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Red Reposter - 3/7/09

A little weekend Reposter to catch you up on what the internet is saying about the Reds:

Hall o' Famer Hal has an article up discussing the 5th starter situation.  He gives his odds on who will win out.  Here's what he says about his favorite to win:

MICAH OWINGS (2 to 1) — As long as he keeps pitching good, as he has in his two outings, he is nearly the odds-on favorite. No. 1, the team WANTS him to be No. 5. You don’t trade a player like Adam Dunn for a starting pitcher and then quickly shuffle him aside.

He makes a good point about the Dunn trade.  I hadn't really thought of that angle before.  I figure Owings will get the nod, but this only further bolsters his case.  Hal also had some very interesting things to say about Johnny Cueto:

Now, I have a question for you? All we’ve heard is that the Reds are looking for only the No. 5 spot in the rotation. My question is: Why is Johnny Cueto a for-sure? Why should he be?  Yes, he has great stuff. But he was 9-14 in 31 starts for the Reds last year with a 4.81 ERA. Why should that guarantee him anything?  And now he is gone, off to pitch for the Dominican Republic in the World Baseball Classic. He pitched three innings for the DR in an exhibition game against Baltimore and was the loser, giving up three runs and five hits.  What if Owings and Bailey continue to pitch with aplomb this spring and Cueto doesn’t? What iff Cueto comes back and gets banged around?  Shouldn’t the team consider making Owings No. 4 and Bailey No. 5?

 

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A few things:  if Hal wants the competition opened up to include the 4 and 5 rotation spots, it ostensibly becomes a race between Cueto, Owings, and Bailey.  Hal says that.  Even though this is just a stupid, stupid idea, let's indulge Hal for a minute.  It is clear that Bailey is the odd man out here, even if he has a lights-out spring.  Cueto has a full year of Major League experience and a 4.81 ERA, while not something to brag about, is a pretty respectable number for a kid at 22-years-old.  What did Bailey do as a 22-year-old last year?  His ERA was 4.71.  AND HE WAS PITCHING IN AAA!!  Now, I'm rooting for Homer as much as anyone else, but there is no way 6 weeks in spring can erase the huge lead Cueto has on him right now.  Hal is falling under the "what have you done for me lately?" Spring Training spell.  Frankly, I expect more from a Hall o' Famer.

Dusty Baker thinks Alex Gonzalez will play SS on Tuesday.  If memory serves, it will be the first time we've seen him there since September of '07.  I don't know about you, but I'm kinda excited.

This quote from Jay Bruce has me pulling off my shirt in excitement: 

"That's my No. 1 goal at Spring Training -- swing at strikes and take balls. Not just strikes, but pitches I think I can drive," Bruce said before Friday's game against the Twins. "Something I ran into in the past, if I felt I could make contact with the ball, I'd just swing. This Spring Training, I'm really trying to swing at pitches I can drive and not be afraid to get deep into the counts."

If Bruce can work on his plate discipline just a bit, taking a few more walks and cutting down on his Ks, he will be one of the finest hitters in the National League.  I am 100% confident in that.  But wait!!  Wh-what about Dusty?  I'm sure he has something to say about this.  I mean, a young hitter like Bruce trying to tame his aggressiveness?  I'm sure he has something to say:

"He's starting to swing good. He's swinging better than he was last year, to me," Baker said. "Last year, his average was high but his production wasn't as good as it is this year. I talked to him the other day and said, 'Hey man, it's too early to pull. Start going up the middle and the other way.' That's what he has done."

...So Dusty is OK with all this?  Really?  Well all right.

How 'bout a fish taco, broseph?

This piece at FanGraphs had my jaw on the floor.  The Cubs have led the league in strikeouts as a pitching staff every season since 2001.  That is pretty incredible.  They have completely turned over their pitching staff since then, but they still maintain their pitch-to-kill philosophy in player evaluation.  Cameron mentions the Giants as a contender to detrone them this year, but watch out for the Reds as well.  We were 4th last year and look to even stronger this year, with Owings/Bailey replacing Fogg/Belisle.  Something to keep in mind as the season progresses.

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Time for Bailey to Shine

I think there is a possibility that Cueto could end up in AAA to start the season. However, only if he really struggles (ERA > 9 and BB and HR extremely high) and both Owings and Bailey are lights out. However the chances of Cueto struggling big time are slim.

At the same time don’t count out Bailey for the 5th spot in the rotation. His ceiling is so much higher than that of Owings. If the Reds really want to contend for a spot in the playoffs they need Bailey to pitch as well as Cueto did in 2008. I think Dunn’s replacements will justify trading him. I predict the Reds will get more production from LF in 2009 than they did in 2008.

by Stock on Mar 7, 2009 12:45 PM EST reply actions  

wait a second

Did a hall of famer who gets paid to write just write “as long as he keeps pitching good”?

by greg456 on Mar 7, 2009 12:52 PM EST reply actions  

I was about to say...

in the Arroyo article, the McCoy article, and Baker’s quote, they all use “good” instead of “well”. Bad fundamentals, indeed.

...because there's already someone posing as Jacob Brumfield

by Cy Schourek on Mar 7, 2009 1:51 PM EST up reply actions  

but that is how baseball men talk

baseball men only use the word “well” in the context of “he went to the well once too often”.

"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions!"- Dr. Stephen T. Colbert DFA.

by justin007000 on Mar 7, 2009 2:00 PM EST up reply actions  

well, I think that's not good English.

...because there's already someone posing as Jacob Brumfield

by Cy Schourek on Mar 7, 2009 7:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Now, I have a question for Hal.

If Cueto would have been 11-11 last year does Hal even have an angle for this thing that makes ya go hmm..

Hmm?

Check out these three games:

6/17 v LAD 7ip 5h 2er 3bb 2k 109pitches 63strikes
6/23 v NYY 5ip 4h 1er 0bb 7k 75pitches 50strikes
8/19 v CHC 7ip 4h 1er 2bb 6k 111pitches 67strikes

Those are three games that the Reds lost, despite Cueto pitching well. If you took those three losses away from Cueto, scored some more runs and gave him wins for two out of those three, he would have been 11-11 and yes, Hal, this youngster can have a spot in the back of the rotation of a club trying to chase down .500 for the first time this century.

   

"I accidently put the night light in the washing machine."

by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 7, 2009 1:08 PM EST reply actions  

Arroyo..

“He’s not old. He’s just a little too old to have a smoke machine on his yacht.”

"I accidently put the night light in the washing machine."

by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 7, 2009 1:31 PM EST reply actions  

One of my good friends lives on a houseboat on the Potomac.

Its cheaper than an apartment, about 10x more badass, too. The only drawback is that he got robbed…DC crime isn’t exclusive to land.

...because there's already someone posing as Jacob Brumfield

by Cy Schourek on Mar 7, 2009 1:54 PM EST up reply actions  

DC houseboat burglary

Sounds like the opening scene of a Bruce Willis movie.

"I accidently put the night light in the washing machine."

by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 7, 2009 1:59 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

rec'd

that was perfect in just a few words.

I laid my bed and I'm going to have to sit on it. - A-Roid the Liar

by PeteyHendrix on Mar 8, 2009 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hal also called for Cueto's demotion last May

because he had a couple of bad starts. I’d hate to play on Hal’s team. I guess he would really have to use his ears though.

"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions!"- Dr. Stephen T. Colbert DFA.

by justin007000 on Mar 7, 2009 8:13 PM EST reply actions  

In Hal's defense, he's never seen Cueto's stuff first-hand.

I laid my bed and I'm going to have to sit on it. - A-Roid the Liar

by PeteyHendrix on Mar 8, 2009 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cueto has such nasty stuff

He is only 22
He is fiery and emotional
He will, in time and with experience, develop more consistency, he has star qualities

Homer will be 22 on May 3
He is cocky and prone to Prima Donna-ness
He has the ability to become a big time star

Micah Owings is 26
He is so talented offensively that the DBacks were going to play him at 1B on his non Starting Pitching days
Not a bad idea with Votto in LF, this would bring a RH power hitter into the lineup on a regular basis.

What a nice dilemma.

Perhaps a a flatbed truck loaded with cadavers will explode in front of a Star Trek convention. One can only dream and hope.

by Madville on Mar 8, 2009 1:53 AM EST reply actions  

Owings...

I have zero doubt Owings will make the club out of ST, but I’m not sure he’ll be the 5th starter

If he’s not the 5th starter, that just goes to show you exactly how bad the Dunn trade was. We gave away a franchise player for peanuts, and apparently a long relief man…

by Highlifeman21 on Mar 8, 2009 10:31 AM EDT reply actions  

i disagree

we were never going to re-sign Dunn anyway, and as it happens we were probably not going to get the 2 supplemental draft picks Arizona didnt get either. Owings is way more than a long relief man. he had a 4.30 ERA and a 1.28 WHIP as a rookie in ’07. he was injured last year, which is the only reason the D-Backs made him available. he could be a solid 3rd starter on any other team, but as it happens we are kinda loaded with starting pitchers right now. the only reason he would be a long reliever is because we have better options.

My millions are unconventional!

by Charlie Scrabbles on Mar 8, 2009 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

What's your definition of

“loaded with starting pitchers”?

Owings, Masset, Bailey and whoever else is auditioning for the 5th spot behind our more established question marks named Harang, Arroyo, Volquez & Cueto.

Granted, Harang, Arroyo & Volquez have had varying degrees of success, combined with Cueto having a solid year, but as it stands now our staff and organization is far from loaded with starting pitchers, IMO.

I hope Owings is healthy and is our 4th or 5th SP (really hoping we get rid of Mr. Boater, Bronson Arroyo), and I fully admit he’s an interesting player given that he’s an average hitter (which makes him a stud hitting pitcher) who can pitch a lil’ bit.

What I’m more concerned with is the fact that Homer Bailey has to fight to be the 5th SP. You’d think a guy with all his hype and what not would have proven by now that he’s a TOR SP, ya know?

… that is unless he never was to begin with…

by Highlifeman21 on Mar 9, 2009 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

he's still 22 though

I’m not sure why a guy his age has to prove to be a top of the rotation starter already. Some players take time to develop their raw talent into something they can manage. Maybe Homer is just one of those guys?

"How big IS your magic wand?"

by Slyde on Mar 10, 2009 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Or....

Maybe Homer just isn’t as good as originally advertised?

Does this kid have any plus pitches?

by Highlifeman21 on Mar 10, 2009 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

How to make odds

Some one should probably write Hal a letter explaining to him how odds work: he’s predicted about a little less than 50% chance that someone other than the five guys he lists will get spot number 5. He should have given about 1:2 on Owings and 2:1 on Bailey. (A little less if he actually takes seriously the other candidates he lists.) Owings has MLB experience and has done reasonably well. Bailey probably has some upside, but I think he needs to go back to AAA and prove himself; he might be ready for the call when Cueto’s shoulder explodes.

by philosofool on Mar 8, 2009 2:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Look at Micah's wiki. DB's wanted (as I mentioned) 2 play him at 1B on non-pitching days.

How possible is that ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micah_Owings

Perhaps a a flatbed truck loaded with cadavers will explode in front of a Star Trek convention. One can only dream and hope.

by Madville on Mar 8, 2009 3:49 PM EDT reply actions  

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