Farmers Only: Weekend Review
by BK on May 11, 2009 7:00 AM EDT
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Only 6 games on the weekend for Reds minor leaguers.
- On Saturday, Louisville won 3-2 over Scranton/WB behind a (finally) good start from Daryl Thompson. Thompson pitched 6 innings and gave up 2 runs. On offense, Norris Hopper, Drew Stubbs, Kevin Barker, and Wilkin Castillo all had two hits. Sunday's game was a true pitcher's duel, as the Bats won again, 3-0 in 11 innings. Ramon Ramirez went 8 innings of shutout ball, and Pedro Viola and Josh Roenicke both pitched more than one inning in relief without giving up a hit. Viola's ERA is down again, to 0.66 now. Deadly. Wilkin Castillo was the hero, with a walk-off 3 run shot in the 11th, and Drew Stubbs was 3-for-4 for the Bats. Up next: Matt Maloney's next in line, as he takes on Scranton at 7:05.
- Carolina lost an up and down game on Saturday, 7-5. After Carolina broke the 3-3 tie in the 8th, Mobile came back with two in the top of the 9th with two runs. El Nino Destructor singled in his pet chupacabra to tie it in the bottom of the 9th, but Ruben Medina gave up two runs in the 10th to lose the game for the Mudcats. Eric Eymann, who has 6 hits in his last two games, was 3-for-5 to lead Carolina, and Juan Francisco, Zach Cozart, and Sean Henry all had two hits. Chris Heisey went 0-for-4, but walked in the 9th to extend his on-base streak to "every single game this season". The Mudcats were off on Sunday. Up next: Misael DeJesus takes on Birmingham at 8:05.
- On Saturday, Sarasota won an extra inning game, 7-6 over Jupiter in 12. Neftali Soto hit his 3rd homer of the season, and Yonder Alonso, Denis Phipps, and Devin Mesoraco had two hits each to lead the offense. Jerry Gil started again, and gave up 6 ER in 3 1/3 innings. It's time to give this little experiment up, Jerry, your 10.36 ERA isn't getting it done. On the positive side of the pitching perspective, Enerio Del Rosario, Philippe-Alexandre Valiquette, and Ben Davis all pitched at least two innings of scoreless ball for the S-Reds. Up next: Luis Montano is the probable starter to take on Fort Myers at 7:05.
- Dayton beat Kane County 7-5, as Kevin Coddington drove in 3 runs for the Dragons. Curtis Partch had a little bit of trouble, giving up 5 R (3 ER) in 6, but the bullpen was solid to keep the Dragons in the game. Sunday's game wasn't as lucky for the Dragons, as they got spanked by the Cougars, 18-3. Byron Wiley hit his first HR of the season and Frank Pfister had two hits to highlight the Dragons offense. The pitching was obviously bad. Forget that ever happened. Up next: Dayton's off tonight.
Walk-off Wilkin
8 shutout innings, dude
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This is an interesting potential dizzying conundrum
Stubbs or T-Virus?
If Stubbs keeps hitting like this, they can’t just leave him in AAA, but to quote Dusty, “where would he play?” Might they platoon him in LF? And what about next year? Drop T-Virus like a bad habit? I seriously doubt that happens, but it seems like management has always assumed Stubbs is going to be a bust, but what happens if he isn’t?
Isn't there a slanket somewhere you should be filling with your farts?
i think T-Virus would make a world-class 4th outfielder
but youre right, management does not see it that way.
go look that up in your Funk and Wagnalls
by Charlie Scrabbles on May 11, 2009 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions
It was
Mark Melancon who gave up the walkoff homer. Many saw him as the savior of the Yankees pen.
He was impressive at first, but he’s been rather inconsistent, as young pitchers often are, and was sent down three days ago.
Still think he might be a better choice than Edwar Ramirez…
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Stubbs
Goldstein mentions him in his Monday 10 pack:
Stubbs was batting .176 just two weeks ago, but he’s 21-for-48 since, including a 7-for-11, four-double weekend that upped his season stats to an impressive .329/.409/.451. That said, he’s a little confusing as prospects go. He’s not the Drew Stubbs that was a first-round pick in 2006, he’s not an exciting power/speed package anymore (a huge contact problem has been corrected with a much shorter swing), but the power aspect of the equation is gone for Stubbs, who has yet to go deep in 23 games this year. Regardless, he’s hitting, he’s drawing walks, and he’s still one of, if not the best defensive center fielder in the minors. He’s not less valuable, he’s just different.
he sounds like a great CF/Leadoff (redundant, I know)
A .360+ OBP with great defense and speed. Sounds like everything that Walt and Dusty were hoping that Taveras would be.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
To be fair
Taveras has been that, so far.(.355 OBP to date) Stubbs seems to have more doubles potential and probably better defense, but otherwise they seem pretty similar. (Taveras is probably a better base stealer)
That’s what makes this tough for me. Taveras is only a couple of years older, but it’s suspect whether he can maintain his production all year and into the future. I really don’t know what they should do on this. I’d say put Stubbs in LF, but if he’s not going to hit HR that probably won’t work (but can you imagine the OF defense?) Trade T-Virus and try Stubbs in CF? But what if Stubbs can’t hack it and you’ve traded away a reasonably productive CF? This one’s got my knickers in a twist.
Isn't there a slanket somewhere you should be filling with your farts?
i think they have time
Stubbs just changed his swing so i wouldnt mind him getting a full year in AAA. come winter maybe the decision will be easier to make.
go look that up in your Funk and Wagnalls
by Charlie Scrabbles on May 11, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
I wasn't knocking what Taveras has done
just saying that Stubbs should be attractive to Walt and Dusty since he’s showing that he’s capable of being the same type of player that they wanted from Taveras.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
Not to mention cheaper and younger
Which could have/should have freed up some money
If he makes Taveras expendable...
then all the better. I’m sure plenty of teams will be in a position of wanting a better leadoff bat.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
Gil
I agree that the Gil experiment should be over, no disrespect to him, but he’s taking innings away from someone likely better. At midseason, I could see Fairel getting the call up if things continue the way they’re going. For now, I wonder if they will try Enerio Del Rosario again as a starter?
We should think about trading Arthur Rhodes while he’s hot. This would take a lot of guts but don’t you think we could a nice player from the Yankees for him? I wouldn’t necessarily expect Viola to match him but he would be the sensible replacement. We’d be trading from a position of strength.
I was just thinking about Viola...
he’s not on the 40-man, but him, Bray, and Danny Ray can combine to be the lefties out of the pen if you want to trade Rhodes. I’m against trading him just because he’s been so damn reliable so far, but if the Reds could get a good package (read: Shortstop) then why not?
I’m also for trading LeCure within the division. I want him to strike out BP in a high-leverage situation just so I can write “Here’s LeCure for cancer!” It would totally be worth losing a game in my mind. Let’s hope this choice won’t haunt me.
Ali Boombaye
by Cy Schourek on May 11, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't see a LOOGY being worth a shortstop prospect
even if you package him, I don’t see Rhodes being the central piece in a package that gets any significant value. And I definitely don’t see the Reds trading Rhodes and replacing him with unproven players. Not while they are winning, at least.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
in many ways
this is the worst kind of start the Reds could get off to. of course, things could change by July, but what if we’re still hanging around 2nd place then? do we fish or cut bait? i know its weird, but i would kinda rather have them lolling below .500 so we know we can trade off guys like Weathers, Rhodes, and Arroyo and make the move next year. but i would MUCH rather have them undefeated.
go look that up in your Funk and Wagnalls
by Charlie Scrabbles on May 11, 2009 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
I think what you are saying is that this team looks a lot like 2006 (only worse)
Hopefully the Reds will stick to the long term goals until this team shows that it really can win something this year.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
precisely
i wasnt thinking about ’06 because i try not to do that very often, but thanks for bringing it up.
go look that up in your Funk and Wagnalls
by Charlie Scrabbles on May 11, 2009 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
This is the start that got Wayne Krivsky fired
(“The Trade! The Trade!”)
by Brendanukkah on May 11, 2009 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
if we are indeed in a position to make a move in July
what about Brad Hawpe? his defense is suspect, but he’s knocking the shit out of the ball. the Rockies may look to move him, he’s not overpaid, but he’s a lefty.
go look that up in your Funk and Wagnalls
by Charlie Scrabbles on May 11, 2009 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
I kinda/sorta humbly disagree
These are good problems to have. Its good to have 4 guys who could potentially be lefties out of the pen then just Phil Norton. I’m way more optimistic than I was in ‘06, because this looks sustainable for the most part (yeah, pitching is off the charts good, but offense is off-the-charts bad). I’m alright with seeing how this’ll play until the all-star break…if the Reds are still within striking distance, lets go for it. Are there any real untradable prospects at this point? Anyone besides Harang-Cueto-Volquez or Bruce-Phillips-Votto you wouldn’t give up?
Ali Boombaye
by Cy Schourek on May 11, 2009 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn't trade Frazier because of his versatility and bat
and Alonso can’t be traded until August, I believe. Otherwise, I’d listen on everyone, but would only make a deal if it’s a clear win.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
They could trade Alonso
as a PTBNL. Not that I’m advocating that.
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