"The world breaks everyone, and afterwards many are strong at the breaking point. But those that will not break, it kills."
Joe Nuxhall Memorial Honorary Star of the Game
Nobody. Bruce and Nix both hit home runs. The extra innings pitchers did a pretty good job. But everybody on both teams was pretty much worthless and miserable. We'll give the award to Hundley just for ending this Terry Schiavo of a baseball game.
Key Plays
- In the 8th inning, Jim Joyce, the homeplate umpire, did not call strikes on balls that were clearly in the zone, and David Weathers consequently walked in the tying run.
viaFanGraphs
Other Notes
- These are the kind of games that can fuck up a team for a long time to come. The Reds have made a habit of winning the game right after a particularly disheartening loss. If they can do that again tomorrow, then I will still have hope for this season. If not, my love for this team might have died tonight.
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Word up 'Nukkah
We get swept by these assholes in 12 hours and we’ll be able to point to this series as the one that destroyed 2009.
I'm glad I went to bed
16 innings? Ye gods.
And Owings pitched 5.2 innings. Yikes.
Janish doesn’t even get into a 16 inning game. He’s dead and buried in a shallow grave, isn’t he?
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
It's because Gonzalez is doing such a masterful job of holding down short.
It is literally impossible to replace that sub .500 OPS. Janish could only hope to attain such a stat.
CoCo was the only guy left in the pen after Owings
Maybe he was saving Janish to pitch again.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
The Dusty....
didn’t run Harang out there in extra frames again, did he?
by Highlifeman21 on May 17, 2009 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Why can't Cordero pitch instead of startes on short rest?
I seem to remember seeing Heath Bell in the game
What?!? This again?
and I was about make a comment about how this team has been really good at bouncing back from tough losses so far.
Today might be the most important game of our young season.
Tanzen!
by Verka Serduchka on May 17, 2009 8:02 AM EDT reply actions
Well - up and at 'em 8:;33am
All refreshed after a little baseball last night…I’m still amazed that after the grinding effort by the Reds that their ‘manager’ left a totally out of gas Owings in the game while Coco sat.. Also frustrating was the number of times Dusty had Cordero up and throwing ( 3 or 4).
I am a little concerned about Votto’s dizziness..he’s going to miss today’s game. So presume that means Hernia at 1st, HaniganMan at C. Meanwhile Kudos to Rosy for coming and playing a decent 1st base and actually getting on base…of course he’s no Alex Gonzales, And how about that Jannish guy,,,,it must have really been a confidence booster to sit through all those innings and not be asked to contribute in any way, I’m sure Dusty was thinking, What if this goes 17 or 18 inings and someone gets hurt, and of course you must always have a catcher on the bench, especially if he’s hitting like .360 .
Dusty is Dusty, he’s not going to change things very quickly, if at all. And then there’s his dying father. I know form experience how it eats away at you when you’re watching a parent go through an extended illness with (apparently) no hope of recovery. It is draining emotionally in many many ways,
I hope the Reds win one today.
I hope that Dusty’s dad is resting comfortably and that Dusty and his family make it through this time as best they can, with love and support from each other and from the entire Red’s and baseball community. I like Dusty Baker in general and wish him God speed.
Never Try and Never, ever Care - That’s the Madville Way
The Fay
stayed up past his bedtime to post this report:
Joey Votto is unavailable after leaving Saturday’s game with dizziness. Nick Masset is out with a side strain and headed for the DL. Jared Burton threw two innings Saturday.
But with Louisville playing in Durham, the Reds won’t be able to get a player to San Diego in time for today’s game.
"They’re all the way on the East Coast," Dusty Baker said. "We’re going to have to go with what we’ve got.
"Go Bronson."
Bronson Arroyo is scheduled to start Sunday. The game will begin less than 13 hours after the Saturday’s game ended.
Owings probably won’t be able to start Wednesday. He threw 5 2/3 innings Saturday.
“He was out of gas,” Baker said. “But we didn’t have much choice. We were down to (Coco) Cordero. It was (Owings’) last inning. We were go with Cordero as long as could.”
Uh, boy. If Bronson went out partying after the game last night, we’re doomed.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
That is bullshit.
There are multiple morning flights out of RDU that would get a player to San Diego in time for a 1 PM game. There’s a 6:25 on American, arriving at 10:05, and there’s a 6:00 on Continental arriving at 10:39.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
Also, at what point do we not excuse the total lack of forethought?
Everybody's a jerk. You. Me. This jerk.
by andromache on May 17, 2009 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Especially considering the lack of DL-ing this team appears to be doing.
I’m not quite sure what’s going on in the front office these days.
"I do and the [hu] of some person am me and others the woman it loves."
by Ash on May 17, 2009 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Recs for both of you
What the heck were they thinking, not using the DL when going on a road trip to the west coast, while Louisville was headed for the east coast?
I really don’t get it. You can see trying to carry a big star when he’s not 100%. But why on earth were they so reluctant to DL A-Gon and Massett?? They’re not exactly irreplaceable.
Most teams freak out at the idea of being short-handed. The Reds just don’t seem to care. Hey, they’ve got Janish on the bench. Dusty said a few weeks ago that Janish could do everything but pitch. Well, now he can pitch, too. Our one-man taxi squad.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
well, obviously
Since he’s the bench, he can only be used in a break-glass in case of emergency type situation. What if they use him as a pitcher, then need him as a third catcher? And if they burn him as a catcher, what will they do if they need an infielder?
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Well...
There are boats in San Diego…
… and a gaslight district…
by Highlifeman21 on May 17, 2009 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Wait a minute.
Dusty doesn’t even have the city right: the Bats played Saturday night in Norfolk.
And for what it’s worth, there were flights from Norfolk on four different airlines that would have arrived in San Diego by noon, including two arriving before 11 AM. So the claim is doubly bullshit.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
Simmah
This is NOT going fuck up the Reds. Bullet point time:
- There is an off day Monday
- Owings is not as critical to our success as Harang was last year
- The reason for this is because there are 2 pitchers at AAA who seem capable of throwing at least average innings (Homer and Maloney)
- Admiral Rubber Arm of the HMS Nasty Hook is throwing today, and given his recent pattern he’s a lock to go 7 innings.
- And finally, even if the Reds lose today, it’s a .500 road trip, which I think nearly everyone would have taken given the team’s history of West Coast struggles.
If there’s reason to be concerned, it’s this dizziness Votto keeps reporting.
by teb7 on May 17, 2009 9:56 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I hope you're right about Bronson...
However, his day/night splits (I wish I had the numbers handy – anyone?) are astonishing. I believe his ERA in day games is over 10. He’s gotten a “reputation” around here for a reason.
"I do and the [hu] of some person am me and others the woman it loves."
If last call is the same in San Diego as it is in Cincinnati...
He had plenty of time to par-tay. Hell, he was probably sitting in the Bullpen, ready to go in his jeans and striped button-down, keys in hand at the end…
"I do and the [hu] of some person am me and others the woman it loves."
For the record
Opponents have a .790 OPS against in day games and a .759 against in night games. There’s definitely a difference, but not as pronounced as I thought. I think it’s been worse in recent years (like since he’s been a Red)
Isn't there a slanket somewhere you should be filling with your farts?
Also something interesting
he loved Jason Varitek as his catcher (.740 OPS against in 67 games) but hated Paul Bako (.875 OPS against in 14 games)
Doesn’t mean anything for today, just more evidence that Bako suuuuuuucked.
Isn't there a slanket somewhere you should be filling with your farts?
His odd split this year...
and I’m hoping it’s just a sample size issue, is home/away. Opponents have a 1.229 OPS in his three home starts, and a .771 OPS in his four away starts.
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went to bed not feeling well in the 6th inning
woke up at three am to feed the newborn and was quoted as saying, “ah hell not this again.” dusty, you left micah out there two innings too long with coco and janish available to pitch. screw you.
"I never use a big word when a diminutive one will work." — Pete Mackanin.
At what point does Dusty stop putting Lincoln in
in reasonably important situations? I know that Rhodes and Weathers didn’t look great, either, but I don’t understand using Lincoln then. At all.
And I agree with the above comments. Alex Gonzalez went ZERO FOR SIX (okay, with a walk), and Dusty couldn’t find a way to get Janish in the game? FTH?
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
That walk was intentional (again), like it was the night before.
I am going to bitch and moan about A-Gon until something friggin gets done. It’s an embarrassment.
Davey Concepcion is not walking through that door! Barry Larkin is not walking through that door!
by Brendanukkah on May 17, 2009 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
We have at least one more year of Lincoln sucking.
Signed thru 2010.
Thanks for waking up from your nap in time to sign a washed out Cardinal reclamation project, Walt!
Phone's ringing, Dude.
I went to bed after Bruce's homer
Which I am glad I did. Good thing for the off day. Our rotation should be fine, as long as Dusty doesn’t try to pitch Owings on Wed. The home plate ump called a horrible strike zone, that being said i can’t believe Willy T, A Gonz, Bruce, and the rest of our entire offence was so pathetic. 8 hits in 16 innings is like watching 2 bad games, good thing it only counted for 1 loss!
What time did this end on EST?
by Dave from Louisville on May 17, 2009 10:38 AM EDT reply actions
The yahoo box score says it lasted 5:14...
It started at 10:05, right? So that means it ended at 3:19 EDT.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
I swear it was later than that.
I could be wrong – it was a long, long night, but I swear it lasted until around 3:40. Not that 20 minutes is a huge deal, just sayin’…
"I do and the [hu] of some person am me and others the woman it loves."
Apparently it got censored
But I used this image originally in the post, and it made me chuckle a little.
by Brendanukkah on May 17, 2009 10:45 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
As a heathen, I also enjoyed it thoroughly.
(It was acutally the first thing I looked for this morning because when I originally saw it, I figured it was not long for the site. Sadly, He was gone.)
"I do and the [hu] of some person am me and others the woman it loves."
yeah
I just didn’t like it as a front and center image for the site. It properly expressed the anger over a loss like this, but I’m afraid of the extra messages that are sent along with it.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
Also, whoever it is in that picture
is giving the same look Weathers gave the ump last night for a full five minutes after leaving the game.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
It's either Max Von Sydow or Jim Caviezel
I can’t tell.
"I do and the [hu] of some person am me and others the woman it loves."
Anyone have the technology
To see the pitch track or gamecast or whatever for the calls that Weathers was crying about? At the bar I was at, the pitch he left on seemed at least 3 inches off the plate, but I was drunk and it was loud.
Who gots the goods?
by Obi Juan Kenobez on May 17, 2009 10:51 AM EDT reply actions
The gameday archives are still there...
Go here. Due to some stupid formatting issue, I can’t scroll down to those ABs, but perhaps you can.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
I got it
But too stupid to figure out how to post it here.
Nevertheless, it appears Stormy did get boned proper on that ball 4 call. Shit happens.
by Obi Juan Kenobez on May 17, 2009 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
I think the way to do it
would be to take a screen shot, then cut out the relevant picture of the pitches, and post that image here.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
Maybe, but he was given some help on strikes 1 and 2.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
It is possible that the Pitch FX cameras were slightly off-center too
move the strike zone a smidge to the left, in this picture, and all of the pitches look right.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
I just started up mlb.tv in the eighth inning...
and the announcer was going on and on about how Rhodes has never allowed a run, and Weathers has only done it once.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
How did ball three
on the one-out walk look? Weathers gave the ump a nice stare after that one. It looked good on TV.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
Ball three on the two-out walk, too.
Jesus, what a small strike zone.
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our leadoff hitter, in a huge extra-inning game against San Diego
went 0-7 with 2 Ks. im not concerned.
one of our starters threw more than 70 pitches on 3 days rest. im not concerned.
Dusty completely misused his closer. im not concerned.
two of our best players left the game. im not concerned.
but seriously, i dont think it’s as bad as it could be. Owings can be skipped in the rotation because of the off day. if the Reds know whats up, he wont start until next Saturday. it is frustrating that they couldnt get an arm on a plane this morning. that should not have been difficult. im actually pretty proud of Dusty for his handling of the pen yesterday. Owings was the long man, with the off-day coming up and Masset down, and he pitched more than 1 inning. and he still had 2 bench players left and a reliever left if it had gone on longer. awful way to lose a game though. and i stayed up that late like a fool.
go look that up in your Funk and Wagnalls
by Charlie Scrabbles on May 17, 2009 10:52 AM EDT reply actions
I agree with you...
that Dusty couldn’t have managed to bullpen too much better. He seems determined only to let Herrera face one batter at a time, which is annoying but not too bad. And the long man was injured but not on the DL…not much he could do about that. So going with Owings was about the best possible move at the time.
The pitching move that annoyed me was sending in Lincoln when he did. I continue to think that he shouldn’t get anywhere near an important situation, except as a last resort.
But much worse was playing Gonzalez for the entire freaking game. Ugh, ugh, ugh.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
Is it possible to place managers on the bereavement list?
I haven’t been truly frustrated with any of Dusty’s moves this season until we got to San Diego. This series, of course, came immediately after he went to visit his very sick father in Sacramento on the off day. I have no idea if it’s the case, but it seems reasonable to speculate that his mind isn’t 100% on baseball games. Can we give him a brief leave of absence and let Speiers try running the show?
Or is it just some kind of strange aura about San Diego that no matter how shitty the Padres are, we just can’t take care of business against them.
I don't know...
none of this shit seems out of character for Dusty.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
How many guys are currently injured
but not on the DL?
I understand Votto, and we’ll wait and see with Volquez. But there’s Masset, right? And probably Gonzalez, too. Anybody else?
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
Wow... Maybe I should have checked to see if the game was still going when i got home from prom...
People Don't Kill People. Burning Couches Kill People.
You came home from prom?
Well, there’s your first mistake.
How’d it go?
by Brendanukkah on May 17, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
haha
It went pretty well… The dance itself was pretty lame, but the pre prom dinner was fun and then we went bowling in our tuxes and dresses until 1 in the morning
People Don't Kill People. Burning Couches Kill People.
crolfer, bowling?
Madville just came in his pants.
by Brendanukkah on May 17, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
How did Rosales look at first?
Notice that Hanigan also never came in. Hernandez played 16 innings at catcher.
I guess at least with Arroyo pitching today, Hanigan will start…and Hernandez will be at first, right? I know playing Rosales or Janish and not Gonzalez is too much to ask.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
I just noticed
that Owings didn’t hit for himself when he came in (at least, not the first AB). Instead, Dusty PH’d McDonald.
Seriously?
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yeah
im ok with that. Owings was warming up in the pen at the time of the AB.
go look that up in your Funk and Wagnalls
by Charlie Scrabbles on May 17, 2009 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Although, there's nobody preferable to Darnell McDonald available?
Nobody? Were we saving Janish and Hanigan for the 14th or 15th inning? (Not that that happened either.)
"I do and the [hu] of some person am me and others the woman it loves."
well yeah
i would rather go with Janish or Hanigan, but Walt’s the jerk who keeps McDonald on the roster. at that point, you have 3 righty swingers on the bench, one is your 2nd catcher, one is your defensive maven, and one is a bum eating fruit rollups on the bench. it should have been Gomes.
go look that up in your Funk and Wagnalls
by Charlie Scrabbles on May 17, 2009 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Did I miss this?
Where was it established that McDonald was Walt’s boy?
by Obi Juan Kenobez on May 17, 2009 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I blame Bob.
I suspect that he’s trying to work out a sponsorship deal with a major fast food franchise, which requires that Walt and Dusty keep Darnell on the team and play him in inopportune situations.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
Walt is the GM
and thus the only one who can rid the team of his presence. so i blame him.
go look that up in your Funk and Wagnalls
by Charlie Scrabbles on May 17, 2009 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Bullshit.
I’m sure Dusty has plenty of say over the roster. If he wanted McDonald off the team, he’d be off the team.
There was some talk from one of the journalists early in the season
about how Dusty becomes enamored of certain players, and this year it was McDonald.
by Brendanukkah on May 17, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
its like that in many companies/corporations
time to show Dusty this clip
GLENGARRY
"I've actually never had a drink before, tonight I might try it out. We'll see."
—Dodgers pitcher Clayton Kershaw, on turning 21
I don't get what he sees in him.
I understand why he would like players like Cherry or even Patterson, given that he saw him play decently well years ago. But what does he see in McDonald?
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
I'm not that cynical...
I don’t think he’s actually been racist in dealing with his players.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
I'm not really saying he's being racist
but I think it’s pretty clear that Dusty has some misguided views on race and baseball and given the media-created crisis of “not enough black players in the major leagues”, I wouldn’t be surprised if Dusty decided, either consciously or subconsciously, that Darnell was more worthy of an extended shot because of his race.
"misguided"
Dusty has a point, if that’s his contention and it’s not misguided. Allowing his theory to leave McDonlad on the roster, however, is misguided
Well, the guy who lost the position battle in spring training was Jonny Gomes
I’m not saying. I’m just saying.
by Brendanukkah on May 17, 2009 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
its possible Darnell is a hell of a nice guy
and everyone likes an underdog.
"I've actually never had a drink before, tonight I might try it out. We'll see."
—Dodgers pitcher Clayton Kershaw, on turning 21
I don't...
I like the guy who will best help my baseball team.
"I do and the [hu] of some person am me and others the woman it loves."
well
we know Dusty is stupid with players. while i blame them both, Walt is supposed to be the man in charge.
go look that up in your Funk and Wagnalls
by Charlie Scrabbles on May 17, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, but if Dusty's telling Walt he wants to keep McDonald around...
I think it’s unlikely that Walt would create conflict by getting rid of him. Jocko always gave TLR what he wanted in St. Louis, and Dusty carries a similar level of “respect” in the game. If we still had Jerry Narron or Pete Mackanin at manager it’d be one thing, but I very much doubt that we’ll see Walt directly defy something that Dusty wants to do.
agreed
The buck stops with the GM when it comes to the roster. It’s his job to save the manager from himself, if necessary.
I think we saw that with Patterson last year. They did send him down. Unfortunately, injury meant they had to call him up again. There really was nobody else. Which was the GM’s fault, not the manager’s.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Nobody!
McDonald: .212/.257/.273 in 35 PAs
Hanigan: .310/.362/.333 in 48 PAs (lifetime: .271/.367/.365 in 157 PAs)
Janish: .345/.424/.448 in 34 PAs (lifetime: .229/.311/.303 in 123 PAs)
Nope, I don’t see a better option than McDonald.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
Two men on, two out.
Hanigan and Janish on the bench, Owings coming in to pitch…
Batting McDonald is the worst possible choice there.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
He WILL not use his second catcher there. Like all managers, he keeps his 2nd catcher
as a back up in case of injury. And, Gray, honestly, Janish’s worth to the team is with his glove, not his bat. I see no real difference between the two of them with regards to their bats.
come on
none of these guys have more than 150 career ABs in the majors. and moreover, their minor league numbers suggest that none of them are world-beaters. i would have PHed Janish there, but its not completely stupid to hit McD. he sucks and he shouldnt be here, but it had to be somebody. this isnt Castro-for-Hamilton we’re talking about.
go look that up in your Funk and Wagnalls
by Charlie Scrabbles on May 17, 2009 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes, it is completely stupid...
to look at the available options and pick McDonald. We all agree that he shouldn’t be sitting on the bench, but that doesn’t mean he has to bat.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
while McDonald isnt the best choice
none of them were ideal. though Janish is better than McDonald, the difference between them isnt so great as to call it completely stupid. nobody hit last night, so to blame Dusty for hitting McD is just misguided.
go look that up in your Funk and Wagnalls
by Charlie Scrabbles on May 17, 2009 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
We're all arguing the same thing from different points:
The bottom line is that Darnell McDonald does not belong on this team. If we’re serious about winning, and fostering a tradition of winning, we need to stop having offensive black holes on the roster.
"I do and the [hu] of some person am me and others the woman it loves."
What you said.
I, for one, am tired of this team talking out both sides of its mouth. They keep saying how they want to win, but that’s not reflected with how they handle the roster. By that I don’t just mean keeping McDonald around, but also how they handle the DL situations.
Have they put Bray on the 60-day DL yet?
Phone's ringing, Dude.
Just wondering. Since EdE's gone,
Is Alex is the new scapegoat for everything? Jeez, dudes, it’s like reading Fay’s blog: every loss is Dusty’s loss and some chosen whipping boy. This was a team loss.
I like EdE a lot more than Gonzalez.
EdE is young, has a ton of potential, and makes stupid defensive mistakes but is often also excellent defensively. Gonzalez is old, probably injured, has lost all of his range, and can’t hit.
No, he’s not personally responsible for the loss, but he failed to perform, and Dusty should have enough evidence to expect him to continue to fail to perform. Of course he’ll continue to start.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
uhhh
Taveras went 0-7 with 2 Ks. should he be on the cross too?
go look that up in your Funk and Wagnalls
by Charlie Scrabbles on May 17, 2009 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Taveras had a shitty game.
Alex Gonzalez is having a shitty half-decade.
"I do and the [hu] of some person am me and others the woman it loves."
It's not just about this game.
Gonzalez has sucked all season. Taveras had a craptastic night. But just a reminder, on the season:
Taveras: .295/.354/.379
Gonzalez: .171/.225/.280
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
If you count it up, that was ten scoreless innings to finish up the game
I was pretty honked off at everyone and everything last night.
by Brendanukkah on May 17, 2009 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
exactly
nobody hit after the 6th inning. we dont need someone’s head on a pike for this.
go look that up in your Funk and Wagnalls
by Charlie Scrabbles on May 17, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Players who hit (or walked) after the sixth inning:
Rosales: single
Nix: walk, double
Dickerson: walk
BP: single (and subsequent CS), walk
Hernandez: walk
Players who batted did not hit or walk after the sixth inning:
Taveras
Hairston
Bruce
Gonzalez
McDonald
Owings
Replacing one of the guaranteed outs (in this case, Gonzalez) with someone who could have had a chance of ending up in the first category may not have helped, but it definitely wouldn’t have hurt.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
those in your hit column
did that in 10 innings of work. going 1-for-10 innings doesnt do much to separate yourself.
go look that up in your Funk and Wagnalls
by Charlie Scrabbles on May 17, 2009 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I wasn't arguing that it does...
but that hit column does contradict your earlier statement.
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way to take me too literally, Gray
you know what i meant
go look that up in your Funk and Wagnalls
by Charlie Scrabbles on May 17, 2009 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
But I do think the point I made below those lists still stands...
Yes, most guys didn’t do much all game, but clearly something is wrong with Gonzalez. How this organization can continue to start him and play him for entire 16-inning games—with a decent option on the bench—is beyond me.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
oh i agree
something is definitely wrong with Gonzo. but i dont think we can reasonably expect the Reds to do anything about it until the end of the month. im guessing here, but i think they probably have a “give ’em 2 months” policy before re-evaluating players. and i kinda agree with that.
i think in this case though, Gonzo looks so bad out there that something needs to be done ASAP. but then, you cant blame the Reds too much for wanting to see if he snaps out of it. he is a $5.5 mil investment, and he was pretty good up until his injury. you could make an argument that he’s earned the opportunity to prove himself. and let’s be honest, Paul Janish isnt really the kind of guy to be breaking down doors to get into the game. if Janish is the answer, i dont really want to hear the question.
so i guess what im trying to say is, this is a pretty crappy situation for the Reds. you have a guy you were kinda counting on and he isnt doing it. and your plan B looks more like a plan C. personally, i’d like to see them trade for a SS.
go look that up in your Funk and Wagnalls
by Charlie Scrabbles on May 17, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I get that Janish isn't an All Star SS...
but he’s clearly a defensive whiz, and I’m willing to grant that maybe he has made actual improvement in his hitting. He hasn’t made a fool of himself at bat this year. That’s not to say he wouldn’t, but I’m willing to give him a chance before dismissing him as a failure.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
yeah me too
im willing to give him a shot, but im not holding my breath.
go look that up in your Funk and Wagnalls
by Charlie Scrabbles on May 17, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
The time to try it
would have been when we could have DL’d Gonzalez and only guaranteed a few more days without him. Since they didn’t do that, they seem to be pretty determined to start him for a while.
Sigh.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
We knew SS was a weak spot going into the season
I’m happy to play Janish there over Gonzalez. I’d even take Hairston, when he’s in one of his inexplicable “carry the team” bursts. None of them are really long term solutions, I realize, but Janish hasn’t done anything this season to diminish his case for more playing time, while Gonzalez has been pretty awful. He’ll be gone after this year, but that seems too far away for my liking.
by Brendanukkah on May 17, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Dusty told Hal yesterday that he feels for Janish
but he has to give Gonzo at bats “to get going.” To me that’s fairness. BP hit himself out of his slump and, while Gonzalez is no BP, he certainly ain’t gonna start hitting the ball while Paul is playing SS.
In the end, the funny thing, I agree with Gray, except I think he is putting WAY too much emphasis on Gonzo’s sucking relative to the team’s success. If you are counting on your 8 hitter to make your offense go, then you’re in trouble.
A SS’s job is take runs OFF the board for the opposing players without being Corey Patterson-esque with the stick. Gonzo deserves the chance to show whether he can do that this season and I’m willing to give him 2 more weeks to show me.
But, it’s this McCoy’esque fascination with one person losing a game last night that frustrates me and there are far too many smart people on this board who are subscribing to that theory.
In the end, there was one guy at fault for losing that game and that guy’s name is David Weathers.
The Weathers bit
Since you preceded it by blasting anyone that blamed one person for the loss. Weathers didn’t help, but he was also getting squeezed by the strike zone. In the end, everyone was just pretty damn bad last night.
by Brendanukkah on May 17, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I think
the blaming A-Gon thing was at least partly a joke. He did seem to be coming around before his most recent injury.
My beef is not putting him on the DL when he was injured. Let him heal fully and “get going” in Louisville. I know he didn’t want to go on the DL. I’m sure he’s more disappointed than anyone with how he’s played as a Red. But common. They gotta quit carrying the walking wounded if they’re serious about winning.
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I don't think this particular gripe falls on Dusty
Walt’s job is to make sure Dusty has a team he can win with. Whether that means acquiring new players or grooming the talent in the minor leagues, that’s what his job is. More importantly, it means when players get hurt, he needs to replace them on the active roster. It seems silly to me that someone that’s been around the game as long as he has doesn’t realize that he can’t give Dusty a roster full of gimpy and sick players and expect to win games. Situations like this show one of two things; that he doesn’t know how the disabled list system works, or that he’s not doing his job to help Dusty put a winning team on the field. So I’ll say it again. DO YOUR FUCKING JOB, WALT.
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by BK on May 17, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
agreed
Use of the DL is not the manager’s decision. It’s the GM’s.
I gotta wonder if the Reds are so reluctant to use the DL because it costs money. A player on the DL gets paid big league money, and so does his replacement, if it’s a call up from the minors. With attendance down this year, maybe the bean-counters are carrying the day.
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by BubbaFan on May 17, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I wonder what the truth of that is
Walt knows the DL, after all as GM he had Chris Carpenter under contract! I think the Gonzo DL situation arose because of a lack of options on the 40 man roster, but it’s starting to look like they’re trying to save money or something silly
Even if that's the reason
it’s not good enough. Not putting the best team possible on the field using what you have available to save a few bucks is inexcusable. When did Mike Brown take over the Reds?
"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san
by BK on May 17, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think anybody is arguing that it's a good reason...
plus it doesn’t even make sense. Showing that you care about fielding a winning team surely generates enough revenue to cover a couple of guys at league minimum salary.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
i hate west coast extra inning games
thats the first one in quite some time that outlasted me, I had to turn in.
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—Dodgers pitcher Clayton Kershaw, on turning 21
Finally caught up
I had the DVR set to tape until 3, so I missed the ending, but it sounds like I didn’t miss much. The fact that Viola isn’t on a plane to SD right now is bullshit.
"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san
He's been "headed to the DL" for 3 days now
It’s completely asinine to think that they can’t execute a simple roster move. Walt needs to wake the hell up from his coma.
"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san
by BK on May 17, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
he's in STL for his kid's graduation
sipping mimosas and consuming fried ravioli.
"I've actually never had a drink before, tonight I might try it out. We'll see."
—Dodgers pitcher Clayton Kershaw, on turning 21
I was at a dive bar last Sunday night
And as part of Mother’s Day, they were doing unlimited mimosas for $10. And the guy next to me got all excited because he had broken the record for most mimosas drank (I think he had 28 or something). But I was like, Dude, you’re really that excited for most mimosas drank? Really? As records go, that seems like one of the ones I’d be most likely to describe in a way that would make Colin mad at me.
by Brendanukkah on May 17, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't get champagne at all...
and I definitely don’t understand why anyone would mix it with any sort of juice.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
i get having one mimosa at a Sunday brunch
i definitely dont get having a second…much less a third.
New topic: least interesting records one could set?
"I've actually never had a drink before, tonight I might try it out. We'll see."
—Dodgers pitcher Clayton Kershaw, on turning 21
New topic: least interesting records one could set?
Most tins of SPAM consumed in one sitting?
"I've actually never had a drink before, tonight I might try it out. We'll see."
—Dodgers pitcher Clayton Kershaw, on turning 21
Most ABs without a hit before being benched
by Dusty Baker?
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
most consecutive days
eating the same lunch.
go look that up in your Funk and Wagnalls
by Charlie Scrabbles on May 17, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
95% of what Guinness puts in its book of records.
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