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Off Night Open Thread: Masset to DL, Ram-Ram coming up

Well, here's the move we've been waiting for.  Mark Sheldon is saying that, as expected, Nick Masset is finally going on the DL (even though he's been hurt for over a week) and coming up in his place will be RHP Ramon Ramirez.  As most people are probably asking, why the hell is Ramon Ramirez coming up?  After all, he's 0-3 on the season with a 5.08 ERA in 7 starts for the Bats.  Here's what I figure as the thought process behind the decision:

  • It looks like they wanted to avoid putting a player on the 40-man, which is perplexing because Bill Bray is getting surgery on his elbow and could be transferred to the 60-day DL.  Pedro Viola should be the obvious choice here, as he'd be another lefty out of the 'pen, he can pitch a few innings if needed, and has performed the best so far this year.  There's gotta be something else behind it.  Maybe another move after Lincoln is assassinated designated for assignment?
  • So if they're not adding a player to the 40-man, we can eliminate a few guys right off the bat.  Since Masset isn't there anymore, the need is for a long reliever, or a starter with Owings moving into the long relief spot.  That means the short relievers probably won't be doing much good right now.  No Roenicke, no Fisher (even though he used to start, he's a short reliever now), no Manuel (same thing) and no Bray since his arm is falling off.
  • That leaves Bailey, Maloney, LeCure, Thompson and Ramirez to call up.  It seems like it's been decided that Bailey isn't coming out of the bullpen, so he's out unless you move Owings to long relief, which he's been fine in the rotation so that's not really necessary.  Also, he's pitching tonight, so he won't be available for a few days.  Maloney and LeCure have no major league experience, and no experience out of the bullpen either.  Maloney's numbers are good to warrant a callup, but it won't happen until later on in the season when he can start.
  • That leaves Thompson and Ramirez.  Thompson fought the injury bug early in the season, and in his 5 starts, he's been worse than Ramirez.
  • Ramirez's numbers have been ugly for the most part, but in his last two starts, both have been quality starts.  In his last start, Ramirez gave up 3 runs in 7 innings and left with a 5 run lead before Viola and Fisher blew it in the 8th and 9th.  He was even better in the start before that, pitching 8 shutout innings in a 0-0 tie that was broken in the 13th.

So basically what I'm saying, is that while this move seems perplexing on the surface, there seems to actually be a rational thought process behind it.

What do you guys think?  Is Ramirez the right choice?  Is this going to last for a few days or be a long-term thing?  Personally, I would have gone with Viola to the bullpen and Bray to the 60-day DL, but I'm curious as to what you guys think.

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I wanted Fisher and he was awesome tonight as well

The Reds don’t know how to evaluate talent. It is throw stuff up against the wall with them.

by Johnnypronto on May 18, 2009 9:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

hahahaha

I miss the old days of the internet when men were men, hot girls were middle aged men, and hot underage girls were FBI agents.....

by jch24 on May 19, 2009 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you know what i think

Ram Ram doesn’t even begin to make sense in this situation………… I am sooooooo much better to OOTP than Jockjams is at MLB.

Bloop

by justin007000 on May 18, 2009 10:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm thinking

Jockstrap isn’t fooled.

We fans are hoping to contend this year, but the GM gave up on this season before it started, and a week or two of winning isn’t going to change his mind.

That explains Darnell and Nix making the roster. (Nix has worked out okay so far, but I don’t think Jocketty cares either way. They’re just cheap roster filler.)

That’s why he doesn’t bother to use the DL until it’s absolutely necessary. Why pay big league money if you don’t have to?

I think he’s just going through the motions this year. He has a plan for the team, but it doesn’t including contending this year.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on May 18, 2009 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

i don't fucking care

if you believe that the players need to go all out, so does the organization, and the cash they would pay for time those players are on the big league roster is petty cash for the Reds and Bobby C. This team might not contend all year, but throwing away roster spots isn’t helping the cause, I’m not saying the Reds should trade away a big time prospect for a one year rental at any point this year, but DLing Gonzo when Phillips and Votto were sick woulda helped (I know they won while they were out), and DLing Masset on San Diego and fucking putting a player on a goddamn plane out to San Diego mid series woulda helped. I mean a fucking plane ticket costs at most $600.

Bloop

by justin007000 on May 18, 2009 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow. I never met angry justin...

I kinda’ lake him!

"Whether you like it or not, history is on our side. We will bury you!"

by "Red" Moskau on May 19, 2009 8:02 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

A rare rec

…without making me laugh. We can’t really prove it, but it just rings true…

"Whether you like it or not, history is on our side. We will bury you!"

by "Red" Moskau on May 19, 2009 8:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't understand what you said about Fisher...

if he’s a long reliever, why is he obviously out?

Let me write out a formal proof for you.

by Gray on May 18, 2009 10:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I meant short reliever, it's fixed now.

In Fisher’s last 10 outings he’s had one outing of 2 innings, and 4 between 1 1/3 and 1 2/3, but none over two. Not what I would call recent long relief experience, but he’d still be my choice over Ramirez. Manuel pitches a little more than Fisher, with two 2-inning appearances, and all of his last 10 between 1 and 2 innings. Still, it doesn’t look like something the Reds feel comfortable with, bringing up a reliever from AAA to make his ML debut in the bullpen. It seems like they’d rather have someone who was a starter in AAA or has ML experience.

"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san

by BK on May 18, 2009 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That makes...no sense at all.
Still, it doesn’t look like something the Reds feel comfortable with, bringing up a reliever from AAA to make his ML debut in the bullpen.

Let me write out a formal proof for you.

by Gray on May 18, 2009 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, it doesn't does it.

I meant as a long reliever. I’m just saying that it seems like if they’ve needed a long reliever in the past, they’d use a AAA starter like Ramirez (Pettyjohn, Saarloos, Lizard) rather than being up someone who’s not used to it to pitch in that long relief role. Especially when you consider that this guy likely won’t pitch more than once or twice a week, doesn’t it seem like a better option to keep Fisher getting regular time in Louisville?

"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san

by BK on May 18, 2009 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

doesn’t it seem like a better option to keep Fisher getting regular time in Louisville?

if this were a long term move I would say yes, but if Masset isn’t on the shelf that long, I don’t think it will stunt Fisher’s development.

Bloop

by justin007000 on May 18, 2009 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think it depends on how Dusty would use him

If they could bring him up and Dusty would use him as a normal reliever like he does with Burton/Lincoln/Herrera then it’d be just fine. But since he’s so resigned to that “long reliever” role, I don’t think that’s how it would work. It’s perfectly fathomable that Ramirez gets only one or two (or zero!) appearances before Masset gets back.

"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san

by BK on May 18, 2009 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

this is how I see it

Maloney is still a prospect, as is Bailey, obviously. RamRam is a non-prospect, Lizard-esque filler at this point, so there’s no worries about screwing around with his arm. Might as well baby Maloney and Bailey until they are absolutely needed

Ali Boombaye

by Cy Schourek on May 19, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ramirez

I think it was the right move.

by Brian B on May 18, 2009 11:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

So does Mads

Rameriz (who I once had higher hopes for) does have ML experience and he can sit around and maybe not get used at all. Meanwhile the comments of BubbaFan are eerily filled with truthiness.

Never Try and Never, ever Care - That’s the Madville Way

by Madville on May 18, 2009 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

watched the Bucs play the Nati'nals tonight

Man, that ballpark looked empty.

Adam Dunn is immense. The Pirates all looked like shrimps beside him.

What’s with the green hats? A lot of fans were wearing green hats.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on May 18, 2009 11:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

everyone in DC reps their Irish heritage

something I’ve noticed around here…they sell a lot of sweatshirts with the logo of whatever sports team with a shamrock with the logo. In kelly green. It’s like Boston south where every gringo suddenly got a mass-memo that decided they were part-Irish

Ali Boombaye

by Cy Schourek on May 19, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

it was

a whole bunch of people. Mostly older men. Sitting behind home plate.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on May 19, 2009 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bailey had the sign of the devil tonight

6 IP, 6H, 6K (Matt Wieters once) . . . 2 ER and the L as he gets no run support.

by Brian B on May 18, 2009 11:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

sounds like the right choice

Especially with the Reds not being 100% about Volquez right now, they definitely need a guy who can start and start soon.

by cokane on May 18, 2009 11:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I do not get paid to worry about this shit

My only concern is, how can i sneak a lot of bourbon into GABP and still wear tight clothing?

tellin' tales of drunkenness and cruelty

by Colin Auscapee on May 18, 2009 11:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

wear a wool cap

and maybe a sports jacket

Bloop

by justin007000 on May 18, 2009 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

With a handle like yours, you should already know the answer to this

"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san

by BK on May 18, 2009 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh yeah, and a hip flask is a worthwhile investment

"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san

by BK on May 18, 2009 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

or take vodka

and fill up regular water bottles with vodka, if the bottles are tightly closed and in a cooler they won’t think twice. Or even better take some clear rum and some coke.

Bloop

by justin007000 on May 18, 2009 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Isn't that kind of suspicious?

Seems like it would noticeably heavier than a normal bag of peanuts. But if that works for you, more power to ya.

"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san

by BK on May 18, 2009 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and somtimes they poke a stick around to

if the poke the stick in the bag of peanuts they may be like him, that seems too hard. Or they just don’t give a fuck and as long as you are flagrant they don’t look for trouble.

Bloop

by justin007000 on May 19, 2009 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

rec'd for bringing it home at the end

I miss the old days of the internet when men were men, hot girls were middle aged men, and hot underage girls were FBI agents.....

by jch24 on May 19, 2009 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

TWSS.

Let me write out a formal proof for you.

by Gray on May 19, 2009 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If all else fails drink it before you go into the park.

Really fast so the effects will take some catching up with you. Around the 3rd inning you can start buying $9.00 Buds and get your buzz back.

Never Try and Never, ever Care - That’s the Madville Way

by Madville on May 18, 2009 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Only if you put a bubber band...oh never mind

Never Try and Never, ever Care - That’s the Madville Way

by Madville on May 18, 2009 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

AKA “Brewers droop”

There have to be some good jokes with that one.

by ol Pete on May 18, 2009 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well sister D. it is a comic strip,

A random, existential, non-sequential and alienated comic strip.
Maybe you meant it wasn’t funny…to you that is.

I wet my pants…I felt pleasure

Never Try and Never, ever Care - That’s the Madville Way

by Madville on May 18, 2009 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice recap!

I don’t agree with the team’s decision, but it is comforting to be able to attach some kind of logic/thought process to it. I, too, like the idea of bringing up Viola.

(we could start a string section: we’d have a Bass and a Viola. We could bring Mark Lemon-cello out of retirement. Maybe Sam Horn, too?)

The bigger concern the decision to play entire series short-handed. It just doesn’t make sense— unless Bobby C. has serious financial issues.

"Whether you like it or not, history is on our side. We will bury you!"

by "Red" Moskau on May 19, 2009 8:17 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I see no reason why the Mets would trade Reyes

"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty

by Slyde on May 19, 2009 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And I'm not sure the Reds have what it takes to get him without giving up Bruce, Cueto, Votto, or Volquez.

"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty

by Slyde on May 19, 2009 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You don't think they'd do Reyes for Yonder straight up?

WIth Delgado getting up there in age?

"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san

by BK on May 19, 2009 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd do that trade

I’d think the Mets would want something else in addition to Yonder though.

by Brendanukkah on May 19, 2009 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

uhh yeah me too

’cause that trade is bananas. Reyes is one of the best players in baseball. methinks if the Mets were inclined to trade him, it would take much, much more than that.

go look that up in your Funk and Wagnalls

by Charlie Scrabbles on May 19, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

maybe Votto and then some for Reyes, but not Yonder

I might have to think about that. but the Mets certainly wont.

go look that up in your Funk and Wagnalls

by Charlie Scrabbles on May 19, 2009 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If they'd take Yonder + Owings/Bailey I'd do it yesterday

Not very likely though, methinks.

I miss the old days of the internet when men were men, hot girls were middle aged men, and hot underage girls were FBI agents.....

by jch24 on May 19, 2009 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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