Red Reposter - 6/22/09
Ahhh, it's good to be back in the Reposter chair. Thanks be to Slyde for keeping it warm for me and not spilling Diet Rite all over it. I've been on vacation for the last week, laying on the beach, meeting Joey Votto, and not doing much else. Unfortunately, the Reds havent being doing much either. I've got a lot of pent-up frustration with this team, so let's dispense with the pleasantries (I'll spare you the pics of my sand castle) and get down to the biz...
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Best News of the Day
Joey Votto played a few minor league games over the weekend to get his sea legs back under him, and now he says he's ready to join the big league club. "They (the Reds) know what I’ve been going through. They would be able to say, ‘Are you ready to go?’ My answer would be yes." -
Hall o' Famer Hal posed this question to Dusty yesterday
(Check out nycredsfan's FanPost all about this) "When Joey Votto comes back, what happens to Ryan Hanigan?" Baker's response was, "bench." Hal asked Dusty if perhaps Ramon Hernandez could slide over and try his hand at 3rd base to keep Hanigan's bat in the lineup, you know, since he leads all non-Joey Votto Reds in OBP with a shimmering .411 mark.
Now, I havent really been keen on the idea of Hernandez at 3B. His defense at 1B hasnt been great and I'm afraid he would be a total disaster at 3B. But then I realized something: everyone who has played 3B for the Reds so far this year has been an abject disastrous failure. keeping Hanigan in the lineup is worth waaaay more than the theoretical marginal loss in defense we get from playing Hernandez over Rosales or Hairston.
But it's not the defense that's worrying Baker, oh no. It's Hanigan's batting line with RISP(!!). Hanigan is hitting .174 with RISP. He has a total of 30 PAs (6 walks) with RISP so far this season and Dusty is siting that as a reason to keep a .411 OBPing catcher on the bench. Exasperation, thy name is Charlie Scrabbles. -
Free Willy, as in cut his butt loose - Beyond the Box Score
BtB asks the question that Red Reporters have been asking for a month now. This guy is a Cardinals fan too, so you just know this smug little jerk with his complicated hair cut and expensive shoes is just giggling merrily the whole time. This one really cooked my biscuits. -
Mark Sheldon has this quote from Baker
With the Reds scoring only 1 run for a good pitching performance, the Reds lost another game they could have won if only they could hit the damn baseball. Here's Dusty: "That's been a repetitive story. We're trying to find a way to get some hits when they count and drive in some runs. Aaron pitched well enough to win today. I've gone over this many times. We have to produce some runs." -
Edwin Encarnacion started a rehab assignment in AAA this weekend
going 0-2 with a walk on Sunday. "This is like going back to the beginning," Baker said. "In Spring Training, you're hitting live most days. And the pitchers weren't two and a half months into sharpness like they are now." Looks like they want to give EdE a good while to work himself back into game shape. I hope he can do it quickly. -
Bob Castellini called the Civil Rights Game a "forerunner of our All-Star Game"
He said he wants the All-Star Game in Cincinnati for 2013. Here's what Commish Selig had to say about it: "They deserve an All-Star Game. The problem we have these days - back in the 90s you had to beg cities to host - now we're jammed. Every time we build a new ballpark - like in Florida, Minnesota and the Mets - they want one. So I've got to work my way through this. They deserve an All-Star Game, and I'm going to do my very best to get them one." Well, we built our new ballpark first! So there! -
SBNation Launched a new MLB Rumors site called MLB Daily Dish
Check it out and add it to your news feed reader if you like it! - Moneyball the Movie is no more
Brad Pitt and Steven Soderbergh are now rumored to be discussing making a shot-for-shot remake of John Goodman's "The Babe". -
Wanna see something you've probably never seen before?
Click that link. -
BtB runs down the meaning of WAR
If you've ever been looking for an explanation of what goes into Wins Above Replacement (WAR), here's a pretty good primer. Also, check out the pitcher's WAR explanation too. -
Baseball Prospectus (subscription req'd) looks the NL drafts
and uses the the phrase "neither an especially impressive nor disappointing group" to describe the Reds. -
It's Monday and THT has their weekly rankings up
The Reds have slipped to #18.
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46 comments
Comments
The interviews with Dusty are getting more enlightening by the day.
They remind me of something. Something insightful.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Jun 22, 2009 12:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If Dusty was a song
he would be .38 Special’s “Hold On Loosely”…..
"We're going to Adonis, son"
jch24
by obc2 on Jun 22, 2009 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was think more like
Dare to be Stupid
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jun 22, 2009 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wonder why the Reds are not using Drew Sutton
hes 26- hes similar defensively to Keppinger in that he doesnt have the range to play SS but should be solid defensively at 3rd or 2nd.
If you are not going to use Drew this year why did you trade Keppinger for him?
The only position that Hernandez offense can justify playing time is Catcher and the Reds have a better option that apparently they will not play ie Taveras/Dickerson part 2.
by davidmac84 on Jun 22, 2009 2:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That's why I'm sayin'!
He’s major league ready. But remember, you’re screaming into a vacuum.
I got to go down to the stadium and whip batteries at the players on both teams. - Philly Boy Roy
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jun 22, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How much of the season has Willy T been dinged up?
I wouldn’t expect great defense or baserunning while he’s got a balky hammy, but then I wouldn’t expect him to get playing time. Regardless, inserting WAR as evidence with a third of the season gone is a misguided notion.
And they are millions, but in the baseball world, burning 3 million for a couple years isn’t some giant anchor. Astros fans were unhappy with the performance of Michael Bourn who is doing great and many Brewers fans stated conclusively with the same sort of arguments Cards guy makes that Tony Gwynn jr will never be more than a fifth outfielder because he can’t hit and can’t play defense.
by ol Pete on Jun 22, 2009 2:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
the key numbers for Willie
career 5.6 BB%/ .054% Isolated Power. Basically Taveras has no power and no ability to draw a walk- and its almost impossible to be even an average offensive player with those metrics.
2007 the one year Taveras was above average he had a 371 BABIP and recorded 53 bunt and infield hits or 45% of his hit total this year.
Taveras’s decline to sub-replacement level performance was the most predictable baseball event for the Reds this year. You simply can not be successful long term with Taveras skill set.
by davidmac84 on Jun 22, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You may be right
I will say there are even more persuasive arguments that prove without question that Tony Gwynn jr can’t play either. The “metrics” prove it.
by ol Pete on Jun 22, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont think so
Taveras has 2200 Plate appearances- with pretty consistent metrics year over year. In fact his BB% rate is till higher this year than career average.
Gwynn has 371 lifetime PA- his highest single season PA for the Brewers was 137.
So the Brewers made a judgement primarily on Gwynns minor league record- a completely different situation than Taveras.
We shall see if the Brewers were correct- but also the Brewers have an OF Braun, Cameron, Hart really did not have PT time to offer to Gwynn anyway.
by davidmac84 on Jun 22, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
just cruise around some Brewers sites
Just as you pointed out “metrics” that determined without doubt that Taveras couldn’t succeed, literally dozens of people said the same thing about Gwynn. It wasn’t even in question. Walk rates and power and the same were used as conclusive proof.
As for the Brewers front office, they got us Jody Gerut.
by ol Pete on Jun 22, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you are missing the simple point
Taveras as 2000+ plate appearances and his BB% and Isolated power have been extremely consistent. Gwynn career is not yet at the 400 plate appearances mark. We shall see if he can maintain the 14% walk rate or if it will regress more towards his minor league and MLB numbers around 8-10%.
And again I am not sure what Tony Gwynn Jr as to do with Taveras. Taveras has an established MLB record that was extremely easy to project.
by davidmac84 on Jun 22, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I got it and responded
You ascribe incredible power to your two chosen statistics. There are many more and not everything relevant is captured in available statistics.
I can tell you that just like you there are individuals who have analyzed Gwynn, Willy T, and many others and drawn definitive conclusions. The idea that Gwynn isn’t projectable from his minor league performance is sabermetric heresy.
Just because you want to proclaim your ability to construct a roster, doesn’t diminish my original points to which you never responded.
by ol Pete on Jun 22, 2009 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Crazy rumor of the day......
Reds are going to clear payroll, trade for Holiday, and will have already talked new contract with Holiday/agent and sign him to a 5 year deal.
Dickerson CF
Phillips 2B
Votto 1B
Holiday LF
Bruce RF
Gee, now what to do with SS and 3B???
Bye bye Bronson. Bye bye Harang. Hello Maloney and Bailey.
by Dude Rock on Jun 22, 2009 2:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Just because you can make shit up doesn't make it a "rumor"
"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san
by BK on Jun 22, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
i heard that the reds are going to trade
Brandon Philliips and Laynce Nix to the Nationals for Taveris, Beimel, Willie Harris, and Saul Riveria.
Bloop
by justin007000 on Jun 22, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I assume you mean Tavarez
But it’s possible that you got confused and meant Taveras. Either way, I’d love to see the ghost of Marge Schott take some clippers to that yeti mask Joe Beimel calls a face.
by Brendanukkah on Jun 22, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i just want to recreate 2006
Bloop
by justin007000 on Jun 22, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When you make stuff up it is often called a myth...(unless you just have a lisp)
Noun….
1. A traditional, typically ancient story dealing with supernatural beings, ancestors, or centerfielders that serves as a fundamental type in the worldview of a people, as by explaining aspects of the natural world or delineating the psychology, customs, or ideals of society: the myth of CoPat and T-Virus; a Dustyistic myth.
2. Such stories considered as a group: the realm of myth.
2. A popular belief or story that has become associated with a person, institution, or occurrence, especially one considered to illustrate a cultural ideal: a SS whose 1 decent season turned him into a myth; the pioneer league myth of transgendered 1st basemen
3. A fiction or half-truth, especially one that forms part of an ideology.
4. A fictitious story, person, or thing: “Taveris OBP superiority in the Leadoff position was a myth” (Leon Wolff).
5. A down right lie to cover up the moronic stupidity or intellectual laziness of a person or a group of people: The Creation Museum
One tequila, two tequila, three tequila, floor.
George Carlin
by Madville on Jun 22, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes it is.........D'oh!!!
…….you got me! ;>)
by Dude Rock on Jun 22, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i heard the Reds are going to trade
Hanigan and Owings for Jon and Kate
Major announcement due tonight, supposedly.
"We're going to Adonis, son"
jch24
by obc2 on Jun 22, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
We'd also get 8 throw-ins to help restock the minors
by Brendanukkah on Jun 22, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
They're not going to get divorced, are they?
They need to have one more kid to have enough for a baseball team.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
by BubbaFan on Jun 22, 2009 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
rumor: noun
a currently circulating story or report of uncertain or doubtful truth
Where is this story circulating? If you’re just inventing it now, what is the point?
by ol Pete on Jun 22, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO rec'd
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jun 22, 2009 2:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
But not reply'd
/Moron goes back to work
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jun 22, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
we would have to clear too much payroll
big money fa’s
by Snake the Jake on Jun 22, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but we could put WMP in left
he’s awesome.
Bloop
by justin007000 on Jun 22, 2009 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
in a similar vein
Brett Tomko is right now losing games for the Yankees.
If only Bowden was still a GM- he would be in ex-Reds heaven right now.
by davidmac84 on Jun 22, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
probably not for much longer
I would guess Tomko gets the DFA within the week.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
by BubbaFan on Jun 22, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's been a standing prediction of mine since about 2000
Has any player been constantly employed, yet constantly on the verge of being DFA as long as Tomko? Maybe Chan Ho Park?
by Red Menace on Jun 22, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it's Tomko
Park was hurt for a while, which takes him out of the equation as far as I’m concerned. Rick Helling always seemed to be like this too. Aaron Sele always seemed to have a job despite 5+ ERAs. Sidney Ponson over the past 4-5 years.
But when it comes to long-term bare adequacy, Tomko is the living embodiment of replacement level. Thank god for Johnny Cueto, or else Tomko would stand alone as the only pitcher we’ve developed over the past 10 years.
by teb7 on Jun 22, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought of Ponson as well
Are there any position players like this? Kenny Lofton and Reggie Sanders spent their last years bouncing around on one year contracts, but they were almost always good.
by Red Menace on Jun 22, 2009 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Edwin has a 3-run homer and a walk in his first rehab appearance tonight
Homer Bailey has thrown 4 innings, giving up 1 run on a home run to Reid Gorecki. He allowed 3 hits in that first inning and just one since, striking out 6 along the way. Follow along here.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on Jun 22, 2009 8:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
sorry, this is Edwin's 2nd game
I meant first home run, but my words got all tangled up.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on Jun 22, 2009 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bailey gave up a HR?
Cut his ass.
"Power guys like Giambi and Dunn have always had high OPS because no one wants to pitch to them. But it takes two hits to score them from first." -- Harold Reynolds
by jch24 on Jun 22, 2009 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
86 pitches through 5 innings
that’s not very effective.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on Jun 22, 2009 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
pronto'd
Looks like he’s done now. Faltering a bit in the 7th, but he’s been pretty dominant again. I’d say he deserves the call for Saturday.
In other good news, Votto is almost definitely playing tomorrow. He’s in Toronto with the team as we speak.
Isn't there a slanket somewhere you should be filling with your farts?
by nycredsfan on Jun 22, 2009 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He made it through 7 innings
8 Ks, 2 BB, 6 H, 1 R, 115 pitches.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on Jun 22, 2009 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That splitter is agreeing with him
It’s good to see, I really hope he can have some success in the majors this year to give him a boost for next year.
Isn't there a slanket somewhere you should be filling with your farts?
by nycredsfan on Jun 22, 2009 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you know what?
fuck next year. i want him to dominate NOW.
maybe its the liquor talkin’, but there really isnt a good reason this team cant go for the gold this year, right? just get a bat for LF and a lockable box for Willy Taveras and the pitching could carry them to the playoffs.
You're so 2000 and late
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jun 22, 2009 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
jack daniels'd
Maybe trade Arroyo for that LF bat? Cool by me, as long as its not holliday
Isn't there a slanket somewhere you should be filling with your farts?
by nycredsfan on Jun 22, 2009 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
After all
The idea of a lockbox carried Al Gore to victory, did it not?
by Brendanukkah on Jun 22, 2009 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude, get someone to take Taveras in the deal and we're golden!
"Power guys like Giambi and Dunn have always had high OPS because no one wants to pitch to them. But it takes two hits to score them from first." -- Harold Reynolds
by jch24 on Jun 22, 2009 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looks like Votto could return tomorrow
He was on the team flight to Toronto
"Tigers love pepper...they hate cinnamon.
by cesarhernandez on Jun 22, 2009 9:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs























