Red Reposter - 6/12/09
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Brandon Phillips vented about the struggling offense
"Honestly, I feel like we shoulda lost every game [of the series]. We're not hitting the ball. Our pitching staff is doing the job, but two runs is not good enough. "This [Nationals] team right now, they're down, they're in last place ... it's just terrible how we hit the ball. Honestly, in my opinion, I feel like we shoulda lost every game." -
This one made me wince
When an out-of-town beatwriter (I'm assuming from Baltimore) ask Dusty what Ramon Hernandez has done for the team so far, he replied, "Ramon could be our MVP, actually. Without Joey Votto, well, the way he has played first base and the way he has caught. He's our best two-out when you need a base hit clutch guy. Plus, he has been great on the team, a great attitude and between him and Alex Gonzalez coming back are the two most important guys we've had in our lineup."
Is he serious? I'm hoping this was one of those situations where he wanted to say something nice about the guy because he has been a positive guy on the team thus far, but to say he could be the best player we have? I really hope Dusty was just shooting from the hip here because if he truly believes that Ramon Hernandez is the MVP of this team so far then he has a serious malfunction in the way he evaluates talent. And that is no slight to Hernandez, who's been more than a fine replacement for the crap we had catching last year. Maybe I'm just overreacting to a throwaway line from Dusty. I hope so. But then what about the crap about Gonzo? Dude's the worst player on the team. Ugh. -
Micah Owings threw a lot of pitches yesterday
and failed to get through the 6th inning. It broke a streak of 7 quality starts from the Reds staff. "I’m going to keep working," Owings said. "It might not be apparent, but I feel like I’ve made strides here as opposed to my first two years in Arizona." -
The Fay has a few suggestions on how to help the Reds offense
He says there is a chance that Votto will be back on Tuesday. He thinks the Reds are pretty sure of when he'll be back, but they arent saying anything about it (for obvious reasons). If that doesnt happen though, he suggests bringing up some of the kids. Drew Stubbs, Chris Heisey, and Todd Frazier are the names he brings up. He also suggests making a trade, naming Mark DeRosa and reviving the Jermaine Dye deal. He says the Reds are deep in pitching at AA, in addition to Homer Bailey and 1st round pick Mike Leake.
Here's what I think: First off, the pitching talent in the minors is far from deep. I like Travis Wood and Zach Stewart, but I hardly believe what we have consitutes depth. The real depth is in hitting prospects. Moving on, if the Reds are going to make a run at the division, they arent going to do it with this lineup. So bring up Stubbs to play CF. Taveras can be a pinch-runner for all I care. Frazier should come up to play 3B or LF. I have a feeling that EdE will not play again this year, so we might as well forget about him. Whereever Frazier does not play, we need to trade for someone. I dont like Dye, and I've given my reasons a hundred times before, but I'm sure there is someone out there who is cheap enough and good enough.
DeRosa is just a rich man's Jerry Hairston, so I dont see how that helps. Adrian Beltre could be a nice pickup, but who knows if the M's will trade him. I dont like Matt Holliday so much because I fear that he will cost too much in prospects. I dont think we need to get a top-o-the-line hitter like him anyway. The pitching is going to carry this team as far as it will go, so the hitting needs only to be average. How about bringing back Felipe Lopez to play 3B? Is that crazy? As The Fay says, Walt has made these kinda deals before, so I'm pretty confident in his ability to do the right thing here. The biggest will be forgetting about Willy Taveras and bringing up Drew Stubbs. -
Chad at RLN disagrees with The Fay concerning Gonzo's defense
The Fay says here that "anyone who sees him on a daily basis will tell you he's been outstanding". I think I've seen at least 75% of the innings played thus far this season, and my humble opinion is that Gonzo has definitely lost a step. I dont think he's Jeff Keppinger horrible, but he's certainly not the top-notch defensive SS this team signed to a multi-million dollar contract just a few years ago. His knee injury has really sapped his range, and while he can still make a dazzling play with his glove he's just not getting to as many as he used to. And he cant hit. -
Redleg Nation has their latest installment of RLN Radio
They discuss Joey Votto and Edwin Enncarnacion, the draft, and good ol' Dusty Baker. -
Ted Keith at SI has his weekly power rankings
and the Reds have slipped one spot to #12. -
FanGraphs looks at their new pitch-type linear weights
to determine the best fastball in the majors this year. So who do you think it is? Tim Lincecum? Justin Verlander? Jonathan Papelbon? Tim Wakefield?
You thought I was joking, didnt you?
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Yeah, that comment about Hernandez kills me
and as much as I don’t like BP sometimes, he says some really true things (that’s real talk, dawg) and if I were him I wouldn’t appreciate Raymoan being called the MVP. BP has basically carried the team offensively in Joey’s absence.
Also, I’m all for calling up Stubbs and benching Taveras, but not because Stubbs would be a major offensive upgrade. He would be better for sure, but he’s only OPSing .799 right now and that luck factor thing-a-ma-jiggy at minorleaguesplits.com says he should really be OPSing .737. I don’t know how much to trust that, and that would still be better than T-Virus, but the point is that he’s not going to be an offensive savior. Still, get him up here and get him experience so he can be the CF of the future.
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by nycredsfan on Jun 12, 2009 12:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
but stubbs started out so fucking cold
Bloop
by justin007000 on Jun 12, 2009 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My sure-fire plan to save the Reds offense
1. DFA Lincoln, send down Rosales, injure Gonzales so you can DL him.
2. Bring up Stubbs and Frazier.
2a. Make a decision about Edwin – is he the 3b for this team, or not? Personally, I vote not because of the 3b depth the Reds have in the minors. But then again, what the hell kind of return would the Reds get on Edwin at this point?
3. Platoon Gomes and Nix in LF, let Stubbs and C-Dick play CF.
3a. (More of a long term move) Make a decision soon about the long term answer to 1b and LF. Votto’s current battle with anxiety complicates things a little, but I think the Reds have to consider giving Votto some experience in LF eventually to make room for Alonso at 1b. Barring a trade of Votto or Alonso, I don’t think the Reds have any other options.
4. Allow Janish to play SS with Hairston backing him up. Long term – pray that Cozart’s bat keeps improving.
I’m sure I forgot something, but the biggest thing to me is the long term answers. 3b, LF, CF, and SS all seem like question marks over the next 1-3 years. I’m assuming Walt has a plan and it ends in a Reds World Series run in 2011.
by D-Rock on Jun 12, 2009 12:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh, and just so there is no confusion
Dude Rock is not my alter ego or anything.
by D-Rock on Jun 12, 2009 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What do you do with Taveras?
Bench him? So Rosales goes down and now you’ve got 6 outfielders?
I got to go down to the stadium and whip batteries at the players on both teams. - Philly Boy Roy
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jun 12, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes to benching Taveras
As far as the infielders – the bench would be Hairston to cover 3b/2b/SS; Frazier can play multiple positions; Hernandez or Gomes as an emergency 1b(?)…..yeah that’s a problem I suppose.
I knew there was a reason why I never became a GM.
by D-Rock on Jun 12, 2009 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think you guys realize that benching Taveras would hurt his feelings.
That’s just not Dusty’s M.O.
He sits alone...Reds are not home.
by Gapper on Jun 12, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
All this sounds good D, but with the success that dusty and the this team has had up to now, I wouldn't be holding my breath and anything
From the Red’s persspective..‘If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it’ – and right now we are pretty competitive.
Sweat plus sacrifice equals another useless out. Mads
by Madville on Jun 12, 2009 1:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Red's?
"We're going to Adonis, son"
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by obc2 on Jun 12, 2009 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone here able to post Micah's ytd statistics?
"We're going to Adonis, son"
jch24
by obc2 on Jun 12, 2009 1:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I tried but my formatting was all nasty
So how about a link instead:
by D-Rock on Jun 12, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
micah should heve got the win last night
…he was harranged !
Nobody listens to Andrew
by nlt-andrew68 on Jun 12, 2009 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Frazier and Stubbs
I dont know if I would call him up yet. He hasnt hit for much power yet at AA. I think he needs to go to AAA for the rest of the year just to develope his power some more. He and Heisley both need to be in AAA right now though so we can make the decision of whether or not they are ready.
I would also give Stubbs until Sept before calling him up. He also has not been hitting with any power and has cooled off in the past couple of weeks.
by CamIam on Jun 12, 2009 1:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
im not worried about Stubbs
power isnt his game. coming out of Texas everyone drooled over his power potential because he can hit a ball 475 feet. but the Reds decided to cut down his swing to reduce his Ks and that has sapped his power. and im ok with that. his LD% jumped from 12-15% to 20-24% and while he’s not hitting many HRs, he’s hitting many more doubles. his OBP could be .370 in the majors right now. pair that with the best defensive glove in CF in the NL and youve got yourself a 4 WAR player.
as for Frazier, he’s slugging .500 right now. how is that not hitting for much power? and as for giving him time in AAA, i dont know if that is really necessary. most AAA teams’ pitching staffs are full of AAAA players, while most AA teams are where they stash their real prospects. so i dont think the level of difficulty is really all that different from AA to AAA.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jun 12, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Frazier
is hitting a ton of doubles in AA, but he hasnt hit many homers. He would definitely be an improvement over what we have in Cincy but I would rather give him time in AAA just to make sure we are not rushing him. I always like to see the minor league guys turn the potential power into real HR power before being called up to the majors. Stubbs and Frazier both have the potential but havent hit that many homers yet. I wouldnt want to lower their ceiling by calling them to the majors too soon.
by CamIam on Jun 12, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is an interesting question to me
Does bringing up a Frazier or Stubbs right now really lower their ceiling?
I could see that argument related to Alonso, who has fewer than 200 professional ABs, but you have to think that Frazier and especially Stubbs are experienced enough in pro ball that they’d be ok. There would definitely be major adjustments to be made, but I don’t think their growth is going to be stunted or anything, especially related to power numbers
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by nycredsfan on Jun 12, 2009 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i dont think Stubbs will hit many homers
because of the change in his swing i talked about. it’s much more compact now, so he’s not striking out as much. he could probably hit 10 dingers a season, but i dont see him hitting many more than that.
as for Frazier, he’s pretty polished as a hitter as of now. he hit 19 last year and will probably hit 20-25 in his prime. his power is more doubles power as well (24 so far this year in 54 games).
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jun 12, 2009 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and that doubles power is totally ok with me
for three reasons
1) GABP will turn a bunch of doubles into homers
2) If Alonso, Votto, Frazier, and BP all hit 20-25 a year, and add Bruce’s 30-35, that’s a bunch of homers.
3) The OBP potential of all of those guys (save BP) will add up to plenty of offense, homers or not.
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by nycredsfan on Jun 12, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thinking about this,
I know it’s been discussed before, but this team is seriously OBP deficient, but how amazing of an OBP lineup could we possibly have as early as next year?
Potential lineup with career OBPs
1B-Alonso-.367
2B-Phillips-.311
3B-Frazier-.377
SS-Cozart-.332
LF-Votto-.385
CF-Stubbs-.369
RF-Bruce-.311 (but minors OBP was .367)
C-Hanigan-.387 (.383 in minors)
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by nycredsfan on Jun 12, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i dont know why you would post something like this
it’s just irresponsible.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jun 12, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
great list
although, one has to wonder if Cozart would ever hit enough, and most people think Frazier would have a tough time with the glove at 3rd Base
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by MixFMKyle on Jun 12, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I haven't heard that about Frazier
I’m not saying you’re wrong, but I thought the problem was he didn’t have the range for SS, but could handle 3B just fine. The reason he’s playing LF right now is so Juan Francisco can play 3B.
That is an issue, though. If he came up right now to play 3B he might have some serious defensive adjustments to make…………….on the other hand, could he be any worse than Cherry?
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by nycredsfan on Jun 12, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You think Cherry is bad at third?
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
by Gray on Jun 12, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ummmmmmm, yeah i do
wait, are you just doing that asking a question thing again?
Damn you Gray!! (shaking fist)
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by nycredsfan on Jun 12, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know...
am I?
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by Gray on Jun 12, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im not neccesarily disagreeing with you
If our scouts think their development will not be impaired then by all means I think we should bring them up. Put Frazier at 3rd until EDE comes back and move him to left when EDE arrives.
by CamIam on Jun 12, 2009 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stubbs needs to be in CF
He’s a better fielder than Taveras, he can run almost as fast, and I’m willing to bet he will OBP at least .330 in the big leagues. Anyone in the Reds’ front office who did not anticipate Taveras being a disaster should be fired. When you can only OBP .300 in Colorado, you are not a major league regular. You are a pinch runner and defensive replacement, which is what Taveras should be. Forget about the damn salary and bench him already. Moving him to the No. 2 spot is not the answer.
Trading for a 3B seems imperative if we want to win this year, as EE can’t be counted on to return, and Hairston and Rosales are playing at AAA levels. Beltre probably makes the most sense—he’s got a good glove and presumably being in the weaker league/GABP would raise his production from his current .258/.294/.367 debacle.
Scott Rolen would be perfect if he weren’t under contract for $11m next year—I think that’s a bit too much money to take such an injury risk.
by teb7 on Jun 12, 2009 2:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
problem with Beltre
is the LAST thing the Reds need is that .294 OBP added to our lineup. we already have enough of that. While AB plays tremendous D, the only way I am interested is if Seattle pays a hunk of the contract or takes back a bad contract (i.e. Lincoln or Taveras – not likely to happen). Also the prospect shouldn’t be very much.
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by MixFMKyle on Jun 12, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stubbs is interesting prospect
but again why not just play Dickerson in CF. With Chris BB% its hard for him to fall below 350 OBP. He actually had a better record in the minors as far as power. He is pretty close to GG level at CF.
Doesnt make sense to continue to give him PA – fans act like he is not producing at the major league level when between 08/09 his line reads 390 OBP wOBA 376 UZR/150 38 in CF.
I mean that is a pretty interesting line for a player with his first MLB experience. Lets see what Dickerson can produce with full time playing time in CF and then decide in 2010 between Stubbs and Dickerson.
by davidmac84 on Jun 12, 2009 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i like Dickerson too
but he cannot play against lefties. he is a strict platoon player. i wouldnt mind seeing Dickerson as the #1 CF with Taveras against righties, but if we are going to give Dickerson the starting job we should platoon him with Hairston. signing Taveras was just all kinds of a bad idea.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jun 12, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Small sample size (41 PAs) and all...
but Dickerson’s career OPS (.688) is higher than Taveras’s OPS for his career (.661) or this year (.594). Taveras’s career OPS vs. lefties is actually .643 in 599 PAs.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
by Gray on Jun 12, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dickerson's career OPS vs. lefties, that is.
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by Gray on Jun 12, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
Taveras is worthless. that’s why i like Hairston better in a platoon.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jun 12, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm also saying
Dickerson hasn’t shown himself to be worthless against lefties.
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by Gray on Jun 12, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, yeah he has
.647 career minor-league OPS against LHP in 458 ABs.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jun 12, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He has no power...
but what’s his OBP in those PAs?
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by Gray on Jun 12, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dickerson
I agree that he hasn’t been given a fair shake—he should’ve been the one in CF all along this year instead of Tavares—but when Stubbs comes up he belongs in CF. We’re not going to bring him up just to bench him. He’s been in the minors for 3 and a half seasons now. Let’s see what he can do.
I think Dickerson should definitely play over Nix, but Nix has been pretty scrappy lately so that’s not gonna happen anytime soon. Dickerson/Gomes platoon would be the best thing going. With Stubbs in CF, Gomes’s horrible fielding won’t hurt as much, and Dickerson/Tavares could always come in as a sub.
by teb7 on Jun 12, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reds are fast approaching a glut of OF
CF- Dickerson/ Stubbs Heisey(does he have the speed or will he be moved to LF
RF- hopefully Bruce for the next 6 years.
LF- if Alonso is slotted for 2010 summer call-up- Votto would have to transition to LF along with Nix assuming Frazier moves back to 3rd base.
So I could see either Dickerson or Stubbs to be included in trade talks depending on how Walt wants to play it out.
I also could see the A’s being very interested in Dickerson as a upgrade to Raja Davis/ Ryan Sweeney combo. Walt could go for the big trade for Holliday or try to tap into the A’s minor league pitching depth.
by davidmac84 on Jun 12, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
FWIW (not much)
Hernandez has been pretty dang good with 2 outs (318/423/862) and with RISP (308/453/837)
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by Man Mountain on Jun 12, 2009 2:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
luck'd and small sample size'd
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by nycredsfan on Jun 12, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sure, but what Dusty said about him being "clutch" this season seems defensible
the MVP thing is just jaw-flappin’
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by Man Mountain on Jun 12, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Charlie, I rarely disagree with your keen insight,
but I don’t believe Gonzo is our worst player. I think that award is available for several other candidates, including, Taveras, Lincoln, and Burton. I’d also throw Rosales in before Gonzo, and EdE when he was playing.
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by gejoe on Jun 12, 2009 3:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
he tops the list if we are sticking to players
and throw Mark Berry in there too!
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by gejoe on Jun 12, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rosales has been very bad
and the frustating thing about Adam is his fundamentals are so horrible for an utitlity IF.
He has to protect Phillips to block that throw. And he seems not to move his feet and tries for back hand stabs at 3rd base.
by davidmac84 on Jun 12, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah we certainly have a number of really bad players (AGAIN!!!!)
but i would say the Gonzo is the one who takes it. relief pitchers just dont play enough to suck as much, so i wont count them. but among those listed, here are their RAR numbers from Fangraphs:
Gonzo: -1.1
Rosie: 0.6
T-Virus: -1.6
EdE: -6.8(!!)
EdE was scientifically bad in his short stint, and im 100% convinced that his wrist was broken in ST and the Reds did nothing about it. maybe im just rationalizing his bad play because i like him, but there it is.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jun 12, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So why pick Gonzo over Taveras?
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by Gray on Jun 12, 2009 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
because
that’s why.
i think my dislike for Gonzo is mostly rooted in management’s ridiculous assessment of his value. he’s one of the best SS in the game, at least according to Dusty. of course, he says the same thing about Taveras right? i guess i’ll call it a wash. they are equally bad.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jun 12, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think
Gonzalez is better than he’s shown us. He hasn’t been healthy this season.
Of course, he may never be fully healthy again, at this point in his career.
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by BubbaFan on Jun 12, 2009 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I understand your take on relief pitchers
but their ineffectiveness has been substantial, and put more of a workload on the others who have been very impressive to this point. But I fear the “good ones” will begin to tire more rapidly as the season progresses, due to their overuse, because of the others’ ineffectiveness. Plus, they are keeping some quality arms down on the farm.
Therefore, I include them on the “worst player” list. They have been more directly responsible for a higher percentage of losses due to their limited time than the position players.
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by gejoe on Jun 12, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Goodness
Did anyone else catch the defensive inning Milton Bradley just had himself in the top of the 7th?
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by Man Mountain on Jun 12, 2009 4:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nope, what was it?
"It seems as if every mistake I've ever made in life I've had an erection in one hand and a Bud Light in the other."
by jch24 on Jun 12, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, let's just say he didn't catch it either
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by Man Mountain on Jun 12, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fuck you, Dusty.
tonight’s lineup via Fya:
Willy Taveras 8
Alex Gonzalez 6
Brandon Phillips 4
Laynce Nix 7
Ramon Hernandez 3
Jay Bruce 9
Jonny Gomes DH
Ryan Hanigan 2
Adam Rosales 5
Matt Maloney 1
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