Talkin' Homer...
Homer Bailey - #1 draft pick, fireballer, Texan. The next big stud pitcher...there's been a lot of talk here and elsewhere about Homer Bailey...mechanically flawed, limited usable pitches at the MLB level , head case, know it all boy with a 'tude...or is he a 23 old kid who needs some time and hard work to mature as a teammate, a player, a pitcher and a sports professional....
Lots of folks on the talk shows, in the newspapers and on the blogs want to trade Homer - get rid of him while he still has some value, a change of scenery could do him a world of good and the Reds could get a MLB serviceable player in return - right now. Lots of talk about how the Reds have screwed with Homer's delivery, the pitches that he is and is not allowed to throw or develop and that the Reds haven't developed many great pitchers recently so maybe they should stop with Homer before he's a total lost cause.Others view him as a head case who isn't coach-able, doesn't work well with his catchers and isn't interested in anything or anyone but Homer.
I too am frustrated with Homer and his last outing although not terrible was still pretty dissapointing. Yet when I think about his raw power - throwing 92 - 98 MPH and striking out 15 in one game at AAA and his occasional flashes of near greatness in his MLB starts over the past couple of seasons...I am not ready to give up on him. His stats are not that consistent or that good. All of his wins, losses, era, whip etc do not mean much when I look at this kid's raw throwing ability. I believe that Homer still has a tremendous upside and could well develop in a #1 or #2 starter for Major League Club. When ? Don't know..maybe he could blossom by the end of this year or sometime next year. When (I say when and not if) he does get it together some team is going to have a hell of a pitcher, His temper, arrogance and ridiculous self confidence will turn into a highly competitive advantage once he begins to mature, To give up on him or to trade him at this stage in his very young career is a very short sighted and poor business decision.There are a fair amount of MLB pitchers who were given up on by a team and then turned out to be pretty damn great...for example Edison Volquez and Aaron Harang come to mind. Doesn't mean Homer Bailey is the next Aaron Harang or Sandy Koufax or Bob Gibson...but then again he may be.
The question is HOW to go about developing this kid into a pitcher...How... because when the light comes on for Homer it will be the light of a 98 MPH fastball, about chest high and striking fear into some overmatched MLB hitter. Lets hope it is one of their hitters and not one of ours.
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7. Ask me again after a couple more starts
The six walks were frustrating but at least he wasn’t hit around like he has been in the past. Looked like he might have been getting squeezed a bit by the ump. I think we’ll learn more about how he has or hasn’t matured by how he bounces back from another rough MLB outing.
by matchu522 on May 24, 2009 10:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
David Bailey's future role?
Without a shadow of a doubt, closer
by Highlifeman21 on May 24, 2009 10:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
... plus....
David Bailey has ZERO trade value right now.
None.
Zip.
Zilch.
Nada.
by Highlifeman21 on May 24, 2009 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i hate to say i told you so
but i told you so.
I really hoped he would go out and put up 7 innings of 2 run baseball, but he just isn’t ready yet, he is only 23. It is a shame that they started his option clock in 2007 so he will have to be a mainstay on the big league roster or traded next year.
Bloop
by justin007000 on May 24, 2009 10:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Next year..he'll only be 24
The equivalent of a college grad getting ready for his 2nd minor league year. A lot can happen between now and then. would you consider putting on the 25 if he has a decent year at Louisville and is showing some maturation? What do you think of his raw ability?
"Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like nobody's watching."
Satchel Paige
by Madville on May 24, 2009 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
mads, this is his last option year
if the Reds do not trade Bailey the only way the Reds can send him to the minors is through waivers, and the chances of Homer Bailey sneaking through waivers is slim to none.
Bloop
by justin007000 on May 24, 2009 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're absolutely right
someone will claim him if we try to send him thru waivers….
David Bailey is the new Wily Mo Pena…
… gotta be on the 25 man roster…
by Highlifeman21 on May 24, 2009 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and i voted boobs because i can't really think of a good solution for bailey
and comencment ceremonies suck, i’m glad i went up for the weekend to get severely intoxicated with people for the last time, but yeah the hearing 623 names read, and speeches was terrible.
Bloop
by justin007000 on May 24, 2009 11:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I just want to say that I could copy and paste this and use it as my exact response
except that there were a lot more names.
Ali Boombaye
by Cy Schourek on May 26, 2009 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
apparently at pitt they only call Ph.D candidates
i think more schools should go to that, i mean i didn’t do shit to get my B.A., I basically just showed up to class 95% of the time. The University’s first lady did wish us failure via poem so i guess that was something.
Bloop
by justin007000 on May 26, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
One of the better /justin'd posts EVER.
"It seems as if every mistake I've ever made in life I've had an erection in one hand and a Bud Light in the other."
by jch24 on May 26, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I get the feeling that if Homer is going to succeed, it won't be with the Reds.
by Geki on May 25, 2009 1:28 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I get the feeling Homer is not going to succeed.
by greg456 on May 25, 2009 7:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What propmts these feelings..
that he won’t make it ith the Reds or that he won’t make it all. Is there no one avaialbe to the Reds who can get this kid’s attention and help him to make the giant leap from AAA to the Show…
Why not go the old school route and bring him up next year and run him out of the bullpen?
Sorry been reading too much Salinger lately...sometimes bizarre stuff that i find numerous turns out to be in questionable taste...
Your Pal Mads
by Madville on May 25, 2009 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bailey
He’s still younger than Edinson was when he broke out last season.
No way the team gives up on him although he is starting to look more like Todd Van Poppel than a #1 starter.
"We're going to Adonis, son"
jch24
by obc2 on May 25, 2009 9:58 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree with ya Mads
Homer is still only 23 – there are only a handful of pitchers that make the show before age 22/23 and dominate. I wih the Reds (and their fans) would at least give him until the end of the year before pronouncing him a bust.
Other pitchers taken out of high school in the 1st round of the 2004 draft:
- Matthew Bush
- Timothy Elbert
- Philip Hughes
- Steven Waldrop
- Eric Hurley
It’s not like the other high school pitching “phenoms” from that draft are tearing it up right now.
by D-Rock on May 25, 2009 12:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm increasingly leaning toward bullpen,
but not just yet. Homer’s still a pup, but not for much longer. Let him prove what he can or can’t do as a starter this year. If he is anything short of dominant in AAA, make him a reliever who can come in and throw gas for an inning. While we all hoped he would be a No. 1 starter, there is great value in a shutdown reliever.
We Are ... Marshall!
by Thundering Turtle on May 25, 2009 1:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Eventually...
… I’d like to see a dual closer type situation with Burton and Bailey.
I think that would make our bullpen solid.
… now if we only had a reliable lefty or LOOGY…
by Highlifeman21 on May 25, 2009 2:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Who is ...
… a guy who most likely won’t be on the team in 2010, and definitely not on the team in 2011.
I’m lookin’ big picture, long term. Rhodes fits neither my big picture, nor my long term.
by Highlifeman21 on May 25, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rhodes is a rather large individual.
He would have trouble fitting in most pictures, no matter how big.
And Adam Dunn's spirit, ranging for revenge / With Ate by his side come hot from hell, / Shall in these confines with a monarch's voice / Cry 'Havoc,' and let slip the dogs of war...
by Paul Householder on May 25, 2009 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Yeah back in the day guys Homer's age were brought and started their aprrenticeship in the pen.
We’ve got Bailey at 23 and Jay Bruce at 22 struggling but these are a couple of kids you’ve gotta stay with…why wouldn’y you roll the dice for them over bringing in an over priced FA or trading for another kid to roll the dice on.
Sorry been reading too much Salinger lately...sometimes bizarre stuff that i find numerous turns out to be in questionable taste...
Your Pal Mads
by Madville on May 25, 2009 4:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
they could make a hamilton/volquez type of trade from the other direction.
Bloop
by justin007000 on May 25, 2009 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You mean trade Homer for Jay?
I’m confused
Sorry been reading too much Salinger lately...sometimes bizarre stuff that i find numerous turns out to be in questionable taste...
Your Pal Mads
by Madville on May 25, 2009 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i actually only half read that and didn't notice jay bruce at all
i was talking about Homer. I’m not as worried about Bruce for reasons I can’t fully comprehend, maybe I am a “baseball man” and can just sense these things.
Bloop
by justin007000 on May 25, 2009 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How's the ball sounding off Jay's bat during BP ?
Sorry been reading too much Salinger lately...sometimes bizarre stuff that i find numerous turns out to be in questionable taste...
Your Pal Mads
by Madville on May 25, 2009 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
great
i could hear it in hamilton.
Bloop
by justin007000 on May 26, 2009 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
really Bruce isn't doing that badly
His walk rate and power are allowing him to put up an average OPS+ with his BA scuffling. His BABIP is is very low suggesting he could be due for a course correction soon (although his line drive percentage is down from last year). It would be great to see him develop some power against lefties, but I’ll take his line considering he hasn’t gotten hot yet.
by Red Menace on May 26, 2009 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
numbers are great
but how does he sound to you?
Bloop
by justin007000 on May 26, 2009 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I bet even Turtle knows the answer to that..
Sorry been reading too much Salinger lately...sometimes bizarre stuff that i find numerous turns out to be in questionable taste...
Your Pal Mads
by Madville on May 26, 2009 2:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds like a winner.
We Are ... Marshall!
by Thundering Turtle on May 26, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I knew you'd get it. Dr. T
Hey, I like the sound of that…Dr. T
You could start your own group…a Christian Rap band that only writes songs about the escapades of Reds players…(but only if I get to play the electric bassoon parts).
EP songs:
1. Bronson meets the Woman at the Boat
2. Dusty – Swallowed By the Big Fish
3. Dick get Job’d
4. The sound of )One Bat Swinging
5. Why doesn’t Amy Grant and Heather Mitts run away to Tahiti with me, Lord? (written by Mads).
Dr. T – whaddaya think?
Sorry been reading too much Salinger lately...sometimes bizarre stuff that i find numerous turns out to be in questionable taste...
Your Pal Mads
by Madville on May 26, 2009 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

tellin' tales of drunkenness and cruelty
by Colin Auscapee on May 26, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Homer
Should be put in the pen for long relief. one day, our starter will get blown out in the 2nd, he will come in, pitch 7In. of scoreless ball,and truly earn his spot on the rotation, and the sky is the limit from there. he is playing too many head games to start with the big club, and too freaking good to start in AAA. If I were 23 and expected to be the next Nolan, I would need help finding modesty, perhaps the dudes in the bullpen can help.
by Eastwindquinn on May 27, 2009 8:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
"Perhaps the dudes in the bullpen can help..."
I think you’ve hit on something…
No one in their right mind will fuck with Arthur Rhodes, Stormy won’t take no grief, Cordero looks like he’s just as soon as sit on Bailey as hang with him. then there’s the angry disconsolate Lincoln, Jared Burton who’s been down the road and back…looks like Homer’s onliest friend would be Lefty Smurf…
An Idea of some merit.
"I just wanted to be like my dad, Jesus. He was a good shortstop.
Johan Santana
by Madville on May 27, 2009 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
send burton down get bailey up
put bailey in the pen and let him figure it out. He can’t be any worse than Burton or Lincoln right now, plus i mean maybe he will start to figure out how to get big league hitters out. He may also just survive in the bullpen on stuff alone and not put it all togeather to be a starting pitcher, but i mean he could be a pretty nasty reliever too.
Bloop
by justin007000 on May 27, 2009 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Justin agrees the it must be right
Justin>God
"I just wanted to be like my dad, Jesus. He was a good shortstop.
Johan Santana
by Madville on May 28, 2009 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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