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Joey Votto autographed my ticket stubs from the Sarasota Reds game last Thursday.  Not only is he a great ballplayer and a handsome fella, but he's a humanitarian too.  They should make a TV show about him.

Joey Votto autographed my ticket stubs from the Sarasota Reds game last Thursday. Not only is he a great ballplayer and a handsome fella, but he's a humanitarian too. They should make a TV show about him.

Ahhh, it's good to be back in the Reposter chair.  Thanks be to Slyde for keeping it warm for me and not spilling Diet Rite all over it.  I've been on vacation for the last week, laying on the beach, meeting Joey Votto, and not doing much else.  Unfortunately, the Reds havent being doing much either.  I've got a lot of pent-up frustration with this team, so let's dispense with the pleasantries (I'll spare you the pics of my sand castle) and get down to the biz...

  • Best News of the Day
    Joey Votto played a few minor league games over the weekend to get his sea legs back under him, and now he says he's ready to join the big league club. "They (the Reds) know what I’ve been going through. They would be able to say, ‘Are you ready to go?’ My answer would be yes."

  • Hall o' Famer Hal posed this question to Dusty yesterday
    (Check out nycredsfan's FanPost all about this)  "When Joey Votto comes back, what happens to Ryan Hanigan?" Baker's response was, "bench." Hal asked Dusty if perhaps Ramon Hernandez could slide over and try his hand at 3rd base to keep Hanigan's bat in the lineup, you know, since he leads all non-Joey Votto Reds in OBP with a shimmering .411 mark.

    Now, I havent really been keen on the idea of Hernandez at 3B. His defense at 1B hasnt been great and I'm afraid he would be a total disaster at 3B.  But then I realized something: everyone who has played 3B for the Reds so far this year has been an abject disastrous failure. keeping Hanigan in the lineup is worth waaaay more than the theoretical marginal loss in defense we get from playing Hernandez over Rosales or Hairston.

    But it's not the defense that's worrying Baker, oh no. It's Hanigan's batting line with RISP(!!). Hanigan is hitting .174 with RISP. He has a total of 30 PAs (6 walks) with RISP so far this season and Dusty is siting that as a reason to keep a .411 OBPing catcher on the bench. Exasperation, thy name is Charlie Scrabbles.

  • Free Willy, as in cut his butt loose - Beyond the Box Score
    BtB asks the question that Red Reporters have been asking for a month now.  This guy is a Cardinals fan too, so you just know this smug little jerk with his complicated hair cut and expensive shoes is just giggling merrily the whole time.  This one really cooked my biscuits.

  • Mark Sheldon has this quote from Baker
    With the Reds scoring only 1 run for a good pitching performance, the Reds lost another game they could have won if only they could hit the damn baseball. Here's Dusty: "That's been a repetitive story. We're trying to find a way to get some hits when they count and drive in some runs. Aaron pitched well enough to win today. I've gone over this many times. We have to produce some runs."

  • Edwin Encarnacion started a rehab assignment in AAA this weekend
    going 0-2 with a walk on Sunday. "This is like going back to the beginning," Baker said. "In Spring Training, you're hitting live most days. And the pitchers weren't two and a half months into sharpness like they are now." Looks like they want to give EdE a good while to work himself back into game shape. I hope he can do it quickly.

  • Bob Castellini called the Civil Rights Game a "forerunner of our All-Star Game"
    He said he wants the All-Star Game in Cincinnati for 2013. Here's what Commish Selig had to say about it: "They deserve an All-Star Game. The problem we have these days - back in the 90s you had to beg cities to host - now we're jammed. Every time we build a new ballpark - like in Florida, Minnesota and the Mets - they want one. So I've got to work my way through this. They deserve an All-Star Game, and I'm going to do my very best to get them one." Well, we built our new ballpark first! So there!

  • SBNation Launched a new MLB Rumors site called MLB Daily Dish
    Check it out and add it to your news feed reader if you like it!

  • Moneyball the Movie is no more
    Brad Pitt and Steven Soderbergh are now rumored to be discussing making a shot-for-shot remake of John Goodman's "The Babe". 
  • Wanna see something you've probably never seen before?
    Click that link.

  • BtB runs down the meaning of WAR
    If you've ever been looking for an explanation of what goes into Wins Above Replacement (WAR), here's a pretty good primer. Also, check out the pitcher's WAR explanation too.

  • Baseball Prospectus (subscription req'd) looks the NL drafts
    and uses the the phrase "neither an especially impressive nor disappointing group" to describe the Reds.

  • It's Monday and THT has their weekly rankings up
    The Reds have slipped to #18.

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If Dusty was a song

he would be .38 Special’s “Hold On Loosely”…..

"We're going to Adonis, son"

jch24

by obc2 on Jun 22, 2009 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was think more like

Dare to be Stupid

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Jun 22, 2009 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

wonder why the Reds are not using Drew Sutton

hes 26- hes similar defensively to Keppinger in that he doesnt have the range to play SS but should be solid defensively at 3rd or 2nd.
If you are not going to use Drew this year why did you trade Keppinger for him?
The only position that Hernandez offense can justify playing time is Catcher and the Reds have a better option that apparently they will not play ie Taveras/Dickerson part 2.

by davidmac84 on Jun 22, 2009 2:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That's why I'm sayin'!

He’s major league ready. But remember, you’re screaming into a vacuum.

I got to go down to the stadium and whip batteries at the players on both teams. - Philly Boy Roy

by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jun 22, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

How much of the season has Willy T been dinged up?

I wouldn’t expect great defense or baserunning while he’s got a balky hammy, but then I wouldn’t expect him to get playing time. Regardless, inserting WAR as evidence with a third of the season gone is a misguided notion.

And they are millions, but in the baseball world, burning 3 million for a couple years isn’t some giant anchor. Astros fans were unhappy with the performance of Michael Bourn who is doing great and many Brewers fans stated conclusively with the same sort of arguments Cards guy makes that Tony Gwynn jr will never be more than a fifth outfielder because he can’t hit and can’t play defense.

by ol Pete on Jun 22, 2009 2:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

the key numbers for Willie

career 5.6 BB%/ .054% Isolated Power. Basically Taveras has no power and no ability to draw a walk- and its almost impossible to be even an average offensive player with those metrics.
2007 the one year Taveras was above average he had a 371 BABIP and recorded 53 bunt and infield hits or 45% of his hit total this year.
Taveras’s decline to sub-replacement level performance was the most predictable baseball event for the Reds this year. You simply can not be successful long term with Taveras skill set.

by davidmac84 on Jun 22, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You may be right

I will say there are even more persuasive arguments that prove without question that Tony Gwynn jr can’t play either. The “metrics” prove it.

by ol Pete on Jun 22, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I dont think so

Taveras has 2200 Plate appearances- with pretty consistent metrics year over year. In fact his BB% rate is till higher this year than career average.
Gwynn has 371 lifetime PA- his highest single season PA for the Brewers was 137.
So the Brewers made a judgement primarily on Gwynns minor league record- a completely different situation than Taveras.
We shall see if the Brewers were correct- but also the Brewers have an OF Braun, Cameron, Hart really did not have PT time to offer to Gwynn anyway.

by davidmac84 on Jun 22, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

just cruise around some Brewers sites

Just as you pointed out “metrics” that determined without doubt that Taveras couldn’t succeed, literally dozens of people said the same thing about Gwynn. It wasn’t even in question. Walk rates and power and the same were used as conclusive proof.

As for the Brewers front office, they got us Jody Gerut.

by ol Pete on Jun 22, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you are missing the simple point

Taveras as 2000+ plate appearances and his BB% and Isolated power have been extremely consistent. Gwynn career is not yet at the 400 plate appearances mark. We shall see if he can maintain the 14% walk rate or if it will regress more towards his minor league and MLB numbers around 8-10%.
And again I am not sure what Tony Gwynn Jr as to do with Taveras. Taveras has an established MLB record that was extremely easy to project.

by davidmac84 on Jun 22, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I got it and responded

You ascribe incredible power to your two chosen statistics. There are many more and not everything relevant is captured in available statistics.

I can tell you that just like you there are individuals who have analyzed Gwynn, Willy T, and many others and drawn definitive conclusions. The idea that Gwynn isn’t projectable from his minor league performance is sabermetric heresy.

Just because you want to proclaim your ability to construct a roster, doesn’t diminish my original points to which you never responded.

by ol Pete on Jun 22, 2009 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Crazy rumor of the day......

Reds are going to clear payroll, trade for Holiday, and will have already talked new contract with Holiday/agent and sign him to a 5 year deal.

Dickerson CF
Phillips 2B
Votto 1B
Holiday LF
Bruce RF

Gee, now what to do with SS and 3B???

Bye bye Bronson. Bye bye Harang. Hello Maloney and Bailey.

by Dude Rock on Jun 22, 2009 2:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i heard that the reds are going to trade

Brandon Philliips and Laynce Nix to the Nationals for Taveris, Beimel, Willie Harris, and Saul Riveria.

Bloop

by justin007000 on Jun 22, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I assume you mean Tavarez

But it’s possible that you got confused and meant Taveras. Either way, I’d love to see the ghost of Marge Schott take some clippers to that yeti mask Joe Beimel calls a face.

by Brendanukkah on Jun 22, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

When you make stuff up it is often called a myth...(unless you just have a lisp)

Noun….
         1. A traditional, typically ancient story dealing with supernatural beings, ancestors, or centerfielders that serves as a fundamental type in the worldview of a people, as by explaining aspects of the natural world or delineating the psychology, customs, or ideals of society: the myth of CoPat and T-Virus; a Dustyistic myth.
         2. Such stories considered as a group: the realm of myth.
   2. A popular belief or story that has become associated with a person, institution, or occurrence, especially one considered to illustrate a cultural ideal: a SS whose 1 decent season turned him into a myth; the pioneer league myth of transgendered 1st basemen
   3. A fiction or half-truth, especially one that forms part of an ideology.
   4. A fictitious story, person, or thing: “Taveris OBP superiority in the Leadoff position was a myth” (Leon Wolff).
   5. A down right lie to cover up the moronic stupidity or intellectual laziness of a person or a group of people: The Creation Museum

One tequila, two tequila, three tequila, floor.
George Carlin

by Madville on Jun 22, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They're not going to get divorced, are they?

They need to have one more kid to have enough for a baseball team.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Jun 22, 2009 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

rumor: noun
a currently circulating story or report of uncertain or doubtful truth

Where is this story circulating? If you’re just inventing it now, what is the point?

by ol Pete on Jun 22, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO rec'd

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Jun 22, 2009 2:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

But not reply'd

/Moron goes back to work

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Jun 22, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

in a similar vein

Brett Tomko is right now losing games for the Yankees.
If only Bowden was still a GM- he would be in ex-Reds heaven right now.

by davidmac84 on Jun 22, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

probably not for much longer

I would guess Tomko gets the DFA within the week.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Jun 22, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's been a standing prediction of mine since about 2000

Has any player been constantly employed, yet constantly on the verge of being DFA as long as Tomko? Maybe Chan Ho Park?

by Red Menace on Jun 22, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think it's Tomko

Park was hurt for a while, which takes him out of the equation as far as I’m concerned. Rick Helling always seemed to be like this too. Aaron Sele always seemed to have a job despite 5+ ERAs. Sidney Ponson over the past 4-5 years.

But when it comes to long-term bare adequacy, Tomko is the living embodiment of replacement level. Thank god for Johnny Cueto, or else Tomko would stand alone as the only pitcher we’ve developed over the past 10 years.

by teb7 on Jun 22, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought of Ponson as well

Are there any position players like this? Kenny Lofton and Reggie Sanders spent their last years bouncing around on one year contracts, but they were almost always good.

by Red Menace on Jun 22, 2009 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Edwin has a 3-run homer and a walk in his first rehab appearance tonight

Homer Bailey has thrown 4 innings, giving up 1 run on a home run to Reid Gorecki. He allowed 3 hits in that first inning and just one since, striking out 6 along the way. Follow along here.

"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty

by Slyde on Jun 22, 2009 8:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

sorry, this is Edwin's 2nd game

I meant first home run, but my words got all tangled up.

"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty

by Slyde on Jun 22, 2009 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bailey gave up a HR?

Cut his ass.

"Power guys like Giambi and Dunn have always had high OPS because no one wants to pitch to them. But it takes two hits to score them from first." -- Harold Reynolds

by jch24 on Jun 22, 2009 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

86 pitches through 5 innings

that’s not very effective.

"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty

by Slyde on Jun 22, 2009 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

pronto'd

Looks like he’s done now. Faltering a bit in the 7th, but he’s been pretty dominant again. I’d say he deserves the call for Saturday.

In other good news, Votto is almost definitely playing tomorrow. He’s in Toronto with the team as we speak.

Isn't there a slanket somewhere you should be filling with your farts?

by nycredsfan on Jun 22, 2009 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He made it through 7 innings

8 Ks, 2 BB, 6 H, 1 R, 115 pitches.

"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty

by Slyde on Jun 22, 2009 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That splitter is agreeing with him

It’s good to see, I really hope he can have some success in the majors this year to give him a boost for next year.

Isn't there a slanket somewhere you should be filling with your farts?

by nycredsfan on Jun 22, 2009 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you know what?

fuck next year. i want him to dominate NOW.

maybe its the liquor talkin’, but there really isnt a good reason this team cant go for the gold this year, right? just get a bat for LF and a lockable box for Willy Taveras and the pitching could carry them to the playoffs.

You're so 2000 and late

by Charlie Scrabbles on Jun 22, 2009 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

jack daniels'd

Maybe trade Arroyo for that LF bat? Cool by me, as long as its not holliday

Isn't there a slanket somewhere you should be filling with your farts?

by nycredsfan on Jun 22, 2009 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

After all

The idea of a lockbox carried Al Gore to victory, did it not?

by Brendanukkah on Jun 22, 2009 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dude, get someone to take Taveras in the deal and we're golden!

"Power guys like Giambi and Dunn have always had high OPS because no one wants to pitch to them. But it takes two hits to score them from first." -- Harold Reynolds

by jch24 on Jun 22, 2009 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Looks like Votto could return tomorrow

He was on the team flight to Toronto

"Tigers love pepper...they hate cinnamon.

by cesarhernandez on Jun 22, 2009 9:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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