Spring Game 25 Thread: Red Sox at Reds
by Slyde on Mar 25, 2009 12:30 PM EDT
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Not only am I tired of the Reds playing games that don't mean anything, but I'm tired of them playing them against the same teams all of the time. At least this time the Red Sox brought a decent lineup to beat up on the Reds.
Johnny Cueto toes the rubber today. His control has been outstanding this Spring with just 3 walks in 19.2 innings total (including WBC innings). He's also yet to allow a home runs in a Reds game (not sure about his scrimmage game with the D.R.). These two facts are very exciting. I hope it's a sign of what's to come this season for Cueto. This pitching staff has me aroused.
Clay Buchholz takes the mound for the Red Sox. He's like Johnny Cueto but better because he plays for the Red Sox and he's thrown a no-hitter.
See the lineups after the jump.
Game time is 1:05pm. Only two more games that aren't on the radio and then after that they'll be on for the rest of the year! Gameday, if you please.
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Fay was talking about Bill James new book this morning. It mentioned Harang and Arroyo’s quality starts last year. Here’s my question.
If a pitcher pitches 6 shutout innings to qualify for a quality start, does he lose the quality start if he gives up 4 runs in say the 7th or 9th innings? Just something I’ve wondered about for a while.
Yep
Kind of a dumb rule. Regardless of innings pitched, if he gives up more than 3 ER it can’t be a quality start.
quality starts are an entry point
and should rarely be used for any sort of analysis. Personally, I think giving up 4 runs in 8 IP is a much better outing than 3 runs in 6 IP despite both having the same ERA. Oddly enough, the 6 IP would be credited with a quality start.
"How big IS your magic wand?"
I have never
really liked the stat. I see the basic point of it. But if you lose 1-0 w/9 innings pitched one day and win 10-8 w/6IP the next, Which is really the better “quality” start?
by fourrunhomer on Mar 25, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd say the idea behind a quality start is for guys like Dusty
He knows he only needs to get 4 Rs so he shoots for just that. Rather than maximize his chances of scoring as many Rs as possible in every inning, he uses every trick in the book to scrape out those 4 Rs and then his job is done.
It takes the variability out of the game as far as he’s concerned.
Reds record while I'm in attendance: 15-0 (lifetime)
Can someone score me some tickets? :)
Ignore
You should ignore WHIP and K/9 too. They lie.
WHIP involves hits, which involves defense. Variables abound can cause crazy fluxuations.
K/9 isn’t as accurate as it could be. Example -
Player A – 186K’s in 186 innings with 45 walks and faced 868 batters on the season.
Player B – 186K’s in 186 innings with 90 walks and faced 935 batters on the season.
They have the same K/9, but player A struck out 21.4% of the batters he faced, while player B struck out just 19.9% of the batters he faced.
its all a rich tapestry
My millions are unconventional!
by Charlie Scrabbles on Mar 25, 2009 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
i think k/9
and bb/9 and k/bb are a good way to measure pitchers, if you use all of them.
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions!"- Dr. Stephen T. Colbert DFA.
by justin007000 on Mar 25, 2009 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Cueto is pitching well?
My millions are unconventional!
by Charlie Scrabbles on Mar 25, 2009 1:09 PM EDT reply actions
Bay K
Lil Pedroia 1B
Drew GIDP
My millions are unconventional!
by Charlie Scrabbles on Mar 25, 2009 1:10 PM EDT reply actions
You just snuck that in there :p
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sloooooow day at work
i cant believe they pay me for this
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by Charlie Scrabbles on Mar 25, 2009 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
no way
i took my bonus and walked.
My millions are unconventional!
by Charlie Scrabbles on Mar 25, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Top of the first
Bay K
Pedroia 1B
Drew GIDP
a quick and scoreless top half
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Can someone score me some tickets? :)
Overall, I don't dislike
Dusty as much as many around here, but what is with his constant need to split up the lefthanded bats in the 3 and 4 spots in the batting order? I mean Rosales hitting cleanup, WTF? I think the Yankees did alright with Ruth and Gehrig batting 3rd and 4th and they were both LHB’s.
"I'm standing at the plate thinking, Where are my hands? Where's this, where's that? Before I know it, the pitch is there and I'm completely out of rhythm." -
-- Adam Dunn
by Joe Nolan's Glasses on Mar 25, 2009 1:15 PM EDT reply actions
im willing to wager that Votto and Bruce
will hit back-to-back in the lineup on less than 10 occasions this season.
My millions are unconventional!
by Charlie Scrabbles on Mar 25, 2009 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Unless Dusty gets a 10 game suspension
"Whether you like it or not, history is on our side. We will bury you!"
by "Red" Moskau on Mar 25, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It's just redonkulous!
"I'm standing at the plate thinking, Where are my hands? Where's this, where's that? Before I know it, the pitch is there and I'm completely out of rhythm." -
-- Adam Dunn
by Joe Nolan's Glasses on Mar 25, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
booooo
I can’t believe they used the word “redonkulous” to make Jason Segal into a cool and hip character. For as much as I chuckled during I Love You, Man, there were some real cringe-worthy lines.
...because there's already someone posing as Jacob Brumfield
yeah a few
but overall i thought it was surprisingly funny. i wasnt expecting much, but then i really enjoyed it. Andy Samberg’s career continues to baffle me though. Jimmy Fallon Jr.
My millions are unconventional!
by Charlie Scrabbles on Mar 25, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
i did like his song about college reggae tools
He either did some good research or used to be a douche. I just like anyone who promotes reggae
"balls"-Slyde
by The Crushinator on Mar 25, 2009 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Which one, Samberg or Fallon?
"Sometimes I listen for Griffey’s infectious laugh or Dunn’s humor and wit. But they’re gone." - Dusty
by BK on Mar 25, 2009 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Samberg
its on hulu.com
its kinda funny
"balls"-Slyde
by The Crushinator on Mar 26, 2009 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Taveras 1B, then picked off
Keppy GO
Votto FO
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by Charlie Scrabbles on Mar 25, 2009 1:18 PM EDT reply actions
alright I concede
I’ve got this work thing anyways. :)
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Bottom of 1
Taveras 1B
Taveras HAVOC!!!!!! (Picked off 1st)
Kepp GO
Votto FO
Nothing yet after 1
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Can someone score me some tickets? :)
sorry pal
i scooped you again! you can take it from here.
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by Charlie Scrabbles on Mar 25, 2009 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey! I gave up first! :p
at least let me have one victory today. ;)
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Seriously though
I may be in and out today so I’ll post when available
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yeah im in the same boat
i’d love to sit here and update everything as it comes in, but i actually have a few things to do. just update it if you dont see it, and i’ll do the same, cool?
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by Charlie Scrabbles on Mar 25, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Top of 2
Youk 1B
Lowell GIDP
Varitek FO
Still no score
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Lots of double plays
Go middle infield defense, go!
by Brendanukkah on Mar 25, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Bottom of the 2nd. Excitement abounds...
Rosales FO
Bruce FO
Hernandez GO
Minimum faced in a scoreless game.
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... and in the 3rd!
Ambres K
Diaz FO
Buchholz BGO
still 0-0
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this looks like one hell of a pitchers duel
and does anyone else think “Clay Buttholes” when they see his name?
My millions are unconventional!
by Charlie Scrabbles on Mar 25, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
rec'd
for making me laugh all over again
My millions are unconventional!
by Charlie Scrabbles on Mar 25, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
HAVOC!!!! in the 3rd
Dickerson BGO
Janish BGO
Cueto just GO
Exciting! … yet still scoreless after 3
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Cueto wheelin and dealin
Bay backwards K
Pedroia FO
Drew FO
Can we get some action in this 0-0 game?
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i love pitchers duels
but only when i can see them. they are boring as hell on gameday.
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by Charlie Scrabbles on Mar 25, 2009 1:52 PM EDT reply actions
Pretty boring to report too
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another 3 up, 3 down. yawn.
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by Charlie Scrabbles on Mar 25, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
wow...
Taveras K
Kepp GO
Votto GO
That’s a whole lot of outs through 4 …
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Can someone score me some tickets? :)
If anyone could make it happen...
but seriously, more outs than anything else.
Every hit has been erased immediately by either PO or DP…
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At least Cueto is looking great (top of 5)
Youk FO
Lowell GO
Varitek K
Nothing to see here
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The Reds break through... with one additional batted faced in the 5th!
Rosales GO
Bruce 1B
Hernandez GO
Dickerson FO
goose eggs galore through 5
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base hit!!
Bruuuuuuce!
My millions are unconventional!
by Charlie Scrabbles on Mar 25, 2009 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
this is like watching soft porn
not a lot of whizbang action, but still making me tingly.
"How big IS your magic wand?"
How YOU doin'?
I miss the old days of the internet when men were men, hot girls were middle aged men, and hot underage girls were FBI agents.....
You sound
like you need to relieve some pressure.
First, the pitching STAFF aroused you.
Now, this game is making you tingly.
What’s next?
by fourrunhomer on Mar 25, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Mrs. Slyde heaves an annoyed sigh
and gives him a hand J under the blankets this evening. he humbly thanks her afterward.
My millions are unconventional!
by Charlie Scrabbles on Mar 25, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
leave me and my hands out of this, thankyouverymuch
I miss the old days of the internet when men were men, hot girls were middle aged men, and hot underage girls were FBI agents.....
God being married sounds awesome...
"balls"-Slyde
by The Crushinator on Mar 25, 2009 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions
yes indeed
in my house, we call those “birthday presents”.
My millions are unconventional!
by Charlie Scrabbles on Mar 25, 2009 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions
lol In my house those are called "the only way to get back in the apartment"
aah but I kiid I kiiid.
"balls"-Slyde
by The Crushinator on Mar 26, 2009 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions
So, you're basically saying that you have more range than Jeff Keppinger?
"Sometimes I listen for Griffey’s infectious laugh or Dunn’s humor and wit. But they’re gone." - Dusty
by BK on Mar 25, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Cueto is boring ...
Ambres GO
Diaz K
Buchholz PO
Both ballclubs blank before the bottom (of the 6th)
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...but he didn't throw a no-hitter. Not good enough.
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Keppinger flat out drives in the first run of the game with a single
1-0 Reds
"How big IS your magic wand?"
Reds score in the 6th ...
but Gameday refuses to update
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I was going to try and scoop you
But Gameday has foiled me. Foiled me for the last time!
by Brendanukkah on Mar 25, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
..and the 6th is finally over
Janish reaches on a SS E
Janish to 3rd on a PO E
Gomes PH K
Taveras Foul Out
Kepp RBI 1B! (who would believe it?)
Kepp to 3rd on a PO E
Votto K
HAVOC!!!! gives the Reds the lead 1-0
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Cueto fucks 'em up
6 innings, 2 hits, 5 Ks, no BBs. absolutely boner-inducing.
My millions are unconventional!
by Charlie Scrabbles on Mar 25, 2009 2:39 PM EDT reply actions
Masset pitching now
McDonald (in for Taveras)
Jones (in for Votto)
Nix (in for Bruce)
Hanigan (in for Hernandez)
Hopper (in for Dickerson)
Valaika (in for Janish)
Bay K
Pedroia GO
Drew GO
The Reds pitching monster continues it’s fearsome rampage. Reds 1-0
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Papelbon in for Buchholz... submitted without comment
Bolivar PH GO
Nix K
Hanigan 1B
Hopper FO
Reds > Reds Sox: 1-0
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Boners and Buccholz
They’re together again!
by Brendanukkah on Mar 25, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
no updates yet
the Sox must be hitting Masset pretty well this inning.
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by Charlie Scrabbles on Mar 25, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
We've been /fay'd
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methinks that maybe he meant bottom of the 8th
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
A new format?
If the reds are up 1-0 at home, how are they batting in the bottom of the 9th?
Are we getting wbc ideas?
Well, I'm SHOCKED.
"Sometimes I listen for Griffey’s infectious laugh or Dunn’s humor and wit. But they’re gone." - Dusty
by BK on Mar 25, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
That would make them MLB average
I miss the old days of the internet when men were men, hot girls were middle aged men, and hot underage girls were FBI agents.....
Masset still pitching in the 8th
Castillo (in for Kepp)
Bolivar (at 3rd)
Youk PO
Lowell FO
Varitek GO
Don’t know why that took so long… Reds 1-0
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wait...Jason Bay leading off?
He’s too slow to lead off. THAT’s why the Sox are being shut out. duh.
...because there's already someone posing as Jacob Brumfield
Okajima pitching now
Valaika 1B (the dude can hit!)
McDonald sac bunt (Valaika to 2nd)
Heisey PH PO
Castillo GO
Headed to the 9th still up 1-0!
Reds record while I'm in attendance: 15-0 (lifetime)
Can someone score me some tickets? :)
Bray pitching the 9th
Ambres BB
Danielson PH 1B (Ambres to 3rd)
Bailey BB (sacks full)
Reza 2B (Ambres and Danielson score, Bailey to 3rd)
…scoreless streak ends at 26 innings
Place PH FIDP (Bailey out at home)
Boston up 2-1 …
Reds record while I'm in attendance: 15-0 (lifetime)
Can someone score me some tickets? :)
Man
Bray’s arm must be really hurting. Or his leg. Or his pinky (finger or toe it doesn’t matter).
by fourrunhomer on Mar 25, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Paging DR Herrera
DR Herrera, lefty needed in the bullpen STAT
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
Lefty Smurf to the rescue!
Does anyone else think he actually comes in around 5’ 4"?
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by PeteyHendrix on Mar 25, 2009 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Having seen him enter a game at GABP
I agree, he is itty bitty.
I miss the old days of the internet when men were men, hot girls were middle aged men, and hot underage girls were FBI agents.....
I think it's a disservice to shorties...
…for generations of baseball players to routinely exaggerate their height when they are under 6’.
Bip Roberts and Bret Boone, I’m looking at you.
It perpetuates a myth that “height challenged” folks can’t be successful in the grand game. If these players (and PR dudes) would just be honest, fewer kids would be discouraged, and more college coaches would give them a shot. And with OBP being our favorite foothold, I’d wager that the “height challenged” position players would routinely have a higher OBP than their similarly-talented counterparts who stand a few inches taller. Granted, the taller the fellows, the more LIKELY they are to be able to generate a higher SLG percentage. But OBP>SLG. And after all, Hack Wilson still holds the single season RBI record at 190. And he was only 5’6".
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by PeteyHendrix on Mar 27, 2009 6:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Um...
He had 191 RBI. Let’s not give him short shrift.
[cue Daedalus’s groan button]
by Brendanukkah on Mar 27, 2009 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Should we demand that the beat writers come clean instead of participating in this charade of lies?
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by PeteyHendrix on Mar 27, 2009 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Bottom 9...
Jones GO
Bolivar 1B
Nix FO
Bolivar HAVOC!!!!!!…. ends the game (CS at 2nd)
Well that was a lousy way to lose … 2-1 Boston
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losing the game on a CS?
How often is that going to happen this year?
...because there's already someone posing as Jacob Brumfield
For as "by the book" as Dusty manages the game ...
He picks the dumbest times to go against it.
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I'm not sure that's against the book
2 outs, trying to get a runner into scoring position down by one run. I think that’s strict by the book strategy. Which is probably why the Red Sox saw it coming.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
You're also not supposed to make the last out at 2nd...
Of course, that’s about as basic as it comes… not making an out I mean.
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you're not supposed to make the last out at 3rd
but when you are losing, it pretty much sucks to make the last out of the game anywhere.
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
Wait a minute...
When you’re winning, you don’t really get to make the last out, right? Or at least, if you do make it, you don’t know until after you win that it was the last out.
We want to build long period of time. I didn’t come here for the shot run.
Vegas sets the over/under at 4.5
How you betting?
I miss the old days of the internet when men were men, hot girls were middle aged men, and hot underage girls were FBI agents.....
Under, but barely
"Sometimes I listen for Griffey’s infectious laugh or Dunn’s humor and wit. But they’re gone." - Dusty
by BK on Mar 25, 2009 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Didn't Babe Ruth end a World Series with an ill-advised CS?
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by PeteyHendrix on Mar 25, 2009 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions
1926 World Series
It’s the only time a World Series ended on a caught stealing. Strangely enough, Ruth had 123 career steals, including 10 steals of home! 51% success ratio, though. What a bum! Terrible ballplayer.
by Brendanukkah on Mar 25, 2009 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions
That sucked big, green warty pickles
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by BubbaFan on Mar 25, 2009 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Game. Set. Match.
I miss the old days of the internet when men were men, hot girls were middle aged men, and hot underage girls were FBI agents.....
The Fay on Bray
He thinks the Reds may send Bray to Louisville and keep Danny Ray instead.
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He might get sent to Triple A.
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by PeteyHendrix on Mar 25, 2009 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions
That'd be the day...
Go for it… without delay!
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Can someone score me some tickets? :)
I hope that he does pitch OK.
Lest our bullpen be in disarray.
Will Masset be D.F.A.?
Hard to know…too early to say.
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by PeteyHendrix on Mar 25, 2009 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
They just talked about the game on SportsCenter
They talked about Buchholz having a good outing, and showed Papelbon pitching. They showed the game-winning hit for the Sox, and that was the end of the highlight. Apparently Johnny Cueto’s great outing doesn’t matter.
"Sometimes I listen for Griffey’s infectious laugh or Dunn’s humor and wit. But they’re gone." - Dusty
Of course it doesn't matter.
He doesn’t pitch in a top 5 market, and it’s easier to be a lazy reporter than a good one.
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by PeteyHendrix on Mar 25, 2009 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Though it may seem frustrating,
look at the flip side of the coin. If SportsCenter gave anything more than a passing mention to the Royals, you would feel that they were using your viewing time injudiciously. You have to win; you have to make them say your name.
Until the Reds are contending late in the season, I really don’t have an issue with them getting short shrift in the national media.
"I usually shoot it pretty straight."- a boating enthusiast
by Colin Auscapee on Mar 25, 2009 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually...
If SportsCenter gave anything more than a passing mention to the Royals, you would feel that they were using your viewing time injudiciously.
If they had a phenomenal young pitcher who was throwing flat-out nasty stuff, and has all-star potential THIS YEAR, then I think I’d like to know who he was before the Royals traded him to the Yankees in late June.
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by PeteyHendrix on Mar 25, 2009 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions
you mean like Zack Greinke?
"It seems like we're not hitting because we're not getting hits." - Dusty being Dusty
Who?
I don’t watch SportsCenter.
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by PeteyHendrix on Mar 25, 2009 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions
highlights?
Does that mean this game was on TV?
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