Jun 30, 2009 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Back to back jacks

Jordan Schafer homers to give Gwinnett the lead. Are you kidding me?!

"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san

by BK on Jun 30, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Baez walks the next guy

and the next guy up, a dude named Barbaro broke his leg and died grounded out.

"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san

by BK on Jun 30, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yeah, they lost 8-7

Aaron Harang is gonna take Sam LeCure out to dinner next time he’s in town.

"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san

by BK on Jun 30, 2009 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Crap

What a collapse.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Jun 30, 2009 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fay says EdE was supposed to play today

he’s trying to track down why he didn’t.

"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty

by Slyde on Jun 30, 2009 4:48 PM EDT reply actions  

John Fay is Batman.

The world’s greatest detective.

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Jun 30, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

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