Red Reposter - 4/2/09
by Charlie Scrabbles on Apr 2, 2009 10:32 AM EDT
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PrintThe Reds have been at the eye of the storm for the past few days, what with the Keppinger trade and the Sheffield rumors. Just one more game left in Tired Ol' Ed Smith Stadium, and then the real games start!
- Ken Rosenthal says Cincy is the most likely destination for Gary Sheffield. At this point, for better or worse, I would be surprised if it DIDNT happen. Also in the article, he says the Rangers cut Frank Catalanotto to make room for Andruw Jones. Catalanotto may be someone worth pursuing for the Reds. Do you think he could be a better left-handed bench bat than Laynce Nix?
- In case you hadnt seen it, Doug gives us the roster for the Futures Game in Dayton.
- Chad at RLN seems pretty adamant that Homer Bailey should come north with the big league club. It seems the Reds are going to go with Owings and Masset instead. What do you think? Is that a mistake?
- Teh Fay gives us an update on Arroyo's carpal tunnel. It looks like he can pitch through this and has done it before, but maybe the Reds will want to play it safe, put him on the DL, and play Owings and Bailey instead? I dont think they'll do that, but man, it feels good to know they have options.
- Fay also gives us an update on struggling closer Francisco Cordero. He says he's almost 100% now, which isn't exactly what I wanted to hear. We need him to be spitting fire at the end of games all year long, because this bullpen doesn't look near as strong without him. Hopefully he gets better in a hurry and everything will be ok.
- Danny Dorn has updated his blog. I hope he keeps this up. This kind of communication with the fans is so cool. And Dorn is one of my favorites on the farm right now, so that makes it extra special.
- You can check out the FanShot courtesy of Slyde, or just head over to Chris Sabo's Goggles. I want to nominate this as our official motto for this season:
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woohoo!
Fay doesn’t think Sheffield is bound for Cincy.
Reds record while I'm in attendance: 15-0 (lifetime)
Can someone score me some tickets? :)
boy
Dusty sounds so lucid and informed there. i gotta say that puts a big smile on my face.
My millions are unconventional!
by Charlie Scrabbles on Apr 2, 2009 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
He actually sounds like a manager.
And Adam Dunn's spirit, ranging for revenge / With Ate by his side come hot from hell, / Shall in these confines with a monarch's voice / Cry 'Havoc,' and let slip the dogs of war...
by Paul Householder on Apr 2, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
other than the whole thing about not knowing Jenkins was available...
Although I guess that’s Jocketty’s job…
People Don't Kill People. Burning Couches Kill People.
that our Walt told Dusty not to talk so much
Dusty said a lot on air on WLW last night. Maybe, until they meet with Sheff today, they aren’t going to say much more. Rosenthal thinks Sheffield is going to the Reds, and I trust his thinking a hell of a lot more than John Fay.
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Homer
I think it would be a huge mistake for the Reds to send Homer to Louisville. Screw options. The kid has pitched pretty damned great this spring and deserves to be up. I don’t think you want to mess with his head and give him a “What do I have to do to get a shot” complex.
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I don't think that's a problem
The newly mature Homer sounds like he understands the big picture now. I don’t think starting in Louisville would give him a complex. He knows he’ll be back with the big club soon, even if he starts in AAA.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
The WWL seems to think we're set at outfield,
in this piece stating that Sheff’s going to be a backup 1B/PH if he does indeed sign. Makes me feel a million times better.
It's Probably Gonna Happen (Maybe)
Does this mean I have to take down my “In Dusty We Trusty” posters?
I know that Owings had a better spring
but I would rather give Homer the 5th spot and put Owings in the ’pen. I think Bailey could do a lot more this year than Owings. Owings at best is a little above average, Bailey has the ability to dominate.
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions!"- Dr. Stephen T. Colbert DFA.
yea
pretty much. owings has gotten lucky a couple times
"strikeouts are alot sexier than groundouts"
explain please
I don’t see it. Outside of the start against MIN on 3/26, I don’t see how Owings was lucky. What I am missing?
MICAH OWINGS, RHP DATE OPP DEC. IP H R ER BB SO *Tue vs NYY L 5.0 6 4 1 3 5 *3/26 vs Min W 4.0 6 1 1 5 3 *3/18 minors 4.1 9 7 6 - 5 *3/13 at Min W 4.0 2 - - - 4 *3/8 vs Tor - 4.0 1 - - 1 6 *3/3 at Bos W 3.2 3 2 2 1 4 *2/26 vs Min - 3.0 2 - - - 2
HOMER BAILEY, RHP DATE OPP DEC. IP H R ER BB SO *4/1 at Hou - 6.0 4 2 2 1 8 *3/26 minors 5.0 8 8 4 1 2 *3/21 vs Pit L 4.2 4 3 3 2 4 *3/16 minors 5.0 4 3 3 1 6 3/11 vs Hou - 2.0 3 - - - 1 *3/7 at Tor - 4.0 6 1 1 - 1 *3/2 at Pit - 3.0 1 0 0 1 4 2/25 at TB - 1.0 - - - - 2
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
how so? he gave up 4 runs in 5 innings
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
I'm not sure how that makes him lucky
sounds like the error hurt him.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
sorry, I absolutely do not hate you
or think you are an idiot or anything. I’m just picking fights today. :)
But you are wrong. :)
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
Don't mind Slyde
He’s kind of a fiduciary.
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they've both pitched well
so i really dont give a care who wins it, honestly. they both should be fine.
My millions are unconventional!
by Charlie Scrabbles on Apr 2, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
me neither
but I think Owings has been the better pitcher this Spring, if only slightly better.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
batfactor
advantage: Owings.
But Homer can take some cuts. He’s Bronson-esque.
"I've actually never had a drink before, tonight I might try it out. We'll see."
—Dodgers pitcher Clayton Kershaw, on turning 21
Old Joe Nuxhall quote:
“If you swing the bat you’re dangerous” (unless you’re Corey Patterson).
Its probably going to happen - bend over
Yep.
Then you factor in that Owings has a history of retiring MLB hitters when healthy and that his bat is likely worth well over a Win versus a pitcher who projects the same ERA over a full season and you have to give him the nod. If Arroyo has to miss any time, the Reds should give Bailey fifth starter Innings in April while rotating out of the pen.
It’s a move it or lose it year for Bailey due to his options so he needs to prove he can do something at the MLB level in 2009. I’d prefer him out of the pen over a mediocre arm like Masset if everyone’s healthy in order to give him that chance. But I sure wouldn’t go to war with Bailey slotted in the rotation instead of Owings at this point.
Bailey to Bullpen?
I know this has been discussed, but what would this look like? And why is it between Homer and Masset for long relief? It seems that there are a couple examples of instances where putting a young pitcher who had always been a starter in the bullpen was successful, but not usually for long relief.
Joakim Soria (23) comes to mind, good stuff but sometimes spotty control and he seems to be doing pretty well.
Taylor Buchholz is another guy who upon being converted to reliever was the most reliable pitcher for the Rockies.
So I would conclude that if the goal is to keep Homer a starter, send him to AAA with Masset at long relief so Bailey can start every 5th day and know when he’s pitching. But what do people think about converting him into a 7th inning guy at least for this year if there aren’t any spots left in the rotation?
by Tony Cornell Big Red on Apr 2, 2009 3:25 PM EDT reply actions
Posted right before I saw this...
I think that’s not only a good idea (Bailey in the pen), but it’s probably the best thing for Bailey and the team. If he continues to show that he can’t retire MLB hitters during the regular season then send him down and have him work in AAA as a SP. But if he can gain some confidence and display that he can finally do something other than throw relatively hard, then you’ve got a guy you can stretch out for spot starts and injury replacement while biding time for a regular turn in the rotation.
No sir, I don't like it
Bailey’s development has been so spotty, I think it would be a hugely unnecessary risk to throw him in the bullpen as a long man, whose very role is defined by low leverage situations and unpredictability. Also, Bailey’s entire problem has been relying too much on his fastball, which meant he was in trouble the 2nd and 3rd times through the lineup. As a reliever, you only have to worry about facing 6 guys at the most, and I’m afraid he’d fall back on his old habits instead of using his secondary pitches. We have to remember that Homer was the consensus #2 or #3 pitching prospect just a couple of years ago—that doesn’t happen randomly. It’s been a long road, but now that he is actually hinting at filling his potential, the Reds should do everything they can to nurture him as a starter.
The best thing they can do to nuture him as a starter is trade Bronson ASAP
Its probably going to happen - bend over
Agreed
I would love to see us trade Bronson for someone who could be the next Carlos Quentin. Maybe Delmon Young, Alex Gordon or Chris Young. Risky, yes, but I think it’s riskier to let Homer languish in AAA.
or Wily Mo Pena
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
Re: Bailey
It’s been a long road, but now that he is actually hinting at filling his potential, the Reds should do everything they can to nurture him as a starter.
I agree but the Reds have enough talent and they’re competing in a division with only one championship-quality ‘team to beat’ so the rotation has to have more than one veteran lest the organization be perceived to be ‘rebuilding’ for yet another season. Yes, the consensus here at RR is that that is exactly what they are doing but having Harang, Arroyo and a Cy Young contender anchor the staff gives off the impression that Dusty is just a player or two away from October. Trading Arroyo to make room for another twenty-something starter doesn’t do that for most of the tri-state’s seat-filling asses.
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Apr 4, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
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