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Injury notes on Votto and Taveras

From Will Carroll:

Joey Votto (30 DXL)
I won’t get all personal here, but UTK exists in large part because of panic attacks. That makes me feel for Votto and Greene as they go through different situations. Votto’s “stress-related issues” are vague, but in a day and age where mental health doesn’t carry the stigma that it once did, it’s good that both are able to get the care they need without having to face the kinds of issues or taunting that players of the past did.

Willy Taveras (3 DXL)
It’s never good when a speed guy is having leg problems. It’s worse when said speed guy doesn’t really have any other skills. Taveras was brought to Cincinnati because he’s fast. Now that he has a strained hamstring, the worry is that the Reds don’t have the depth to cope, especially with Votto out as well. Dusty Baker has plenty of options for the outfield with Chris Dickerson and Jerry Hairston Jr. (especially once Edwin Encarnacion is back in a few weeks), but there’s a stylistic adjustment that Baker will need to make as well. Without Votto and Encarnacion, the team lacks power. Without Taveras, the team lacks speed as well. Managers usually don’t balance the two, swinging from one to the other; teams either “wait on homers” or they “manufacture runs” in the old-school way. Lacking both, Baker is going to shift where he can and look to his pitching staff. (Of course, getting Baker focused on pitching is seldom a good thing.) Taveras’ hamstring has been lingering for over a week, so even if he avoids the DL, look for Baker to get Taveras some days off, especially if he can find ways to string them together.

by D-Rock on Jun 1, 2009 12:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah,

just ask Zack Cry-nke.

He sits alone...Reds are not home.

by Gapper on Jun 1, 2009 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Perhaps it's because I'm an idiot

but I’m not that worried about the last three games. Annoyed, yes, Worried no. I do think that Cincy’s pitching is better than what we saw on Saturday and Sunday. Do I think this team has been performing over its head? Yes. But I also think St. Louis has as well. If we drop the first two in St. Louis, then yeah, I’ll be worried. But until then

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans

by Farneyismycopilot on Jun 1, 2009 12:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree

While I definitely think we could have easily won 2 of the 3 this weekend, we are still only 3 1/2 back from first. As long as our pitching returns to form (and Volky is back so hopefully he can pick back up and show everyone he can be an Ace) and if the hitters will just calm down and see the ball a little better, I don’t see it as reason to panic. Every good team gets swept at some point or another, at least we didn’t drop 3 to the Nats!

by wishfuldrifter on Jun 1, 2009 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah

im not worried about the team because of the sweep, but it certainly wasnt fun. i was really hyped coming off the series against the Astros and i think maybe i got myself too lathered up over that and this really knocked me down a peg. but im not worried.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Jun 1, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

we'll see where they are when i return on the 15th

ps i love free wi-fi in dayton airport

Bloop

by justin007000 on Jun 1, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

RLN says Yonder was just promoted to AA

Am I late to the party or was this already noted on here?

by wishfuldrifter on Jun 1, 2009 12:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Nope, it just happened this morning

Alonso to AA, Gualdron off the DL to A+

"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san

by BK on Jun 1, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

good good

i was ok with Yonder starting in A+ as long as he was quickly promoted if he performed. this pleases me.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Jun 1, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, me too

I just really hope this isn’t due to a major concern with Votto’s long term future, like they’re going to rush Alonso up to replace him.

Isn't there a slanket somewhere you should be filling with your farts?

by nycredsfan on Jun 1, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn't worry too much

it’s more likely because he hit .362/.439/.543 in May, including a 37% line drive rate. They probably figured that he’d seen enough in Sarasota.

That Carolina offense should be solid now.

"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty

by Slyde on Jun 1, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Carolina or Louisville

Shouldn’t some of that Carolina offense be heading to Louisville soon?

by rojosoto on Jun 1, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Isn't Logan Parker at 1st in Carolina?

Is he going to lose playing time?

If peeing your pants is cool, consider me Miles Davis.

by btcoop71 on Jun 1, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It certainly looks that way

Although, he’ll continue to get ABs as a DH, and really should be moved up to AAA to replace Kevin Barker, who’s not a prospect. Parker’s done enough in Carolina so far this season to warrant a move up the ladder.

"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san

by BK on Jun 1, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Positions

Parker played left field Friday and Saturday, then 1B on Sunday.
He’s hitting .252 with a .733 OPS

I’d have Todd Frazier ahead of him on the depth chart. He played 1B, DH, then LF on Fri-Sat-Sun, respectively. He’s also played some 3B, and prior to this year a lot of SS.
He’s hitting .326 with an .861 OPS

by rojosoto on Jun 1, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

shut up

i dont think that’s even a thought that should cross anyone’s mind just yet.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Jun 1, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Work with a girl

that hangs out with Reds players. I think the Votto situation is going to be much bigger than anyone realizes.

Apparently there are three people – total – that know what’s going on. Dusty, Jocketty, and Ryan Hanigan, who is Votto’s best friend on the team.

by bobestes on Jun 1, 2009 3:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

oh

She also says that Homer Bailey is an asshole, and that all the players on this years’ team hated Junior and Dunn.

by bobestes on Jun 1, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ask her who has the biggest junk

because I am sure she has seen them all

by jacob brumfield on Jun 1, 2009 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

junior and dunn

that’s why they were so hated

by rojosoto on Jun 1, 2009 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hope he didn't hook up with Karen Sypher

If peeing your pants is cool, consider me Miles Davis.

by btcoop71 on Jun 1, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If there are only 3 people who know what's going on,

how can this lady have any clue?

He sits alone...Reds are not home.

by Gapper on Jun 1, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

well

all I know is that she’s being told that he’s never had anxiety attacks before – and if he were, none of the players are aware. so there goes that theory.

so it’s something else. and players don’t just go on the DL because of stress. it’s got to be something pretty fucked up.

by bobestes on Jun 1, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

or it could be Labrynthitis

Thanks to BF for the heads up on this:

Chronic anxiety is a common side effect of labyrinthitis which can produce tremors, heart palpitations, panic attacks, derealization and depression. Often a panic attack is one of the first symptoms to occur as labyrinthitis begins. While dizziness can occur from extreme anxiety, labyrinthitis itself can precipitate a panic disorder.

"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty

by Slyde on Jun 1, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

sounds about right

Also somewhere I read that he was stressed that he got dizzy and didn’t feel better in a short amount of time. But that’s what happens when you come down with inner ear problems. Usually they go away. Often they don’t and you adjust.

It also makes sense that he went ahead and hit but felt bad when he was fielding. He’s whipping his head around and there is a lot of visual motion around him.

by ol Pete on Jun 1, 2009 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

even if it's not the ear infection

anxiety attacks usually don’t start in childhood. First incidence is usually in adolescence or adulthood. Even as late as middle age. So you wouldn’t necessarily expect Votto to have experienced them before, if that is what the problem is.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Jun 1, 2009 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

it shouldn't be...

I’m pretty sure MLB or the team dictates which jerseys they are to wear depending on whether there are special events, if they’re at home, away and of course it depends which team you bat for…

oh

by the_howler on Jun 1, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

If you had to go on the DL for being gay

I’m fairly certain a lot more Reds would be missing PT. And that is no dig.

"I lay my head on the railroad tracks, and wait for the double E"- Warren Zevon

by Colin Auscapee on Jun 1, 2009 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

imagine the pressure

i mean, aside from billy bean, there hasn’t been an out ballplayer – in any sport that i can think of.

by Daedalus on Jun 1, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

there have been a few football players

and as I recall, it didn’t go over too well.

And I think there is a difference between being out in the clubhouse and out to the public. I would bet there are many players who are the former but not the latter.

"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty

by Slyde on Jun 1, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Joey was gay, I doubt Hanigan would say this:

“I’ve known Joey a long time,” Reds catcher Ryan Hanigan said. “Stuff like this can happen to anybody. Now that it’s getting addressed, he can get some peace with the things going on. I don’t really want to talk about it, but I want him to know we’ve got his back. He knows that. He’ll get it right and come back as soon as he can.”

by jacob brumfield on Jun 1, 2009 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

three

Three people know why Votto is out. Dusty, Walt, and Hanigan.

by bobestes on Jun 1, 2009 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

John Amaeche?

Something like that. Guy that used to play for, I believe, the Utah Jazz.

by Brendanukkah on Jun 1, 2009 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Penn State, then the Magic and Jazz

He’s British, so it wasn’t a total shocker.

by ken on Jun 1, 2009 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hopefully

one of those 3 will let Votto in on what’s going on.

by rojosoto on Jun 1, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is anyone else a little nervous about Harang?

His little 123-minute delay stunt was followed by a bad performance. Shades of his misuse in San Diego last year?

I’m personally inclined to think he caught a good hitting team who are in a groove, but we can’t afford to have him damaged for this season.

He sits alone...Reds are not home.

by Gapper on Jun 1, 2009 3:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm giving him 2 more starts before I worry

He threw more fastballs and fewer sliders than he had all season. I’ll give him a couple of games to show me that it was nothing more than bad strategy before I start to worry.

"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty

by Slyde on Jun 1, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i think i heard Thom talk about it yesterday

at least, i think that’s where i got it. anyway, Harang said his off-speed stuff was non-existent, and the only pitch he had working was the fastball. so once the Brewers caught on, he turned into Derrick Turnbow.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Jun 1, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

RE: Attendance

reading some of the comments on Hal’s blog, some of the reasons for not attending

-Cost, nearly all fans have to commute: gas, parking, meals, etc.
-do not like unfair bashing of blacks
   *"What a shame, i just wish the media could find a black Adam Rosales to hang onto."
-can only bear to watch one loser -Bengals
—Tivo, radio, internet easier than going to park
-the Reds suck
-Reds ownership sucks
-Reds fans suck

-My favorite:

I don’t attend Reds games for the same reason I don’t attend much else: No one to go with. When I was young, I’d go to games with my father or grandfather, and later I’d go with a buddy or a nephew. Now, I have no one who shares my interests or has the time to go. Attending alone is not my idea of fun, whether it’s a game or a movie.

So Hal the stadium is empty because Reds fans are poor, mad, sad, lazy, racist, and lonely

by jacob brumfield on Jun 1, 2009 5:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

it's too bad that the reds charge money to go to games

obviously other teams let fans see games for free and give them free food and all.

by Daedalus on Jun 1, 2009 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

wow, that's really sad

If he stays home all the time because he has no one to go places with, he’ll never meet anyone.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Jun 1, 2009 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He doesn't have to be lonely, with FarmersOnly.com

"Sir, can you please put your pants back on?"

by Ash on Jun 1, 2009 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

sounds like what he needs

is BaseballFansOnly.com

Great game in Scranton today. It started at 11 am (“education” day – meaning lots of kids on field trips). Very few adults there, and many of them were alone. Retirees, and people playing hooky from work or school. A lot of seniors were there with only a scorebook for company.

Matt Maloney owns the Baby Bombers.

And Drew Stubbs doubled his season total of home runs!

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Jun 1, 2009 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

well

In 1975 and 1976, which one could argue was the zenith, the pinnacle of Cincinnati Reds baseball, they averaged about 32,000 per game. Honestly, I’d have thought that number would be higher.

This season they average about 22,000. They’ve had about 8 or so losing seasons. Sounds about right to me, in fact, it seems fairly high compared to the historical high-water mark.

I more or less draw the conclusion that this area isn’t crazy about baseball, but we don’t hate it either.

by bobestes on Jun 1, 2009 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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