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Manny Ramirez tests positive for PEDs

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4148907

 

Well another offensive superstar from the most recent generation tests positive for steriods.  But I can't figure out if he only started using them in LA as why wasn't he caught in Boston.  If he just started in LA then that seems stupid after he drew out his contract situation for months longer than it should have been.  And apparently a ton of people on his teams though he was clean.

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holy crap

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by BubbaFan on May 7, 2009 12:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah I really don't feel like debating the merits of the suspension, so I'll just 2nd what you said.

But this a huge gut punch. Not a week ago I was making an argument to a friend that Manny was in the untouchable class in regards to PED use. sigh

by chesirecat on May 7, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Honestly

This caught me a bit off-guard. Perhaps it shouldn’t, but he was never part of that ‘group’ of players in my mind.

by RedStalk on May 7, 2009 12:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm not surprised he cheated

I am surprised he got caught.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on May 7, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

no

I thought he was so valuable that the team and MLB would make sure he passed any “surprise” tests.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on May 7, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

A-Rod was outed

via a list that was supposed to be confidential. He hasn’t failed a “real” test.

Manny appears to have a failed a recent test, which everyone knew was going to count.’

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on May 7, 2009 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

what about Palmerio

that wasn’t good for baseball, it was shortly after he joined the 500/3000 club. But suddenly the Viagra commercials made more sense.

Bloop

by justin007000 on May 7, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

all the heroes of my youth

have turned out to be mirages.

go look that up in your Funk and Wagnalls

by Charlie Scrabbles on May 7, 2009 12:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

at least you can counr on Cartoon characters

I want to be there when a trailer full of coffins slams into a an ambulance full of terminally ill Bolivians. Or when the Reds win a WS..whichever comes first....

by Madville on May 7, 2009 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ho-oh!

Everybody's a jerk. You. Me. This jerk.

by andromache on May 7, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ugh

i cant tell you how tired i am of Thundercats. it sucked back then, and it sure as hell sucks now.

go look that up in your Funk and Wagnalls

by Charlie Scrabbles on May 7, 2009 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

After my time...

Damn I’m old…lets drink

I want to be there when a trailer full of coffins slams into a an ambulance full of terminally ill Bolivians. Or when the Reds win a WS..whichever comes first....

by Madville on May 7, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Then there's the Legion of Gay Super Heroes

KISSY FACE HUGGY BEAR

I want to be there when a trailer full of coffins slams into a an ambulance full of terminally ill Bolivians. Or when the Reds win a WS..whichever comes first....

by Madville on May 8, 2009 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ballplayer.

"Nobody's going to die just because they can't find their little yellow basket."

by Fat Vegas Alan on May 7, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

thank you BK

for .giffing some sense back into me.

go look that up in your Funk and Wagnalls

by Charlie Scrabbles on May 7, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I dunno

She’s cute, but she’s not AUGMENTED cute, if you see what I mean.

"Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals." --Churchill

by lordsummer on May 8, 2009 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The difference

I really don’t think he gives a shit if he is suspended or not.

Head First "I'd walk through hell in a gasoline suit to play baseball." - Pete Rose

by wight4256 on May 7, 2009 12:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Not giving a shit

was why I didn’t think he’d get involved in steroids in the first place.

by Brendanukkah on May 7, 2009 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think it's true

That he doesn’t give a shit. Or why would he be playing at all? He’s made enough money that he could sit on his butt all day if he wanted.

Manny may not care about anything else, but he cares about baseball. I don’t think he could achieve the level of success he has otherwise.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on May 7, 2009 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree.

Manny certainly indulges in strange and childish, and in some cases unacceptable, behavior that an average man who cared about the game would not.

But I’ve also read articles about how hard he works on things like batting eye training – and I think he really does care.

Everybody's a jerk. You. Me. This jerk.

by andromache on May 7, 2009 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

From Boston

Everyone in Boston knew that Manny really did care about baseball a lot. I remember reading a Globe piece a year or two ago about Manny’s off-season work outs (he was training with Youk that winter) and his regimen was impressive. We knew Manny cared deeply about playing ball because (1) he only whined when baseball became frustrating to him or during the off-season and (2) he shut up when it was time to play and he was playing well.

Anyway, I’m slightly surprised. And I do wonder about David Ortiz.

by ben nevis on May 7, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He wouldn't get paid, right?

I have to ask because the MLBPA might insist he should get paid. He might care if he had to give up money.

Maybe.

Let me write out a formal proof for you.

by Gray on May 7, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

hey, Gray!

Nix is starting today!

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on May 7, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

holy guacamole

Fay is reporting that it’s a long-term change, not just a one-shot. He thinks Dickerson’s being benched.

And Votto’s out tonight. He’s sick. Hernandez is playing 1B. Which I guess means Hanigan is catching? If I understood the Fay correctly. Which I may not have, because he’s kinda confusing.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on May 7, 2009 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

according to...

…the LA Times, Manny is going to claim the test results were due to medication prescribed by a doctor for a “personal medical issue.”

Canseco said that Manny’s name was probably on the list with A-Rod’s. Canseco may be a sleazeball, but he’s been an accurate sleazeball so far.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on May 7, 2009 12:27 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

quite honestly

i’m surprised somebody hasn’t killed Conseco yet.

Bloop

by justin007000 on May 7, 2009 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I couldn't decide which was funnier

 So I rec’d you both. :)

I miss the old days of the internet when men were men, hot girls were middle aged men, and hot underage girls were FBI agents.....

by jch24 on May 7, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

double green'd

"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san

by BK on May 7, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

very rarely

I posted a couple of comments in honor of Paul Janish’s major league pitching debut last night and this morning, but it was probably the first time in months.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on May 7, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Personal medical issue?

Does he expect us to believe that his “doctor” wouldn’t know that whatever he took would not produce a positive test? Give me a break.

Head First "I'd walk through hell in a gasoline suit to play baseball." - Pete Rose

by wight4256 on May 7, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

cue The Deluge

Will you stop it with the vegetables

by Man Mountain on May 7, 2009 12:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Alternative viewpoint

“Personal medical issue” = ADHD
Performance enhancing drug = Ritalin or some other stimulant

Yeah, maybe I’m just grasping for straws, but come on, would this surprise anyone?

by teb7 on May 7, 2009 1:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

MLB rarely does anything right

it would not surprise me in the least if they couldnt properly test their players for PEDs.

go look that up in your Funk and Wagnalls

by Charlie Scrabbles on May 7, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i would have been screwed for little league testing

i really don’t care that much about PED’s, i mean they are pretty standard in college or on river boats.

Bloop

by justin007000 on May 7, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Alright...

What the fuck am I doing wrong?

by Highlifeman21 on May 7, 2009 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Click on the tree icon...

And paste the URL.

Let me write out a formal proof for you.

by Gray on May 7, 2009 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You have to know where to place the needle

For the best results…same goes for posting pics…go to the picture click on image location, then go to thread and in the comment box go to the tree, click on it, paste the URL in the box that opens up and then presto chango when you click on the OK button and picture magically appears in the post…If I can do this anyone can.

I want to be there when a trailer full of coffins slams into a an ambulance full of terminally ill Bolivians. Or when the Reds win a WS..whichever comes first....

by Madville on May 8, 2009 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I had a Peds dispenser when i was a Kid...tasty stuff

I want to be there when a trailer full of coffins slams into a an ambulance full of terminally ill Bolivians. Or when the Reds win a WS..whichever comes first....

by Madville on May 8, 2009 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i thought about going that route

but i did not, now i feel kinda sad about my decision.

Bloop

by justin007000 on May 8, 2009 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

he didn't test positive for anabolic steroids

so i’m going to assume it’s an honest mistake until proven otherwise.

by Daedalus on May 7, 2009 1:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

They seem pretty sure it was illegal

What with the 50 day suspension already announced and everything.

by Brendanukkah on May 7, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I get the feeling...

that this “leak” (Pardon my pun) is out there because Manny and Boras can jsut sit back and say nothing. And of course they couldn’t possibly tell the truth.

Ramirez is expected to attribute the test results to medication received from a doctor for a personal medical issue, according to a source familiar with matter but not authorized to speak publicly.

LA Times.

"Nobody's going to die just because they can't find their little yellow basket."

by Fat Vegas Alan on May 7, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

correction: "Manny and Boras CAN'T just sit back and say nothing."

"Nobody's going to die just because they can't find their little yellow basket."

by Fat Vegas Alan on May 7, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

PED

Yahoo says it was for a performance-enhancing substance, the kind of performance he would use at home after the game is over if ya know wuddaaimean

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ys-ramirezsuspension050709&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Head First "I'd walk through hell in a gasoline suit to play baseball." - Pete Rose

by wight4256 on May 7, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The LA Times says he'd be eligible to return July 3rd.

The Reds’ two series with the Dodges are both after that date.

"Nobody's going to die just because they can't find their little yellow basket."

by Fat Vegas Alan on May 7, 2009 1:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yahoo says it was a male enhancement substance

This is awesome! He’s going to get some good endorsement deals out of this.

by Brian B on May 7, 2009 2:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

And by enhancement, I mean in the performance sense

Not the size, which of course doesn’t matter . . .

by Brian B on May 7, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cialis?

"I've actually never had a drink before, tonight I might try it out. We'll see."
—Dodgers pitcher Clayton Kershaw, on turning 21

by obc2 on May 7, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Done.

"Nobody's going to die just because they can't find their little yellow basket."

by Fat Vegas Alan on May 7, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

AHAHAHA

Here’s the linky.

This would honestly be the greatest thing in history. If anything, this makes Manny even more benign and loveable!

by teb7 on May 7, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And there you go.

Less than twenty-four hours later, The Boras Group has shifted the conversation away from the objectionable offense.

Somebody get A-Rod some of that action.

"Nobody's going to die just because they can't find their little yellow basket."

by Fat Vegas Alan on May 7, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

hilarious

Sounds like it was testosterone, or something related?

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on May 7, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not a male "performance enhancer"

It evidently is a women’s fertility drug, which is also used as a masking agent for steroids.

So, despite the early reports, I’m leaning towards “roider!”

Often wrong, never uncertain.

by sidnancy on May 7, 2009 2:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Sorry

Not exactly a masking agent. HGC makes your body produce testosterone, which it doesn’t do while on steroids.

Often wrong, never uncertain.

by sidnancy on May 7, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Clomid?

Ye gods.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on May 7, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Does Reynard know about this yet?

I want to be there when a trailer full of coffins slams into a an ambulance full of terminally ill Bolivians. Or when the Reds win a WS..whichever comes first....

by Madville on May 7, 2009 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe he just wants to have a baby.

We don’t know what he’s going through. We shouldn’t be so harsh on him. He’s getting up there – MAYBE THIS IS HIS LAST CHANCE!!

"I do and the [hu] of some person am me and others the woman it loves."

by Ash on May 7, 2009 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

TICK TICK TICK.

Everybody's a jerk. You. Me. This jerk.

by andromache on May 8, 2009 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Precisely.

I guess he just wants a girl to go with Manny, Manny (I shit you not), and Lucas.

"I do and the [hu] of some person am me and others the woman it loves."

by Ash on May 8, 2009 7:38 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

to?

get laid? have a big season? or conceive a child?

Bloop

by justin007000 on May 8, 2009 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Girly Man(ny)

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on May 8, 2009 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Always subtle.

Let me write out a formal proof for you.

by Gray on May 8, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

An odd post on this by AJ Daulerio over at Deadspin

Apparently, he was half-assedly doing some investigative journalism on Manny.

Will you stop it with the vegetables

by Man Mountain on May 7, 2009 2:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Heh.

My first thought was that there are some fantasy owners out there who are gonna be screwed. …is that weird?

"I do and the [hu] of some person am me and others the woman it loves."

by Ash on May 7, 2009 3:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It was my 2nd thought after thinking how happy A-Rod is that he's no longer the top of the sports news-cycle

Also, I was especially happy since the guy with Manny in my fantasy league is #1

by Nasty N8 on May 7, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ha, yea

Waitaminnit… awww HORSE SHIT!

"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san

by BK on May 7, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

alright!

everything’s coming up Scrabbles!

go look that up in your Funk and Wagnalls

by Charlie Scrabbles on May 7, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here's something you don't see every day.

An apology:

Ramirez apologized to his Dodgers teammates, owners and Manager Joe Torre. "L.A. is a special place to me and I know everybody is disappointed," he said. "So am I. I’m sorry about this whole situation."

Granted, he apologized for “the situation” and not for using the banned substance but it still seems like more than you usually see from those with their hands in cookie jars.

Kudos to Manny.

(Quote from NYT)

"Nobody's going to die just because they can't find their little yellow basket."

by Fat Vegas Alan on May 7, 2009 3:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Kudos to Manny for apologizing to himself.

That takes a lot of courage.

Will you stop it with the vegetables

by Man Mountain on May 7, 2009 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I see what you're saying.

Assuming that he was speaking without a script, he did slip “Manny” in there perhaps subconciously distancing his apology from “everybody.” But I’m gonna give him the benefit of the doubt here. Not for testing positive, mind you, but for this apology.

Was he coaxed into giving this apology? Perhaps. But I don’t get the feeling that he was coached into it.

"Nobody's going to die just because they can't find their little yellow basket."

by Fat Vegas Alan on May 7, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dunno

Reminds me a fair bit of Giambi’s apology, for what it’s worth.

by RedStalk on May 7, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, well..

I always thought Giambi got a bad rap for that. It seemed to me that he wanted to apologize but he couldn’t without risking the loss of millions of dollars. He couldn’t say what he wanted to say but he didn’t have to go so far to say what he did say. And I thought he was genuinely apologetic. I didn’t smell spin.

"Nobody's going to die just because they can't find their little yellow basket."

by Fat Vegas Alan on May 7, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you know what i hate

are the obligatory holier than thou columns written by Paul Daughtery’s all around the country. It is real easy for us to say that he is nothing but a cheater, but I mean for some of these guys PEDs can help them get to the majors or stay in the majors, does that make it right, no it doesn’t, but it makes it human. I realize Manny wasn’t in that class, but lets say he was all out ‘roider, who doesn’t want the fame that Manny has achieved?

Bloop

by justin007000 on May 7, 2009 4:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Wager for nothing

I’ll bet we get as many obligatory columns about how this humanizes Manny and makes him a more tragic figure as we do the obligatory holier than thou columns.

Will you stop it with the vegetables

by Man Mountain on May 7, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

perhaps i notice the hollier than thou columns

i just think this is more a problem in baseball culture than an individual problem, but at the same time I feel like the drastic steps of 50 game suspensions are needed to scare players. I mean it isn’t fair to the players who do it the “right way”, but I can understand why a player chooses to use PEDs.

Bloop

by justin007000 on May 7, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

sure

I just think that the cool, cynical, sighing defense of athletes against scolding sportswriters has also become a cottage-industry. Look out for authors telling you that they are “just being a realist” or telling you what the “larger issue” is that’s “getting lost in this witch hunt.”

Will you stop it with the vegetables

by Man Mountain on May 7, 2009 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

or

Manny peeing tranny.

"Nobody's going to die just because they can't find their little yellow basket."

by Fat Vegas Alan on May 7, 2009 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think he was actually trying to get man-boobs.

Like a certain former Reds reliever.

He seems to be a bit flat-chested in this picture.

And Adam Dunn's spirit, ranging for revenge / With Ate by his side come hot from hell, / Shall in these confines with a monarch's voice / Cry 'Havoc,' and let slip the dogs of war...

by Paul Householder on May 8, 2009 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The mutations he undergoes after taking all these drugs and becoming superhuman

is Manny Being Uncanny

I got to go down to the stadium and whip batteries at the players on both teams. - Philly Boy Roy

by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on May 7, 2009 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rec'd

that’s funny

"To me, boxing is like a ballet, except there's no music, no choreography, and the dancers hit each other." - Jack Handey

by JJ on May 7, 2009 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

All this speculation is just Manny Pamby

I want to be there when a trailer full of coffins slams into a an ambulance full of terminally ill Bolivians. Or when the Reds win a WS..whichever comes first....

by Madville on May 8, 2009 7:15 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

well

I guess this is good news for Juan Pierre.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on May 7, 2009 5:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You know all those guys Manny, A-Rodm Jose, Big Mac

They can just line up and blow me.

I want to be there when a trailer full of coffins slams into a an ambulance full of terminally ill Bolivians. Or when the Reds win a WS..whichever comes first....

by Madville on May 7, 2009 6:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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