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Scary Reds comparison

Here are two career stat lines of two guys who are/were Reds.

Player A - .253/.291/.407

Player B - .249/.294/.394

Know who each guy is?

Player A is of course, Corey Patterson.

Player B is the guy who will be our cleanup hitter for the 2nd year in a row against Right Handed Pitching for his career, Brandon Phillips. Its kind of a swift kick in the junk to Reds fans that somehow this is still going to happen in the middle of our lineup.

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major buzzkill doug

we’re trying get our drankin’ done around here and you are totally harsh to the mellow. weak dude. weak.

My millions are unconventional!

by Charlie Scrabbles on Mar 17, 2009 3:33 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

Agreed.

And I’m arec’n it in t’ hopes of it aturnin’ green to accompany this fella’s spirited adrinkin’.

"I accidently put the night light in the washing machine."

by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 17, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

His 2008 numbers are nearly perfectly in line with his career averages..

..but for what it’s worth he has improved since coming to the Reds:

2006: .268 / .315 / .429
2007: .282 / .310 / .428
2008: .247 / .293 / .383

Not quite Pattersonian.

"I accidently put the night light in the washing machine."

by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 17, 2009 3:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Oof.

Luckily, only 70% of ABs are against RHP….

Often wrong, never uncertain.

by sidnancy on Mar 17, 2009 5:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Ow

That hurts my soul. Way to use the ol’ Joe Poz A/B trick. I really really wish BP weren’t so terrible against righties. He belongs in the 6 slot.

by teb7 on Mar 17, 2009 6:27 PM EDT reply actions  

yawn

Blessed be baseball!

by Daedalus on Mar 17, 2009 11:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Double fucking yawn

Why is obc so mean to me when I offer an introduction to a beautiful 25 year old Red's Cheerleader.

by Madville on Mar 18, 2009 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

as much as BP sucks as a cleanup hitter

comparing a guys splits to a crappy players overall stats is kind of unfair

by sharks on Mar 18, 2009 12:51 AM EDT reply actions  

to play devil's advocate

EE vs. RH last yr:

.235/.316/.450

that said, his career line is better:

.264/.332/.451

while not all that great, it’s still no secret who the cleanup hitter should be. Maybe EE will actually fill out that potential we all keep talkinig about and force dusty’s hand.

by sharks on Mar 18, 2009 1:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Slightly

but 70% of the time Phillips steps to the plate, he is Corey Patterson. The other 30% of the time, he is a quality hitter.

by dougdirt on Mar 18, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

hmm...that's funny

because when you hit 30% of the time, you’re a Hall of Fame hitter.

by Daedalus on Mar 18, 2009 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe

but what about when you hit 30% of the 30% you actually can hit?

by dougdirt on Mar 18, 2009 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

BP

30% of the time he works every time.

"How big IS your magic wand?"

by Slyde on Mar 18, 2009 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

that doesn't even make sense

"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions!"- Dr. Stephen T. Colbert DFA.

by justin007000 on Mar 19, 2009 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess my point is a lot of RHs suck against RH pitching

that and we really dont really have that much better an option for the cleanup spot. I want phillips out of the 4 hole as much as anyone, but that pretty much requires adding another player.

by sharks on Mar 20, 2009 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

really?

i dont want to get into a whole dynamics of lineup construction thing here, but i would argue that EdE and Bruce are far better suited to the cleanup spot than BP.

My millions are unconventional!

by Charlie Scrabbles on Mar 20, 2009 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

I am a Votto in the Clean up role fan

He is all man.

Why is obc so mean to me when I offer an introduction to a beautiful 25 year old Red's Cheerleader.

by Madville on Mar 20, 2009 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

hmm...I should have phrased that better

I did already say EE should be in the cleanup spot, and also I would make the lineup with 3456 as votto, bruce, EE, BP if dusty handed the lineup card to yours truly, so I completely agree with you. I probably should have said “requires adding another player for managment to actually make the right change” cause thats more along the lines of what I meant. I personally dont buy into that whole LH/RH rotation crap, but its obvious it isn’t going to change anytime soon.

by sharks on Mar 20, 2009 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

that and...

“that much better a RH option for the cleanup spot”

by sharks on Mar 20, 2009 1:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

i getcha

and im with you all the way.

My millions are unconventional!

by Charlie Scrabbles on Mar 20, 2009 1:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

in no way do i wish to defend Corey Patterson

But last year was a down year even for a low-caliber player like him. You need to compare what Corey did last year (while we watched him and hence, our perception of his impact on a team) to your Phillips line for a more-fair argument.

Corey last year- .205 / .238 / .344
BP split career- .249 / .294 / .394

"Turns Out Craig Counsell Was Actually Best Baseball Player Of Steroid Era"
-The Onion 2/13/09

by RedinWrigleyville on Mar 18, 2009 12:47 PM EDT reply actions  

yes i realize that but

corey patterson had a down year last year. he’s not as bad as we perceive him to be. i should be stoned for that comment.

"Turns Out Craig Counsell Was Actually Best Baseball Player Of Steroid Era"
-The Onion 2/13/09

by RedinWrigleyville on Mar 24, 2009 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just some numbers from around the league...

The Reds could of aquired some of these guys, but remember these are 2008 salaries. All are RH except Patterson and Jacque Jones. Career stats don’t always tell the story. So if we’re going on numbers alone, Jacque Jones out shines Phillips.

Career stats
                                Avg OBP Slg 2008 salary
Corey Patterson 253/.291/.407 3 mill
Jacque Jones .277/.326/.448 6.33 mill
Brandon Phillips .249/.294/.394 2.9 mill
Xavier Nady .280/.335/.458 3.35 mill
Adam Dunn .247/.381/.518 13 mill
Kevin Youkilis .289/.385/.472 3 mill
Rocco Baldelli .281/.325/.445 2.25 mill
Albert Pujols .334/.425/.624 13.8 mill
Andruw Jones .259/.339/.489 14.7 mill
Aramis Ramirez .284/.341/.502 15 mill
Manny Ramirez .314/.411/.593 18.9 mill

"A lie can travel around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes".....Mark Twain

by a_madmule on Mar 20, 2009 1:46 PM EDT reply actions  

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