Who Should Be Playing Shortstop for the Reds?
Now that Alex Gonzalez has gone on the disabled list, it appears that the position of shortstop is realistically up for debate. In Dusty Baker's eyes, Gonzalez was the starter and it was going to stay that way, but now that the starter is gone, who should replace him?
The two leading candidates are Jerry Hairston Jr. and Paul Janish (who?). Each player has his advantages, Hairston is a better hitter, Janish a better fielder. Some of the decision really depends on what you think the bigger need is for the Reds. To break it down a bit more numerically, let's take a look at how they project for the remainder of the season, using ZiPS from FanGraphs:
Hairston |
![]() Janish |
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| .261 .324 .418 |
AVG OBP SLG |
.233 .300 .335 |
As you can see, Hairston projects to be a much better hitter over the remainder of the season compared to Janish. The difference between the two over 250 plate appearances is about 8.5 runs, or pretty close to a win. That's quite a dramatic difference over that few plate appearances. Even if Hairston's projection is a little high, as it appears to be to me, he has a lot of room to fall. His bat is clearly superior to Janish's.
Defensively, it's a bit harder to pin down. While I doubt anybody would argue that Janish is not the better defender, to what degree this is true isn't easy to make clear. So far this year, according to UZR, Hairston has actually been a better shortstop than Janish by about a half of a run, though both are in minutely small samples. Chone Smith projects Janish at as a +1 defender over 150 games, while Hairston projects to about -5 at shortstop. If we prorate that to one-third of a season, we're only looking at approximately a 2-run difference defensively. Given that, I'd have a hard time putting Janish at shortstop instead of Hairston.
Then again, there is the matter of third base. Until Edwin Encarnacion comes back, the Reds need somebody to play third base, and the choices right now are basically Hairston or Adam Rosales. Rosales projects to be a slightly better hitter than Janish, but defensively he is projected to -7 runs over 150 games at 3B. He's done much better than that this year (+1.4 runs), but I'm not convinced that his number this year are anything but small sample sized luck. And given that I'm less confident in his offensive projections than I am Hairston's, I think I'd rather see Hairston at 3B and Janish at SS until Encarnacion comes back.
After Edwin comes back, I wouldn't mind seeing Janish still getting some starts at shortstop mainly because I think having an excellent defender next to Encarnacion will help cover up some of his shortcomings. When Janish isn't starting, he should definitely be used regularly as a defensive replacement when the Reds have a lead. I know it's a lot to ask of Dusty to remember that Janish is on the team, but having a valuable defensive weapon at an important defensive position can be a real asset. Hell, Juan Castro built a whole career doing that, and he wasn't nearly as good defensively as Janish appears to be.
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Janish = Freddie Benavides
"We're going to Adonis, son"
jch24
by obc2 on Jun 23, 2009 2:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sorry but Jannish's role is to be the last playert as a back up in case:
The 1B,2B, SS,3B, Both Catchers,all LFs and pitchers are used up. We need Kash or boobs as manager. I presume that Richar will somehow get more playing time than PJ. Look for a lot of Rosy this week. I never thought I’d be so eager to see EdE back in the line up.
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by Madville on Jun 23, 2009 2:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Adam Rosales needs to be left behind in Canada
Fix him up in a Canadiens jersey and run him through the streets of Toronto. We’ll see just how good at hustling he is then.
by Brendanukkah on Jun 23, 2009 2:39 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
He would be a boon to the logging industry
chomp, chomp, chomping down one forest at a time.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Jun 23, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
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by PeteyHendrix on Jun 23, 2009 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah,
my choices for SS and 3B are basically dictated by never wanting to see Rosales again. Whatever combinations or permutations you put together thereafter are fine with me.
Though I can’t believe I just read that Janish appears to be better than old manos de oro himself.
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by Gapper on Jun 23, 2009 2:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Janish may not be better than Castro at his best
but he’s definitely better than Castro over the last 5 years.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on Jun 23, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's Hairston & Rosales tonight
tonight’s lineup:
Taveras 8
Hairston 6
Votto 3
Phillips 4
Gomes DH
Hernandez 2
Bruce 9
Rosales 5
Dickerson 7
Owings 1
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on Jun 23, 2009 2:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Gomes at DH, eh.
Janish and Hanigan, Dusty would not piss on you if you were on fire.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Jun 23, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fay or Hal needs to explicitly connect "Hanigan" and "Rookie of the Year" the next time they ask Dusty a question
I don’t trust Dusty to be aware of this situation through his own powers, but maybe if someone forcefully shows him that his backup catcher is putting up ROY numbers, Hanigan might see a bump in playing time.
But probably not.
by Brendanukkah on Jun 23, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Votto 3"
Man that’s a site for soar ayes.
"Power guys like Giambi and Dunn have always had high OPS because no one wants to pitch to them. But it takes two hits to score them from first." -- Harold Reynolds
by jch24 on Jun 23, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So good to see Votto back
why couldn’t we lead Dickerson off and bat Taveras 9th?
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by MixFMKyle on Jun 23, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because the CF bats leadoff......duh
"Power guys like Giambi and Dunn have always had high OPS because no one wants to pitch to them. But it takes two hits to score them from first." -- Harold Reynolds
by jch24 on Jun 23, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, with Taveras hobbled, maybe Dickerson should be in center.
If Willy can’t beat out a bunt, we need to help him heal. Like, maybe, just sayin’….on the DL.
I can see you're not going to agree with me, so let's move on. - Bill Maher
by PeteyHendrix on Jun 23, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'd dh for rosales or Willy, not Micah
"We're going to Adonis, son"
jch24
by obc2 on Jun 23, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dusty wants to hold him back
to pinch hit out of order later in the game.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Jun 23, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Good point.
Except that if Owings gets knocked out early, we’d have to pinch-hit for the P spot all day, which would presumably be a disadvantage to the Red Stockings.
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by PeteyHendrix on Jun 23, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plus, you can only DH for the pitcher
"I lay my head on the railroad tracks, and wait for the double E"- Warren Zevon
by Colin Auscapee on Jun 23, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
are you sure about that?
i think we discussed this before…little help?
You're so 2000 and late
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jun 23, 2009 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A gander at the rules tells us
b) The Rule provides as follows:
A hitter may be designated to bat for the starting pitcher and allsubsequent pitchers in any game without otherwise affecting the status of the pitcher(s) in the game.
Seems rather unambiguous.
"I lay my head on the railroad tracks, and wait for the double E"- Warren Zevon
by Colin Auscapee on Jun 23, 2009 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
huh
thanks
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by Charlie Scrabbles on Jun 23, 2009 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brian Tallet, tonight's starter for the BJs, is left-handed
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on Jun 23, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess Willy is hitting better against C-Dick vs LHP
Reds Batting Average against LHP this season
Tonights Lineup
Taveras .196
Hairston .350
Votto .372
Phillips .310
Gomes .420
Hernandez .196
Bruce .174
Rosales .208
Dickerson .096
Owings .170 (1-6, One Double)
Bench
Hanigan .385
Janish .364
Nix .167
Richar .000
DL
Encarnacion .188
Gonzalez .267
Boy Ramon and Rosales have been bad against LHP. Taveras has been bad against everyone. Really no reason as to why Ramon should be starting tonight over Hanigan, and Janish should be given a start ahead of Rosales.
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by MixFMKyle on Jun 23, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Link for stats for those interested
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by MixFMKyle on Jun 23, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looking at Hanigan on the bench is making me mad
by Brendanukkah on Jun 23, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hanigan!
Again and Again!
Fuck you sideways, dustbrain!
I can see you're not going to agree with me, so let's move on. - Bill Maher
by PeteyHendrix on Jun 23, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What is it going to take to get Rosales off this team?
Is it the vagaries of MLB 40-man roster rules that I don’t understand? I’m ready to treat Taveras as that ugly piece of furniture you’re mother can’t part with, but for fuck’s sake Rosales starting and Hanigan on the bench? Why the fuck has Dusty created a seniority system in the one industry that least needs one?
Thrilled to see Votto’s name and glad to see Dickerson getting a start, but Dusty’s made the Bizarro move again – rewarding him for performance but putting him in when he has the least chance to succeed – againsta LHP.
I got to go down to the stadium and whip batteries at the players on both teams. - Philly Boy Roy
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jun 23, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess maybe it's much ado about nothing with EdE's return imminent
but it further reinforces that the Taveras and Hanigan bullshit is going to persist. Dickerson should be getting all CF starts against RHP and Hanigan all starts again LHP. Does anyone actually LIKE playing catcher fulltime?
I got to go down to the stadium and whip batteries at the players on both teams. - Philly Boy Roy
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jun 23, 2009 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dusty really believes in the every player has a 'role’ approach.
We need to start a movement…to reach younger Red’s executives like Phil C. to rid Cincinnati baseball of this tired and bound to fail approach…utilize players to their strengths…not plug players into preconceived roles where they will have a high chance of failure – see C-Dick tonight’s line up.
One tequila, two tequila, three tequila, floor.
George Carlin
by Madville on Jun 23, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting, but I'm not so sure about going outside of the organization
What would it take for the Reds to acquire this Janish guy?
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by BK on Jun 23, 2009 3:06 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
self-awareness
You're so 2000 and late
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jun 23, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Number 7 is alive!

"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on Jun 23, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hai guise

Can it be Colin time again?
"I lay my head on the railroad tracks, and wait for the double E"- Warren Zevon
by Colin Auscapee on Jun 23, 2009 3:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Votto AND Colin?!
What a magical day!
by Brendanukkah on Jun 23, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I came back just for you 'nukkah
But I won’t be able to make it to tonight’s game thread—my liver and I are planning to lock ass again; we have really been going through a rough patch.
"I lay my head on the railroad tracks, and wait for the double E"- Warren Zevon
by Colin Auscapee on Jun 23, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Try this to sooth your cranky liver:

This combo never fails, Tanguerey and Tonic with a Mummy Dog
One tequila, two tequila, three tequila, floor.
George Carlin
by Madville on Jun 23, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm a'tellin' ya - (lot of good it will do me)
Dusty really believe in the every player has a role’ approach.
So despite Hannigan’s productivity he’ll now enjoy a cozy seat next to Jannish.
I can only quote myself at this point: ‘I think that the Reds need a young and fresh manager,By fresh I mean one who understands the accepted approach to managing but also has the creativity and courage to get of of the box and play to the player’s strengths and not be so rigidly consumed with roles. who knows in this scenario Paul Jannish might even get a chance to play." For more:
http://www.redreporter.com/2009/6/22/921322/calling-kash-or-boobs
One tequila, two tequila, three tequila, floor.
George Carlin
by Madville on Jun 23, 2009 3:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice job, Slyder.
Rec’d.
Hairston 3B, Janish at SS.
I can see you're not going to agree with me, so let's move on. - Bill Maher
by PeteyHendrix on Jun 23, 2009 3:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If we get to July and Hanigan and Janish combine for < 4 starts
I’m going to be just about ready to give up on this team. I can understand giving Donnie Sadler PAs when its him or DT Cromer, but this is fucking ridiculous. I can’t support a team that simply ignores Janish (nice job on the 40-man on the left side of the screen, Slyde) and treats Hanigan like a red-headed stepchild. They put Dickerson in positions to fail, and generally do things that are legitimately indefensible.
That movie Cold Mountain kinda sucked, but there was a quote I liked in it. Renee Zelwegger is righteously bitching, and says, “But they made the weather and then they stand in the rain and say ‘Shit, it’s raining!’” The Reds are kind of like that right now, and its way, way, frustrating in ways I’m not good enough with words to describe.
by Cy Schourek on Jun 23, 2009 4:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
BK maintains the 40-man
he gets all the credit.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on Jun 23, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
right, very well
Well done, BK. Sorry for the misattributation, on the internet everyone looks the same.
by Cy Schourek on Jun 23, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not to me

Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Jun 23, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm with you
It’s as though Hanigan’ success and Dickerson’s recent resurgence are a nuisance and they want it put down ASAP. You know, like in Iran! Bat Dickerson against LHP a bunch of times and even if he’s able to put up Jay Bruce-like splits vs. lefties, he’s out of the lineup entirely. Piss Hanigan off by benching him during a ROY-caliber campaign and maybe when he does get a start he’ll be rusty and pissed off and we can get back to Hernandez-Taveras hegemony.
Rosales sucks!
I got to go down to the stadium and whip batteries at the players on both teams. - Philly Boy Roy
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jun 23, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I'm pretty much fed up with Dusty's starter at positions mentality......
If another guy is playing better………..he’s the one who earned starting. It gets so old.
by Dude Rock on Jun 23, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought Janish was our closer? ;>)
Cozart!!!! WTH!!!
by Dude Rock on Jun 23, 2009 4:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Who..................
Sigh
One tequila, two tequila, three tequila, floor.
George Carlin
by Madville on Jun 23, 2009 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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