Pittsburgh Should Check Out Farmers Only, Because There Were a lot of Singles Out There Tonight
by Charlie Scrabbles on May 2, 2009 10:25 PM EDT
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PrintThe Joe Nuxhall Memorial Honorary Star of the Game
Nate McLouth. He was 3-5 with 3 runs scored and a steal tonight for the Bucs. They only mustered 1 XBH (a pinch-hit double from Delwyn Young in the 6th), but all the singles really added up.
Key Plays
- The first inning was pretty much the ballgame for the Pirates. Morgan and Sanchez started the game with singles, and then McLouth hit a sharp one to BP that looked like it could have been a double play, but it took a bad hop on him and went into right field. Then the elder LaRoche walked, the younger LaRoche was hit by a pitch, and Ramon Vazquez lined a single into right to score 2. 4-0 Pirates.
- After the Pirates tacked on another in the 3rd, the Reds got on the board in the 4th when Hernandez and Rosales singled before Gonzalez hit a homer. 5-3 PIrates.
- Owings seemed to settle down for a bit, retiring 9 in a row until 2 out in the 6th when Robinzon Diaz singled before pinch-hitter Delwyn Young doubled. Danny Ray Herrera came in and made Nyjer Morgan look silly to get out of the inning.
- 3 straight singles (they hit 12 of them in the game) in the 7th loaded the bases for the Pirates before Andy LaRoche rolled a tailor-made double play ball to Rosales, but he bobbled it a bit and double-pumped it to BP and BP couldnt handle it with the runner bearing down on him and the ball got away. 2 runners came home on the error.
- The Reds tried to start something in the 8th when BP hit a lazy pop up to shallow right field, but Freddie Sanchez couldnt squeeze it. BP was sulking out of the box though and didnt advance to 2nd on the error. He would have scored on Bruce's subsequent single, but he did eventually come home when Rosales grounded out.
- The Pirates added an insurance run in the bottom of the 8th when Nyjer Morgan advanced to third on a wild pitch and came home on a sac fly from Freddie Sanchez.
- The Reds rallied in the 9th, with 4 straight singles from Taveras, Nix, Votto, and BP, but then Bruce flew out on a scorcher to left and Hernandez struck out. Then Rosales continued his hot ways with a single to knock in Votto before Gonzalez K'd on 3 pitches. 8-6 Pirates.
Other Notes
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- Joey Votto is still the straight bomb diggity, going 2-3 with a double and a pair of walks.
- David Weathers is still unscored-upon, though he did allow 2 inherited runners to score on the misplay by Rosales + the error by BP.
- Rhodes also pitched a third of an inning without allowing a runner to score. Stormy and the Collossus have pitched 15.3 innings so far without an earned run.
- Rosales was 3-5 with a run scored and an RBI. He is also writing on a book on making good impressions.
- There were 24 singles between the 2 teams tonight. The only XBHs were doubles from Votto and Delwyn Young and Gonzo's homer.
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i realize this isn't a huge deal but
why did Dusty bring Rhodes in with 2 out nobody on, and a 4 run deficit in the 8th?
Bloop
and you forgot taht Rosales muffed a potential double playing
turning it into nothing. Send him down he sucks on defense…
Bloop
hrrmmm
it doesnt seem like anyone is asking Dusty about BP’s non-hustle. i dont know why this is burning on me so much, but man.
Consider the Eskimos.
by Charlie Scrabbles on May 2, 2009 10:32 PM EDT reply actions
Speaking of non-hustle,
Morgan doesn’t get to third in the 8th if Hernandez actively pursues the wild pitch. Ramon casually went after it thinking Nyger would stop at second.
I can't believe nobody's asking about BP in general.
We all saw them pitch around Votto to get to him. Is Dusty ever going to do anything about it, at least against RHP?
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
Hey that's great!
I’d really like him to get lights out in AAA before he’s back here for good. I mean, three no hitters in a row would be preferable. Otherwise, I’m afraid he’s going to go right back to 4.1 IP, 6 BBI, 2 K, 5 H, 5 ER.
I didn't even know he was sick...
sad news.. we’re running out of good republicans….
Nobody listens to Andrew
by nlt-andrew68 on May 3, 2009 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions
that's for sure....
Micah would be a lor more help on this team as a left fielder than a pitcher. Esp. if Homer is ready to finally come up and do it right. Owings is terrible but he’s like at best a #4..think what a hitter this is and what he could do over an extended period of time…honing his hitting skills…
Taveris
Rosales
Votto
Bruce
Owings
Phillips
Hannigan
Gonzo
P.
This a line up I would actually pay good money to go and see.
I want to be there when a trailer full of coffins slams into a an ambulance full of terminally ill Bolivians. Or when the Reds win a WS..whichever comes first....
Owings has never played LF
never in college, never in the minors. what makes you think he could just pick it up all the sudden?
Consider the Eskimos.
by Charlie Scrabbles on May 3, 2009 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions
He's an exceptional athlete, exceptional...and an exceptional hitter
He’s not the pitcher that he is the hitter.
He has the arm to play outfield and cannot believe that if he wanted to to, (important, very much so) he could conquer left field
pretty quickly.
I want to be there when a trailer full of coffins slams into a an ambulance full of terminally ill Bolivians. Or when the Reds win a WS..whichever comes first....
Cuase I saw him in ST in person..what a sweet swing
he’s balanced, he can drive the ball to the opposite field and is a patient and disciplined batter AND because I said so
I want to be there when a trailer full of coffins slams into a an ambulance full of terminally ill Bolivians. Or when the Reds win a WS..whichever comes first....
if the Reds wanted to
and they dont, they would have to send him down to the minors to learn the position. that does not help the Reds right now. having him pitch every fifth day does.
Consider the Eskimos.
by Charlie Scrabbles on May 3, 2009 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Masset would be just as effective as Micah
I’m too lazt and (stupid) to sabremetrically prove this but it is the truth so help me Dustbag
I want to be there when a trailer full of coffins slams into a an ambulance full of terminally ill Bolivians. Or when the Reds win a WS..whichever comes first....
why not try nix?
like below about owings…
try nix maybe, while hes swinging decently?
I dont think they should remove hernandez from cueto/volq starts. He’s quietly played decently overall I think too. No problem with hairston against the lefties right now. Maybe you could even use dickerson to spell taveras once in awhile against a righty.
Nix certainly is showing us why he was once a top prospect.
I do think we would fare batter with a RH power LF though
I want to be there when a trailer full of coffins slams into a an ambulance full of terminally ill Bolivians. Or when the Reds win a WS..whichever comes first....
I didn't see the game...
did micah get screwed by that ball that took a bad hop on BP ?
Nobody listens to Andrew
by nlt-andrew68 on May 3, 2009 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah
coulda been a DP, but it was still a tough play to make for Phillips.
Consider the Eskimos.
by Charlie Scrabbles on May 3, 2009 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Check out the senatorial delegation from Maine.
I’m not sure they count as Republicans in any way except belonging, technically, to the Republican party. But, they’re ok.
Everybody's a jerk. You. Me. This jerk.
Check this out...
I can admire people of any political persuasion who say stuff like this (and really mean it), from the 1996 VP debates:
LEHRER: Some supporters of Senator Dole have expressed disappointment over his unwillingness in Hartford Sunday night to draw personal and ethical differences between him and President Clinton. How do you feel about it?
KEMP: Wow, in 90 seconds? I can’t clear my throat in 90 seconds. Jim, Bob Dole and myself do not see Al Gore and Bill Clinton as our enemy. We see them as our opponents. This is the greatest democracy in the world. People are watching not only throughout this country, but all over the world as to how this democracy can function with civility and respect, and decency and integrity. Bob Dole, um, is one of those men who served in the United States Senate, his public life is a public record. He fought on the battlefield. He has worked with Democrats and Republicans. In my opinion, it is beneath Bob Dole to go after anyone personally. Clearly, Abraham Lincoln put it best when he said you serve your party best by serving the nation first. And I can’t think of a better way of serving this nation in 1996 than by electing Bob Dole as the President of the United States of America. These issues are fully capable of being understood and reflected upon by the American people. This is a democracy in which we have the freest press and the greatest First Amendment rights in the history of mankind. And Bob and I respect that. These issues will be aired, but they’ll be aired with dignity and respect, and, ultimately, leave it to the American people to make up their minds about who should be the leader of this country into the 21st Century.
LEHRER: Mr. Vice President?
GORE: Thank you, Mr. Lehrer. And I would like to thank the people of St. Petersburg for being such wonderful hosts. My family and I are very glad to be here and I would like to thank Jack Kemp for the answer that he just gave. I think we have an opportunity tonight to have a positive debate about this country’s future. I’d like to start by offering you a deal, Jack. If you won’t use any football stories, I won’t tell any of my warm and humorous stories about chlorofluorocarbon abatement.
KEMP: It’s a deal. I can’t even pronounce it.
And a letter to his grandchildren after Obama was elected President. Good stuff.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
The party of Lincoln, (i.e., the GOP), needs to rethink and revisit its historic roots as a party of emancipation, liberation, civil rights and equality of opportunity for all. On the other hand, the party of Franklin Roosevelt, John Kennedy and now Obama must put forth an agenda that understands that getting American growing again will require both Keynesian and classical incentive-oriented (supply-side) economic ideas. But there’s time for political and economic advice in a later column (or two).
I’ll rec that.
Everybody's a jerk. You. Me. This jerk.
not me
Economics is a pseudoscience. Supply-side vs. Keynes…it’s like arguing over whether goat entrails or astrology is a better method of predicting the future.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
That's why I don't like adherence to one single theory.
Because when you get down to it – it should be about people. And the best ways to help people aren’t always going to create a vast unified plan. I’m sure that’s not exactly what Kemp means, but I think getting through this is going to take a lot of different ideas.
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disagree'd
It’s not a science, but it’s not pseudoscience either. We at least know certain things about what happens when the government intervenes in certain ways, or when we raise or lower certain taxes, or whatever. My comment above had to do with the fact that one thing we’ve learned is that Reagan-style supply-side economics was largely a bust: it didn’t do what many people said it would, though it did what most economists said it would.
One problem we run into with political arguments about economics is that by and large, most politicians never made it past the first one or two economics courses. Those tend to be the ones that talk about the glories of markets. Ideally, they would at least take three or four courses…and get to the ones that really emphasize where and how markets break down. This would help to rid us of some of the dogmatic thinking on both sides—either that there’s no role for government in the vast majority of markets, or that there’s always a role for government. There are certain types of markets where the government can do good, and certain types where it can’t. We have a pretty good feel for what these are.
And then on the macro level, we end up with people with training in economics but a political agenda talking past each other when they really agree on most things. People interpret this as economics having nothing to teach us, but that’s certainly not true.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
by Gray on May 3, 2009 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
where I disagree
We at least know certain things about what happens when the government intervenes in certain ways, or when we raise or lower certain taxes, or whatever.
See, I don’t agree with that. We don’t know. The system is far too complex, and economics is far too politicized. It’s not something we can run reliable experiments on.
The “experts” said Argentina was doomed when it defaulted on its debt. It wasn’t. It turned out to be the smart thing to do.
Then there’s the elephant in the room: the Great Depression. Until recently, everyone thought they understood what caused the Depression and how to keep it from ever happening again. The Democrats and Republicans did not agree on the causes and the cure, but both sides were certain it could never happen again.
Now there’s serious doubt about that, and I think it’s going to become evident that we really don’t fully understand the Depression, let alone to how to end or prevent one. That includes Bernanke, the supposed Great Depression expert.
On a deeper level…“mainstream” economics relies on finite growth. Infinite growth in a finite world is impossible, but only a handful of economists have considered limits to growth, and what that means for an economy that is essentially a ponzi scheme.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Have you read Bill McKibben's Deep Economy?
He’s not an economist (but then, neither is Posner, really), but he IS awesome.
Everybody's a jerk. You. Me. This jerk.
I love McKibben
Also Thomas Homer-Dixon.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Economics is not any kind of science
Is voodoo and luck and ingenuity combined with hard work and the ability rip the lungs of your competitor’s ears while sniling.
I want to be there when a trailer full of coffins slams into a an ambulance full of terminally ill Bolivians. Or when the Reds win a WS..whichever comes first....
this line is kind of sad in light of recent events:
“But there’s time for political and economic advice in a later column (or two).”
Admiral Stockdale continues to hang in there
I’m amazed that no one had Bea Arthur. She made some waves in my old death pool.
Admiral Stockdale made his final port call in 2005...RIP
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Stockdale
Nobody listens to Andrew
by nlt-andrew68 on May 4, 2009 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions
i know its a cliche
but the reds really battled tonight. they were losing the whole game but it didnt seem like anyone pressed or gave up with the exception of AGon in the last AB and BP (I am shocked, shocked!) Owings did not let the first inning rattle him. they win tomorrow for sure and then the marlins, who are not ready for our dominican wunderkinds
Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand
FWIW about calling up Bailey:
“Homer looked very good today in Buffalo. 91-93 with a few 94 mph fastballs. Mixed his pitches well and as the game went on his curve ball got better. He seems to be more of a pitcher than a thrower today. No one got past 2B today on him. Looked determined and very focused both in the pen for the warm ups and during the game.”
That doesn’t sound like “ready” to me(granted, it was cool, but that is a condition he needs to learn to pitch in). His last game he was hitting around 95mph consistantly.
I think Bailey should have some requirements:
1.Throwing consistantly in the 94-96 range
2.Consistant breaking ball
3.Serviceable slider
4.Consistant command
He has flashed a little bit of everything this spring of my requirements. But we need consistancy by all things working at the same time. If he does those thing he can be called up. His numbers should show it.
The Reds are in no rush for starting pitching right now. The season is still young and everybody is still pretty fresh. As the season goes on and fatigue/injuries start to happen, then IF Homer is doing well, he should get a chance to contribute.
But right now, you could destroy him and everything he has fought to regain.
by Johnnypronto on May 3, 2009 4:17 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Whoa, I actually kind of agree with you.
I wouldn’t say it quite as dramatically as you, but you’re right: the Reds don’t need starting pitching right now, certainly not enough to call him up and risk backsliding. It does seem like he’s making improvements in AAA, which is a good thing.
If he’s still pitching like that in a few weeks, I imagine he frees up one of the other pitchers for use as trade bait. But unless there’s an injury or someone starts looking a lot worse, where do you put him if you call him up?
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
Traid bait...
I’m hopeful but not convinced on Bailey given his past failures. Is it possible that Bailey could be the trade bait? I mean someone looks just at the Box Score #’s Bailey has put up this year and they would be willing to give up quite a bit.
Maybe, but I suspect that most GMs would be just as wary
as you are. Perhaps there’s some optimistic sucker out there, though…
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
I wish Leatherpants was still out there for situations like this.
"I can eat mayonnaise with a spoon." - Jeff Brantley
by BK on May 3, 2009 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions
That's exactly what I was thinking.
Hopefully in a couple of months the organization will have a better idea whether he’s likely to be a bust.
We can hope, right?
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
Also in a couple of months,
we’ll know who the buyers and sellers are. If Bailey continues to be gangbusters in Louisville, we can think about trying to trade another starter to a team needing an arm for the stretch run.
Bailey's problems according to my sources was bad scap load
Supposedly he has solved the problem. We shall see.
im going to rec this
because this is exactly the kind of criticism and analysis that curries favor ’round here.
but i disagree with you, for the most part. i think what you are asking Homer to do here is be Roy Oswalt before he gets the call-up. that just isnt fair. asking perfection of a 23 year old is like asking for a coke from a platypus. im afraid he’ll be 26 before he meets all of your requirements, and by then he’s really gonna hate the Reds if he is still in AAA.
i would love it for Homer to do all of this in AAA before he gets the call-up, but the reality is that one of our 5 starters is going to get hurt or traded or suck this season and we are going to need a backup. to this point, Homer has performed at a level which warrants him being the next in line.
Consider the Eskimos.
by Charlie Scrabbles on May 3, 2009 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Maloney has also pitched well enough to warrent a call up
Bloop
by justin007000 on May 3, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
true
but Bailey is the one who has been there before. not that i adhere to this kind of philosophy, but i imagine Walt and Dusty certainly do.
Consider the Eskimos.
by Charlie Scrabbles on May 3, 2009 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
i wouldn't be against Bailey coming up
but if Cincinnati wants Bailey to experience prolonged success and meet several bench marks and reach the point that the organization believes he can stick in the rotation and become a mainstay, I think Maloney would be a good guy to call up in the short term.
Bloop
by justin007000 on May 3, 2009 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
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