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Pirates Preview Time!

According to Jeff Schlegel, a travel columnist writing for the New York Times, "Pittsburgh has undergone a striking renaissance from a down-and-out smokestack to a gleaming cultural oasis."  Unfortunately, their baseball team does not look ready for such a renaissance this year.

Star-divide

1: THE BASICS

Team name: Pirates

Team status: crappy

 

2:  GETTING SLIGHTLY MORE SPECIFIC

Last winning season: 1992 (right before they lost Barry Bonds to free agency [but note that he never had more than 34 HRs in a season in Pittsburgh...])

And I know you're all anxious to see the back of peoples' heads in the Pirates' baseball stadium, PNC Park, so here you go:

Pncpark77_medium

via upload.wikimedia.org

 

3: SERIOUSLY, THOUGH

I rushed back from a spring break trip to Montreal to write about pretty much the crappiest team around?  These guys make the Reds look good.  Like, really good.

 

4: BUT WHAT ARE THEY SAYING ABOUT US?

I wandered over to Bucs Dugout to see that they are doing NL Central previews.  It turns out that the Reds are in the NL Central, and look at the shit they're talking about us:

OFFSEASON

Not good. Like the Astros, the Reds seems to think that once you have a decent core in place, the right thing to do is to spread the rest of your money around to as many mediocre veterans as possible. In addition to signing Hernandez, Taveras and Rhodes, the Reds also re-signed a number of their own free agents, including David Weathers (one year, $3.9 million), Mike Lincoln (two years, $4 million), Norris Hopper (one year, $402,000) and Jerry Hairston (one year, $2 milion). Individually, there were arguments to be made for each of these signings: both Weathers and Lincoln were modestly effective last year, Hopper cost barely above the league minimum, and Hairston posted an .871 OPS in 261 at bats in 2009. But Weathers is 39 and had problems with walks last year, Hairston will be 33 and had two straight years absolutely awful years before 2008, and Lincoln and Hopper have never been very good.

More troubling was the signing of Taveras to a two-year, $6.25 million deal, ostensibly to be their starting center fielder. As a basestealing fiend and a solid defensive outfielder, Taveras has his uses, but he managed just a .295 slugging percentage last year in Coors Field, and he has absolutely no business starting. Ramon Hernandez, meanwhile, has good power for a starting catcher, but his batting average has been dwindling for a while now, and he may be close to done.

Wait a minute, I agree with them.

 

5: BECAUSE I'M TOO LAZY TO E-MAIL ANYBODY IN ADVANCE

Yes, that would require planning and passing up good eating, drinking, and whatnot in favor of working on this.  Sorry, but the incentives are just not there.  My solution: quote random comments from Bucs Dugout!  Like, say, this one, in a rousing discussion of the starting rotation for this year:

Crap

I keep telling myself we have better depth at pitching than last year, but after the top 3, I’m not sure who we can count on. Ohlendorf sounds better than he is. We’re basically praying that Gorzo starts to pitch again. I’d hate to have two soft throwers like Duke and Karstens as starters with our defense, but that might be our best bet. Maybe Maholm, Duke, Snell, Gorzo, Karstens.

Even in the "top three", we’re counting on Maholm not regessing, Snell "fixing his delivery" or whatever, and Duke keeping his ERA under 6. Not good.

 

Yeah, so brings us to section 5.A.  That's right:

 

5.A: STARTING PITCHING

Their pitching staff is just full of young, mediocre (or worse) pitchers.  Let's look at their top five starters from last year:

 

  • Zach Duke, 26.  The guy had a freak performance in his rookie season in 2005: 1.81 ERA, 1.2 WHIP in 84 IP, for an ERA+ of 234 (textbook example: effects of small sample sizes).  He then returned to Earth in the next three seasons, with an ERA+ of 99, 79 and 86 and WHIP of 1.5, 1.7, and 1.5.  But yeah, he's young, turning 26 in a month.
  • Paul Maholm, 27.  Another freak small-sample-size performance in his 2005 rookie season, ERA+ of 194, WHIP of 1.16 in 41 IP.  But after two blah seasons, he turned in a solid performance last year, bringing his WHIP back down to 1.28 and finishing with an ERA+ of 111 in 206 IP.  And did I mention that he's also young?
  • Ian Snell, 27.  His breakout season was in 2007, when he got his WHIP down around 1.3 and posted an ERA+ of 116.  He then proceeded to suck even more in 2008 than he did in 2005 or 2006, with a WHIP over 1.7 and an ERA+ of 76 in 164 innings.
  • Tom Gorzelanny, 27.  He had a solid performance in 60 innings in 2006, then continued that in 201 innings in 2007.  Both seasons, his WHIP was below 1.4 and his ERA+ was above 110.  But he seriously sucked last year, with a WHIP of 1.8 and an ERA+ of 62 in 105 IP.  Hence the mention above of praying that he "starts to pitch again."  Hey, it could happen...
  • Phil Dumatrait, 26.  Wait, this guy is still around?  My sources tell me that the Pirates picked him up off of waivers and he pitched 78 innings last year with an ERA+ of 78 and a WHIP above 1.5.  But, um, he was better than Gorzelanny.  At any rate, he's gone.

A Post-Gazette article on Monday quoted the Pirates GM, Neal Huntington:

 

Also today, general manager Neal Huntington said the first cuts of the spring will come "early next week," with a larger wave a week later.

Huntington said, too, that Jimmy Barthmaier, owner of an 18.69 ERA, is off the list of rotation candidates. The field now remains eight, Huntington said, reiterating that only Paul Maholm is a lock, with Ian Snell and Zach Duke right behind, but adding Virgil Vasquez to a field that already included Ohlendorf, Tom Gorzelanny, Jeff Karstens and Daniel McCutchen.

 

Wait, who?  Oh, that's right.  All three came over from the Yankees in the Xavier Nady trade last season.

  • Karstens posted an ERA+ of 102 in 51 innings after coming over, and Ohlendorf continued the sub-70 ERA+ sucking he had been doing in NY.  They're both 26, though.
  • I don't think that McCutchen has played in the majors before, though he has posted nice strikeout numbers in the minors.  He kept his WHIP below 1.2 in AA and AAA across the Yankees and Pirates organizations last season.  Also 26.

One more note about the starters: Duke, Maholm, and Gorzelanny are all lefties.

 

5.B: RELIEF PITCHING

Their relievers were surprisingly not-horrible last year, anchored by then-24-year-old closer Matt Capps (137 ERA+, sub-1.0 WHIP), 30-year-old John Grabow (145 ERA+, 1.3 WHIP), and Damaso Marte, whose 119 ERA+ and one K/inning were traded with Nady to the Yankees.  They also relied heavily on mediocre performances from Tyler Yates (88 ERA+), Sean Burnett (87), Franquelis Osoria (68), T.J. Beam (100), and Denny Bautista (68).  Given that the PIrates basically did nothing in the offseason, unless a rookie breaks out the relief corps should look a lot like last year's, sans Marte.

 

5.C: NON-PITCHERS

5.C.1: WAS THERE A TWO-FOR-ONE DEAL ON LAROCHES?

The hope was for the corners to be manned by Andy and Adam LaRoche.  However, Andy is an idiot who didn't believe his doctors when they told him he'd have to keep doing the prescribed exercises:

"My back felt great and this offseason I didn't really stick with (the exercises) like I should," LaRoche admitted. "I guess the doctors were right when they said I'll have to stick with them for the rest of my career."

He missed the spring training opener, but I imagine he's playing by this point.  So let's look at the actual starters...

 

5.C.2: THE OFFENSE: THE BROTHERS LAROCHE AND OTHERS

Last year, the Pirates were strong at catcher (Doumit: 128 OPS+), first (Adam LaRoche: 123), and in the outfield (Nady, now gone, Bay in left, also now gone in that big Ramirez deal, and McLouth in CF with 126).  The rest of the infield was mediocre: Freddy Sanchez (79) at second, Jose Bautista (95) with the most starts at 3B, and Jack Wilson (77) at short.  Nobody has any real speed except for McLouth (23 SB/3 CS).  And I have no idea who's supposed to fill out the outfield.  They did invite Andy Phillips to spring training, so maybe they'll try him.  According to some guy at Bucs Dugout, outfielder Andrew McCutchen does have some promise, but he may not even start the season in the majors.  So, it looks like they'll be relying on lots of retreads to fill in those outfield holes, unless I'm completely missing something.

This is always possible.  In fact, aren't the Reds doing the same thing?

 

6: CONCLUSIONS AND AVENUES FOR FUTURE RESEARCH

I'm sure if I say that this team will suck even more than the Reds this year, that will come back to bite me, but I think that I can say it with some confidence anyway.  The Pirates took a team that went 67-95 last season, pulled what the Reds love to do when blessed with a good outfield (decimate it), got little in return, and then basically did nothing else.  They're now hoping that the guys who played way above their heads last year can maintain that, and the others can return to their top form.  This seems unlikely to happen.

 

Of course, their greatest strength is their youth.  Given how young pretty much the entire team it is, a few players could always find their stride.  But since there are so many holes, it's going to be pretty tough for enough guys to step up this year to give this team a chance of making the playoffs.  And with their pitching situation, this could be another long, painful season.  At least a few young offensive players should be fun to watch...

 

APPENDIX A: ADDING AN ACTUAL LINEUP

There was a complaint in the comments about the "conspicuous" absence of a projected lineup, so here's one.

Morgan LF (career OPS+ in 267 ABs across two seasons: 98)
Sanchez 2B
Mcclouth CF
Doumit C
LaRoche 1B
LaRoche 3B
Wilson SS

And in RF, one of Hinske (2008 OPS+: 107 with the Rays, after bombing with Boston in 2007 to the tune of an OPS+ of 83), Moss (he's only 25, with an OPS+ of 95 over his two seasons in the majors), or Pearce (career OPS+ in his two seasons: 91).

Holy crap, that's a depressing lineup. 

 

Incidentally, I was dubious, but even with his batting average of .271, OBP of .298, and slugging percentage of .371, Sanchez usually batted second last season--356 PAs second, 162 first, 61 third, and only a handful anywhere else in the lineup.  This for a guy with zero SBs all season.  As if this lineup needed help to be any crappier...

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Not one Pirate joke?

what is this the Library? Nice job other than that though.

"balls"-Slyde

by The Crushinator on Mar 12, 2009 1:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I was disappointed in myself for that, too.

What was I thinking?!?

We want to build long period of time. I didn’t come here for the shot run.

by Gray on Mar 12, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

wait...

the team is the joke!

Reds fan for 40 years!

by gejoe on Mar 12, 2009 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bay and Nady were pretty huge pieces for them

and im not really seeing much promise coming out of those trades. Karstens, Ohlendorf, McCutcheon, and Hansen all seem like basically the same player (5th starter/bullpen arm). Jose Tabata is still considered a pretty decent prospect, but Brandon Moss and Andy LaRoche are pretty underwhelming at this point. they could turn into decent players, but frankly, i would be really disappointed in these returns if i were a Bucs fan.

My millions are unconventional!

by Charlie Scrabbles on Mar 12, 2009 3:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I thought the Nady trade was okay

But the return for 1.5 years of Bay, even if LaRoche was a sabr-fave for a while, was pretty weak. He’s the one guy on that team who’s worth paying as a FA. You may as well keep him to let the fans know that you’re trying.

by ken on Mar 13, 2009 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah the Nady trade wasnt as bad

but i was more looking at the two deals as a single event (Pirates dump their vets at the deadline). they sure got some quantity out of it, but for a rebuilding team with precious few chips to cash in it sure seems like they blew that opportunity. and i was kinda looking forward to seeing how Huntington would fare.

My millions are unconventional!

by Charlie Scrabbles on Mar 13, 2009 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

2003'd?

...because there's already someone posing as Jacob Brumfield

by Cy Schourek on Mar 14, 2009 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm a big fan of whatnot too...

whatnot has more going for than the Pirates have going for them.

Perhaps a a flatbed truck loaded with cadavers will explode in front of a Star Trek convention. One can only dream and hope.

by Madville on Mar 12, 2009 3:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

My only question

Who are the Pirates playing on International Talk Like a Pirate Day?

"Hey! Look at the kid in the sombrero!"

by obc2 on Mar 12, 2009 4:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The Padres, at home...

The Reds do visit three days later, though, on September 22.

We want to build long period of time. I didn’t come here for the shot run.

by Gray on Mar 12, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pirates and Padres in mid-September?

Wow.

"I accidently put the night light in the washing machine."

by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 12, 2009 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you just cannot get enough Pirates coverage

they are on 30 Clubs in 30 Days right now. Come on, come on. If only all their pitchers could have a career year in the same year! Also, their projected lineup (conspicuously absent here) is shitty as eff.

beef hoagie

by Colin Auscapee on Mar 12, 2009 5:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't even know what they're projecting their lineup to be right now...

I looked a bit, saw enormous holes, and gave up. Do you know who they’re currently projecting in the outfield and infield holes?

We want to build long period of time. I didn’t come here for the shot run.

by Gray on Mar 12, 2009 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

IIRC it was

morgan lf
sanchez 2b
mcclouth cf
doumit c
laroche 1b
i forget rf
laroche 3b
wilson ss

beef hoagie

by Colin Auscapee on Mar 12, 2009 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That is depressing. And I'm not even a Pirates' fan.

Nate McClouth is an All Star and that Andrew McCutcheon kid might be something like Jay Bruce Lite but he’s not gonna start the season with ’em.

Otherwise, the Bucs are gonna be fun to watch for all the wrong reasons.

"I accidently put the night light in the washing machine."

by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 12, 2009 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Arrrrghhh

The friend most responsible for making me into a baseball fan is a long-time Pirates fan. She was really upset that the Bucs didn’t re-sign Doug Mientkiewicz. She said the fans all loved him, and his teammates did, too. She took it as a personal affront that he wasn’t re-signed. She figures the Pirates are going to suck, as usual, and the front office isn’t going to spend any money on big stars, as usual. So why not make one little concession to long-suffering fans, and re-sign the cheap bench player they fell in love with? What does it hurt?

Oh, well. The Bucs now have Eric Hinske, the human good luck charm.

And former Red Andy Phillips is impressing in spring training. The Bucs beat writer thinks he’s almost guaranteed to make the roster.

Though he hasn’t played since Saturday. He was playing every day. I wonder if he’s injured.

And Montreal? Aren’t you supposed to go someplace warm for spring break?

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Mar 12, 2009 6:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Warm?

It was warm! I was thwarted in my attempts to snowshoe across Mount Royal, since most of the snow melted and only about an inch fell while I was there.

We want to build long period of time. I didn’t come here for the shot run.

by Gray on Mar 12, 2009 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fuck the FANS

Why is obc so mean to me when I offer an introduction to a beautiful 25 year old Red's Cheerleader.

by Madville on Mar 12, 2009 6:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

sucks

Blame this one on Sarasota. The Reds offered a good deal to stay there and the city wouldnt go for it.

Its a shame the new ballpark doesnt have access. I’m canceling my planned trip there next year…I was gonna celebrate da kids 40th bday.

"Hey! Look at the kid in the sombrero!"

by obc2 on Mar 12, 2009 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Based on an email that I just received, it looks like Mr. Auscapee will be doing the Atlanta Preview

please make a note of it in your scorebooks.

"How big IS your magic wand?"

by Slyde on Mar 12, 2009 9:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i used pen

"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions!"- Dr. Stephen T. Colbert DFA.

by justin007000 on Mar 12, 2009 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

i used teller

Made from 100% recycled awesome,

by chandrathan on Mar 12, 2009 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Fuck the Pirates and Sarasota

Why is obc so mean to me when I offer an introduction to a beautiful 25 year old Red's Cheerleader.

by Madville on Mar 13, 2009 2:03 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Someone needs a hug

I miss the old days of the internet when men were men, hot girls were middle aged men, and hot underage girls were FBI agents.....

by jch24 on Mar 13, 2009 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I love how I can check the site in the morning

and see 1 new comment on the top 7 posts and immediately my first thought is “Madville went bowling.” Good times.

"Sometimes I listen for Griffey’s infectious laugh or Dunn’s humor and wit. But they’re gone." - Dusty

by BK on Mar 13, 2009 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

It's what keeps us coming back...

We want to build long period of time. I didn’t come here for the shot run.

by Gray on Mar 13, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: NYT

I hear a “Pittsburgh is coming back!” article every 4 months or so. I’ve been there. It hasn’t.

...because there's already someone posing as Jacob Brumfield

by Cy Schourek on Mar 13, 2009 1:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Did you see it before?

The city has done a decent job of reinventing itself, mainly thanks to its strong universities and medical centers—unlike, say, Cleveland.

Then again, I haven’t been, but I’ve heard good things.

We want to build long period of time. I didn’t come here for the shot run.

by Gray on Mar 13, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cleveland is probably where the next Civil War is going to start

but there are some nice old historic places. I feel like there’s still enough of an economy to get something going. Everyone is leaving Pittsburgh…Steelers fans are all over the east coast, and noone seems to keen to go back

...because there's already someone posing as Jacob Brumfield

by Cy Schourek on Mar 13, 2009 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree

I love Pittsburgh. (The town, not the team.) It’s a beautiful city now.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Mar 13, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do you have a high res shot of that? It's awesome.

I miss the old days of the internet when men were men, hot girls were middle aged men, and hot underage girls were FBI agents.....

by jch24 on Mar 13, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks

I think I have a higher resolution somewhere, but not really high-res. It was taken with my old camera, which didn’t have that much resolution. I went back once with a newer camera to try again, but of course it was a rainy, icky day that was pretty lousy for photography. I might try again this year.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Mar 13, 2009 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like Pittsburgh

go to the Oakland neighborhood, and it is rather nice. Go to the O and get some hot dogs and fries.

"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions!"- Dr. Stephen T. Colbert DFA.

by justin007000 on Mar 15, 2009 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not sure about

those sandwiches that have the fries in them.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Mar 15, 2009 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Primanti Brothers

I believe they were featured on an episode of Man vs. Food. And are also served in the stadium.

by Brendanukkah on Mar 15, 2009 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and there is a bar/grill called Hemingway's

the drunken chicken there is absolutely amazing.

I also discovered sweet potato fries in Pittsburgh, never heard of them before I went to Pittsburgh. I’ll miss going to Pittsburgh after the girlfriend graduates.

"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions!"- Dr. Stephen T. Colbert DFA.

by justin007000 on Mar 16, 2009 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sweet Potato Fries are awesome!

Corky’s BBQ has the best I’ve ever tasted

Made from 100% recycled awesome,

by chandrathan on Mar 16, 2009 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

my friend took me a restaurant in the Pittsburgh area

that offered sweet potato fries with their sandwiches. I had heard of them before, but that was the first time I had them (aside from my baked versions at home).

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Mar 16, 2009 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just remember you can never be TOO high

Why is obc so mean to me when I offer an introduction to a beautiful 25 year old Red's Cheerleader.

by Madville on Mar 13, 2009 11:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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