Spring Game 29 Thread: Rays at Reds
by Slyde on Mar 29, 2009 12:30 PM EDT
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Just three more games in Sarasota for the Reds, including this one. It's the last time this season they'll face the Rays and it's a rubber match of sorts as the teams are an eeven 2-2 against each other this Spring.
Pitching for the Reds today is Bronson Arroyo, who I believe is throwing to Ramon Hernandez under game conditions for only the second time this Spring and the first time in over a month. It'll be interesting to see how they click, though I don't expect Arroyo to perform all that well. It sounds like he's still trying to wear his arm down so that it's not tired during the season.
The Reds will face Scott Kazmir, a pitcher that Jim Bowden and crew passed up on for Chris Gruler in the 2002 draft. Of course they also passed up on Zack Greinke, Prince Fielder, Jeff Francis, Jeremy Hermida, Kahlil Greene, Cole Hamels, James Loney, Jeremy Guthrie, Jeff Francouer, Joe Blanton, and Matt Cain, all of whom were taken in the first round of that draft. But, they did get Joey Votto in round 2, but only after taking Mark Schramek with a supplementray pick. Don't worry, I won't mention that Brian McCann, Jon Lester, Jonathan Broxton, and Jesse Crain were all taken in the 2nd round as well. There was a ton of talent in that draft and the Reds somehow managed to miss a lot of it despite having the 3rd pick in the draft. Any wonder as to why the Reds had such a dearth of home grown talent for so long?
See the lineups after the jump.
Game time is 1:05pm. The Reds are on the radio today, or you can check them out on Gameday.
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Encarnacion
Anyone else starting to worry about Edwin? You would think by now the Reds would know a shoulder injury if they saw it. At this point, I don’t see how Edwin doesn’t land on the DL for opening day.
I don't think mobile commenting is going to happen that quickly
they are changing their development process though and hoping to roll out changes much more frequently. Hopefully mobile commenting will be a priority soon.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
yeah, it's starting to get beyond being cautious
my guess is that Kepp starts at 3B on OD and EdE sits out the first week before going on the DL.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
I still don't think Kepp has this team made
I tihnk you could see Janish AND Roasles on the club in some scenarios.
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I don't see what scentario where that's possible
Unless Kepp gets traded, and either Gonzalez or Edwin (or both) go on the DL.
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by BK on Mar 29, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Kepp could get cut or traded
In that scenario, it frees up a spot.
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I wouldn't be shocked to see Gonzo left behind
for extended spring training
Any right handed power hitting outfielders out there?
what is going on with EdE?
Is he injured?
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injured shoulder
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
Sunday lineup for sure
For the Rays, anyway.
LIttle Ray Ray gets to start at SS.
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this might be Reds Opening Day lineup
if Gonzo and EdE are hurt
Any right handed power hitting outfielders out there?
The Fay
thinks this game will be banged.
He also thinks it will be Owings over Bailey for the fifth spot in the rotation.
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I think it means the game has had one too many tequila shots
and is being eyed by several frat boys.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
well, he's not being eyed by Hal
...because there's already someone posing as Jacob Brumfield
by Cy Schourek on Mar 29, 2009 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's the word they use in baseball
It means a game being rained out.
If it’s raining, the players wander around the clubhouse asking each other, “Game banged?” Meaning, has it been canceled yet.
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Fay
Fay also says Kent Mercker will be in the radio booth tomorrow and might win a part time gig during the regular season. Could be interesting. If it means less Brantley, then I’m all for it.
Then he has this to say: —Baker hinted that the Reds’ won’t let options affect the final roster. "We’ll try to let options affect it."
C’mon Fay.
How many washed up relievers
can we have in the booth at one time?
We want to build long period of time. I didn’t come here for the shot run.
Mercker would be golden in the booth.
Especially by comparison.
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by PeteyHendrix on Mar 29, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Game will start at 2:00
Guess they really want to retain the gate and popcorn sales.
Radar is clearing out over downtown Sarasota…
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Fay said
that the Rays games have been attracting 7,000 fans. The second Red Sox game I attended got less than 6,000, so that’s a lot for a spring training game. He thinks they’ll try to avoid canceling the game for that reason.
(What happens if a game is rained out in spring training? They usually don’t make them up, so I guess they have to give back the money?)
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i doubt they give back the money
they just give them a rain check for the final two games at ole ed smith.
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by justin007000 on Mar 29, 2009 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions
That might not go over well
Since so many people are there for only the weekend.
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since when has MLB cared about things like that?
maybe if you yell enough they give you a gift card to MLB.com.
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by justin007000 on Mar 29, 2009 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions
A little something to get you through the rain delay
The Cardinals did their Reds season preview today. They see the Reds either competing with the Cubs or sucking again, which appears to be the general consensus.
that about covers all options...
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spot on analysis
might contend, might suck.
four words says it all.
"I've actually never had a drink before, tonight I might try it out. We'll see."
—Dodgers pitcher Clayton Kershaw, on turning 21
Who is this chump on the radio right now?
this is embarrasing
"balls"-Slyde
by The Crushinator on Mar 29, 2009 1:40 PM EDT reply actions
Seg Dennison
At least he’s better than the whiny caller that started the segment. Which isn’t saying much, I know.
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Gruler
I thought Gruler was a great pick at the time. I remember Bench saying he had a better curve and changeup than Tom Seaver, who he was compared to due to build and 95+mph gas.
Its sad he didnt really get a shot due to injury. Then again the same thing happened to Marc Cornell (out of OU) a couple years ago.
"I've actually never had a drink before, tonight I might try it out. We'll see."
—Dodgers pitcher Clayton Kershaw, on turning 21
From listening to the first few innings it would appear that
Marty B has started the whispering campaign against Bruce. Bruce’s K against Kazmir with the bases loaded greatly displeased Marty B.
And so it begins…
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happily
Bruce answers the insane criticism from marty b in his next at-bat when he homers off the nasty lefty kazmir to put the reds up 2-0.
I hope marty b just chills the fuck out and lets bruce grow into who he is going to be, without slagging him to the fanbase.
Not holding my breath, though.
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Marty needs some one to kick around
my guess is it will be BP, EdE, and Bruce this season
Any right handed power hitting outfielders out there?
I wish he would seek professional help to address
his need to always be slagging on someone. Or get some Cialis. Something.
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prolly
BP will be bristled for not hustling on routine groundouts. EE will be the defensive pariah. Bruce has lots of room to improve from last season, especially defensively.
"I've actually never had a drink before, tonight I might try it out. We'll see."
—Dodgers pitcher Clayton Kershaw, on turning 21
I hope it is
getting his work in.
Sounds like bad defense didn’t help that onslaught.
And, we are in dead arm period.
It’s spring, I won’t pre-worry. He is what he is. An ERA around 4.50 – 5.00 and 200 innings. That has value.
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That they are...
not playing so well. Then again, neither is MSU.
We want to build long period of time. I didn’t come here for the shot run.
I was looking at the Reds 2002 Draft
that has to be one of the WORST drafts in their history. 51 players taken only 2 make it to the majors, Denorfia and Votto. Plus there was a lot of talent in ’Reds Country" that went around the league.
Any right handed power hitting outfielders out there?
check the 2001 draft, hombre
"I've actually never had a drink before, tonight I might try it out. We'll see."
—Dodgers pitcher Clayton Kershaw, on turning 21
or the 2000
"I've actually never had a drink before, tonight I might try it out. We'll see."
—Dodgers pitcher Clayton Kershaw, on turning 21
yeah
look at 2003 before you say that. And then, look at 2001.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
sorry, I was slow on the draw.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
shit....or the 2003
"I've actually never had a drink before, tonight I might try it out. We'll see."
—Dodgers pitcher Clayton Kershaw, on turning 21
arroyo's line
10R 3 earned 14H 2k 2bb
fourteen MF hits in 4 innings?!?
"I've actually never had a drink before, tonight I might try it out. We'll see."
—Dodgers pitcher Clayton Kershaw, on turning 21
Ugh
Even Kazmir doubled off him.
He’s an AL pitcher, fer crissakes.
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really makes me think he wasn't pitching strategically
I’m guessing after the game he’ll say something like, “I was only throwing fastballs” or “I was only pitching to a specific location”
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
Tom Izzo > Rick Pitino
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
Yeah, that wasn't very close...
We want to build long period of time. I didn’t come here for the shot run.
Louisville
suddenly stopped rebounding and went ice cold from the floor. The game was fun to watch until MSU pulled away with that one burst in the 2nd half.
Sheldon is on a leave to deal with a family situation
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Today's Transactions
Texas Rangers
Claimed 1B Joe Koshansky on waivers from the Rockies.
Nice pickup by the Rangers.
I love his work for the Kansas City Star
you know he has a book coming out on the Reds, too?
...because there's already someone posing as Jacob Brumfield
The Rangers
have disappointed Josh Hamilton with their offer.
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Arroyo and Hernandez aren't on the same page
if only someone could have predicted that.
"I’m trying to get dialed in with Ramon, which is nearly impossible after only seeing me six innings in whole life," Arroyo said.
Arroyo admits that he’s difficult to catch because he works backward when compared to most pitchers, i.e., his breaking stuff sets up his fastball.
"When someone’s on the same page as you, they know what you want to do," Arroyo said. "For instance, anybody can call a inside fastball. But he doesn’t know if you want to paint it in or open with a cutter. All those little variables. You need someone pulling on the same rope as you.
"Until he sees enough pitches, it’s almost like throwing to a stationary target."
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
paging Dave Ross to Cincinnati
paging Dave Ross to Cincinnati
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by justin007000 on Mar 29, 2009 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions
What about...
Javy Valentin? Fay said he’s hanging around Ed Smith since he was released by the Nats.
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my problem with Javy is he just doesn't bring anything to the table
he is a bad defensive catcher who can’t hit.
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by justin007000 on Mar 29, 2009 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Why not use someone who doesn't suck who's already on the team?
He’s pitched to Hanigan twice through ST so far (and Ramon one other time, and Tatum twice, fwiw). Assuming Hanigan will probably get one start every 5 days, why not pair him up with Arroyo so he can stop bitching about Ramon? And if Arroyo knew he was difficult to catch, why hasn’t he been working with the same catcher all throughout ST to get acclimated? Isn’t that the purpose of Spring Training? Is nobody else on the Reds asking these kind of questions right now after reading that?
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by BK on Mar 29, 2009 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions
The whole gist of Arroyo's bitching
is that the new starting catcher went to the WBC and he couldn’t work with him. He is not unique enough to warrant a personal catcher. Apart from forbidding Hernandez to participate in the WBC, I don’t see what the Reds could have done. I don’t think they are negligent or culpable here.
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by Colin Auscapee on Mar 29, 2009 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't like that "personal catcher" thing
You want to be able to put your best lineup in, no matter who’s pitching.
However, I agree Hernandez should have been working with Arroyo more in spring training. Hernandez has hardly played at all. Is he injured? Or do they just not want to wear him out?
Being a catcher new to the team, he really needs more time with the pitching staff, so he can establish a rapport.
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He played for Venezuela in the WBC
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by BK on Mar 29, 2009 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd forgotten that
if I ever knew it.
I guess that explains it. Venezuela hung in there for awhile, unlike, say, Canada.
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But Ramon should be catching Edinson and Cueto
May as well align his off days with Arroyo’s starts. Anyways, Hannigan and Hernandez are close enough offensively that you’re not really sacrificing your best lineup in starting one over the other.
RACIST!
i recall reading Edinson liked throwing to Hanigan and his catcher ERA is low and whatnot. Edinson at least is proficient in English. Why does it matter?
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by Colin Auscapee on Mar 29, 2009 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I disagree
I think that the amount of trust in that relationship can really change how a pitcher pitches. If there’s some bs between the two, and the catcher walks to the mound after a walk…yikes. That won’t end well.
If Hanigan and Arroyo get along, great. There are limits, of course — we don’t want Paul Bako back, but between the two of them, let the pitchers figure out who they like.
...because there's already someone posing as Jacob Brumfield
I don't think there's necessarily any bs involved
It’s just a matter having the time to get to know each other.
And if Hernandez really is bad with pitchers, then it’s probably better to pair him with a veteran like Arroyo.
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Or perhaps it's better to pair him with whomever reseults in the most effective battery in actual games.
I agree that there might not be any bs, but I don’t care if Bronson is comfy, or if he feels like bitchin’. Heck, I wonder if ge might pitch better while he’s battling against Ramon a bit re: pitch selection. He might not, cuz he can be a bit candid (read: candy ass complainer). But the proof is in the pudding. Let’s see if these two jokers adapt.
And honestly, if Bronson really cared that much about battery co-operation, why hasn’t he learned Spanish by now? I accept no excuse for middle infielders, pitchers, catchers, coaches, managers, agents or scouts to not be at least minimally bilingual at this point given the composition of pro ballplayers.
/falling backwards off soapbox
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by PeteyHendrix on Mar 30, 2009 2:37 AM EDT up reply actions
He doesn't speak Spanish?
With a name like “Arroyo,” I thought he did.
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Bronson is from the Keys
and his name comes from his Cuban grandfather, but I think that is the only Hispanic part of his background.
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by justin007000 on Mar 30, 2009 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Too bad Cuba didn't use him in the WBC
That would have been pretty sweet to see.
by Brendanukkah on Mar 30, 2009 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions
foreign languages can be hard for some people
i have made multiple attempts to learn Spanish with little results. But I have some skills in German.
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by justin007000 on Mar 30, 2009 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions
funny
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by justin007000 on Mar 30, 2009 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, it seems like Bronson thinks that he's just saying
what everyone was thinking anyway. (For example, with Dunn).
But it seems like he’s actually just whining about things everyone else just deals with.
Everybody's a jerk. You. Me. This jerk.
someone posted this as a comment to Fay's post
Essentially, what we have here, is just another pitcher telling us how bad Hernandez is. Now we have the whole Orioles staff, and Arroyo in agreement.
What’s up with that?
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UNC-Oklahoma
Oklahoma trying to make a charge here in with 4:00 to go in the game. But the refs still have their mouths fixated on Tyler Hansborough’s junk.
He has six points, six rebounds...
and two traveling calls, so I’m not sure he’s really getting all the calls here.
We want to build long period of time. I didn’t come here for the shot run.
6 points and 6 rebounds doesn't mean he's getting all the calls
That has more to do with how good or bad he is.
I'm just saying that I'm not sure what calls he could be getting
given how mediocre his results were.
We want to build long period of time. I didn’t come here for the shot run.
Really?
A lot of no-calls on Hansborough, and a lot of quick whistles on Oklahoma. This really isn’t anything new, as it’s been the trend with him for a couple of years.
I'm not arguing that he's gotten quite a few calls...
but you picked just about the crappiest game to hold up as an example of that.
This one seemed pretty tightly called, with lots of light fouls on both sides. The UNC advantage was that they had multiple big guys to throw at OU, but all of them racked up fouls. They were just able to rotate them through more than Oklahoma could.
We want to build long period of time. I didn’t come here for the shot run.
er, not arguing that he hasn't gotten calls.
We want to build long period of time. I didn’t come here for the shot run.
Chris Dickerson
has been tapped by USA Today to record the spring training experience on video. There’s a new clip posted. He takes a Flip camcorder to the beach.
The earlier videos can be found here (on the sidebar).
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BubbaFan didn't read Chris Dickerson's Red Report
apparently
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
No, I guess I didn't
It must have gone up while I was on the road.
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no excuses
all members are expected to be caught up with their reading before returning from vacation. It’s in the bylaws.
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I had a hell of a time getting that report to open
I tried it on a couple different computers before it would load anything past the video. I’m guessing the trick is to use Firefox, but us IE luddites still like to read about Dickerson too.
by Brendanukkah on Mar 30, 2009 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions
i even use firefox
but the red squiggly lines point out my miss spellings .
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by justin007000 on Mar 30, 2009 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
cumb'd
only you could misspell “misspell”.
My millions are unconventional!
by Charlie Scrabbles on Mar 30, 2009 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
er
that was on purpose to show….
to show…
to show the irony of depending on firefox.
yeah that is it.
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by justin007000 on Mar 30, 2009 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
It opens in Firefox
But none of the videos or other fancy graphics show Just empty boxes.
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Yeah, there's something up with the USA Today video
Everything else shows up fine for me
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I have no problems with it
but then, I’m awesome.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
If by "awesome", you mean "has the necessary plugins to display the media on this page"
then you’re a nerd
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