Daugherty: Baker meeting with Sheffield tomorrow
by Slyde on Apr 1, 2009 8:35 PM EDT
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Ah Twitter, where rumors can be thrown out into the ether with few details or context. For instance, Paul Daugherty just dropped this nugget on us:
dusty baker just told me he's meeting tomorrow w/gary sheffield
Sixty-three characters that could stir up what has been a rather quiet spring for the Reds. I have to wonder though, why not give us some more in the remaining 77 characters, Doc? Like, where are they meeting? Or does Dusty think he's a fit? Or what the hell?
UPDATE: Fay has confirmed the Reds interest with Walt Jocketty.
“Perhaps, it’s something we’ve talked about,” Jocketty said. “We’re going to at least explore the possibility. He’s still a threat in the lineup … if the price is right.”
- snip -
When asked if the Reds are interested in Jenkins, Jocketty said, “I don’t know yet. I just saw that he was released. It’s something we’ll look into, but we’re really looking for a right-handed bat.”
As you probably know, the Detroit Tigers released Gary Sheffield earlier this week, eating the remaining $14 million left on his contract. There's been a lot of chatter at various team sites about whether the 40-year old Sheffield could be a fit on their team. Heck, it's even happened here a bit. So the question is, do we want Sheffield?
Let's look at his projections for 2009 and compare them to Chris Dickerson and Jonny Gomes, the presumptive platoon in LF. I'm going to look at PECOTA only because it shows splits. Below you'll see projections for all three:
According to PECOTA, Sheffield is really no longer as good of a hitter as either Dickerson or Gomes, and while he'd be a nice platoon with Dickerson, he's definitely not an upgrade of Gomes, who is already in house.
Defensively, he's a dead average performer in the corner spots according to CHONE, which is an upgrade over Gomes, who projects to -14 runs defensively over 150 games in LF. Dickerson projects to +3 runs and Jenkins -3 in LF. Of course, these projections can be a little deceptive for Sheffield since he's played a grand total of 18 games in the outfield over the last 2 seasons. I'd guess that projecting him as an average fielder in the outfield is generous, and is likely a guess by the CHONE projections. Having spent the last couple of years watching an over-the-hill player in the outfield, I'm not sure we want to go through that again.
I think the best we could hope for from Sheffield is that he somehow regains his performance level from 2007 when he put up an OPS+ of 120 for the Tigers. But that's asking a lot of a 40-year old, and I really can't see any reason why the Reds would go after someone like him to essentially replace Gomes who has already shown that he's got some skills left in his game. Heck, Gomes even has the firey reputation to kick some butt in the clubhouse, so it's not like Sheffield would be needed for that.
Can anybody think of a good argument for bringing Sheffield on to the Reds?
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He could hit his 500th homerun as a Red!!!
Yay!!!!
Made from 100% recycled awesome,
by chandrathan on Apr 1, 2009 8:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Another argument
He’s completely fucking crazy, and we need someone to replace Farney in that department
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by BK on Apr 1, 2009 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
plus his uncle witll bring the blow
Made from 100% recycled awesome,
by chandrathan on Apr 1, 2009 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Since when has dusty needed a good argument
as the basis for a decision?
We want to build long period of time. I didn’t come here for the shot run.
by Gray on Apr 1, 2009 8:44 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
rec'd
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by PeteyHendrix on Apr 1, 2009 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I came here for an argument.
And Adam Dunn's spirit, ranging for revenge / With Ate by his side come hot from hell, / Shall in these confines with a monarch's voice / Cry 'Havoc,' and let slip the dogs of war...
by Paul Householder on Apr 1, 2009 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you're both wrong.
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by PeteyHendrix on Apr 2, 2009 2:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ugh.
40 years old. Has a total of 375 innings in the outfield in the past 3 years. Has quit on teams so they trade him.
Yea, he’s just he kind of guy a rebuilding team should be chasing after.
Often wrong, never uncertain.
by sidnancy on Apr 1, 2009 8:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The Fay link has a link to audio of Doc talking to Dusty
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on Apr 1, 2009 8:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Gary Sheffield
Didn’t we just ask KGJr. to hit the road…
Sheffield strikes me as a step backwards towards a successful 2010.
Jenkins is almost as so what as Sheffield except that he’s probably a better clubhouse guy.
WTF
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by Madville on Apr 1, 2009 8:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
actually Jenkins mashes on right-handers
I’d love him on the bench instead of Nix, but I doubt he’d take a 5th outfielder role for a team like the Reds.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on Apr 1, 2009 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is he worth the home-run threat reputation that he provides to opposing pitchers?
If he would sign cheaply with the Reds he could be penciled in as the cleanup hitter and pitchers would (possibly) have to respect his bat-until he proves that last season was not a fluke because of injuries etc. It is a weak argument, I know, but if he were to rebound close to those numbers in 07 wouldn’t it be worth the risk?
Wost case, you cut him or keep him on as a pinch hitting threat.
I am not totally against the idea. Although I admit starting 40 year old outfielders does not sound like a sound ‘rebuilding’ strategy to me.
by orex121 on Apr 1, 2009 8:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
here's why i think it's a bad idea
if he is signed, i would wager that Dusty makes him the starting LF and de facto clean-up hitter. we saw how he respected Griffey last year and im afraid the same thing would happen with Sheff. he’s an old man now and i dont think he can do it. he’s been on a steep decline for a few years now, hasnt played the field in forever, and (im guessing here) is not taking steroids anymore. at this point, Sheff, even at the league minimum, is a big step down from who we already have in house.
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by Charlie Scrabbles on Apr 1, 2009 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Home runs or not,
He’s still a threat to opposing pitching.
By which I mean he threatens them.
With violence. I now consider this joke belabored.
I don't want to hear any weak sh*t from Jason Grilli.
by cherub_daemon on Apr 1, 2009 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
actually....
Platoon Sheff & Gomes in LF, and you have quite the 1, 2 punch…
by Highlifeman21 on Apr 1, 2009 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by PeteyHendrix on Apr 2, 2009 2:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Noooooooooooooo
Please, not Sheff.
I really can’t see him on an NL team at this point.
And by all accounts, he was clubhouse poison, constantly complaining about his contract.
Besides, I blame him for 2005.
Bubba was set up under the ball, dammit.
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by BubbaFan on Apr 1, 2009 9:04 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I think we're touching on an important point here:
Isn’t Gary Sheffield, in fact, a complete and total douche bag?
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by PeteyHendrix on Apr 1, 2009 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I challenge one person to find evidence to the contrary of this.
...because there's already someone posing as Jacob Brumfield
by Cy Schourek on Apr 1, 2009 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well this is the best I could find..and well it sounds more like a Dear John letter from Joe Maddon
"I have so much respect for this guy as a baseball player. I’ve gotten to know him a little bit over the last couple years, just having abstract conversations with him. I saw him during the off-season he’s in great shape, he’s a very strong person. And I like him. Conversationally I really like him. I don’t know, again, it’s very complimentary that he would want to play with us, and beyond that I have no idea what would happen.’’
courtesy of bless you boys via st pete times.
And having abstract conversations is dramatically different than telling him he is not batting fourth in the middle of a season.
by orex121 on Apr 1, 2009 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well
He invited my friend to a party at his mansion in Florida.
Of course, his wife wasn’t home at the time, so maybe it was kinda douche-baggy.
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by BubbaFan on Apr 1, 2009 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions!"- Dr. Stephen T. Colbert DFA.
by justin007000 on Apr 2, 2009 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He says he went to...
where? I’m not registering to find out.
by Daedalus on Apr 2, 2009 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it is in the free part
just search god
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by justin007000 on Apr 2, 2009 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wtf was that?
We want to build long period of time. I didn’t come here for the shot run.
by Gray on Apr 1, 2009 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you mean the photo
It’s Game 5 of the ALDS. Sheff and Bubba collided in center-left. Two runs scored, which turned out to be the game. And the season.
It was clearly Bubba’s ball. He was set up under it. Sheff ordinarily would have let him get it. But I guess he decided to put forth some effort, it being Game 5 of the ALDS and all.
It was a great game for Bubba otherwise. 2 for 3, with a stolen base…on a pitchout. But all most people remember is that frickin’ collision.
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by BubbaFan on Apr 1, 2009 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I meant
center-right. I’m a little dyslexic tonight…
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by BubbaFan on Apr 1, 2009 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This sucks.
It’s still April Fool’s day, right? Right?
"I can eat mayonnaise with a spoon." - Jeff Brantley
by BK on Apr 1, 2009 9:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
One silver lining in all of this
If Sheff comes and plays for the Reds, doesn’t that mean if Taveras struggles, Dickerson will get more playing time in CF?
/embracing the half full glass of shit
"I can eat mayonnaise with a spoon." - Jeff Brantley
by BK on Apr 1, 2009 9:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
An OF of Sheff, Dick/Virus, and Bruce
would likely be an improvement on our existing situation of:
JonnyDick, T-Virus, and Bruce.
The optimal decision would seem to be standing pat with Gomes, as neither Jenkins nor Sheffield project as well as Gomes or a platoon of JonnyDick. Our optimal OF would perhaps be:
Gomes, Dickerson, Bruce
But here’s the sticky wicket: T-Virus is gonna get 650 PA’s this year unless something changes. If Sheffield is signed, Dusty will “treat him with respect” and play him nearly all the time, forcing:
1. Dickerson to take away some of T-Virus’ PA’s.
2. Brandon Phillips out of the the cleanup spot.
3. An OF of Sheffield, Dick/Virus, Bruce
Getting BP out of the cleanup spot has some important value. I haven’t run the RAA, but I would be surprised if an OF of Sheffield, Dick/Virus, Bruce wasn’t better than an OF of JonnyDick, T-Virus, and Bruce + no BP in the cleanup spot.
Also, Dick/Virus is friggin’ funny.
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by PeteyHendrix on Apr 2, 2009 2:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm agreed
I also am growing tired of GoDicker, which i find sexist and insensitive. I personally always read it as the God Dicker
"balls"-Slyde
by The Crushinator on Apr 2, 2009 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kanye West is disappointed in your preference
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on Apr 2, 2009 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I haven't figured out a way to make this reference work yet
this is the best I’ve seen.
...because there's already someone posing as Jacob Brumfield
by Cy Schourek on Apr 2, 2009 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, you'll be disappointed to know that
jch beat you to the punch on that. And, naturally, Brendan beat everyone to the punch.
"I can eat mayonnaise with a spoon." - Jeff Brantley
by BK on Apr 2, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so, um.
Why was Sheffield released?
We want to build long period of time. I didn’t come here for the shot run.
by Gray on Apr 1, 2009 9:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
read petey's comment a few up
...because there's already someone posing as Jacob Brumfield
by Cy Schourek on Apr 1, 2009 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whatever it was was worth $14 MILLION DOLLARS.
Obviously the money is gone either way, but damn…
"Screw it. We've got bigger problems than a butter shortage."
by Ash on Apr 1, 2009 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bailed. Out.
"What wrath, Daddy?"
by Fat Vegas Alan on Apr 1, 2009 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There you go, Gary Sheffield is the equivalent of a subprime mortgage
"Screw it. We've got bigger problems than a butter shortage."
by Ash on Apr 1, 2009 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sell that shit to Iceland.
"What wrath, Daddy?"
by Fat Vegas Alan on Apr 1, 2009 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't Iceland can afford to pay the $400,000
"Screw it. We've got bigger problems than a butter shortage."
by Ash on Apr 1, 2009 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just tell 'em to take back Bjork and we'll call it even.
"What wrath, Daddy?"
by Fat Vegas Alan on Apr 1, 2009 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
lovely
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Apr 2, 2009 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is a stupid idea.
And I’d bet that Dusty is pushing for it for no other reason than to have a feather in his cap.
"What wrath, Daddy?"
by Fat Vegas Alan on Apr 1, 2009 9:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Umm...
Maybe he could play third? He played third early in his career.
That way EdE could come in during the late innings as a defensive replacement, and he’d actually improve the offense instead.
Reverse psychology always works on Dusty.
And Adam Dunn's spirit, ranging for revenge / With Ate by his side come hot from hell, / Shall in these confines with a monarch's voice / Cry 'Havoc,' and let slip the dogs of war...
by Paul Householder on Apr 1, 2009 9:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
you guys are forgetting the obvious
veteran presence!
www.crosleyfieldterrace.wordpress.com
by xjjeep90 on Apr 1, 2009 9:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes, in 2006 and 2007 Shef's VP would have been nice.
But for 2009? It’d be kinda like Conan asking Ed McMahon to be his cohost.
"What wrath, Daddy?"
by Fat Vegas Alan on Apr 1, 2009 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does anyone know what he was hitting this spring?
by orex121 on Apr 1, 2009 9:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
to answer my own question...
Sheffield hit .178 this spring. The designated hitter had eight hits, including five home runs, in 45 at-bats
by orex121 on Apr 1, 2009 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As soon as he was released...
I turned to my father-in-law and said, “He’s going to be a Red this season.”
It’s exactly what Dusty wants!
I’m not ENTIRELY opposed as it would move Phillips out of the 4 hole (I would hope) but, ideally, he wouldn’t be there in the first place.
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by iamwallaman on Apr 1, 2009 9:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Twitterrhea
If this happens, can we call him Raptor Jesus?
He had alot to say.
He had alot of nothing to say.
We'll miss him.
by sukr on Apr 1, 2009 9:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I dont like him at all
Hes old, crappy defender, takes time away from dickerson and gomes, and is a clubhouse cancer
I say hell butt fucking no!
by smitty3 on Apr 1, 2009 10:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
it's Wild Internet Rumor Night here at RR
hattip to RLN for the link:
Diamond Hoggers is saying the Reds are going to offer Pedro a deal. im sure a dozen teams have offered him a deal, so this really isnt any big shocker, but he’s reportedly expecting around 5 mil. the Reds wont offer that, but if it’s something like 2.5 mil i would approve. i think he can come back and be an effective pitcher, and could probably be a valuable trade chip in July (unless we’re in first then, natch). pitching depth is something every team needs. Sheffield is not pitching depth.
My millions are unconventional!
by Charlie Scrabbles on Apr 1, 2009 10:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Of all the teams...
does any team need more starting pitching depth less than the Reds, at least at this point?
We want to build long period of time. I didn’t come here for the shot run.
by Gray on Apr 1, 2009 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Check the tags for that post
I think that says all we need to know.
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Can someone score me some tickets? :)
by iamwallaman on Apr 1, 2009 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd
Clearly an April Fool’s prank.
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by BubbaFan on Apr 1, 2009 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
still kinda fun though
isnt it?
My millions are unconventional!
by Charlie Scrabbles on Apr 1, 2009 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I heard that Dusty Baker stepped down today.
Apparently he was at odds with Jocketty after he refused to trade for Juan Pierre.
Maybe the possibility of getting Pedro made him change his mind?
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by iamwallaman on Apr 1, 2009 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought about posting one here
but couldn’t think of anything ridiculous that was out of the realm of possibility with Dusty and Walt in charge.
"I can eat mayonnaise with a spoon." - Jeff Brantley
by BK on Apr 1, 2009 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You don't suppose...
…Dusty and Jocketty could be pranking us with this Sheffield talk?
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by BubbaFan on Apr 1, 2009 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If its for 400k
I’m fine with it.
He will want a longer deal, so I am not fine with it.
by thedecline19 on Apr 1, 2009 10:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't see why everyone is so down
I mean if we were talking 8 Million here, I would understand. It’s 400k. If Im paying to see the Reds, I much rather go see Gary Sheffield on the team than Darnell McDonald, Norris Hopper, or Laynce Nix. Obviously what the Reds have put out all spring, has not produced enough offense, and we can make our lineup much better by adding a legitimate cleanup hitter. It moves Brandon Phillips up to the number 2 slot, a slot he is much more suited for.
Taveras
Phillips
Votto
Sheffield
Bruce
Encarnacion
Hernandez
Gonzalez
Pitcher
Bench
Hairston
Hanigan
Gomes
Rosales
Dickerson
Still another LH Bench bat would be nice, but I would be comfortable with that lineup.
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by MixFMKyle on Apr 1, 2009 11:15 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Not sure...
That Sheff would be an upgrade over any of the current alternatives, based on his last season’s stats and his ST performance (as well as his advanced age). In your lineup, you’re benching Dickerson/Gomes in favor of Sheff. In all likelihood, based on the projections above, it’s close to a wash to a slight negative offensively and potentiallly a big negative defensively.
And Adam Dunn's spirit, ranging for revenge / With Ate by his side come hot from hell, / Shall in these confines with a monarch's voice / Cry 'Havoc,' and let slip the dogs of war...
by Paul Householder on Apr 1, 2009 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No way would it be a wash
Dickerson is probably around 25-30 runs better defensively than Sheff.
Offensively Dickerson’s projections are higher. Chris has always drawn walks/ has increased his HR count almost every year in the Reds system and would almost certainly be a plus fielding LF and certainly adequate in CF.
You would have to be Dusty Baker crazy to take away playing time from Chris to give it to a 40 year old Sheffield. If they are considierng this why didnt they just keep Griffey.
I would have lost all faith in Jockerty if he signs Sheffield.
by davidmac84 on Apr 2, 2009 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Since when did people on this board
become convinced that Dickerson is a major league outfielder? He performed nicely in his audition, it doesn’t mean he’s Hamlet and giving Sheffield some of PA’s would mess up his soliloquy (“To walk or not to walk”).
Seems to me, the fans on other blogs are terribly obsessed with scrappy white guy who stink and the fans on this board are obsessed with young, possibly quadruple A players. Maybe Sheffield CAN still hit. What’s the crime of seeing of seeing so?
by timb116 on Apr 2, 2009 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the question is, what is the more productive option in 2009
Gary Sheffield or Dickerson/Gomes? I believe, and all of the projection systems believe, it’s the latter. Heck, even if they just bring in Sheffield to platoon, Gomes still projects to be a better hitter versus lefties. It’s not about salivating over Dickerson. It’s about putting the best players on the team.
And I made my argument for the downside of your last question here.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on Apr 2, 2009 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Slyde, I too love math and sabermetrics,
but PECOTA is as wrong as much as it is right. One cannot make every decision based upon projections, otherwise we never would have signed Johnny Gomes, since he’d be an All-Star and making 9 million in arbitration with the Rays.
With that said, your linked argument is muy compelling. Sheffield’s a dick and can be a cancer. If things didn’t work out, one would hop Walt has the power I think he does (after allowing Dusty carte blanche in a lost season) and he will release a no-hit, cancer-spreading veteran. The recent moves towards relieving Jacque Jones of any contract status made me imagine the adult might be in charge of personnel moves.
I see little downside to this, as long as Walt retains the control of when someone is released.
In the end, the chances Sheff is superior to Gomes at this moment are small, so I will not weep in either case. But, this team needs power and the ability to score runs and for a small cost, we can see if this will work.
by timb116 on Apr 2, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
my worry is he will keep an average around .260
and OPS around .750 being just good enough to block the other guys.
Although if he does that the Reds could flip him for a low level prospect.
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions!"- Dr. Stephen T. Colbert DFA.
by justin007000 on Apr 2, 2009 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but PECOTA is as wrong as much as it is right. One cannot make every decision based upon projections, otherwise we never would have signed Johnny Gomes, since he’d be an All-Star and making 9 million in arbitration with the Rays.
Of course, but then bunting over a runner to second with no outs in the first inning works sometimes too. That doesn’t mean that it’s a good strategy. I realize that these players aren’t their projections, but the projections give us information about what we can realistically expect from them. And I believe they are a lot more accurate than having a hunch that a player might perform at a particular level.
I’m not going to throw a fit if Sheffield is signed (at this point, I doubt he will be). The biggest complaint that I have is that it is an unnecessary move that could potentially blow up in the Reds face. And if we were talking about someone like Milton Bradley – who is basically Sheffield but with better hitting projections – I would be all for it. I just don’t believe that Sheffield has anything left in the tank and trying to find out if he does would be a waste of time.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on Apr 2, 2009 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Information is opverated
just ask uncle Jocko and Mr. Toothpick
Its probably going to happen - bend over
by Madville on Apr 3, 2009 1:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
amen
Dickerson is just an environmentally-conscious Denorfia, methinks
...because there's already someone posing as Jacob Brumfield
by Cy Schourek on Apr 2, 2009 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's raceless!
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on Apr 2, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Always dangerous...
To generalize about the people on this blog.
You are even more likely to draw fire (and deservedly so), particularly since you only joined in October 2008, and it has been my experience that in most cases, the people on this blog usually have very good reasons for believing what they believe (except with respect to what they believe constitutes racism).
In my opinion, the people on this blog are not “obsessed with young, possibly quadruple A players.”
I think most of the people who have expressed negative views on the transaction are far from “obsessed with young, possibly quadruple A players” but are rather questioning what a 41-year old injury-prone outfielder who is (a) coming off one of the worst offensive seasons in his career and a horrible spring training, (b) is a potential (perhaps likely) clubhouse cancer and © plays average (at best) and lousy (at worst) defense (except at DH, at which he definitely plays average defense) can offer to the team.
The “crime” of seeing whether he can still play is that this team is managed by Dusty Baker, who has shown an unhealthy propensity to fixate on veteran players when younger players either need to be given a shot at proving their worth or are actually likely to be better than the veteran (see, e.g., Patterson, Corey, as plaintiff’s Exhibit A).
And Adam Dunn's spirit, ranging for revenge / With Ate by his side come hot from hell, / Shall in these confines with a monarch's voice / Cry 'Havoc,' and let slip the dogs of war...
by Paul Householder on Apr 2, 2009 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i don't know
i like young posters over veteran posters. :)
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by justin007000 on Apr 2, 2009 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
(crolfer, watch out)
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by BK on Apr 2, 2009 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is a family website.
And Adam Dunn's spirit, ranging for revenge / With Ate by his side come hot from hell, / Shall in these confines with a monarch's voice / Cry 'Havoc,' and let slip the dogs of war...
by Paul Householder on Apr 2, 2009 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is?
Since when?
Does this mean Madville has been banned?
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by BubbaFan on Apr 2, 2009 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would argue that Phillips is less suited for the 2-spot than clean up
He doesn’t have the patience to be batting behind Taveras and he doesn’t get on base enough to be considered a “2nd leadoff man”. If I’ve got a guy who’s going to trying to hit everything, I want him lower in the lineup, not higher.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on Apr 2, 2009 8:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But he has great speed, and he is a middle infielder.
And Adam Dunn's spirit, ranging for revenge / With Ate by his side come hot from hell, / Shall in these confines with a monarch's voice / Cry 'Havoc,' and let slip the dogs of war...
by Paul Householder on Apr 2, 2009 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I posted the stuff about Sheffield/Pedro
My source is good. I’m a Reds fan with a source.
They’re going to pull out the checkbook tomorrow with Sheffield I was told. Pedro there was no word on…..
by TheNaturalMevs on Apr 1, 2009 11:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I, for one, would much rather have Pedro than Sheff
Though Sheff for 400K, I could certainly live with. But this is the team that gave Corey Patterson $3M, so they won’t be bargain shopping with Sheff either.
by Brendanukkah on Apr 1, 2009 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Pedro comes, I'll eat my hat.
"What wrath, Daddy?"
by Fat Vegas Alan on Apr 1, 2009 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Walt?
I thought we had a plan. WTF?
"I never should have given up the animation rights."
by BobbyO on Apr 1, 2009 11:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Just envision the ass-stupidest thing you possibly can
and that is what the Reds are going to do. Every time.
"I usually shoot it pretty straight."- a boating enthusiast
by Colin Auscapee on Apr 2, 2009 12:44 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I wish I could be a fly on the wall
Dusty: Hey Sheff, wazzup my man…
Sheff: Fuck you old man
Dusty: Hey, heh, you still scrappy MF
Sheff: I want to bat cleanup
Dusty: You know I respect what you’ve done in your career
Sheff: I want the LF job but I don’t want to have to hit against real good pitchers
Dusty: Hey man its yours, we need VP leadership
Sheff: Ok then, I get the corner locker
Dusty: sounds like a deal to me, man
Sheff: Fuck you old man, you’re fucking deaf
Walt: I’ll Joke-etty and give him the news
Sheff: Fuck that old prick too.
How can we stop stupid people from voting? LOBOTOMY ! How can we stop stupid people from voting? KILL THEM ! How can we stop stupid people from voting? START A FILIBUSTER !
by Madville on Apr 2, 2009 7:46 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
there's a word for this - it starts with an F
by Daedalus on Apr 2, 2009 8:25 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Flagellum?
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on Apr 2, 2009 8:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The tail that wags the simple organism?
That’s our guy.
"What wrath, Daddy?"
by Fat Vegas Alan on Apr 2, 2009 8:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dusty/Sheffield Bro-mance
I first thought that said “orgasm”
He had alot to say.
He had alot of nothing to say.
We'll miss him.
by sukr on Apr 2, 2009 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The head on the morning XM/MLB show..
..seemed to be pretty confident that Sheffield wanted a two-year deal.
Also, according to their reporting (which was probably based on their interview with Sheffield’s agent) the Phillies are also interested. So that’s the good news. The bad news is that evidently the Reds are going to be the first to actually meet with him and you’d guess that if the Reds want to keep him from talking to other teams, they’ll have to get out the checkbook and bid higher and longer than a one-year $400k deal.
"What wrath, Daddy?"
by Fat Vegas Alan on Apr 2, 2009 8:47 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The Reds are the Bull
and Futility is our matador
"balls"-Slyde
by The Crushinator on Apr 2, 2009 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
My concern with Sheffield is that, for good or bad, he'll be a dynamic force in the clubhouse
Yes, there’s a chance he becomes the Greg Vaughn type leader this team has been lacking for a decade, but there is just as much of a chance, I believe, that he could become a serious problem in the clubhouse. People like to say things like, “What’s the risk? Maybe he can show that 2008 was just because of injury problems.” To which I say, the risk is that if 2008 wasn’t just injury problems, will Dusty be able make Sheffield sit quietly? Or worse yet, will he even try? Despite having a sub-800 OPS for the majority of last season, Ken Griffey Jr. batted 3rd for the Reds in 89 of his 96 starts for the team mainly because Griffey was a Hall of Famer who earned that right. I fully expect that Sheffield would get the same sort of respect from Baker.
And if he doesn’t get that sort of respect, Sheffield has already shown in the past that he can become very vocal if he doesn’t like the way things are going. Maybe the attitudes of Dunn and Griffey weren’t good for the young players on the team, but does it make any sense to replace them with an attitude like Sheffield?
I don’t think his upside of possibly being slightly better than what the Reds already have outweighs the negative that could happen in a realistic scenario of failure.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on Apr 2, 2009 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What could have been
Could you imagine an outfield of Dunn/Griff/Sheff? Even if they all had good offensive years, I could imagine some pitchers refusing to take the mound w/that OF. I know this is neither here nor there, but it just popped into my mind.
Seriously though, I would rather the Reds not sign him. I read somewhere last year that Leyland wanted to ger rid of him last year because of his bellyaching. I just don’t see the plus side of having him.
However, If he is not producing and Dusty is wanting to respect him too much, Walt can always give him that ever popular unconditional release.
However, does whatever length of time they go with the experiment cause havoc on whtever amount of chemistry these guys have established thus far?
by fourrunhomer on Apr 2, 2009 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i was thinking the same thing
everyone around the reds this spring said something about the team’s chemistry and the positive vibes around the clubhouse. i really don’t think they should mess with that, esp since getting sheffield would not be an improvement over what they have right now.
poor dickerson. he’d get screwed if this were to happen.
by Daedalus on Apr 2, 2009 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If batshit crazy is one of the five tools,
then Sheff has at least one tool left. You buncha racist muthafuckers!
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Apr 2, 2009 9:41 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
some help?
got this message today from a mets fan coming to the Holy Day:
“so when i was doing all this research on cincy, i found a link to this bar that’s across the river, some legendary dive place? but i can’t find the bookmark. surely you will know what i am talking about (i hope).”
anyone know what bar she could be referring to?
by Daedalus on Apr 2, 2009 9:45 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I know lots of dive bars
but cannot think which one would be considered legendary. More info, please.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Apr 2, 2009 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i have no more info
i don’t know anything about cincinnati that isn’t reds related.
by Daedalus on Apr 2, 2009 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe southgate house
"I never should have given up the animation rights."
by BobbyO on Apr 2, 2009 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dave and Busters?
"balls"-Slyde
by The Crushinator on Apr 2, 2009 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably
Bobbie Mackees?!?
"I've actually never had a drink before, tonight I might try it out. We'll see."
—Dodgers pitcher Clayton Kershaw, on turning 21
by obc2 on Apr 2, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good call..
Ask him if heard it was haunted..
Education is what you get from reading the directions. Experience is what you get from not reading them.
by snohio on Apr 2, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is probably the one he's talking about
I miss the old days of the internet when men were men, hot girls were middle aged men, and hot underage girls were FBI agents.....
by jch24 on Apr 2, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
To sum up:
Too many Sheffs spoil the broth.
by Brendanukkah on Apr 2, 2009 9:45 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
don't rec this, people! he's trying too hard!
by Daedalus on Apr 2, 2009 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
/green'd
And Adam Dunn's spirit, ranging for revenge / With Ate by his side come hot from hell, / Shall in these confines with a monarch's voice / Cry 'Havoc,' and let slip the dogs of war...
by Paul Householder on Apr 2, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am in favor
As long as it is a one year deal. It moves BP out of the cleanup spot in the lineup and frees up Dickerson to be a 4th outfielder for the inevitable injuries that happen during the season. I like Dickerson in that role a lot better. Plus I think Sheffs numbers would get a bump coming to the national league and into Great American. If it doesnt work we can always cut him if it is only for one year. Plus I think this is where you can optimize what Baker is good at as a manger, using his clubhouse skills to keep Sheff on track.
by CamIam on Apr 2, 2009 10:14 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
a couple thoughts
1. According to PECOTA, Phillips projects to be more productive than Sheffield. I’m not sure what improvement the Reds get by moving Sheff into the cleanup spot over Phillips.
2. Why is Dickerson better as a 4th outfielder rather than a platoon? I’m not sure how to differentiate the value of the two roles, but they seem more or less the same thing, no?
3. Sheffield hasn’t gotten along with the last two managers he’s had, who just happened to be Hall of Fame caliber managers named Joe Torre and Jim Leyland. I’m not sure why Dusty will suddenly be able to rein him in.
4. Do you think the Reds have the cajones to actually cut someone like Sheffield? I see Dusty spending more time defending him than tossing him out when he gets to be a problem. That scenario seems more likely to me.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on Apr 2, 2009 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
By all accounts (including his own)
Sheffield did get along well with Bobby Cox, another Hall of Fame manager. As a manager of clubhouse personalities, is Dusty more like Cox or Torre/Leyland?
Or was Sheffield’s relatively sane and fruitful stay in Atlanta attributable to his excellent production as a Brave?
Will you stop it with the vegetables
by Man Mountain on Apr 2, 2009 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
interesting with the increased focus on defense from
both the popular press and the sabermetric community and usually clubs sometimes foolishly try to duplicate the hot winning strategy(Tampa Bay- improve several defense positions and you can save a boatload of runs against)- the Reds are looking to be the contrarian and sign a 40 year old LF with questionable offensive skills and almost a lock certainity to be at best similar to A. Dunn in the field and take PT away from Dickerson whom has the skills to be a decent CF and probably around +10 run defense LF.
Bold move by Jockety and Baker- I think its insane that they are even talking to Sheffield.
by davidmac84 on Apr 2, 2009 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reply
1. Is PECOTA figuring for Sheffield in the American or National League? Comerica or Great American? I think there would be some boost for him coming over here.
2. I watched Dickerson play a lot when I lived in Louisville and I am not convinced he is going be an everyday guy. If Bruce goes down for a month do you feel comfortable with a Gomes/Tavaras/Dickerson outfield? I wouldnt.
3. I dont know if he would get a long with Dusty or not.
4. I dont know if they do. I think Walt would get rid of him when Stubbs or someone else is ready this summer if he wasnt producing. If not its only 1 year.
by CamIam on Apr 2, 2009 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Sheffield didnt have to play in the OF
your points would make limited sense.
The last 2 years Gary played more than 100 games in the field were 04 and 05-is UZR rating in those 2 years were 18 and -29. Its 3 years later hes now 40 years old. By any reasonable estimate he will be significantly worse in the field than Adam Dunn.
And he was below league average offensively last. And he has had a horrible spring at the plate.
No rational organization would consider taking away PT from Chris Dickerson to sign Sheffield.
by davidmac84 on Apr 2, 2009 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
a couple of answers
1. Not sure if PECOTA is park neutral, but I’m pretty sure CHONE is. He has Sheff at .242/.341/.415 and BP at .271/.325/.455. I just don’t see Sheff being an upgrade offensively over BP in the 4th spot.
2. I’m not arguing for Dickerson as an everyday guy. I’m saying he should be platooned. And in your scenario, if Bruce goes down, do you feel comfortable with a Sheffield/Taveras/Dickerson outfield? How is that better than the alternative?
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on Apr 2, 2009 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that slugging percentage is too low for Sheffield. He already hit 5 HR this spring so the power is still there (I know that is cherry picking some since he is not hitting .200 this spring but the power hasnt gone anywhere yet). He has always had great plate discipline so even if his average isnt high he is going to have a solid OBP. Plus I think he is going to command more respect from pitchers in that spot and get on base more for guys down in the lineup. I know that is hard to quantify ( the respect part) but I can remember games last year where guys would pitch around Jr in situations just because it was Jr. Sheffield would still get that respect in my opinion.
by CamIam on Apr 2, 2009 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
when you consider Dickerson defense
I think he should be the everyday LF or at least 140-150 games.
20-30 starts for Gomes if fine although defensively he is pretty similar to Dunn.
I am still not sure why Dickerson doesnt get more respect from the organization.
If you look at his record you have 3 very important traits. He is by all reports an exceptional defensive player; he has always drawn walks; and he has increased his HR count almost every year in the organization. Plus with a job on the line he had the best spring offensively of any Red this spring.
I see him as very similar to a player like Carl Crawford of TB while Sheffield is a slightly worse version of Griffey last year.
by davidmac84 on Apr 2, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
...
Really “braintrust”? Seriously? What in God’s name did Chris Dickerson ever do to get so little respect? Guy’s done nothing but produce in a Reds uniform, you might think he’s at least earned a shot at being a damn platoon player. But no, perish the thought we don’t get that much discussed right-handed bat to stick between Bruce and Votto. And this is great, because it brings the added bonus of veteran presence!!!! Sheff might be a complete fucking scumbag and a whiny prima donna who will bitch and moan if he’s not batting third, but the guy’s a winner!
If this signing happens, it will fuck up team chemistry in a way Brandon Phillips could only dream of. Nothing like a washed up asshole getting 500 ABs in the middle of the order with an ego the size of Mars to get the young guys to really show some progress. Sure, Dickerson’s #s would came back down to Earth a bit, but with Gomes mashing lefties that position becomes one of the team’s bigger positives. Since Dusty and Gary are tight, I’m sure he’ll get a 2 year deal for 3 or 4 mill and play a large factor in the unraveling of the 2009 campaign.
Maybe it’s partly due to my years and years of being disappointed, but this just seems like business as usual for the pathetically inept front office of the Reds.
by chesirecat on Apr 2, 2009 10:28 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
hey
who the hell are you?
My millions are unconventional!
by Charlie Scrabbles on Apr 2, 2009 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heh.
I’ll be wasting time on here again come May, once all hope has been crushed for the season.
by chesirecat on Apr 2, 2009 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"washed up asshole"
That says a lot…
I’d like to be there when Gomes and Sheffield brawl it out
How can we stop stupid people from voting? LOBOTOMY ! How can we stop stupid people from voting? KILL THEM ! How can we stop stupid people from voting? START A FILIBUSTER !
by Madville on Apr 2, 2009 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh hells yeah!
I’m already popping the corn.
It's all fun and games until someone gets herpes. - Fox 4 News
by PeteyHendrix on Apr 2, 2009 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think the Reds should do this
But let’s consider for a moment what this meeting could mean:
1. Walt is humoring Dusty, allowing him to indulge in his fantasy that he has a special rapport with aging stars. Dusty and Sheff share a mango salad and their thoughts.
2. The Reds are talking to Sheff and his agent on the slight, slight chance that he’d be willing to take a one year deal and play a smaller role on this team. And not go after any of the grounds crew with a bat.
3. Walt is beginning to panic a little about the lack of run scoring in the Spring and is looking for a player with a track record of knocking in runs.
Other possible reasons?
Will you stop it with the vegetables
by Man Mountain on Apr 2, 2009 10:30 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think #2 and #3 are close to the truth
plus, I think they see a lack of a viable right-handed power hitter.
What I wish and hope that they see is that Dickerson and Gomes go together like peanut butter and jelly. Put them on a sandwich and I’ll that shit all day.
I’d be more in support of Sheffield if I thought he would actually be productive. Unfortunately, at this point in his career I think his negatives – defense and attitude – outweigh his positives – a declining bat.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on Apr 2, 2009 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and you'll shit all day?
We want to build long period of time. I didn’t come here for the shot run.
by Gray on Apr 2, 2009 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he'll that shit all day
btw, are you meeting me in the Harris Teeter parking lot, lover?
Will you stop it with the vegetables
by Man Mountain on Apr 2, 2009 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm two steps ahead of you...
check your e-mailbox.
We want to build long period of time. I didn’t come here for the shot run.
by Gray on Apr 2, 2009 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've been to that Harris Teeter on MM's recommendation!
Bring Vaseline and a willing attitude.
...because there's already someone posing as Jacob Brumfield
by Cy Schourek on Apr 2, 2009 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
*eat
damnit, I re-read that post twice because the grammar nazis have been coming hard after me lately.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
by Slyde on Apr 2, 2009 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
those guys are dicks
My millions are unconventional!
by Charlie Scrabbles on Apr 2, 2009 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
coming hard.
We want to build long period of time. I didn’t come here for the shot run.
by Gray on Apr 2, 2009 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it's an unwritten rule on here
that if you typo, no one cares. But when anyone typos or misspells, thereby actually CHANGING the meaning of the comment because of that error, that you will get textually mocked.
It's all fun and games until someone gets herpes. - Fox 4 News
by PeteyHendrix on Apr 2, 2009 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of mocked
Where the hell is Gay Jesus…and Cool God and Boobs…you ever notice that these three are never around at the SAME TIME!!!
Its probably going to happen - bend over
by Madville on Apr 3, 2009 2:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is where I stray way from the cround some here
I dont think that betting on Sheffield being productive all year is any different that betting on Gomes/Dickerson platoon to be successful. I know looking at their splits it looks like it will but it is still a gamble. I would rather take a gamble on Sheffield coming over to the national league and have 1 productive year left, if that doesnt work we still can platoon Gomes and Dickerson this year. I would be wary of the attitude but we wont see that if he is productive and if he is not productive then he should be off the team anyway. Now would the Reds cut him if he wasnt productive? I dont know.
by CamIam on Apr 2, 2009 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But dude, he's, like, 80.
We want to build long period of time. I didn’t come here for the shot run.
by Gray on Apr 2, 2009 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sheffield is 40 years old
he has to play in the OF.
The last time he had significant time in the OF was 2005.
He was horrible and teams have reasonably used him in a DH role.
Last year he was below average offensively.
He is going to have to be Manny Ramirez good to make up the 30-40 run difference between his defense and Dickerson’s.
In short this is just insanity- when teams are finally paying attention on the effect of defense. When a small budget team last year made the playoffs by specifically improving their defense in 3 key positions and the Reds are attempting to go against this stream of thought.
And the kicker is he probably below average offensively also.
I mean really why not bring back Griffey to play CF if they are going to consider signing Sheffield.
by davidmac84 on Apr 2, 2009 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
cool
seems like Walt may have had an intervention.
Now he needs to tell Dusty to stop playing GM before he gets Neifi Perez on his speed dial.
by davidmac84 on Apr 2, 2009 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is for you Daedalus and BK
This move makes sense because:
Sheff is Sheff, he hit 19HR last year with a bum shoulder in a park not named GABP.
He is the power RH bat we have been looking for, and we get him pretty cheap thanks to Detroit eating money.
Sheff may be a dick, but he doesnt like to lose, so if the young team starts getting down in a lose streak, we have an asshole that can come down hard on them. These guys are too young for that impact to be negative, they are going to be like, fuck man, Gary is pissed, I had his baseball card, I have to do better.
He`s a career .292 hitter with power, but he is 40. The Reds are good at making gambles look good but here is why. We have two players with potential to still be pretty good players in this league in Gomes and Dickerson, but we invited Jaque Jones, who was once a star, and now are thinking of adding Gary, a HOF who I think can still play. When you take 4 gambles with nothing to really lose, there is a better chance of one of them paying off.
NL factor…lets face it, people from the AL tend to do better when they move to the NL. He hit 19 HR last year while facing consistently better 1-5 rotations AND a bum shoulder.
He isnt in his prime, but looking at his career numbers I think its reasonable to blame the injury for his steep drop off, great baseball players fade more than drop off in their careers.
With this lineup I dont think it matters too much who is batting cleanup, especially with an iffy OBP leadoff hitter. Edwin, Votto, Bruce, B-Phil, Sheff, and possibly Gomes could ALL be clean-up hitters. The name Gary Sheffield in the line-up just takes attention away from the fact that we have a line-up where 7 of the guys on the field could hit 20+ HR this year. Votto, Bruce, Phillips, Encarnacion, Hernandez, Gonzales, Gomes or Dickerson or Sheffield..
Lets face it, he`s better than Nix, and he wouldnt give up on a team where he and the manager mutually suck each other off.
Bring some more people to the goddamn games. We argue on here, but at least we know more than the average baseball fan about the game. Most people go GARY SHEFFIELD IS ON OUR TEAM! and then go to check it out.
Putting one geezer on your team doesnt mean you arent rebuilding, this would probably be a one year deal, we are filling holes until Stubbs comes up, everyone knows it.
And of course if Willy T. sucks, Dickerson gets to play, yes Sheff makes our bench deeper and our team better…its an upgrade of sorts.
This is stupid because:
Dusty Baker makes decisions backfire more than high school kids backfire in their pants.
Gomes looked good this Spring, Dickerson looked good last year, without either one having a long history in the majors for us to gauge their abilities, who is to know what they could do? I think projections on all three of these players are off, its hard to project a guy with 30 games, a guy who played not at all, and a guy coming from injury. Why not give them a chance?
Sheffield hasnt done anything this Spring to show that he can still be good.
If he struggles, Dusty will play him until everyone in Cinci wants to kill him. When a player sucks, Dusty, he sucks…nobody cares if you like him, nobody cares about his past, people want to win, not make your dinner dates less awkward. There is a chance Gary will bounce back, but the odds say he won`t, and that he will still be an everyday starter.
He`s an asshole and I hate his batting stance.
Im not going to lie, this is pretty hard, I want to have more arguments against but I really cant.I think the other guys deserve a shot, but this is a better move than it is a bad one. Little cost, little loss. I just dont have faith in Dusty to pull the plug on the project if it goes wrong. So I guess this means Sheffield isnt the bad idea, Dusty is.
by Reynard on Apr 2, 2009 11:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
When a player sucks Dusty he doesn't suck
He plays!!! unless of course he’s dating Dustball’s daughter in which case he suck and plays.
Which reminds me about what a great nite at the lanes i had tonight…fuckers couldn’t touch old Mads….If Sheffield can play MLB at 41 as well as i can bowl at 60 then let him have a shot…but first he has to beat me in a 3 game bowling match…which he can;t do…
!st of all he couldn’t take the psychological beating I’d give him, secondly if he hit me I’d sue his sorry ass and 3rd…well I ain’t afraid of no washed up asshole…bring him on…if he beats me THEN Dustystump can give him a shot otherwise get the fuck outa here Sheff.
come on you punk….get off my lane!!!!
Its probably going to happen - bend over
by Madville on Apr 3, 2009 2:09 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Just What We Need...
….a middle-aged malcontent, steroid abuser on a team with a 10-cent head manager. Oh, I can’t wait for the return of Juan Castro. Maybe we could bring Bruce Berenyi out of retirement. 72-90, here we come.
by tonywf on Apr 5, 2009 2:17 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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