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Brief Team History:

After winning 5 world championships in New York (1885-1957) the Giants have not won a World Series since moving to San Francisco.  They lost to a stacked A's team and an earthquake in 1989.  The Reds beat an even better A's team in 1990 but had the advantage of not having to deal with natural disasters.  In 2002, the Giants should have won but the Rally Monkey thwarted their plans.   That series was also memorable because Dusty's 3 ½ year old son served as a bat boy...and was almost destroyed.   The Giants have had some great players through the years including Bonds, Will Clark, Mel Ott, Willie Mays, Orlando Cepeda, Willie McCovey,and  Juan Marichal.  I think at least 75% of those players were on steroids though.          

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sMarty began broadcasting for the Reds in 1974.  He replaced Al Michaels who left to work for the Giants.  Al Michaels is a Traitor!!!!!!! 

 

2008 Recap:

  • 72-90 (.444)
  • Scored 640 Runs, Allowed 759 Runs, Pythagorean W-L 68-94
  • 29th ranked offense w/ respect to runs scored, 28th in OPS (.703)                              
  • Pitchers 2nd in league in K/9 (7.74); 16th best ERA (4.38)
  • Payroll $76,594,500
  • Manager: Bruce Bochy; General Manager: Brian Sabean

2009 Projected W-L:

The 2009 Team in Brief:  Pitching is good.  Offense is bad.

2009 Projected Starting Lineup

  1. Randy Winn RF (.281/.341/.412 CHONE). Winn is definitely one of the team's top hitters (projected +2.9 wins leads offense). Unfortunately, that has more to do with the team's underwhelming offense than with Winn's abilities. He's 34 years old but has some speed left, swiping 25 bags last year. Consistent, durable, and boring are other words that describe Winn.
  2. Edgar Renteria SS (.283/.345/.408 CHONE). Renteria signed a 2 year, $18.5 million contract with the Giants this past offseason. The Giants are hoping the NL treats Renteria like it has in the past. He was really good for the Cardinals for a few years, including a .874 OPS in 2003). Renteria had a disappointing season with the Tigers last year (.699 OPS). I think he looks like an alien.
  3. Pablo Sandoval 3B (.283/.315/.426 CHONE). Sandoval is creating a buzz in San Francisco. He moved from A+ all the way to the show last year as a 21 year old. Sandoval does not take a lot of pitches; instead, he employs a swing really hard at everything approach. More about him below.
  4. Bengie Molina C (.276/.314/.435 CHONE). Molina, now 34, led the team in HR (16) and RBI (95) last year. He is known for being an extremely slow runner. He has to be the most boring cleanup hitter in baseball.
  5. Fred Lewis LF (.262/.346/.404 CHONE). Lewis, 28, has played well in 10 games against the Reds (1.089 OPS). He has some speeding, stealing 21 bases last year. His season was cut short because of bunion surgery.
  6. Aaron Rowand CF (.273/.338/.421 CHONE). Rowand signed a 5 year/$60 million deal with the Giants during the winter of 2007. His numbers slipped last year and he is now 31 years old. Known for his defense, he disappointed somewhat last year (-7.8 UZR). GM Brian Sabean blew this one.
  7. Travis Ishikawa 1B (.248/.322/.432 CHONE). According to John Sickels, this guy is the 8th best prospect in the system (C+). He had a good 95 bat stint with the Giants last year (.768 OPS). His upside is considered limited.
  8. Emmanuel Burriss 2B (.270/.331/.347 CHONE). At the age of 22, Burriss stole 51 bases in A ball. Last year was Burriss's rookie season, and the then 23 year old played fairly well in 77 games(.686 OPS, 13 SB, 23:24 BB/K). He should be the team's starting second baseman this year.
  • Potential Bench:  Nate Schierholtz, Rich Aurilia (Former Red and a Traitor!!!!!!), Euginio Velez, Juan Uribe, Steve Holm, Kevin Frandsen, Andres Torres, John Bowker, and Jesus Guzman.

 

2009 Projected Rotation:

  1. Tim Lincecum (3.21 ERA/1.23 WHIP CHONE). Has never won against the Reds. Until then, he will not get my respect. I guess others are more easily impressed though, as evidenced by Lincecum's Cy Young award. He led MLB with 265 K's last year. Lincecum also gives up his fair share of walks, which when combined with the K's and Bruce Bochy, leads to some high pitch counts. Lincecum threw the 5th most pitches in baseball last year. He will never get hurt though because he is a robot.
  2. Randy Johnson (3.96 ERA/1.27 WHIP CHONE). Johnson has a 1.51 ERA against the Reds, his lowest ERA against any other MLB team. Johnson is now 45, but still has the skills (173 K/184 IP). He needs 5 more wins to reach the 300 club. I think Sabean made a nice move with the 1 year/$8 million contract.
  3. Matt Cain (3.76 ERA/1.32 WHIP CHONE). This 24 year old already has 3 full major league seasons under his belt. His W-L records in 2007 and 2008 were 7-16 and 8-14, respectively, despite an ERA's of 3.65 in 2007 and 3.76 in 2008. Clearly, this kid doesn't know how to win and should not be anywhere near a major league ball club. Cain threw the 7th most pitches in baseball last year.
  4. Barry Zito (4.70 ERA/1.55 WHIP CHONE). Zito has a 10.03 ERA in 5 games against Reds, the highest ERA he has against any team. Too bad he wasn't signed by an NL Central team. Zito is in his 3rd year of a 7 year/$126 million contract. According to Fangraphs, Zito's fastball averaged 84.9 mph last year. Signing Zito definitely wasn't one of Sabean's best moves.
  5. Jonathan Sanchez (4.05 ERA/1.39 WHIP CHONE). This 26 year old lefthander didn't pitch all that well last year (5.01 ERA) but showed a lot of promise (157 K's in 158 IP). Many consider Sanchez to be an injury risk because prior to last year, he had not pitched more than 70 innings in any major league season. In 2 lifetime games (both starts) against the Reds, Sanchez is 2-0 with a 1.32 ERA and 17 K's in 13.2 IP.

2009 Projected/Potential Bullpen:

  • Closer: Brian Wilson (3.88 ERA/1.38 WHIP CHONE). He saved 41 games last year for a team that only won 72 games. His 2008 ERA was 4.62 while his WHIP was 1.44. CHONE obviously predicts some improvement in those numbers but I doubt he saves as many games. I was a big fan of his until "Kokomo."
  • Other potential bullpen arms: Jeremy Affeldt (former Red and a Traitor!!!!), Bob Howry, Sergio Romo, Jack Taschner, Alex Hinshaw, Keiichi Yabu, Noah Lowry, Billy Sadler, Merkin Valdez, Ramon Loiritz, Luis Perdomo, Justin Miller, Francis Beltran, Brandon Medders, Osiris Matos, and Ronnie Ray.
  • The Giants bullpens should be improved after the signings of Affeldt (2 years/$8 million) and Bob Howry (1 year/$2.75 million).

Top Prospects

The Giants have a top 10 farm system.  According to John Sickels, the following players are the tops:

  1. Madison Bumgarner. Bumgarner is a 6'3" LHP pitcher who struck out 164 in 141.2 innings in Low A last year. He did not turn 19 until August of 2008. Many consider Bumgarner to be one of the top 10 prospects in the game.
  2. Buster Posey. Posey was the 5th overall pick in last year's draft. This catching prospect is expected to advance quickly and should be Molina's replacement in 2010. He won the Golden Spikes award last year.
  3. Tim Alderson. The RHP is just 20 years old. He was a 1st round draft pick in 2006. He struck out 124 batters over 145.1 innings last year in A+.
  4. Angel Villalona. Played in low A as a 17 year old for most of 2008. He had a .747 OPS last year, which is impressive considering his age. Most are high on his potential but don't know if he will ever reach it.
  5. Conor Gillaspie. He is a 21 year old, left handed hitting, third basemen. He started last year in Rookie ball but ended up with 5 at bats in the show. He is described as being polished.

Questions that only Giants fans can answer (thanks Grant at McCovey Chronicles):

1.  What are the team's biggest strengths and weaknesses?

You heard it here first: The Giants' biggest strength is starting pitching, and their biggest weakness is their offense. Use that little piece of inside information for your fantasy drafts.


 
2.  Which players have the potential to breakout this year?  Which players do you think might decline?

As unstainable as Pablo Sandoval's low-walk/high-rope ratio seems, he's a candidate to go nutty on the league. He hit in A-ball, he hit in AA-ball, he hit in the majors, he hit in winter leagues, and he's hitting this spring. Until he stops, I'll tell my brain to hold off on worrying.


 
3.  The Giants should contend...how bad are you going to freak out when Sabean trades away Bumgarner, Alderson, and Villalona(i.e., Sabean Special II)? 

I'm not sure that it would be automatically awful to trade young pitching for hitting. If Bumgarner and Alderson both pitch well this year, Lincecum, Cain, and Sanchez pitch well, and the Giants are leading the division in July, Sabean should look to trade young pitching for a hitter who's a couple of years from free agency. The system shouldn't be gutted for Garrett Anderson, but if there's a chance to have Prince Fielder or Dan Uggla around until 2011, there's no way the Giants should just sit back, cross their arms, and say, "rebuilding!"

But as to something like a Villalona, Bumgarner, and Alderson for Matt Holliday deal...yeah, the only way I come down from that freakout is if a World Series flag is flying over AT&T Field. It's a moot point, I'm thinking, because I'm skeptical about the Giants' ability to contend this season.


 
4.  Are you worried about Lincecum's health due to his age, size, and his stupid ass pitch counts from last year?  I thought Dusty Baker managed the Reds in 2008.

I'm not too worried. Lincecum threw the 5th-most pitches in baseball, and everyone freaked out over his 138-pitch outing, but what's crazy is that was the only start by anyone in either league with more than 133 pitches. Ten years ago, a pitcher went over 133 pitches in a start 85 times. Things have changed, for sure. Lincecum's 2009 would have ranked 19th in Pitcher Abuse Points in 1999; his stress score would have ranked 26th. He led the majors in both categories last year.

The funny part about all that is that I'm not sure that pitchers are any healthier now. I worry about Lincecum because he's a pitcher, not because he's short or because Bochy was slagging his arm last year. I would have handled him differently, for sure, but I'm pretty sure that he wasn't abused to a pitchforks-and-torches level.


 
5.  What do you think about Zito?  Do you have any hope?  How bad does he get booed at the stadium?

I try not to think about Zito. Hope? Hope is a dangerous thing. Hope can drive a man insane....

Like Jamie Moyer and Tom Glavine, Zito doesn't need to throw much harder than 86 to get outs. The curve is still good, and his change is solid when it's on. Unlike Moyer and Glavine, Zito doesn't know where the ball is going half of the time. If he finds the magic Jeff Nelson/Randy Johnson suddenly-I-have-better-control-talisman, he'll be fine. There's about a 2% chance of that happening, though. 

He doesn't get booed that bad, to be honest. If this continues for another couple of years, it isn't going to be pretty, but almost everyone wants the guy to succeed.


6.  How awesome is it going to be to see almost 7 foot tall Randy Johnson winning his 300th game with "Giants" spelled out across his chest?  Do you think the Giants should sign more really tall players?

I'm definitely in favor of tall players, especially if they stand next to Lincecum at every opportunity. I don't really care about #300, to be honest. I've thought about it, like, twice since the signing. It's a Wade Boggs/Devil Rays kind of association that's just going to get weirder as time goes on.  I love the signing, though. He's looked good this spring. Well, his pitching has, at least.

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Johnson just shouldnt win #300 in a SF jersey, that is weird. He should have, obviously, signed with Seattle and gotten a double wide locker to complement Junya. “The Boys Are Back in Town” could have been played all summer long on the PA at the old ball orchard.

"Hey! Look at the kid in the sombrero!"

by obc2 on Mar 24, 2009 9:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Now there's....

and interesting thought

It’d be like The Who (Daltrey and Townshend, the rest are dead, right?) playing 162 shows in 2009, or in the case of The Big Unit & Junior Griffey, probably 120 shows (combined between the 2)

by Highlifeman21 on Mar 24, 2009 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think so

He’ll probably get the majority of playing time. Aurilia will play there too.

by Snake the Jake on Mar 24, 2009 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

(Giants fan popping in here)

Ishikawa is indeed starting the season at first. A lot of people question his ability to hit on the Major League level, or Sandoval’s ability to stick at third base, so there’s a chance Sandoval could take over 1B at some point.

Long-term, everyone hopes Angel Villalona can be the best Giants first baseman since Will Clark. That’s at least a few years away, though, and there’s no other compelling first baseman in the system.

Never has a poster been more correct in the history of the internet. Ever! - ResDog on yours truly

by jcb9 on Mar 25, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, and Josh Phelps is starting the season in Fresno. He could see some time in the majors if Ishikawa falters or gets hurt.

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by jcb9 on Mar 25, 2009 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So that's where Josh Phelps is these days

The Yankees took him via Rule 5 a couple of years ago. He ended up booting Andy Phillips from the roster. They liked Phelps’ stick, but his glove was so horrible they ended up cutting him in June.

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by BubbaFan on Mar 25, 2009 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I forgot the Giants signed our sloppy 2nds

Jeremy Affeldt, #41 in your program, #1 in our hearts

by Highlifeman21 on Mar 24, 2009 10:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The person who went 5/60 for Rowand, 7/120 for Zito

and traded Bonser, Liriano, and Nathan for a year of Pierzynski is still employed? I seriously do not get it.

And did Emmanuel Buriss’s parents have a stutter or something?

...because there's already someone posing as Jacob Brumfield

by Cy Schourek on Mar 24, 2009 11:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

good job snake

another one of these things well-done. I especially like your idea of the Giants signing taller players. Jon Rauch perhaps?

What do you mean, "blank slate"?

by boobs on Mar 25, 2009 12:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Giants

Until the ascendancy of the Yankees in the 1920’s, the Giants were the toast of NYC. Strange they haven’t won a WS in SF. They came real close in 1962 when they beat the Dodgers in a one game playoff for the NL title and then lost to the Yankees in seven games. But when you go to Cooperstown, there are a lot of Giants in the Hall of Fame.

by Redsfanx on Mar 25, 2009 3:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Another Giants fan here.

A few points.

-Randy Winn won’t amaze you on offense, but he’ll give you above average offense with it and give you great defense.

-Lewis is probably hitting 3rd, at least most fans hope he hits 3rd.

-Pablo Sandoval will hit I think, but I’m not sure about his defense. Essentially I’ve heard that if it’s hit to him or near his left he’ll gobble it up. Otherwise….

-I have to put in a Steve Holm! here. I’m pretty much his biggest fan over at MCC I think. I’m impressed by him, at least for a backup catcher that is.

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by WalrusMan on Mar 25, 2009 9:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Didn’t finish and I hit post…

-I think to a Giants fan Sanchez had a very nice season. His first half ERA of 3.67 is nearer to his skill level than his final ERA. When he’s on he’s just dominant. I remember watching his first start, which was against the Reds.

And lastly and most importantly…

-Brian Wilson had nothing to do with Kokomo.

Sorry, that last bit made me Smile. Nice preview!

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by WalrusMan on Mar 25, 2009 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

don't forget...

his appearance on Full House.

He didn’t write the song but he performed it.

by Snake the Jake on Mar 26, 2009 8:01 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lakeman seems to be AWOL with the D-Backs preview

Anybody want to take it on?

"Sometimes I listen for Griffey’s infectious laugh or Dunn’s humor and wit. But they’re gone." - Dusty

by BK on Mar 25, 2009 10:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

when is it due?

I may be able to give it a shot if there are no takers.

...because there's already someone posing as Jacob Brumfield

by Cy Schourek on Mar 26, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Whenever.

"Sometimes I listen for Griffey’s infectious laugh or Dunn’s humor and wit. But they’re gone." - Dusty

by BK on Mar 26, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

edit: I'll do it if I'm the first one to take it on

I thought the last one was fun

...because there's already someone posing as Jacob Brumfield

by Cy Schourek on Mar 26, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You are.

If someone who hasn’t done one yet wants it, I’d say let’s give it to them, but if nobody claims it by midnight tonight, it’s yours.

"Sometimes I listen for Griffey’s infectious laugh or Dunn’s humor and wit. But they’re gone." - Dusty

by BK on Mar 26, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

(Giants fan if you can’t tell…)

-At least Randy Johnson is from the SF area, so that makes it a little less weird…

-Like someone mentioned above, Sanchez was a quality starter for the first half of the season, and us hopeful Giants fans blame the fact that he had never thrown over 125 innings in any professional season (and that was 2005 and the only time he’s thrown over 100) for his second half decline. Basically over the next 3 years Lincecum, Cain, and Sanchez should all rotate winning the Cy Young, and after that you can add Bumgarner to the Cy Young rotation…

-Hardly fair to call Aurilia a traitor, I mean he did play 9 years for the Giants before playing those 2 for the Reds. If anything, he was a traitor to us! He has since seen the error of his ways..

-You left out the fact that the Giants are the winningest franchise in professional sports in the history section. http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_Major_League_Baseball_Franchise_has_won_the_most_total_games_through_out_their_history

-Fact: Lincecum has never iced his arm because it never hurts. It must be impossible for him to get hurt! I will accept no other explanation.

-I too enjoy seeing very tall baseball players standing next to Lincecum. It’s even funnier when you realize he’s much better than them.

-Sandoval hits everything. He’s like a short, fat Vlad (he seems to have some power but obviously not Vlad’s power). He swings at everything, but his contact rate is unreal – he even got a hit on a ball that bounced before he hit it this spring.

-Final note: the ONLY way the Giants contend this season is if the NL West is as easy to win as it was last year. Giants fans understand this. The year before last the Giants were the only team in the division not to finish above .500. So contention is unlikely, especially if the Diamondbacks and/or Rockies rebound (which is plausible given their youth).

by Missing Barry on Mar 26, 2009 10:06 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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