Manny Ramirez tests positive for PEDs
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4148907
Well another offensive superstar from the most recent generation tests positive for steriods. But I can't figure out if he only started using them in LA as why wasn't he caught in Boston. If he just started in LA then that seems stupid after he drew out his contract situation for months longer than it should have been. And apparently a ton of people on his teams though he was clean.
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holy crap
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by BubbaFan on May 7, 2009 12:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I really don't feel like debating the merits of the suspension, so I'll just 2nd what you said.
But this a huge gut punch. Not a week ago I was making an argument to a friend that Manny was in the untouchable class in regards to PED use. sigh
by chesirecat on May 7, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly
This caught me a bit off-guard. Perhaps it shouldn’t, but he was never part of that ‘group’ of players in my mind.
by RedStalk on May 7, 2009 12:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm not surprised he cheated
I am surprised he got caught.
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by BubbaFan on May 7, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You had Manny among those cunning enough to outsmart the system?

"I wanna listen to Elephants Gerald."
by Fat Vegas Alan on May 7, 2009 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no
I thought he was so valuable that the team and MLB would make sure he passed any “surprise” tests.
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by BubbaFan on May 7, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If A-Rod got outed, anyone is fair game
by Brendanukkah on May 7, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A-Rod was outed
via a list that was supposed to be confidential. He hasn’t failed a “real” test.
Manny appears to have a failed a recent test, which everyone knew was going to count.’
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by BubbaFan on May 7, 2009 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what about Palmerio

that wasn’t good for baseball, it was shortly after he joined the 500/3000 club. But suddenly the Viagra commercials made more sense.
Bloop
by justin007000 on May 7, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
all the heroes of my youth
have turned out to be mirages.
go look that up in your Funk and Wagnalls
by Charlie Scrabbles on May 7, 2009 12:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
at least you can counr on Cartoon characters

I want to be there when a trailer full of coffins slams into a an ambulance full of terminally ill Bolivians. Or when the Reds win a WS..whichever comes first....
by Madville on May 7, 2009 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mads, you forget that Scrabbles' heroes are gonna be of a more recent generation.

"I wanna listen to Elephants Gerald."
by Fat Vegas Alan on May 7, 2009 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ho-oh!
Everybody's a jerk. You. Me. This jerk.
by andromache on May 7, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ugh
i cant tell you how tired i am of Thundercats. it sucked back then, and it sure as hell sucks now.
go look that up in your Funk and Wagnalls
by Charlie Scrabbles on May 7, 2009 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In honor of ten years of internet fun
by Man Mountain on May 7, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
After my time...
Damn I’m old…lets drink
I want to be there when a trailer full of coffins slams into a an ambulance full of terminally ill Bolivians. Or when the Reds win a WS..whichever comes first....
by Madville on May 7, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then there's the Legion of Gay Super Heroes

KISSY FACE HUGGY BEAR
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by Madville on May 8, 2009 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really, really hope this isn't the case

"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san
by BK on May 7, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Ballplayer.
"Nobody's going to die just because they can't find their little yellow basket."
by Fat Vegas Alan on May 7, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thank you BK
for .giffing some sense back into me.
go look that up in your Funk and Wagnalls
by Charlie Scrabbles on May 7, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i totally think the girl with the Reds shirt is juicing.
Bloop
by justin007000 on May 7, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno
She’s cute, but she’s not AUGMENTED cute, if you see what I mean.
"Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals." --Churchill
by lordsummer on May 8, 2009 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The difference
I really don’t think he gives a shit if he is suspended or not.
Head First "I'd walk through hell in a gasoline suit to play baseball." - Pete Rose
by wight4256 on May 7, 2009 12:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Not giving a shit
was why I didn’t think he’d get involved in steroids in the first place.
by Brendanukkah on May 7, 2009 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think it's true
That he doesn’t give a shit. Or why would he be playing at all? He’s made enough money that he could sit on his butt all day if he wanted.
Manny may not care about anything else, but he cares about baseball. I don’t think he could achieve the level of success he has otherwise.
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by BubbaFan on May 7, 2009 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree.
Manny certainly indulges in strange and childish, and in some cases unacceptable, behavior that an average man who cared about the game would not.
But I’ve also read articles about how hard he works on things like batting eye training – and I think he really does care.
Everybody's a jerk. You. Me. This jerk.
by andromache on May 7, 2009 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
From Boston
Everyone in Boston knew that Manny really did care about baseball a lot. I remember reading a Globe piece a year or two ago about Manny’s off-season work outs (he was training with Youk that winter) and his regimen was impressive. We knew Manny cared deeply about playing ball because (1) he only whined when baseball became frustrating to him or during the off-season and (2) he shut up when it was time to play and he was playing well.
Anyway, I’m slightly surprised. And I do wonder about David Ortiz.
by ben nevis on May 7, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait, I thought everyone knew Big Papi has been using PEDs since her acting career stalled in the 70's

"Nobody's going to die just because they can't find their little yellow basket."
by Fat Vegas Alan on May 7, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
papi's can trigger false positives
Bloop
by justin007000 on May 7, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He wouldn't get paid, right?
I have to ask because the MLBPA might insist he should get paid. He might care if he had to give up money.
Maybe.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
by Gray on May 7, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The rules of the suspension (and every steroid suspension) is that the player doesn't get paid
Manny’s losing about $7.7 million because of this.
by Brendanukkah on May 7, 2009 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hey, Gray!
Nix is starting today!
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by BubbaFan on May 7, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
holy guacamole
Fay is reporting that it’s a long-term change, not just a one-shot. He thinks Dickerson’s being benched.
And Votto’s out tonight. He’s sick. Hernandez is playing 1B. Which I guess means Hanigan is catching? If I understood the Fay correctly. Which I may not have, because he’s kinda confusing.
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by BubbaFan on May 7, 2009 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
according to...
…the LA Times, Manny is going to claim the test results were due to medication prescribed by a doctor for a “personal medical issue.”
Canseco said that Manny’s name was probably on the list with A-Rod’s. Canseco may be a sleazeball, but he’s been an accurate sleazeball so far.
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by BubbaFan on May 7, 2009 12:27 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
quite honestly
i’m surprised somebody hasn’t killed Conseco yet.
Bloop
by justin007000 on May 7, 2009 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But then where would the Pacers play?
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by andromache on May 7, 2009 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
I couldn't decide which was funnier
So I rec’d you both. :)
I miss the old days of the internet when men were men, hot girls were middle aged men, and hot underage girls were FBI agents.....
by jch24 on May 7, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
double green'd
"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san
by BK on May 7, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
do you post on fay's blog?
Bloop
by justin007000 on May 7, 2009 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
very rarely
I posted a couple of comments in honor of Paul Janish’s major league pitching debut last night and this morning, but it was probably the first time in months.
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by BubbaFan on May 7, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Personal medical issue?
Does he expect us to believe that his “doctor” wouldn’t know that whatever he took would not produce a positive test? Give me a break.
Head First "I'd walk through hell in a gasoline suit to play baseball." - Pete Rose
by wight4256 on May 7, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
cue The Deluge
Will you stop it with the vegetables
by Man Mountain on May 7, 2009 12:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
They're trying to catch it in a paper cup.
"I wanna listen to Elephants Gerald."
by Fat Vegas Alan on May 7, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Alternative viewpoint
“Personal medical issue” = ADHD
Performance enhancing drug = Ritalin or some other stimulant
Yeah, maybe I’m just grasping for straws, but come on, would this surprise anyone?
by teb7 on May 7, 2009 1:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
MLB rarely does anything right
it would not surprise me in the least if they couldnt properly test their players for PEDs.
go look that up in your Funk and Wagnalls
by Charlie Scrabbles on May 7, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i would have been screwed for little league testing
i really don’t care that much about PED’s, i mean they are pretty standard in college or on river boats.

Bloop
by justin007000 on May 7, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How the Hell do you post pictures?
by Highlifeman21 on May 7, 2009 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Alright...
What the fuck am I doing wrong?
by Highlifeman21 on May 7, 2009 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Click on the tree icon...
And paste the URL.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
by Gray on May 7, 2009 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You have to know where to place the needle

For the best results…same goes for posting pics…go to the picture click on image location, then go to thread and in the comment box go to the tree, click on it, paste the URL in the box that opens up and then presto chango when you click on the OK button and picture magically appears in the post…If I can do this anyone can.
I want to be there when a trailer full of coffins slams into a an ambulance full of terminally ill Bolivians. Or when the Reds win a WS..whichever comes first....
by Madville on May 8, 2009 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I had a Peds dispenser when i was a Kid...tasty stuff
I want to be there when a trailer full of coffins slams into a an ambulance full of terminally ill Bolivians. Or when the Reds win a WS..whichever comes first....
by Madville on May 8, 2009 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i thought about going that route
but i did not, now i feel kinda sad about my decision.
Bloop
by justin007000 on May 8, 2009 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he didn't test positive for anabolic steroids
so i’m going to assume it’s an honest mistake until proven otherwise.
by Daedalus on May 7, 2009 1:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
They seem pretty sure it was illegal
What with the 50 day suspension already announced and everything.
by Brendanukkah on May 7, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I get the feeling...
that this “leak” (Pardon my pun) is out there because Manny and Boras can jsut sit back and say nothing. And of course they couldn’t possibly tell the truth.
Ramirez is expected to attribute the test results to medication received from a doctor for a personal medical issue, according to a source familiar with matter but not authorized to speak publicly.
"Nobody's going to die just because they can't find their little yellow basket."
by Fat Vegas Alan on May 7, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
correction: "Manny and Boras CAN'T just sit back and say nothing."
"Nobody's going to die just because they can't find their little yellow basket."
by Fat Vegas Alan on May 7, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
PED
Yahoo says it was for a performance-enhancing substance, the kind of performance he would use at home after the game is over if ya know wuddaaimean
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ys-ramirezsuspension050709&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
Head First "I'd walk through hell in a gasoline suit to play baseball." - Pete Rose
by wight4256 on May 7, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
they did it to romero, too
and i believe him.
by Daedalus on May 7, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The LA Times says he'd be eligible to return July 3rd.
The Reds’ two series with the Dodges are both after that date.
"Nobody's going to die just because they can't find their little yellow basket."
by Fat Vegas Alan on May 7, 2009 1:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yahoo says it was a male enhancement substance
This is awesome! He’s going to get some good endorsement deals out of this.
by Brian B on May 7, 2009 2:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And by enhancement, I mean in the performance sense
Not the size, which of course doesn’t matter . . .
by Brian B on May 7, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Done.

"Nobody's going to die just because they can't find their little yellow basket."
by Fat Vegas Alan on May 7, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
AHAHAHA
Here’s the linky.
This would honestly be the greatest thing in history. If anything, this makes Manny even more benign and loveable!
by teb7 on May 7, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And there you go.
Less than twenty-four hours later, The Boras Group has shifted the conversation away from the objectionable offense.
Somebody get A-Rod some of that action.
"Nobody's going to die just because they can't find their little yellow basket."
by Fat Vegas Alan on May 7, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hilarious
Sounds like it was testosterone, or something related?
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by BubbaFan on May 7, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not a male "performance enhancer"
It evidently is a women’s fertility drug, which is also used as a masking agent for steroids.
So, despite the early reports, I’m leaning towards “roider!”
Often wrong, never uncertain.
by sidnancy on May 7, 2009 2:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sorry
Not exactly a masking agent. HGC makes your body produce testosterone, which it doesn’t do while on steroids.
Often wrong, never uncertain.
by sidnancy on May 7, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Clomid?
Ye gods.
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by BubbaFan on May 7, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does Reynard know about this yet?
I want to be there when a trailer full of coffins slams into a an ambulance full of terminally ill Bolivians. Or when the Reds win a WS..whichever comes first....
by Madville on May 7, 2009 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe he just wants to have a baby.
We don’t know what he’s going through. We shouldn’t be so harsh on him. He’s getting up there – MAYBE THIS IS HIS LAST CHANCE!!
"I do and the [hu] of some person am me and others the woman it loves."
by Ash on May 7, 2009 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
TICK TICK TICK.
Everybody's a jerk. You. Me. This jerk.
by andromache on May 8, 2009 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Precisely.
I guess he just wants a girl to go with Manny, Manny (I shit you not), and Lucas.
"I do and the [hu] of some person am me and others the woman it loves."
by Ash on May 8, 2009 7:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
to?
get laid? have a big season? or conceive a child?
Bloop
by justin007000 on May 8, 2009 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Girly Man(ny)

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by BubbaFan on May 8, 2009 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Always subtle.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
by Gray on May 8, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
An odd post on this by AJ Daulerio over at Deadspin
Apparently, he was half-assedly doing some investigative journalism on Manny.
Will you stop it with the vegetables
by Man Mountain on May 7, 2009 2:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Heh.
My first thought was that there are some fantasy owners out there who are gonna be screwed. …is that weird?
"I do and the [hu] of some person am me and others the woman it loves."
by Ash on May 7, 2009 3:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It was my 2nd thought after thinking how happy A-Rod is that he's no longer the top of the sports news-cycle
Also, I was especially happy since the guy with Manny in my fantasy league is #1
by Nasty N8 on May 7, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ha, yea
Waitaminnit… awww HORSE SHIT!
"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san
by BK on May 7, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
alright!
everything’s coming up Scrabbles!
go look that up in your Funk and Wagnalls
by Charlie Scrabbles on May 7, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's something you don't see every day.
An apology:
Ramirez apologized to his Dodgers teammates, owners and Manager Joe Torre. "L.A. is a special place to me and I know everybody is disappointed," he said. "So am I. I’m sorry about this whole situation."
Granted, he apologized for “the situation” and not for using the banned substance but it still seems like more than you usually see from those with their hands in cookie jars.
Kudos to Manny.
(Quote from NYT)
"Nobody's going to die just because they can't find their little yellow basket."
by Fat Vegas Alan on May 7, 2009 3:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Kudos to Manny for apologizing to himself.
That takes a lot of courage.
Will you stop it with the vegetables
by Man Mountain on May 7, 2009 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see what you're saying.
Assuming that he was speaking without a script, he did slip “Manny” in there perhaps subconciously distancing his apology from “everybody.” But I’m gonna give him the benefit of the doubt here. Not for testing positive, mind you, but for this apology.
Was he coaxed into giving this apology? Perhaps. But I don’t get the feeling that he was coached into it.
"Nobody's going to die just because they can't find their little yellow basket."
by Fat Vegas Alan on May 7, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dunno
Reminds me a fair bit of Giambi’s apology, for what it’s worth.
by RedStalk on May 7, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, well..
I always thought Giambi got a bad rap for that. It seemed to me that he wanted to apologize but he couldn’t without risking the loss of millions of dollars. He couldn’t say what he wanted to say but he didn’t have to go so far to say what he did say. And I thought he was genuinely apologetic. I didn’t smell spin.
"Nobody's going to die just because they can't find their little yellow basket."
by Fat Vegas Alan on May 7, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you know what i hate
are the obligatory holier than thou columns written by Paul Daughtery’s all around the country. It is real easy for us to say that he is nothing but a cheater, but I mean for some of these guys PEDs can help them get to the majors or stay in the majors, does that make it right, no it doesn’t, but it makes it human. I realize Manny wasn’t in that class, but lets say he was all out ‘roider, who doesn’t want the fame that Manny has achieved?
Bloop
by justin007000 on May 7, 2009 4:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wager for nothing
I’ll bet we get as many obligatory columns about how this humanizes Manny and makes him a more tragic figure as we do the obligatory holier than thou columns.
Will you stop it with the vegetables
by Man Mountain on May 7, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
perhaps i notice the hollier than thou columns
i just think this is more a problem in baseball culture than an individual problem, but at the same time I feel like the drastic steps of 50 game suspensions are needed to scare players. I mean it isn’t fair to the players who do it the “right way”, but I can understand why a player chooses to use PEDs.
Bloop
by justin007000 on May 7, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sure
I just think that the cool, cynical, sighing defense of athletes against scolding sportswriters has also become a cottage-industry. Look out for authors telling you that they are “just being a realist” or telling you what the “larger issue” is that’s “getting lost in this witch hunt.”
Will you stop it with the vegetables
by Man Mountain on May 7, 2009 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And the suspension
is Manny Being Remanded.
by Brendanukkah on May 7, 2009 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
and the women's fertility drug
is Manny Being Tranny
Will you stop it with the vegetables
by Man Mountain on May 7, 2009 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
or
Manny peeing tranny.
"Nobody's going to die just because they can't find their little yellow basket."
by Fat Vegas Alan on May 7, 2009 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he was actually trying to get man-boobs.
Like a certain former Reds reliever.
He seems to be a bit flat-chested in this picture.

And Adam Dunn's spirit, ranging for revenge / With Ate by his side come hot from hell, / Shall in these confines with a monarch's voice / Cry 'Havoc,' and let slip the dogs of war...
by Paul Householder on May 8, 2009 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And if it is a male enhancement he took? Well, that's just..
Manny being randy.
"Nobody's going to die just because they can't find their little yellow basket."
by Fat Vegas Alan on May 7, 2009 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
The mutations he undergoes after taking all these drugs and becoming superhuman
is Manny Being Uncanny
I got to go down to the stadium and whip batteries at the players on both teams. - Philly Boy Roy
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on May 7, 2009 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rec'd
that’s funny
"To me, boxing is like a ballet, except there's no music, no choreography, and the dancers hit each other." - Jack Handey
by JJ on May 7, 2009 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
All this speculation is just Manny Pamby
I want to be there when a trailer full of coffins slams into a an ambulance full of terminally ill Bolivians. Or when the Reds win a WS..whichever comes first....
by Madville on May 8, 2009 7:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well
I guess this is good news for Juan Pierre.
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by BubbaFan on May 7, 2009 5:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You know all those guys Manny, A-Rodm Jose, Big Mac
They can just line up and blow me.
I want to be there when a trailer full of coffins slams into a an ambulance full of terminally ill Bolivians. Or when the Reds win a WS..whichever comes first....
by Madville on May 7, 2009 6:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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