Red Reposter - 5/13/09
by Charlie Scrabbles on May 13, 2009 10:51 AM EDT
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- Hall o' Famer Hal is happy to have a job. I think we all know the days of the beat writer for the local paper are numbered. Newspapers are just a plain old bad business model these days, but ironically enough the sports beat is probably one of the least expendable positions there. Sports are probably more popular than ever, and these are the guys that write about it everyday and get the access to the players. Until they start issuing press passes to Red Reporters, these guys are everything. The Reposter would be nothing without them.
- Also in this article, Hal says he likes Rosales because he knows he's bad at defense. He says, “Those are definitely playable balls, plays I should make. I need to make them. It’s a matter of slowing things down. I’m pretty tense and I need to trust my hands.”
- Joey Votto is ok. Last night he was helped off the field in the 4th inning, but it wasnt for anything too serious. He was dizzy from the 100 degree Arizona heat. He's likely to be back in the lineup tonight, if not after the off day in San Diego.
- Looks like Votto is a team leader. Adam Rosales says he and Alex Gonzalez both took him aside to give him a pep talk about his fielding. I defy you to name one thing that isnt great about Votto.
- Speaking of Gonzo, it appears he wont be in the lineup until Friday. He says he's ok to go now, but Baker says he'll wait. Friday will mark 9 games that the Reds have gone with 24 active players because of their reluctance to put Gonzo on the DL. Fortunately, they are 6-2 so far without him.
- Jerry Hariston Jr brings up the "P" word.
- MLB.com takes a look at Bryan Augenstein, who will be making his major league debut for the D-Backs tonight against the Reds.
- You think the Reds success so far is due to luck? Not as much as you might think.
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"Everybody knows there is nobody like Alex Gonzalez," said Baker.
Sometimes I wish I could choke that bastard.
I miss the old days of the internet when men were men, hot girls were middle aged men, and hot underage girls were FBI agents.....
by jch24 on May 13, 2009 11:02 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He could already be choking on something that belongs to Alex Gonzalez...
if you know what I’m sayin’.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
by Gray on May 13, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
his sick baby?
thats just wrong
Dusty Baker said it was the first [triple play] he’d seen in person. When he was with the Dodgers, they hit into one, but he was in the bathroom.- C Trent
by The Crushinator on May 13, 2009 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I don't think thats what he meant...
Nobody listens to Andrew
by nlt-andrew68 on May 13, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously
just when I start to drink the Kool-Aid a little bit and fantasize about a pennant race in Cinci, I read some dumbass comment like that and mentally prepare myself for 75 wins.
by chesirecat on May 13, 2009 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i read this line and frew up
there’s no one else like Madville or crolfer or ash or nycredsfan or thundering turtle or brendanukkah or kcox17 or flee2525….
thanks dusty!
"I've actually never had a drink before, tonight I might try it out. We'll see."
—Dodgers pitcher Clayton Kershaw, on turning 21
by obc2 on May 13, 2009 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not to go all outside observer on your ass
but i mean that is just a comment he made to the press corp, that is probably better than, yeah he really sucks, but we still owe him a lot of money.
Bloop
by justin007000 on May 13, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can hear him saying it
I’m not as infuriated about it as I sound, but it’s hard to justify making the decision to platoon someone who’s hitting .342 in May by saying there’s no one like Alex Gonzalez.
I miss the old days of the internet when men were men, hot girls were middle aged men, and hot underage girls were FBI agents.....
by jch24 on May 13, 2009 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree that it is a bit rediculous what they've done with that situation
But i feel like a trend is emerging. Dusty doesn’t seem to mean what he says. After publicly backing Dickerson he was replaced in favor of Nix a few days later, and most importantly that wonderful little piece on the Reds reasonable HAVOC, plus the seeming emphasis on getting hitters like Taveras and Phillips to be more disciplined. Maybe Dusty understands what regular ham bones want to hear and feeds it to them? probably not but just a thought.
Dusty Baker said it was the first [triple play] he’d seen in person. When he was with the Dodgers, they hit into one, but he was in the bathroom.- C Trent
by The Crushinator on May 13, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's a valid point and I wonder about that
But does he have to say the most outlandish things to accomplish the goal of quieting the writers?
I miss the old days of the internet when men were men, hot girls were middle aged men, and hot underage girls were FBI agents.....
by jch24 on May 13, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And hopefully the players aren't reading those quotes.
Otherwise when he says they are doing well and then benches them I think some of their confidence in Dusty might be lost.
Education is what you get from reading the directions. Experience is what you get from not reading them.
by snohio on May 13, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah c'mon Dusty's just an old school salesman
Never Try and Never, ever Care - That’s the Madville Way
by Madville on May 13, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that it doesn't hurt, don't forget about self preservation
considering managers pretty much do nothing and the GM’s know it. His job is to keep the media happy, keep his players happy and not fuck up the game too bad. I would say he is doing quite well on the first two and learning to get better at the third.
Dusty Baker said it was the first [triple play] he’d seen in person. When he was with the Dodgers, they hit into one, but he was in the bathroom.- C Trent
by The Crushinator on May 13, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
I think that Dusty knows how to lay out a good quote. He throws something like that down, the beat writers eat it up because it’s short, sweet and doesn’t use much ink. And in return, Gonzalez sees that his manager is behind him 100 percent. And the other players see that they have to keep giving it their all to get in that lineup.
Granted Dusty does some stupid things. But often he looks like a genius compared to Narron, Boone, etc.
by RedConn on May 13, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm happy to see
that not only have the Reds been just a weeeee bit lucky, but that the Cards have been a whole game more lucky. Maybe they’ll come back to earth a little bit.
And I bet Votto can’t grow an awesome beard……..that’s all i’ve got
Isn't there a slanket somewhere you should be filling with your farts?
by nycredsfan on May 13, 2009 11:26 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
um, have you seen his eyebrows?
I have a feeling that growing hair is not a problem that he has.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on May 13, 2009 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I corrected someone earlier on this
It’s eyebrow, not eyebrows when it comes to Votto. But I still lurv him.
I miss the old days of the internet when men were men, hot girls were middle aged men, and hot underage girls were FBI agents.....
by jch24 on May 13, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, that Votto guy really knows how to connect...
…his EYEBROWS am i rite?
by thevole on May 13, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
BAZING!!!
Dusty Baker said it was the first [triple play] he’d seen in person. When he was with the Dodgers, they hit into one, but he was in the bathroom.- C Trent
by The Crushinator on May 13, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah,
but his face is always so smooth, looks so soft and strokable,
ok, i’ll stop
Isn't there a slanket somewhere you should be filling with your farts?
by nycredsfan on May 13, 2009 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd bet on the Reds sustaining this pitching more than the Cards
Cueto > Lohse, fo’ sho’
Ali Boombaye
by Cy Schourek on May 13, 2009 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Has anybody else considered...
how well the Griffey and Dunn trades have turned out for this season? Masset’s pitching well, Buck looks like a decent prospect, and Owings has been pretty solid. Wilkin Castillo hasn’t done much, but otherwise, it’s been much better than I expected.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
by Gray on May 13, 2009 11:35 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I was actually thinking about it this morning too
These players have been acquired by Walt Jocketty:
Ramon Hernandez
Willy Taveras
Laynce Nix
Darnell McDonald
Micah Owings
Arthur Rhodes
Nick Massett
McDonald is the only bad acquisition of that group so far, and he’s just roster filler.
I’m sure some of those players will falter a bit in the future, but right now, Jocketty appears to have the Midas touch.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on May 13, 2009 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was basically his strength in St. Louis too, right?
Acquiring guys who didn’t really seem like much to fill out a roster, and then let them have career years. It’s pretty cool when it’s working for your team.
by Brendanukkah on May 13, 2009 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he may be an evil witch
but he’s our evil witch.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on May 13, 2009 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
john and kate'd
Isn't there a slanket somewhere you should be filling with your farts?
by nycredsfan on May 13, 2009 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh and congrats to John for going and getting some strange
I’ve seen a couple of those episodes and I don’t think I’ve seen such an abusive relationship in my life. I don’t know how anyone allows themsevles to be treated like a fucking dog like that dude does.
Dusty Baker said it was the first [triple play] he’d seen in person. When he was with the Dodgers, they hit into one, but he was in the bathroom.- C Trent
by The Crushinator on May 13, 2009 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ummm yeah
in the line at the grocery store i saw a magazine about that. i turned to my wife and i said, “you know, good for this guy for going and getting some. good for him for cheating on his wife.” and she paused for a few seconds, looked me in the eye, and said, “yeah. she pretty much deserves it.”
go look that up in your Funk and Wagnalls
by Charlie Scrabbles on May 13, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Your wife is a keeper
I miss the old days of the internet when men were men, hot girls were middle aged men, and hot underage girls were FBI agents.....
by jch24 on May 13, 2009 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's aweeeseome.
And I couldn’t agree more.
"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san
by BK on May 13, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
does your wife have three younger female cousins?
"I've actually never had a drink before, tonight I might try it out. We'll see."
—Dodgers pitcher Clayton Kershaw, on turning 21
by obc2 on May 13, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes
the eldest of the three is 7. why do you ask?
go look that up in your Funk and Wagnalls
by Charlie Scrabbles on May 13, 2009 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
One problem with this...
is that Dusty will still play the duds (e.g. McDonald). Luckily for us, there haven’t been many duds…yet.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
by Gray on May 13, 2009 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really haven't seen McDonald get much PT
tellin' tales of drunkenness and cruelty
by Colin Auscapee on May 13, 2009 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that pinch-hit at bat against the Cards
too much playing time.
"To me, boxing is like a ballet, except there's no music, no choreography, and the dancers hit each other." - Jack Handey
by JJ on May 13, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
If Micah is league average this year
The Dunn trade will have ended up being a huge coup. The braintrust had obviously made the decision to to resign Dunner, so a servicable pitcher and pinch hitter in return is really beyond my wildest dreams.
Don’t forget the Keppinger for Sutton trade, that could prove highly beneficial as well.
by chesirecat on May 13, 2009 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fire Walt..lazy fucking idiot
Never Try and Never, ever Care - That’s the Madville Way
by Madville on May 13, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have a soft spot for Wilkin
Danny Richar doesn’t impress me much though.
by Brendanukkah on May 13, 2009 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did we get Richar in that trade, too?
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
by Gray on May 13, 2009 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We got Richar for Griffey, along with Massett
by Brendanukkah on May 13, 2009 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, okay.
Well, at this point Griffey for Masset straight up doesn’t look bad.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
by Gray on May 13, 2009 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, I'm really pleased with that
We clearly won the Dunn trade because the D-backs didn’t get to the playoffs, and then let him go without compensation. But you see what he’s doing now, and the heart gets lonely.
by Brendanukkah on May 13, 2009 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wish we still had Dunn...
but given that the geniuses in charge had decided not to re-sign him, they did pretty well. Trading a couple of months of Dunn for a couple of prospects plus a player who’s productive this year? Nice job.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
by Gray on May 13, 2009 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly, Jocketty and Castellini obviously made the decision at some point last season to get rid of Griffey and Dunn.
We could of got peanuts for them. Instead, we appear to have received two solid arms in return.
by chesirecat on May 13, 2009 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not to mention
For better or worse, they wanted to change the “personality” of both the offense and clubhouse. That has happened without a doubt……and I’m cautiously optimistic.
I miss the old days of the internet when men were men, hot girls were middle aged men, and hot underage girls were FBI agents.....
by jch24 on May 13, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Sports Guy is pretty much an idiot
But I really do buy into his Ewing Theory.
by Brendanukkah on May 13, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
See - Rockets, Houston
I miss the old days of the internet when men were men, hot girls were middle aged men, and hot underage girls were FBI agents.....
by jch24 on May 13, 2009 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even for baseball?
What are his examples that don’t involve A-Rod?
by ken on May 13, 2009 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I remembered that after I typed the question
I think it’s BS (see what I did there?). The Sox could’ve easily won the pennant the prior year, had not the Grady Little brainfart or the Boone HR happened.
I buy the theory for Ewing himself because the Knicks had to change their offense without him, relying on their guards and swingmen and generally pushing the ball up the court without having to wait for their statue. So there’s a tactical component at play as well as the potential chemistry improvement. I think the tactical component of the theory is much less important for baseball. The chemistry component as well, for that matter. But it’s pretty hard to prove it either way.
by ken on May 13, 2009 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't believe the chemistry change is why this team is winning
but the removal of both Dunn and Griffey from the outfield has had a dramatic affect on the defense. For a flyball pitching staff, that’s very important. They’re on pace to make nearly 90 more plays this year than they did last year (small sample alert!). So, I guess you could call that the tactical component.
And you all know that I think chemistry is something that comes from winning, not the other way around.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on May 13, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
By tactical component
I meant going from an Earl Weaver offense to Havoc, the difference being largely illusory and certainly less important than going from a half-court offense to a fast breaking team. In my interpretation of the Ewing Theory the improved defense simply figures into the calculation of how much is gained (or lost) from swapping out the old players. E.g., we lost x runs from Dunn’s bat but gained y runs back from better LF defense. It’s not part of the chemical (?) or tactical (which you looked at yesterday) variables.
by ken on May 13, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe
but I think the Dunn and Griffey trades are the final pieces in a philosophical change within the organization that has been happening for a couple of years. Krivsky pushed the idea of pitching and defense and Jocketty followed it up. The tactical result was that they had very few boppers in the lineup and were forced to adopt a more aggressive approach on the bases to try to make up for the lack of home run power.
I agree that tactical philosophies are much less important in baseball than in either basketball or football. However, I think they exist to the point that teams make strategic decisions based on tactical needs. This is especially true for teams that can’t go out and spend a bunch of money just to get the best player available.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on May 13, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're so Moneyball.
And you don’t even know it.
"Nobody's going to die just because they can't find their little yellow basket."
by Fat Vegas Alan on May 13, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh, he knows it
Isn't there a slanket somewhere you should be filling with your farts?
by nycredsfan on May 13, 2009 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wrong. me thinks
If there is anything that is Chemistry’ (which is kinda like ‘Team’)’ it comes from the unique combination of people put together in a group endeavor. Winning can certainly increase already good and functional ‘Chemistry’..no doubt. I believe that ‘Clutch’ (snicker) is more valid than ‘Chemistry and that ’Team’ is even more of a stretch, esp. in baseball.
Never Try and Never, ever Care - That’s the Madville Way
by Madville on May 13, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you didnt see Hoosiers, didya?
"I've actually never had a drink before, tonight I might try it out. We'll see."
—Dodgers pitcher Clayton Kershaw, on turning 21
by obc2 on May 13, 2009 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
On so now we're going to have to have a discussion about some HS basketball team
from the ‘overcoming all the odds’ perspective, Yep, saw and yawned,,but hey those guys had:
1. Ability
2, Drive
3. A shared perception of reality
4, A coach who ‘played with his players’ HHMMM
5. Luck
6. A gay guy as team trainer/statistician
7. 2 of the cheerleaders pulled the team train
8. Several boosters payed large sums of $$$ to certain referees
8. There no Negroes in those days
9. Gene Hackman never loses in the movies
10. I wanted that Dennis Hopper part, but missed the audition
Never Try and Never, ever Care - That’s the Madville Way
by Madville on May 13, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually
there were a lot of black guys on the team they played against in the finals.
Needless to say, this didn't work and everybody died.
by SullivanSmith on May 13, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well sure that's why they won.
In 1954 Negro players were inferior to white players. You can look it up.
Never Try and Never, ever Care - That’s the Madville Way
by Madville on May 13, 2009 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My point is that what is often labeled as good chemistry
is usually a post facto justification for a team that has had success. People see a team succeeding and thereby (typically) having a good time doing it and assume that there is something special about how these guys mix.
There have been many good teams who fought with each other and there have been even more bad teams who played hard and got along with each other.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on May 13, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's also easier to get along when you're winning
Not as much blame to go around.
I miss the old days of the internet when men were men, hot girls were middle aged men, and hot underage girls were FBI agents.....
by jch24 on May 13, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
measure
how does one measure there are “even more” bad teams who played hard and got along than good teams who fought with each other?
i object, your honor.
"I've actually never had a drink before, tonight I might try it out. We'll see."
—Dodgers pitcher Clayton Kershaw, on turning 21
by obc2 on May 13, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the same way one measures chemistry
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on May 13, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
With beakers and graduated cylinders and at the bottom of the meniscus?
by Brendanukkah on May 13, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Madville
I keep deleting your image because it’s too frickin’ huge. Please don’t post it anymore.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on May 13, 2009 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Oh...it isn't any larger than Gore on my screen
Sorry…
Never Try and Never, ever Care - That’s the Madville Way
by Madville on May 13, 2009 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
dont back down
im losing faith in you if ya let Slyde bully you around…
"I've actually never had a drink before, tonight I might try it out. We'll see."
—Dodgers pitcher Clayton Kershaw, on turning 21
by obc2 on May 13, 2009 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not screen size
it was 900 KB in size, which means it takes a long time to load and slows the page load for people with slower connections.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on May 13, 2009 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not the size that matters (cue TWSS)
It’s the file size. If you’re doing a google image search it shows you the file size under the pic. The limit is 60 kb I do beleive.
I miss the old days of the internet when men were men, hot girls were middle aged men, and hot underage girls were FBI agents.....
by jch24 on May 13, 2009 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damn, I done got /Slyd
I miss the old days of the internet when men were men, hot girls were middle aged men, and hot underage girls were FBI agents.....
by jch24 on May 13, 2009 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ya think Mads comprehends 60kb?
"I've actually never had a drink before, tonight I might try it out. We'll see."
—Dodgers pitcher Clayton Kershaw, on turning 21
by obc2 on May 13, 2009 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i like these comments way over on the right
"I've actually never had a drink before, tonight I might try it out. We'll see."
—Dodgers pitcher Clayton Kershaw, on turning 21
by obc2 on May 13, 2009 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i miss the days when the bottom scroll bar allowed these comments to go right for infinity
by Daedalus on May 13, 2009 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did you stop watching the Caps game, too?
I stopped watching the Caps game.
by Brendanukkah on May 13, 2009 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
in game threads, it's 60kb
in other threads, I don’t have a specific limit, but if I notice an unusually large image I’ll delete it.
Rule of thumb, animated gifs are usually fairly large, especially if they take up a decent amount of screen or if they have a lot of detail in them.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on May 13, 2009 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You mean....
I miss the old days of the internet when men were men, hot girls were middle aged men, and hot underage girls were FBI agents.....
by jch24 on May 13, 2009 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not afraid of Slyde, I'm not afraid of Slyde,I'm not afraid of Slyde
I’m not afraid of Slyde,I’m not afraid of Slyde,I’m not afraid of Slyde…is this Ok Mr. Slyde sir,,,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Lsd.pdb.gif
I mean its just Chemicals stuff
Never Try and Never, ever Care - That’s the Madville Way
by Madville on May 13, 2009 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
An animated 3D rendering of a molecule
Just when I think I’ve seen it all you raise the bar dude.
I miss the old days of the internet when men were men, hot girls were middle aged men, and hot underage girls were FBI agents.....
by jch24 on May 13, 2009 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not just any molecule
An LSD molecule
by chesirecat on May 13, 2009 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I probably never mentioned this before
But it WAS intimated to me by someone I trust that Griff and Dunn, for all their greatness, were quick to make fun of “going all out”. Which upset many in the clubhouse and front office.
I miss the old days of the internet when men were men, hot girls were middle aged men, and hot underage girls were FBI agents.....
by jch24 on May 13, 2009 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but maybe if you played with Ryan Freel that long,
you’d make fun of him, too.
Everybody's a jerk. You. Me. This jerk.
by andromache on May 13, 2009 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, especially if you see Freel at one end of the locker room..
..and Eric Milton at the other.
"Nobody's going to die just because they can't find their little yellow basket."
by Fat Vegas Alan on May 13, 2009 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Griffey is slugging .388
Eep!
Ali Boombaye
by Cy Schourek on May 13, 2009 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some interesting stuff from Buster Olney
Dunn is batting .313 with 11 homers and 28 RBI, backed by a .448 on-base percentage, and having more fun practicing the art of hitting, he says, than at any time in his career. “I know more about hitting now,” he said. “I’ve never really known about hitting before.”
The change in his acumen about what he does, Dunn says, really began after he was traded to the Arizona Diamondbacks last season. For the first time in his career, he was part of a pennant race, and he was expected to be an anchor for his team’s lineup. “It was a role that I had never really been in before,” said Dunn. “I had never really been the elder statesman in a lineup before… You don’t want to let the other players down.”
He ramped up his preparation, spending more time watching video and developing a plan for his at-bats, and after signing with the Nationals as a free agent in the off-season, Dunn took that same approach into spring training — and into the World Baseball Classic. “The WBC helped a ton,” said Dunn.
He also goes on to say that Chipper Jones made him realize you can’t pull a sinker ball low and away. I’m very pleased for Dunn, but dammit! Why couldn’t he have been figuring out this sort of stuff before? It sounds mostly like a maturity thing, and perhaps a little bit of truth to the “Dunn doesn’t care for baseball” strawman. He cares for baseball, but he cares a lot more when his team is playing meaningful games. Although he did fade pretty badly in September in 2006.
by Brendanukkah on May 13, 2009 11:52 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Seems like he needed some better coaching?
I wonder if the naturally talented Griffey was bad for him too. I’m not sure Griffey is the type of player that can pass on what he does. Perhaps if he had had a different superstar in the clubhouse with him he could have learned more? Just pondering…
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on May 13, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i wonder about the griffey effect, too
you are not alone.
by Daedalus on May 13, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whatever the case
It’s undeniable that the 2009 Reds appear, at least on the surface, to have a completely different (and better) disposition than the Reds of the Griffey/Dunn years.
by chesirecat on May 13, 2009 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's the difference between Dunn and Rosales
marty’d
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
by Gray on May 13, 2009 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Marty's not a huge Rosales homer.
But the difference might be that all these young guys like Votto, Bruce, Volquez, and Cueto haven’t suffered through 4 or 5 crappy years here. I mean, they’ve naturally gotta be a little less beaten down by the Reds’ history of suckitude.
by chesirecat on May 13, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's true
And they also all came up through the minors together (and were successful there). I think that helps. They may be young, but they’ve got a lot of familiarity with each other. They will play for each other. Votto, Bruce, Cueto, Janish, Hanigan, Herrera… heck, even Hairston spent the first part of last year in AAA. Whether or not getting rid of Griffey and Dunn is the cause I don’t know, but it sure seems like there’s really good clubhouse chemistry this year.
by Brendanukkah on May 13, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that really counts for something
Votto and Bruce won in HS and in the minors, and they’re all used to doing good things together. Eight years of constant reminders that other people are better than you must do things to one’s psyche.
Ali Boombaye
by Cy Schourek on May 13, 2009 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Nobody's going to die just because they can't find their little yellow basket."
by Fat Vegas Alan on May 13, 2009 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gore'd
Needless to say, this didn't work and everybody died.
by SullivanSmith on May 13, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Insert a few thousand pictures of Commander Bush here.
by ol Pete on May 13, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know Pastor Bush but never heard the one about Commander Bush
Never Try and Never, ever Care - That’s the Madville Way
by Madville on May 13, 2009 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And of course you can't forget
Inspector Bush.
by Obi Juan Kenobez on May 13, 2009 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Harummph, coughgcough blwchob...Ahen
Globular warming
Never Try and Never, ever Care - That’s the Madville Way
by Madville on May 13, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blwchob
my new favorite word
Dusty Baker said it was the first [triple play] he’d seen in person. When he was with the Dodgers, they hit into one, but he was in the bathroom.- C Trent
by The Crushinator on May 13, 2009 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder about the Griffey effect too
Mainly because I don’t remember any young player ever talking about how much Griffey helped them with their approach, or hitting, or prep or anyting like that. Guys like Bruce always spoke in awe about playing with him, and how great he was, etc, but I wonder if he wasn’t the type to ever tell anyone else how to play, and just quietly did his job.
And the point about Dunn watching Griffey be so naturally good is well taken, and something I hadn’t thought about before.
I’m with you, I’m happy for him, but it truly sucks that he couldn’t figure that stuff out before now. Of course, it’s only May. He’s got plenty of time to come back to earth.
Isn't there a slanket somewhere you should be filling with your farts?
by nycredsfan on May 13, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't Dunn spend a winter with Griffey in Fla.?
I seem to remember hearing a story about Dunn and maybe another player training with Griffey during one of the off-seasons. And I also tend to remember Dunn talking about how helpful it was and great and something about midnight walks on the beach and high-five contests.
But I could be mixing some of the details up with this novel I’m writing about big comfy chairs and the famous people who sit in them.
by RedConn on May 13, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not so much saying that Griffey was a bad influence (though in some ways he was)
more that Griffey isn’t the type of player that can teach what he does. Some players just are better at explaining why they are successful. Griffey maybe understands it intrinsically, but can’t vocalize it. Maybe Griffey knows you can’t pull a sinker ball that is low and away, but doesn’t have the ability to explain it like Chipper did, or maybe he just assumed everybody knows that so it doesn’t need to be said.
I’m just theorizing here. I don’t want to blame Griffey for Dunn’s failures. Just trying to say that maybe Dunn would have developed differently playing with a different superstar (or a different set of coaches).
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on May 13, 2009 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Different set of coaches
One of those coaches was also Ken Griffey, for awhile.
by Brendanukkah on May 13, 2009 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's what I'm saying too
I don’t blame Griffey either. He is who he is, and by all accounts, who he is is pretty damn cool.
Just that he didn’t take an active approach in teaching others, and maybe they could’ve benefitted from that.
On the flip side, it does seem like Votto and Bruce eventually are going to be the opposite. They seem very willing to help out and mentor wherever possible.
Isn't there a slanket somewhere you should be filling with your farts?
by nycredsfan on May 13, 2009 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do agree with you
I think the city and the media put a lot of pressure on Griffey to be the messiah. And Griffey was better when he was part of a group of stars in Seattle.
I also think that the coaching didn’t seem to encourage its star to lead. Nor did Griffey necessarily want to lead. And after the Reds lost Larkin and Casey,
I think Griffey wanted to or tried to help the younger guys. But that is not him.
There wasn’t really anyone to lead. And the focus was always on Griffey — whether it be because he was injured, playing poorly or playing well. And because of that it was Ken Griffey Jr. and the Reds. Then it was Griffey and Dunn and the reds (lowercase).
Not it is the Reds. Eventually it may become Votto, Bruce and the Reds. But Votto and Bruce do seem to be about the Team and about their teammates.
And really, what more could we Reds fan want?
by RedConn on May 13, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
a pennant
go look that up in your Funk and Wagnalls
by Charlie Scrabbles on May 13, 2009 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
a REDS fan
Dusty Baker said it was the first [triple play] he’d seen in person. When he was with the Dodgers, they hit into one, but he was in the bathroom.- C Trent
by The Crushinator on May 13, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stupid plural agreements
Remember I live in CT so as far as I see off the Internet, there is just one, we Reds fan.
Even my little brother who was born in Cincy but moved when he was still in preschool has eventually bypassed my influence and now cheers on the Mets.
And this year, I would take a good Wild Card run.
by RedConn on May 13, 2009 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh no I was making fun of Scrabbles
Reds fans don’t deserve a pennant, and shouldn’t be precocious enough to expect one
Dusty Baker said it was the first [triple play] he’d seen in person. When he was with the Dodgers, they hit into one, but he was in the bathroom.- C Trent
by The Crushinator on May 13, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ban'd
go look that up in your Funk and Wagnalls
by Charlie Scrabbles on May 13, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gotcha
Well we Reds fan(s) are not exactly known for being reasonable.
I would be happy with ruining the Cubs chance of making the post season.
by RedConn on May 13, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fuck pissing on a parade
let’s have one of our own.
tellin' tales of drunkenness and cruelty
by Colin Auscapee on May 13, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
True
The Cubs can fuck up their postseason chances on their own just fine.
by Brendanukkah on May 13, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair point
But let’s not get ahead of ourselves. We have about 130 games left to go.
At this point, I am simply hoping we win each regular season series as it starts.
It’s a long season and plenty of time to plan a parade.
by RedConn on May 13, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can he have balloons? I want balloons!
"Nobody's going to die just because they can't find their little yellow basket."
by Fat Vegas Alan on May 13, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cool
Another Reds’ fan in CT. Me too. What part of the Yankee-RedSox tornado do you live in?
The season doesn't start until the Cincinnati Reds take the field! Reclaim The Opener!!
by TheC on May 13, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Awesome. We should get togher at that bar in that small town with windy roads...
I’m in Georgetown in Fairfield County. How about you?
by RedConn on May 13, 2009 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
At least my favorite line to use when meeting someone at the ballpark would actually work
“I’ll be the guy in the Reds jersey and hat, with a beer in hand.”
I miss the old days of the internet when men were men, hot girls were middle aged men, and hot underage girls were FBI agents.....
by jch24 on May 13, 2009 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i got better ballpark lines than that...
"I've actually never had a drink before, tonight I might try it out. We'll see."
—Dodgers pitcher Clayton Kershaw, on turning 21
by obc2 on May 13, 2009 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Anyone know the Red Sox score?"
Will you stop it with the vegetables
by Man Mountain on May 14, 2009 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I blame the coaches for not working with him more
I miss the old days of the internet when men were men, hot girls were middle aged men, and hot underage girls were FBI agents.....
by jch24 on May 13, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have a feeling that finally getting traded forced Dunn to be a bit more introspective
I don’t believe that suddenly he is that much better of a player, but he’s definitely talking differently. Sounds much more mature.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on May 13, 2009 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
He’s certainly not going to be in a pennant race this year, but if we’re take his quotes at face value he’s treating the game differently. Looks like he benefitted from the change of scenery and what comes with it, like different coaching. I’m glad for him; just hope he cools off when he comes to town.
by ken on May 13, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah our only hope is he cools off in Cinci
because we all know the Nats are sweeping the Reds out of DC while ’Nukkah silently sobs in the stands, per usual.
by chesirecat on May 13, 2009 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jun 9-12
Ben’s Half Smokes ease the pain.
by Brendanukkah on May 13, 2009 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i postponed a trip to beirut for it
i lost sleep last night worrying about having to go on a trip during that week. seriously. i’m really excited. want to do the mayflower thing this year. also, may have two extra tix for one of the games three rows from the field one section from behind nats dugout if you’re interested.
by Daedalus on May 13, 2009 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I'm in
For the Mayflower thing, too.
“I’m going to… stalk… Lenny and… Carl. D’oh!”
by Brendanukkah on May 13, 2009 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about a hitting coach than can comment, instruct and motivate...Oh wait this is the Reds
Never Try and Never, ever Care - That’s the Madville Way
by Madville on May 13, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder how much is has been because of his latest contract.
He obviously was labeled as lazy and I think that hurt his value quite a bit. He knows that if he wants to take that next step in pay that he better figure out our to get his average up a bit, start playing the field with effort and change his mindset. Otherwise he will end up retiring a National and will never sniff the post season again.
I think having Kearns around probably helps him too.
Education is what you get from reading the directions. Experience is what you get from not reading them.
by snohio on May 13, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I also enjoyed Rosales' "I'm too tense...I'm playing very excited right now" quote
Nooooooooooo, really?
Ali Boombaye
by Cy Schourek on May 13, 2009 1:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We couldn't tell.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
by Gray on May 13, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Somebody good with photo-shop
ought to photo-shop that image of Joey Votto and place it into Michaelangelo’s Creation of Adam
by Nasty N8 on May 13, 2009 4:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
and not just any Adam
Our favorite Chicagoan shold get the honors.
Ali Boombaye
by Cy Schourek on May 13, 2009 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
we have a favorite Chicagoan?
"I've actually never had a drink before, tonight I might try it out. We'll see."
—Dodgers pitcher Clayton Kershaw, on turning 21
by obc2 on May 13, 2009 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think Rosie Red even makes the top 5
Rosie’s not the greatest Chicagoan, the second greatest Chicagoan, the greatest Chicagoan Red, the scrappiest Chicagoan, or even RR’s favorite Chicagoan.
"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san
by BK on May 13, 2009 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
geez,
I thought the internet was the one place where we could get by with sarcastic use of the first-person-plural
Ali Boombaye
by Cy Schourek on May 13, 2009 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My favorite chicagan - William "Kid" Oliver, from the original Harlem Globetrotters 1929
Bill Brock and His Famous Chicagoans were a professional African American basketball team that barnstormed the Midwest from 1926 to around 1934. Kid Oliver was a Famous Chicaoan who barnstormed in the midwest
Never Try and Never, ever Care - That’s the Madville Way
by Madville on May 13, 2009 5:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That's Racist!
I miss the old days of the internet when men were men, hot girls were middle aged men, and hot underage girls were FBI agents.....
by jch24 on May 13, 2009 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just wonderin'.
I done some poking around and I see that the 2009 Cincinnati Reds have twice won 9 of 13 games. I wonder how many times they did that in 07 and 08.
"Nobody's going to die just because they can't find their little yellow basket."
by Fat Vegas Alan on May 13, 2009 5:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Can they pick any 9 of 13 games?
If so, I would say 3.
by RedConn on May 13, 2009 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I'm thinking of any non-overlapping 13-game spans.
(Hope that makes sense.)
"Nobody's going to die just because they can't find their little yellow basket."
by Fat Vegas Alan on May 13, 2009 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Excuse my wise-assness
But I wouldn’t be surprised if this happened between 0 and 1 times.
Long here day is almost over.
“Man, TGI Wednesday. Am I right?… Gonna go home, get my beer on, get my Lost on. What are you doing later? You wanna hang out?”
by RedConn on May 13, 2009 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i cant wait to get my Lost on tonight
it’s been real good lately.
go look that up in your Funk and Wagnalls
by Charlie Scrabbles on May 13, 2009 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm already tired of Jayson Werth
I miss the old days of the internet when men were men, hot girls were middle aged men, and hot underage girls were FBI agents.....
by jch24 on May 13, 2009 7:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
See also: Zimmerman, Ryan
"I do and the [hu] of some person am me and others the woman it loves."
by Ash on May 13, 2009 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The streak is ovah!
In other news, No Votto Tonight. He’s watching the Lost season finale.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on May 13, 2009 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't wait to see him PH
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
by Gray on May 13, 2009 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tonight is a done deal
Let him eat poutine and get some rest.
I miss the old days of the internet when men were men, hot girls were middle aged men, and hot underage girls were FBI agents.....
by jch24 on May 13, 2009 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
good thing tonights game in AZ
its kind of wet here in Cincy
Nobody listens to Andrew
by nlt-andrew68 on May 13, 2009 7:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
did you move to Cincy?
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on May 13, 2009 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
been here since 94..
when I got out of the Navy
Nobody listens to Andrew
by nlt-andrew68 on May 13, 2009 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm with Slyde, I thought you were out West for some reason
I miss the old days of the internet when men were men, hot girls were middle aged men, and hot underage girls were FBI agents.....
by jch24 on May 13, 2009 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why did I think you lived in New York?
I must be thinking of someone else.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on May 13, 2009 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking of Moskau, you're thinking of Crush :)
I miss the old days of the internet when men were men, hot girls were middle aged men, and hot underage girls were FBI agents.....
by jch24 on May 13, 2009 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually
For some reason I thought he was NYRed. I have no idea why I made that assumption.
What was your old handle Andrew?
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on May 13, 2009 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
redsfan68
Nobody listens to Andrew
by nlt-andrew68 on May 13, 2009 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well that makes sense
I’m baffled as to how I decided you were NYRed. I’ll just blame it on stupidity.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on May 13, 2009 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no problem...
maybe if I came to more RR gatherings….
Nobody listens to Andrew
by nlt-andrew68 on May 13, 2009 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm gonna start doing this
“Sorry about my mistake, it was Slyde’s stupidity. Again.” :)
I miss the old days of the internet when men were men, hot girls were middle aged men, and hot underage girls were FBI agents.....
by jch24 on May 13, 2009 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd ban you
but I’m afraid of what such a move would do to you in your fragile state.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on May 13, 2009 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
because noone listens to andrew
Will you stop it with the vegetables
by Man Mountain on May 14, 2009 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jamie Moyer has never hit a HR
I found this interesting.
I miss the old days of the internet when men were men, hot girls were middle aged men, and hot underage girls were FBI agents.....
by jch24 on May 13, 2009 7:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I need five references
And no one loves me. Mads, can I put you down?
I miss the old days of the internet when men were men, hot girls were middle aged men, and hot underage girls were FBI agents.....
by jch24 on May 13, 2009 7:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I find it's pretty easy to put justin down
oh, that’s not what you meant…
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on May 13, 2009 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I genreally find it pretty easy to put you down
as you’re never here to retaliate!
"I do and the [hu] of some person am me and others the woman it loves."
by Ash on May 13, 2009 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, Jamie Moyer is going for career win #250 tonight
Jamie. Moyer.
I miss the old days of the internet when men were men, hot girls were middle aged men, and hot underage girls were FBI agents.....
by jch24 on May 13, 2009 7:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, when you've been pitching in the majors for
something like 58 years, your win total is bound to get up there.
"I do and the [hu] of some person am me and others the woman it loves."
by Ash on May 13, 2009 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He has 4 more wins than Bronson since the beginning of 2007
Chew on that for a minute.
I miss the old days of the internet when men were men, hot girls were middle aged men, and hot underage girls were FBI agents.....
by jch24 on May 13, 2009 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Veteran. Presence.
"I do and the [hu] of some person am me and others the woman it loves."
by Ash on May 13, 2009 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
David Dewitt Bailey
Fantastical through three innings.
"I do and the [hu] of some person am me and others the woman it loves."
by Ash on May 13, 2009 7:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I shall return kids
Need to fold laundry and put it away and clean up some. Ah how I’ve missed you, housework. Now if I could only find a candle strong enough to get the smell of crayzee out of the house…..
I miss the old days of the internet when men were men, hot girls were middle aged men, and hot underage girls were FBI agents.....
by jch24 on May 13, 2009 8:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I hear obc has a candle collection...
"I do and the [hu] of some person am me and others the woman it loves."
by Ash on May 13, 2009 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And a sweet ass lighter
OK, bbiab.
I miss the old days of the internet when men were men, hot girls were middle aged men, and hot underage girls were FBI agents.....
by jch24 on May 13, 2009 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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