Red Reposter: Be Nice to Willy Please
by Slyde on Jun 19, 2009 10:03 AM EDT
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This probably deserves its own post, but I'm starting to get sick of the whole Willy Taveras situation, and Dusty Baker is not making it any better. First he asks fans to be kind to Taveras while he struggles. Fine. I'm sure it's as hard for Willy to go through this slump as it is for us to watch it. But then, when Baker was asked about moving Taveras out of the leadoff spot, he said:
"I don't know," he responded. "You're asking me questions I really haven't had time to think of. The problem is, I had Jerry [Hairston Jr.] leading off and he wasn't getting on either."
Are you serious? You haven't had time over the last 3 weeks to think about moving a guy in one of the worst slumps in history out of the spot that gives him more ABs than any other? To paraphrase Office Space, what exactly is it that you do here? -
There are going to be a lot of big names in town this weekend for the Civil Rights game. I wasn't all that excited about this game when it was first announced, but it's really turning into a big deal. This should bring a lot of positive exposure to the city of Cincinnati and the Reds. Hopefully the team won't lay a big egg.
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John Erardi has a good article about Jerry Hairston Jr.'s ties to the Negro Leagues. This weekend is going to be special for him, I'm sure.
- If you didn't see the video of the woman from the Reds ground crew taking a spill during Tuesday's rain delay, see it here.
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Beyond The Box Score power rankings have the Reds staying steady at 25th. Justin has this to say:
Unfortunately, the Reds are similar to the Giants in that the power ranking thinks they've been lucky on both offense and defense. The Reds' offense started reasonably well, but this month has spiraled towards atrocious. And unfortunately, our estimates (or rather FanGraphs' estimates, as we're just using their wRC to estimate offense) think they've been lucky by about 13 runs on the season.
The offense has been lucky? Uh oh. -
BtB: The average baseball player is getting taller. And Leon's getting larrrrrger.
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Yahoo Sports Power Rankings have Reds at 13th. They make a funny about Dusty Baker too.
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Voted for sending him to AAA.
Though it could’ve easily been switched to a benching.
Moving him down in the order would be an improvement, but at this point I simply think he doesn’t belong in the everyday lineup at all. Releasing him is likewise unrealistic given current management disposition, and I do think he has some potential value as a pinch-runner/defensive replacement/4th or 5th Outfielder type. He’s not a high-quality player, but he’s better than he’s been playing. He has negative trade value at this point, considering his contract, so I don’t think that’s an option either.
I agree with you...
but unfortunately, given what was spent on him, I don’t think it’s possible for management to use him as a pinch runner/defensive replacement/4th or 5th outfielder. I’d like for him to be released, but of the options that might actually be possible, I’d have to pick sending him to AAA.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
I don't think they'll release him or send him to AAA.
Not with the second year on his contract. The best I could hope for would be the 4th OF job.
Isn't there a slanket somewhere you should be filling with your farts?
I wouldn't be surprised to see him go to AAA
He’s not doing anyone any good on the roster right now, and Dusty can’t keep running him out there with how bad he’s been. With his contract, I think they’ll be trying to sneak him through waivers here soon and give him the DFA.
"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san
Yeah, hopefully
Shoot, don’t sneak him through. Blow the trumpet that he’s going through waivers, maybe somebody will take him and his 4 million off our hands.
Isn't there a slanket somewhere you should be filling with your farts?
Honestly, I'm not entirely ready to give up on him
I would absolutely send him down to AAA, or at least the DL, and bring up Stubbs. But I still feel like his hamstring is bothering him. When he was actually getting on base the first month, he was sparking our team into surprising contention. He may have value, and since we’re stuck with the second year, I’m willing to see if he can realize that value.
But he’s had his chances for now.
by Brendanukkah on Jun 19, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
I'd be stunned if he went to the minors
Not to beat a dead horse but maybe, just maybe, a few days off might do Willy some good.
"We're going to Adonis, son"
jch24
I was at yesterday's game
Sitting 5 rows back of the 1st base dugout – the fan reaction to T-Virus was unpleasant to say the least. There was some guy in the stands who yelled out “we want Drew Stubbs;” oh wait, that was me.
by D-Rock on Jun 19, 2009 10:16 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
that got me
Will you stop it with the vegetables
by Man Mountain on Jun 19, 2009 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
A bunch of hockey players a suing a developer for using their money on porn parties for Rose and Morgan
The front page of today’s New York Post has a story focusing on Roger Clemens, but Pete and Joe are mentioned as attendees of some rather racey parties that were paid for, allegedly, with NHL players money. The NHLers thought they were investing in new Mexican resorts. But…:
Instead, the players say, Jowdy got rowdy, squandering their cold cash on “lavish parties” that included “various female porn stars, escorts, strippers [and] party girls” to impress Clemens, Reggie Jackson, banned star Pete Rose and ESPN announcer Joe Morgan, one of the suits filed in Los Angeles County Superior Court alleges.
"It's like my father used to say, "When I was a child, I thought as a child and spoke as a child. And when I became a man, I took that child out back and had him shot.' "
what kind of a question is that?
You're so 2000 and late
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jun 19, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
And when you add in that it's all tax-deductible...
Seriously, ken…what kind of question is that?
I can see you're not going to agree with me, so let's move on. - Bill Maher
by PeteyHendrix on Jun 19, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm with these fellers
If you think that’s excessive we might have to retest you for your man card. :)
"It seems as if every mistake I've ever made in life I've had an erection in one hand and a Bud Light in the other."
Thought you were going to say
If you think that’s excessive we might have to retest you for your man card hang out with me on a Tuesday.
Dusty is full of Crap!
Every week they interview that ignoramus and he has something half cocked to say about one of his players. I wish he’d choke on that toothpick! He’s gotta go. What’s Ron Oester doing these days?
Hey Meat!
Also:
Common, Dusty! That’s bullshit and we all know it. Nobody actually believes that you haven’t discussed doing something with Taveras. And you expect us to believe that?
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
The truth is out there Gray.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jun 19, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Ironic
There is a “race” of aliens referred to as grays. The big question is a style one though. You dress like any of those guys, Gray?
Ahhh yes, grays.
That takes me back to middle school when I used to read shit about aliens and men in black (not the Will Smith type) all the time.
/Nerd
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jun 19, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Seems like the right time to
break out <a href="http://Jack Van Impe on the extraterrestrial invasion on BoreMe" target="new">this bad boy again. Enjoy.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Jun 19, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Ha!
Those damned ETs and their perverted master are coming for my soul!!! I have to save it for baby Jesus!
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jun 19, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Crazy grammar police
set me up with your niece.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Jun 19, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm unclear about what it is exactly you do
Oh, duh, I thought you meant like a plumber or something, and I was like, When did that happen??
What do you mean, "blank slate"?
by boobs on Jun 19, 2009 11:07 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
that episode is the gift that keeps on giving this week
rec’d!
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
um
we said we’re sorry. jeesh.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
It's a good thing that had a disclaimer!
It could have been dangerous if they had apologized without explicitly ruling out taking any material responsibility.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
Yeah, i heard that's what took it a while to get passed
they wanted to make sure no one could claim reparations.
Isn't there a slanket somewhere you should be filling with your farts?
Yep.
That article also mentions that the House will vote on this resolution (i.e. with the stupid disclaimer) as well, but one Congressman wants it done by voice vote, since a “roll call could expose some fissures…” Meaning, I guess, that some jerk would vote against it.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
There's gotta be a rep. from South Carolina or Alabama or Mississippi
who would vote against it.
Isn't there a slanket somewhere you should be filling with your farts?
Strom Thurmond's ghost shall rise again!
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jun 19, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Have you been to the South dude?
He has ghosts/children all over.
"It seems as if every mistake I've ever made in life I've had an erection in one hand and a Bud Light in the other."
Those aren't ghosts/children those are his hordes of the undead.
BRAINS!!!! BRAINS!!!! BRAINS!!!!!
They have the same problem in Happy Valley.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jun 19, 2009 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions
julyteenth
is when Congress apologizes for slaughtering native americans, right?
"We're going to Adonis, son"
jch24
Ah yes,
and we all sit around on pox infested blankets and drink whiskey.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Jun 19, 2009 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
I would think they'd be more upset
about the team named after them being in Cleveland.
by Brendanukkah on Jun 19, 2009 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Nah dude, Holy Cross College.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Jun 19, 2009 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
that means
11 years ago today, Bubba Crosby became a pro baseball player.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Regarding the stupid Dusty quote.
I think this is another case of he does have an idea of what he wants to do, but he absolutely refuses to say anything negative about one of his players.
The fact that he didn’t support Taveras speaks volumes to me. The last few times it was brought up to him he said “quit razzing him” and “we need to get him going”
There was none of that this time, so I’m hopeful Dickerson gets a shot. Only problem is that there are lefties on the mound Sat. and Sunday……………Stubbs anyone?
Isn't there a slanket somewhere you should be filling with your farts?
Luke Hochevar's line last night vs Dbacks
4IP 7R
I assume he threw more than 80 pitches.
"We're going to Adonis, son"
jch24
From Lance's blog:
Taveras during his 14 game hit streak: 24-59 .407 avg
Taveras during all other games: 23-156 .147 avg
Since May 15, the day after his hitting streak ended:
8 for 94 .085 with 3 walks in 23 games played in
"We're going to Adonis, son"
jch24
Booing WT
Dusty needs to understand. When I boo when WT is at the plate I’m booing Dusty for putting him in the lineup (much like I boo when they announce Dusty’s name before the game).
I only boo players for not giving a good enough effort.
by RampantRedsFan on Jun 19, 2009 12:03 PM EDT reply actions
good point
I meant to say that my frustration is less with Willy and more with Dusty. Taveras is not trying to fail. I get that. That doesn’t justify leaving him in the lead-off spot though.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
Some people don't get that for some reason
They always assume you are booing the player, when most of the time you are booing the dumb ass coach who put the player in a position to fail.
If peeing your pants is cool, consider me Miles Davis.
Sometime the needs of the organization are larger than the ego of the player.
Dusty does not figure this in enough when he does his mental gymnastics.
Side note: Gymnastics are dangerous when done while sucking on pieces of dead trees.
I can see you're not going to agree with me, so let's move on. - Bill Maher
by PeteyHendrix on Jun 19, 2009 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions
So
Should I be shocked that a man who sat and watched Corey Patterson put up one of the worst seasons ever as an MLB leadoff hitter is now sitting and watching Willy Taveras do the same?
Or should I take this as a comforting sign that consistency of mind does indeed exist among postmodern man?
Will you stop it with the vegetables
It's worse than that
The Reds #1 and #2 hitters are last in the NL in, well, just about everything.
Oddly enough, they were just 2nd to last in 2008. The reason? Willy Taveras was leading off for the Rockies. I wish it weren’t true.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
holy guacamole
Does that mean Corey Patterson > Willy Taveras?
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
nah
It more likely means Jerry Hairston (2008), Chris Dickerson (2008), and Jay Bruce (2008) > Jerry Hairston (2009), Chris Dickerson (2009), and Alex Gonzalez
I think Taveras and Patterson are a wash.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
also
Taveras has already had 72 more PA leading off than Patterson had in all of 2008. He’s only hit slightly better there:
WT: .233/.286/.292
CP: .182/.217/.322
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
That .217 OBP is knock you down astonishing.
Why does it seem like the Reds are the only team making stupid roster/lineup decisions on a regular basis. I feel like most all of the other teams have figured out what makes a good baseball player except our manager and (to some extent) our GM.
Maybe I need to pay more attention to the rest of the league, but would any other team bat its two worst players at the top of the order for two weeks? (forget benching them for better options from the bench)
Isn't there a slanket somewhere you should be filling with your farts?
With an overall line of .219/.270/.274,
Taveras’s OPS (.545) is now well below Patterson’s (.582) for all of 2008. He’s on his way to having a lower OBP as well, but Patterson’s was .238 so he’s not there yet…
Taveras’s OP+ is 43. Patterson’s in 2008 was 48. But at least he wasn’t as bad as this year? Through 13 PAs, Corey’s OPS+ is -59.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
Ok, you got me
The Nats are the other team making consistently stupid roster/lineup decisions. At least we’re keeping good company
Isn't there a slanket somewhere you should be filling with your farts?
Last year, CoPat had an OPS+ of 48
So far this year, Taveras has an OPS+ of 43.
by Brendanukkah on Jun 19, 2009 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Is Tavaras nailing his daughter this year now that Patterson is gone?
If peeing your pants is cool, consider me Miles Davis.
The Tigers are benching Magglio?!?
and we’re stuck watching the Willy/Agon suckfest?
This has to end soon, right? Clearly someone in the front office can understand the value of having the ballclubs best hitters get the most at bats and having the worst hitters get the fewest, right?
"We're going to Adonis, son"
jch24
I don't know. You're asking me questions I really haven't had time to think of.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on Jun 19, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
rec'd sir
Funny how a bunch of bloggers have seemingly thought more about the lineup than the team’s manager. That’s pretty sad for us, and for Dusty.
Isn't there a slanket somewhere you should be filling with your farts?
Well
Dusty’s busy with his iPod, hunting, fishing…et al. You know, that well rounded bullshit lauded by Daugherty. I think I’d rather have a dead pheasant hitting leadoff.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Jun 19, 2009 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Magglio has an option for something like 18 million
It’s based on plate appearances and he’s hitting around .270 with a couple HRs. No brainer.
he's hitting .270?
so why is he benched? he could sue for that if they’re just trying to save money.
The Reds and White Sox will wear 1964 uniforms Saturday
"It seems as if every mistake I've ever made in life I've had an erection in one hand and a Bud Light in the other."
That's the only reason I posted it, surprised me too
"It seems as if every mistake I've ever made in life I've had an erection in one hand and a Bud Light in the other."
Where the Hell Did 10 Years Ago?
That’s a 1976 Topps card showing the White Sox, not 1964. You want the 1965 Topps.
GIS in a hurry
You can find a pic here since I don’t have the time to dig one up. Mea Culpa.
"It seems as if every mistake I've ever made in life I've had an erection in one hand and a Bud Light in the other."
Funny
Jim O’Toole will likely be in on our party for the game on Sat. It will probably be amusing for him to see the current Reds in one of his old uniforms…. against the team he ended up with in his final season.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Jun 19, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Jonny Gomes will be in his #31
Wonder if I’ll be able to talk Jim into a sombrero.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Jun 19, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Party? And I wasn't invited?
Is it because I refuse to wear pants?
"It seems as if every mistake I've ever made in life I've had an erection in one hand and a Bud Light in the other."
Nah
It’s work related for the wife. Got a suite. Roughing it.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Jun 19, 2009 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Slyde, now that I know you're down with Arrested Development,
here’s some material for tonight’s game thread / recap:
“I may have committed some gulp light treason.”
He sits alone...Reds are not home.
Another link to pass on
South Side Sox did a Reds preview, and did a pretty good job with it. They don’t mention dominant bullpen arm Nick Masset, who they gave us for Junya.
"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san
Oh man...
Wow a Double Kick In The Nuts
Fay’s Twitter says:
Yonder Alonso broke a hand yesterday and is now on the DL.
and
Mike Leake has “Serious” Tendonitis, and is done for atleast the rest of the CWS.
Find me on MySpace- http://www.myspace.com/mixfmkyle
the reds haven't signed Leake yet
this could save them some money, and give them some leverage, if it isn’t a serious problem. A lot of pitchers go through boughts of tendonitis.
Bloop
by justin007000 on Jun 19, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe now Votto can stop stressin' about Yonder taking his job
by Brendanukkah on Jun 19, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I would think that taking Yonder's job in Sarasota should have alleviated that some
"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san
by BK on Jun 19, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
We don't know how bad it is yet
but is he misses 2-3 months, this could really delay Yonder making it to MLB. It may be September 2010 before we see him now.
Find me on MySpace- http://www.myspace.com/mixfmkyle
I call early June 2010
To avoide being a super two.
/ashjimdaylovechild
"It seems as if every mistake I've ever made in life I've had an erection in one hand and a Bud Light in the other."
Leake's mechanics are terrible
Whip action with a inverted W.
by Johnnypronto on Jun 19, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Doug from Redsminorleagues.com
Say Yonder broke his “hamate bone” in his hand, and while long-term recovery is good, it has been known to zap power for around a year after coming back.
Find me on MySpace- http://www.myspace.com/mixfmkyle
well fortunatly he has plenty of time
as long as he can be ready by 2011, it is alright.
Bloop
by justin007000 on Jun 19, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
that's what happened to Andy Phillips
He got hit on the hand and broke his hamate bone, at the end of his last season with the Yankees. Really a bummer, since he was playing very well.
They usually remove the hamate bone when that happens, because you heal faster. The surgeon rearranges the tendons and whatnot, so you don’t lose any control.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
That's what they did with mine, I now have 205 bones
/no jokes please
"It seems as if every mistake I've ever made in life I've had an erection in one hand and a Bud Light in the other."
Been there
I broke my left one (I bat RH) and couldn’t drive a ball for a long time. Granted this was softball, but still. Wanna see my scar? :)
"It seems as if every mistake I've ever made in life I've had an erection in one hand and a Bud Light in the other."
justin'd
"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san
by BK on Jun 19, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
That's what she said.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
by Gray on Jun 19, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Really, I'm the first to rec this?
"It seems as if every mistake I've ever made in life I've had an erection in one hand and a Bud Light in the other."
boobs my friend, you have NOT aged gracefully judging by that photo
"It seems as if every mistake I've ever made in life I've had an erection in one hand and a Bud Light in the other."
"So time for our big announcement...."
“You die, succubus!!!!”
(insert flamethrower scene here)
"It seems as if every mistake I've ever made in life I've had an erection in one hand and a Bud Light in the other."
And Gonzalez out of #2...
Though he’s replaced in that spot by Cherry, and somehow Hanigan is dropped to #8.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
I don't really mind that.
Hanigan gets on base, the pitcher bunts him over, and then we don’t have Taveras batting. Everyone wins!
Phone's ringing, Dude.
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