2009 World Baseball Classic: Pool B Preview
Here's Pool B: Australia, Cuba, Mexico, South Africa
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Pool B Preface: Pool A is the same in 2009 as 2006, but the other Pools have gotten shuffled around a bit.
Australia
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2006 Performance: Went 0-3 in Round 1 (against Dominican Republic, Venezuela, and Italy)
2009 Outlook: Still not good. I recently read Bill Bryson's In a Sunburned Country, so I'm a big Australia fan, but I don't give them much of a chance. Although they got the silver medal in the 2004 Sydney Olympics (as the host team, they got an automatic berth), they failed to qualify for the 2008 games. Grant Balfour, probably the best MLB player to qualify to play for them, will not be participating – the Rays evidently put pretty strong pressure on him. Ryan Rowland-Smith, who pitched 118 innings for the Mariners last year(starting AND in relief – with a 3.42 ERA), has also chosen to stay home and try to win a starting job. But although Australian baseball leagues are not exactly the cream of the crop, Australia's team does feature a couple guys who have settled in the KBO - like Chris Oxspring who has played in the NPB, and pitched a few relief innings for San Diego in '05. Actually, Oxspring put together a pretty solid half-season in AAA (albeit at age 30) in 2007 when the Brewers traded him to the LG Twins of the KBO. Both Oxspring (as a starter) and pitcher Brad Thomas have seen success in the KBO (Thomas was the closer on its All-Star team in 2008). Of course, this says more about the quality of the KBO – but Australia will have sufficient pitching, Afterall, they only need to win two games to get into the next round. They won't beat Cuba, but they South Africa's a different story, and they could get lucky and eke out a win over Mexico.
2009 Players to Watch: Luke Hughes (Twins)is probably one of the most legitimate MLB prospects on the Australia team. Last year (age 23), he OPSed .923 with AA New Britain before moving up to AAA. He played for the World team in the 2008 Futures game, and, in the minors, has played every single position at least once (including pitcher – 1 IP in 2007 with 1 hit and no runs allowed).
Also, I read in one place that Chris Oxspring occasionally throws a knuckleball – so that could be interesting. (If true – it might be some indication that his more recent success is actual improvement. .. maybe?)
A lot of the other prospects have put nice seasons together here and there, but seem old for their league – so they don't seem quite like legitimate prospects.
Cuba
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2006 Performance: 2nd place; lost to Japan in the finals. Went 2-1 in Round 1 (Lost to Puerto Rico), and 2-1 in Round 2 (Lost to Dominican Republic).
2009 Outlook: I should probably just defer to Justin for this, but I suppose I'll give it a whirl anyway. Cuba is pretty good at baseball, and performs continually well on the international stage – winning gold in Sydney, taking second in the 2006 WBC and the 2008 Beijing Olympics. The Cubans will be without Yadel Marti and Yassir Gomez, two players who made plans to defect and come play ball in the USA. Yadel Marti pitched 12 scoreless innings for Cuba in 2006, so certainly his loss will be felt. As much as I don't know about Cuba's team, I feel pretty confident in sending them to the final. Another sad loss is Alexei Bell, a 25 year old outfielder who set a new league record for HR in the 2007-2008 season, and also led in runs, RBIs, and slugging. (He was also 2nd in stolen bases). Additionally he was stellar in the 2008 Olympics (3 doubles, 4 triples, and 2 HR in 9 games). Evidently he was hit in the face by a pitch in Cuba's 2008 season and hasn't really been the same since.
2009 Players to Watch: There are a lot of Cuban league stars here, so it's honestly a little hard to choose – but Aroldis Chapman is 20 years old and has recently been clocked throwing 102 mph.
Among the batters, Frederich Cepeda is returning, who in 2006 clocked 10 hits in 26 at bats – 5 for extra bases. But I think people consider the real star to be Alfredo Despaigne, a 22 year old center fielder (and sometime designated hitter), who can really mash, wowing viewers at the 2008 Olympics with 3 HR and 12 RBI in 9 games.
Mexico
2006 Performance: Won Pool B with a 2-1 record (won RA/9 tiebreaker against the US – one loss was to the US), Went 1-2 in Pool 1 (lost to Korea and Japan), did not proceed to semifinals.
2009 Outlook: You know, the first thing I noticed about this team is that is seems pretty old. Their youngest player is 24, and 19 out of 28 are 30 or older. I don't know what the median age of each WBC squad is, but I'm willing to bet Mexico's is the highest. But other than that, Mexico is a good enough team to likely make it out of Pool B. Oliver Perez (Mets) is bringing the pitching, Adrian Gonzalez (Padres) will bring some offense (and his brother Edgar! What a brother-y team). I really do think Mexico will go to Round 2 with Cuba, especially since they will have serious home field advantage at Foro Soil. After that, I'm skeptical, partly just because Mexico lost to South Korea and Japan in Round 2 of the last WBC, and that's who they'll see this year as well.
2009 Players to Watch: Well, of course there's Hairston and Hairston (Imagine this like Thompson and Thomson: speaking of which – have you heard? Tin tin movie. Pegg and Frost as Thompson and Thomson. Win.) Trivia: Cherry Hudson Jr. is sometimes called Jerry Hairston by those not in the know.
Joakim Soria is Kansas City's 24 year old closer, evidently (according to Wiki) called the 'Mexicutioner', who had 42 saves last season with a 1.60 ERA and a 0.861 WHIP. Damn.
Also, I can't really say anything here about Jorge Cantu that hasn't already been said.
Freddy Sandoval (Angels) hit .903 in AAA last year, at age 25, but is the second youngest player on the team
Lastly: Alfredo Amezega (the second Alfredo in this preview, but sadly, the last) was drafted one spot in front of Albert Pujols, so surely he is better than Albert Pujols, right?
South Africa
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2006 Performance: 0-3, including an impressive 17-0 loss to ye olde US of A, called on the mercy rule after 5 innings.
2009 Outlook: So... South Africa. South Africa is also a country without a strong baseball tradition. No player from South Africa has ever cracked the majors. Barry Armitage played at AA and threw an inning in an exhibition game for the Royals and that is as close as any has come. There are six players on the squad who have deals with MLB teams, but realistically, South Africa is quite bad. But go them for fielding a team! Hopefully they can encourage more interest in baseball in their country.
2009 Players to Watch: As opposed to Mexico, South Africa has a really young team (12 out of 28 are 20 or younger) : In particular – Hein Robb, who is signed with the Twins and is 16 years old. 16!! Holy crap! Dylan Lindsay is a Royals prospect who is just a year older.
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Question: I've been thinking - maybe a WBC with close to full participation would be a good thing for MLB in the future. Obviously, MLB is the place to go for all elite players now, but leagues in other countries develop that might not always be as much the case. For instance, Yu Darvish has said that he has no interest in playing in the states (Which is probably just player's talk, but...). Might international players be more interested in playing in states if they know they can represent their own country once every four years - be a hero in their own hometown? Is this always going to be completely moot? (i.e. Elite players will never stop wanting to play in MLB above all else.) Is the WBC just as pointless as all the commenters on yahoo say it is? Discuss.
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WBC may become a predecessor some form of international league play
Winter ball for the elite players who wish to compete on a world stage. how it would be constructed and managed is unknown to me but some smart people will undoubtedly see the potential for making enormous amount of $$$ and figure it out.
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I feel like that could work
if they made the 40-man a little bit more flexible, so you would have pitchers taking monthlong breaks, etc.
...because there's already someone posing as Jacob Brumfield
baseball purists would throw a fit
i feel like i’m pretty much a purist, but given my love of all things international, i’d put all the tradition aside to make baseball a global game!
Not necessary to put all tradition aside
1. Shorten MLB to 150 games
2. Play a couple of fuckin’ doubleheaders for Christ’s sake
3. Get the season, play-offs and WS over by Oct 1st.
1. Int. League begins DEC 1 ends March 1
2. Play 90 game schedule
3. Have 2 weeks of ST and start playing MLB ball in April
This kind of scheduling makes for year around quality baseball. If a guy doesn’t want to play all year, he doesn’t have to. But this enlargement of the market could take the financial strain off the MLB clubs plus give a lot o international players a chance to compete at a the MLB level etc.
Its a win-win
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is sunday your day of soberness?
that was surprisingly coherent. I didn’t feel like I was talking to the crazy old man sitting alone at the bar…
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those are good ideas
i’m a big advocate of shortening the season. at least in my head i am. though the WS should be played in october. if i had it my way, we’d eliminate the last four expansion teams and get rid of the division series. except then the way things are it’d be the same four teams in the playoffs every year.
we do need a shorter spring, too. maybe not for pitchers and catchers, but…
i don't think spring should be shorter
the starting pitchers need 4-6 weeks to stretch it out.
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by justin007000 on Mar 1, 2009 10:12 PM EST up reply actions
no reason they can't stretch it out in april
everyone would have the same short spring.
interesting to think about, anyway.
but for the few weeks of the season
you would have pitchers struggling to complete 5 innings. In Spring Training you have the entire organization to pick up the slack, but a manger only has 11-13 pitchers call upon in April.
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by justin007000 on Mar 1, 2009 10:19 PM EST up reply actions
From the international viewpoint
The argument that pitchers would suffer from over use is fallacious; There are tons and tons of pitchers out there and probably some pretty damn good ones too.
And Rachel too

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I think you'd have to do that
if it’s going to be like an international soccer competition, then you’d have the members of the national team going off for a few days at a time during the season, and have the finals at the end of the year (or once every 4 or something). You’re right, if they loosened the active roster rules for international breaks, they could easily incorporate it into the season rather than doing it all at once. Who wouldn’t want to see the US destroy the Jamaican baseball team in the early qualifying rounds?
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by BK on Mar 1, 2009 6:35 PM EST up reply actions
I want to thank andromache for the work she has put in on this
and to thank her even more, we are giving her even more work to do. She has been added to the list of authors for the site for the duration of the WBC as the WBC Beat Reporter. She will be giving us daily updates on the WBC and letting us know what to watch for that day.
Thanks, andromache!
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by Slyde on Mar 1, 2009 9:29 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
rec'd
For rewarding talent and hard work. Makes me proud to be an American /sniff!/
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by "Red" Moskau on Mar 2, 2009 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
did you know
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions!"- Dr. Stephen T. Colbert DFA.
..so your saying...
your Raul Castro?
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by The Crushinator on Mar 1, 2009 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
yep
yep i am
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions!"- Dr. Stephen T. Colbert DFA.
i actually wanted to link that
but i didn’t know what to title the link.
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions!"- Dr. Stephen T. Colbert DFA.
thanks andromache
i think for the WBC to be successful, it NEEDS to be played after the World Series and no during the middle of spring training. i could see the WBC catching the World Cup if it were done correctly, but teams are going to restrict their players from playing for fear that they will hurt themselves before the season even starts. furthermore, commish Bud needs to put in place a rule that will prevent teams from barring their players from playing if they so chose. Perhaps also a rule that each country must have “X” number of current major league players.
"I never use a big word when a diminutive one will work." — Pete Mackanin.
agreed
I don’t mind players participating, but the WBC definitely should not be played in the middle of spring training. Why not in November or December?
Phone's ringing, Dude.
Or why not in late January?
That will help stretch out the pitchers.
There are plenty of stadia, domed and otherwise, around the globe that would make worthy game sites. Japan’s domes, USA’s domes, Hawaii, Florida and Southern California, Baja, Australia. Cuba, The Dominican…
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The timing will never be perfect
If it’s after the WS a lot of guys will back out because they’re fatigued or because they don’t want to extend their season for two months. Anyone who didn’t play in the MLB postseason (including minor leaguers, guys in the Asian professional leagues, etc.) would have to stay in game shape for about two months past the end of their season. March is really the only time that this can be done.
by ken on Mar 1, 2009 5:26 PM EST up reply actions
but if you are a gm, and a pitcher just completed the first of his 7 year, $120M contract
and you just made it to the world series, and he logged about 270 innings between the playoffs and the regular season, would you want him to run off to the and maybe increase his inning count to 300? Keep in mind that you still owe the guy $102M+.
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions!"- Dr. Stephen T. Colbert DFA.
re: "staying home so you can represent your home country every 4 years"
This is something that comes up a lot during World Cup play that always interests me. Us Americans have a pretty peculiar view of nationalism, even pretty different from European countries.
All of the WBC teams so far, I think, are pretty solid nation-states. The only questionable one I can think of is Team Netherlands, because they just take a lot of the folks from their empire in the Netherlands Antillies.
It’s nice for us to think of “representing your country” but understandably, I think, family comes first. And if you can come to the states and get paid (at least!!!!) 6 digits for your talents, well, that’s really something. You can provide for your kids, grandkids, and so on. So you got that going for you.
But I don’t mind, in the WC example, someone from Cote D’Ivoire not wanting to play in the WC in order to protect “their investment” in their legs back in the EPL. It really is just a different worldview.
...because there's already someone posing as Jacob Brumfield
Conversely though, a big tournament like the World Cup can really give your career a tremendous boost
If you play well on the biggest stage, the biggest clubs are going to take notice. It worked in the 2006 WBC, particularly for Daisuke Matsuzaka and Kosuke Fukudome. Playing well for their country gave them the chance to get big contracts in MLB.
by Brendanukkah on Mar 1, 2009 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
there is a bigger societal issue here
americans are the quickest to wave their flags until it comes time for them to actually have to give something to the country. then it’s “not me!” i’ve always thought this very bizarre and i’ve never been to another country that is like this.
and before i get yelled at for saying that, it’s true. just look at the “support our troops” stuff. some of the loudest screamers of this wouldn’t touch military service with a ten foot pole. 101st Keyboarder Division, and all.
we don't want to sacrifice
that is why Bush lowered taxes and went to war. He knew if he said he would have to raise taxes to pay for Iraq, we would question whether or not we should be in Iraq.
Taxes is that way too. We want gov’t services, but we don’t want to pay for it.
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Nor are we willing to sacrifice communicating...
for the good of correct grammar. Is we?
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by "Red" Moskau on Mar 2, 2009 10:13 AM EST up reply actions
Is this about baseball?
"Sometimes I listen for Griffey’s infectious laugh or Dunn’s humor and wit. But they’re gone." - Dusty
by BK on Mar 1, 2009 6:00 PM EST up reply actions
yes
the US is the only country to have problems getting players to play for their country. but it’s just a part of the societal thing.
but the US also pays its players the most
i mean, a bunch of non-American’s MLB players dropped out of the 2006 WBC. Would you be happy if Cueto or Volquez get hurt? MLB has the most to lose. I think this is different than the problems with society.
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions!"- Dr. Stephen T. Colbert DFA.
that's not true
soccer players are paid millions, too. yet soccer players never hesitate to play for the national teams.
FIFA, the soccer governing body, sets aside international competition dates
It allows players to go play for their country and not worry about club responsibilities. However, sometimes international games aren’t scheduled for these dates. In those cases, national team coaches might not call in a player with a conflicting club commitment. Also, the clubs have the right to not release players for matches that don’t fall on those international dates.
but aren't pitchers at the greatest risk to suffer injury
of any position in professional sports. I mean yeah a position player could try to make a diving stab, and tear up his knee, but pitchers who are over worked are a time bomb.
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions!"- Dr. Stephen T. Colbert DFA.
i hate it so much how often you are right
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by justin007000 on Mar 1, 2009 8:07 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
mma'ers are gonna put you in an armbar
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by chandrathan on Mar 1, 2009 8:38 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, true
but with the rules they have in place for wbc, the risk isn’t that great. it’s almost the same as if they were playing in ST. i think people hear it in the media and just freak out about it without really thinking through it. is there an increased risk? probably. but they could get hurt in ST, too. someone said something about increasing rosters in WBC years. that’s a really interesting idea.
it’s not perfect yet. it could be.
but pitching in the WBC is different than pitching in spring training
these guys have to go all out, even if it is only over the course of I think 70 pitches is the limit in the first round. Where as in spring training, if a pitcher isn’t competing for a spot, he can hold back, and he can work on things. Plus the competition isn’t as great.
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions!"- Dr. Stephen T. Colbert DFA.
true, true
i’m agreeing with you there. i just think it’s over – what’s the word? the risk is just exaggerated?
i tell you what – i am soooo glad mario soto is the pitching coach for the dominican team.
i guess the fact that actual MLB guys who understand the risks are coaches.
injury not that big a risk?
ask gary majewski how his career has gone since he was in the first one.
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by chandrathan on Mar 1, 2009 8:38 PM EST up reply actions
he and ayala and who else?
look at how much both majewski AND ayala were used the year before. and consider they played for the same team.
I feel that players should be "cap-tied" to rosters
Like how A-Rod played the US last time, but is playing for the Dominican this time. How is that shit fair? Once you’ve played for a side, that’s it. That’s the team you play for. If you have dual eligibility, you have to pick one and stick with it.
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yeah, that shits just fucked up.
I mean, if someone doesn’t want to take up Dominican citizenship but wants to play for their team, that’s one thing. But its not like Rodriguez discovered he had some long-lost dominican heritage or something.
...because there's already someone posing as Jacob Brumfield
Don't knock something because you don't understand it.
Who would I want to play for? Don’t I love the US, where I was raised? Don’t I cherish my Korean heritage – wouldn’t I want to give something back to the land of my ancestors?
I don’t know how A-rod’s story – but I can totally understand a player wanting to play for different squads. Lots of people don’t fit into your nice little boxes of being Dominican or being American.
How is it fair for a player with multiple ethnicities to have to tie himself to one team? He can’t play on multiple teams in one tournament? What if a young player like I don’t know, Kurt Suzuki, was invited to play on the US team and accepted it because it IS a great honor, to represent the country you were raised in on an international level. Should he be precluded from representing the country of his forefathers later on if the US team no longer wants or appreciates him?
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by andromache on Mar 1, 2009 6:34 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
who doesn't want arod on the US team? he chose to leave.
mixed heritage? every american has mixed heritage. if everyone played for the team of his ancestors, there wouldn’t be an american team, ha ha.
how would the world have looked at it if zinedine zidane had suddenly decided to play for algeria instead of france?
it’s funny, but we’re starting to hit a point in history where nationalities are becoming increasingly irrelevant. that is a beautiful thing.
Like how Mike Piazza is the hitting coach for Italy
Nationalities can be very tricky things, at least in the soccer community. A country like the United Kingdom doesn’t have a team. Instead there’s an English team, a Scottish team, a Welsh team, and a Northern Irish team. That’s kept Ryan Giggs, maybe the best right winger in the world, from ever playing in the World Cup, because he’s Welsh. He’s amazing, but the rest of their team is pants. I don’t know if he has any other sort of ancestry to claim, but he’s tied to the Welsh team.
I wouldn't care if Zidane wanted to play for Algeria.
I wasn’t implying that people didn’t want A-Rod to play for America (although the mountains of fans screaming A-Roid and A-fraud probably wouldn’t make him feel bad for ‘abandoning’ the US team).
I strongly disagree that nationalities are becoming irrelevant. Do you, Daedalus, Cy, or Brendan, have any one country in your heritage that you feel strongly enough about to want to represent them? I do. My sister’s nationality is irrelevant. Mine isn’t.
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nationality and ethnicity are two different things
nationality is just a government issued document.
i don’t think ethnicity will ever become irrelevant, at least not until we’re all so mixed that we have to list a dozen ethnic backgrounds.
i claim irish ancestry first and feel connected to that country.
That's where you get to make a choice
Which national team would you play for? Which team would you want you to play for them? What if you played for one country and for whatever reason had a bad tournament, then played for another country and did well? Accusations of “tanking it” in the first tournament would certainly arise. Basically, a lot of the appeal in these tournaments comes from nationalistic pride, and switching countries, no matter how legitimate the claim, smacks of opportunistic behavior.
Do you really think so?
I can only tell you that knowing how hard it would be for me to choose one country to represent, I would NEVER assume that of a player.
People make all sorts of accusations of baseball players. It doesn’t mean that they’re right, and that the behavior should be prohibited.
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That's what the rules are in soccer
That’s what I know, and that’s what I’m going with, since the World Cup seems like a close enough parallel. You can change which national team you play for, but the move has to be approved and sanctioned by FIFA.
So far though, baseball seems to be very lax about who can play for what team. We’ve talked about A-Rod. Jerry Hairston, Jr. is playing for Mexico, and he didn’t even know he was eligible (the Mexican soccer team, by the way, is furious because it has some nationalized Brazilians on it. El Tri used to make an emphatic point of having only pure Mexicans on it, and a lot of people still cling to that notion.). Chris Denorfia was born in Bristol, CT but can play for Italy.
As the game grows, more Italians might be able to play top-notch baseball. As that happens, nationality requirements might become stricter. Until then, I think baseball is willing to be flexible to field relatively competitive teams from all countries.
It might be interesting if Iran had a team, and then we would see who Yuu Darvish would play for.
Well, these are the IBAF rules
which seem to be overinclusive rather than underinclusive. But it’s just different. It doesn’t have to be like the World Cup.
I think that Japan has its own laws – and Yu had to pick Japan when he was 22. I dunno what the IBAF laws.
Everybody's a jerk. You. Me. This jerk.
But how much does overinclusive
rules on national participation actually color your appreciation of the World Cup? To me, it seems like a strange thing to be so invested in.
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It will definitely get more restrictive when/if this grows
Expediency for the sake of momentum is the guideline d’jour. If the WBC were the same sort of mega-event that the World Cup, or even the Tour de France, then these allegiances and eligibilities would be weighed more carefully.
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by "Red" Moskau on Mar 2, 2009 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
oh, and maybe you wouldn't care if zidane wanted to play for algeria
but the french would have started another war with algeria!
Well, I think I just missed a whole conversation, BUT I do understand you.
I’ve had a lot of folks explain to me patiently and rationally why I am not really “American” despite having grandparents born in the US. I’ve never considered myself anything but American, so I don’t know what other country I would play for. At the same time, I’m aware that if I was on the WBC team for the US, I would hear some Le Pen-esque comments.
I think the whole situation can be royally screwy. One of the most impressive folks I’ve ever met, and a personal hero of mine, was born in Los Angeles to Shi’a Iraqi parents, got his Ph.D. at Oxford, and I met him when he was teaching in Turkey. He’s now living in Spain. He’s proud of being an Angeleno, but I’m not sure if he could pick a passport and be happy with it. Boxes, of any sort, don’t always cut it.
...because there's already someone posing as Jacob Brumfield
funny le pen story that has nothing to do with your comment
once in college i went to Strasbourg for a weekend to go to some birthday party at the university there and i drank waaay too much. the next day i thought i was gonna die as we were touring around Strasbourg and i threw up in a garbage can. then we came to a street and there was a pro-le pen parade marching through it and i puked into it, too. the parade i mean. there were a bunch of anti le pen protesters there and they all clapped when i did it.
yeah, that was pretty obnoxious of me to drink that much. but everyone should get the chance to puke on a le pen parade once in his life.
by Daedalus on Mar 1, 2009 8:20 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
we all make mistakes
i got plastered at 6 at night in Cuba, went down to dinner (it was in our hotel), stood up shouted “FUCK CUBA, FUCK THE ENVIRONMENT, FUCK GEORGE W. BUSH, FUCK YOU ZANE, FUCK YOU SHANNON, I FUCKING HATE YOU JARED, BUT EVAN YOU ARE SUCH A NICE GUY I’M SORRY YOU HAVE TO SEE THIS BUT I FUCKING HATE YOU ZANE, LET’S GO TO THE MELOCON AND BUY SOME WHORES!”
I immediately collapsed at the dinner table. My travel companions tried to carry me up 3 flights of steps, but before we even got to the stairs i threw up on them (one of them was a real asshole), they dropped me in my own vomit, and they got me a bucket. At that time the professor from ONU who traveled with us came in, and was like “So Justin’s drunk”. He immediately bitched out my roommate, but funny story the prof was drunk as shit too.
The hotel staff was just watching me in amazement, I noticed a few more smiles and snickers for the next couple of weeks.
They got me up to my room, and leaned me over the bathtub, figuring my aim wasn’t good enough for the toilet. I vomited for probably about an hour, although it felt like days, crawled to bed, and woke up at 3 AM, with the worst hangover of my life.
The prof threatened to kick me out of Cuba if I did that again.
In my defense that was about the 3rd time I drank heavily, and I was with 4 frat boys, who had years of drinking experience, and I was just trying to keep up. I still have a weak stomach, and it doesn’t take that much to get me sick, even when my tolerance is up.
That is my obnoxious overseas drinking story.
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions!"- Dr. Stephen T. Colbert DFA.
what are your intentions?
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions!"- Dr. Stephen T. Colbert DFA.
Just wanted to see how far you've progressed since your 3rd heavy drinking experience
When you’re finished with all this school stuff…making decisions about whether to become a grad school attendee or maybe choose something a bit more profitable like say, professional bank robbery… I’ll get my buddy Mark and you get a friend and we’ll go out for a few…
With Mark and me that could be a few drinks
or a few bars
or a few consecutive days and nights of drinking in bars.
Nothing earth shattering
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i can drink beer for a long time with little effect
but liquor fucks me up quick.
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions!"- Dr. Stephen T. Colbert DFA.
by justin007000 on Mar 1, 2009 10:13 PM EST up reply actions
i love tequila
i put away the better part of a bottle of tequila two weeks ago, I was hungover for the entire next day…
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions!"- Dr. Stephen T. Colbert DFA.
by justin007000 on Mar 1, 2009 10:21 PM EST up reply actions
i might take up bank robbery
i have yet to get an acceptance letter, I haven’t gotten a rejection letter yet either. Roosevelt and Loyola have been “considering” me few a few weeks now…
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions!"- Dr. Stephen T. Colbert DFA.
by justin007000 on Mar 1, 2009 10:18 PM EST up reply actions
lol
i have a few obnoxious overseas drinking stories. one involves U2. sort of. at this moment i am feeling really sad because i’d had such a great freaking life up to last year, now that i think about it.
Come find me at the Astros game next week
I’ll buy you a beer for that story.
"Sometimes I listen for Griffey’s infectious laugh or Dunn’s humor and wit. But they’re gone." - Dusty
by BK on Mar 1, 2009 9:38 PM EST up reply actions
i'll just walk through tired old ed smith stadium shouting
BK!!!!
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by justin007000 on Mar 1, 2009 10:14 PM EST up reply actions
is it just me, or have i missed "tired old ed smith"
now that they’re leaving. i’ve heard something like “the sunset on sarasota.” i guess marty didn’t know how good he had it until it was gone?
they all say that Sarasota is the place to be
they just want a new stadium.
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions!"- Dr. Stephen T. Colbert DFA.
by justin007000 on Mar 1, 2009 10:20 PM EST up reply actions
are they being gready, or are professional sports teams gready?
I really don’t like publicly financed sports arenas. It is all part of our “race to the bottom”. Whether it is tax cuts for business headquarters, factories, or stadiums, it puts states in competition with each other. That needs to stop, public money doesn’t need to build play pens for billionaires.
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions!"- Dr. Stephen T. Colbert DFA.
by justin007000 on Mar 1, 2009 11:22 PM EST up reply actions
the rest of the world would say to you WTF?
ha ha, no seriously ha ha, but seriously, the reds were gonna pay a shitload of money to renew. but sarasota honestly believed that the red sox were gonna come and they’d hit the motherload. yes, that is greed.
my issue is more about society
we would much rather pay for stadiums than schools.
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions!"- Dr. Stephen T. Colbert DFA.
by justin007000 on Mar 1, 2009 11:55 PM EST up reply actions
well sarasota didn't want to pay for those either
but quite honestly, there aren’t kids in the city to go to school
I'll be there (Sarasota) March 21 - March 28
So if any of you all are around Ed Smith – Just yell “Madville Rules” loudly and I’ll buy you a beer.
BTW Justin – if you’re gonna go out drinking with Mark and me, well we drink beer, ale, gin, tequila, bourbon and almost anything else with a bit of a kick a some alcohol in it. So don’t give me this whiny I only drink beer shit…On a brighter note, a more positive one that is – I am in between Consulting assignments for about 3 weeks and am looking for a good ‘wheel man’ – let me know if you’re up for it, at least I know you’ll be sober.
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i can see it now (keep in mind i am living at home until i go to grad school in the fall)
me: bye mom i’m going out.
mom: where are you going?
me: This 60 year old man I met on the internet needs a designated driver…
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions!"- Dr. Stephen T. Colbert DFA.
by justin007000 on Mar 1, 2009 11:58 PM EST up reply actions
and about my choice of alcohol
i think some of it is chemistry. I have a friend who will be drunk on like 4 beers, but can drink liquor all night. My mom can put away vodka like it is her job, but is drunk on 3 glasses of wine.
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions!"- Dr. Stephen T. Colbert DFA.
by justin007000 on Mar 2, 2009 12:00 AM EST up reply actions
"Stella"

"You never pass up an opportunity to talk to a woman in a red dress." -- Buck O'Neil (1911-2006)
by "Red" Moskau on Mar 2, 2009 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
"Yo, Adriane!"

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by "Red" Moskau on Mar 2, 2009 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
Doesn't everyone have (at least) one of those?
"You never pass up an opportunity to talk to a woman in a red dress." -- Buck O'Neil (1911-2006)
by "Red" Moskau on Mar 2, 2009 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
Thank you and well-said
If my daughter wants to play for Team Israel and then Team USA, have at it. (slight exaggeration, my wife’s of Jewish descent, but not Israeli).
Why make someone choose between mom and dad? Which is really what the choice is when you’re 19-22 years old, not between one nation and another.
"You never pass up an opportunity to talk to a woman in a red dress." -- Buck O'Neil (1911-2006)
by "Red" Moskau on Mar 2, 2009 10:18 AM EST up reply actions
rec'd
nicely framed.
I’m a US-born citizen who’s a tiny fraction Irish…but if Ireland wanted to field a team, and was desperate enough to ask me to play, I’d say HELL YES and work my butt off to win.
I might even hustle.
I laid my bed and I'm going to have to sit on it. - A-Roid the Liar
Then I disagree
The difference you’re talking about doesn’t have anything to do with the US societal view on patriotism, in my opinion. The US Olympic basketball team didn’t have nearly as much trouble getting names like LeBron, Howard, and Bryant as the US WBC team is having getting big names, and I doubt any player turned down the US men’s national soccer team for the upcoming World Cup. It comes down to the importance of the competition, and WBC isn’t even comparable to the World Cup.
In every country in the world, including the US, the World Cup is the grand daddy of competition. Any player would gladly take a World Cup win over winning their domestic championship, any day of the week. Is there any baseball player in America that would take a win in the WBC over a World Series? Of course not. So if you’re an elite American baseball player, and you’re concerned that participating in the WBC jeopardizes your chance to win the most important competition in your sport, then why do it? If you’re from a country that needs to prove it’s legitimacy among baseball nations, like maybe South Africa or the Netherlands, then the WBC is a big deal, but for established baseball powers like the US, what does it mean? You’re not obligated to “serve your country” by playing baseball like you would in the military, because the competition doesn’t really mean anything like fighting a war would. Does anybody look at Cuban baseball differently because they won it in 2006? It’s important to them to prove themselves on an international stage, just as countries like Japan, Venezuela, Panama, and the Dominican Republic do, but does the US have to prove they belong in the baseball world? Absolutely not. The best competition in the world is here, the game was invented here (shut up, Brits), and this country produces elite players year after year. What do they have to prove? If there’s nothing to prove, then why waste your time?
"Sometimes I listen for Griffey’s infectious laugh or Dunn’s humor and wit. But they’re gone." - Dusty
by BK on Mar 1, 2009 6:30 PM EST up reply actions
US Basketball did have a hard time getting the best players for the Olympics or the World Championships for about a decade
Then the rest of the world caught up to us talent-wise, and we went through a long drought, in a number of cases finishing out of the medals. There’s a reason the 2008 Olympic team was called “The Redeem Team.” The US got tired of looking like chumps. Kobe decided to play, they required a lengthy commitment leading up to the Olympics to come together as a team, and basically took the competition seriously. And the team ended up being awesome.
The WBC needs to grow in stature, and we need to care about things like going 1-2 in the round robin rounds and then more of our stars will want to represent the country.
It's going to need to be worth their while
Either lots of embarrassing losses, or significant money attached to it. You can’t count on national pride to provide a compelling reason.
i honestly think there is more interest this year
because finishing sixth last time was embarrassing. a few more six place finishes might help.
but maybe i’ve heard barry say that too many times. the roster the US has now doesn’t seem to show increased interest.
i have a lot less interest in it this time around
the whole thing is just a stupid fabricated waste of time that is going to get major league players injured before the season starts
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by chandrathan on Mar 1, 2009 7:07 PM EST up reply actions
What doesn't help
Is that not enough countries are really interested in baseball. Do I want to watch a Dutch baseball team or South African team? Not particularly, and certainly not in the round of 16. The World Cup is great because of how many countries love the game, and how many are legitimately great at it.
Japan, Cuba, the Dominican Republic, and the USA are all great teams. But the fall off after that is pretty dramatic. The WBC might eventually help to raise the level of interest and competition around the world, but for now… yeah, it’s a little lackluster. Best case scenario is that the sport develops like basketball did. Domestic leagues continue to grow throughout the world, and the field narrows. And like basketball, the best American stars will start to feel compelled to play.
The Olympics happened after a long season. The World Cup happens after most soccer leagues have finished playing (though not MLS). Moving the WBC to December might be a good idea, but it might also require adding a spot or two to MLB rosters. The act of pitching is different than the physical requirements for basketball or soccer, and the regular season is twice as long as basketball’s and about six times as long as soccer’s.
The WBC isn’t a bad idea yet, but it’s still awkward and needs refining. It needs time to grow.
but the thing is that it is growing in popularity
or was, until it was ripped from the olympics. european teams like czech republic, slovakia, and croatia, to name a few, are starting to become noticed. if you really look, you’ll notice the increase in slavic names throughout the minor leagues. it’s like when the wall fell, baseball came in.
most people don’t realize that not having the game in the olympics is killing the fledgling sport in a lot of countries, because these programs depend on national funding to stay alive.
you’re right. we just have to be patient. baseball is a beautiful game and it will grow with time. that’s why i think the WBC is the best thing to happen to the game. i think we’ll eventually get it figured out.
the best thing to happen to the game?
You really are drinking the kool-aid
i feel sorry for you
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by chandrathan on Mar 1, 2009 7:31 PM EST up reply actions
Where they don't like Americans who are rude and arrogant?
by Brendanukkah on Mar 1, 2009 7:42 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
you are the one that said you "felt sorry" for 'than because he didn't like something that you like
that’s kind of arrogant.
"How big IS your magic wand?"
so other countries don't like 'than?
I can believe that.
but that wasn’t the point.
"How big IS your magic wand?"
i feel sorry for you
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by chandrathan on Mar 1, 2009 8:42 PM EST up reply actions
i'm sorry
i blame it on my education level…i got married too early
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by chandrathan on Mar 1, 2009 9:12 PM EST up reply actions
I don't know if the fall off after USA/Cuba/Japan is that dramatic
Korea, Mexico, Venezuela and probably others I’m forgetting are good enough to make it interesting, especially in a short series. Even Canada has guys that can rake. If the WBC succeeds, in 30 years several other countries could have competitive teams.
Vocal minority?
Just tossing an idea out there. Those that do serve don’t trumpet it as much?
That said, I’m a proponent of a national service requirement of some sort. Not MILITARY service, just service. I’d rather no one gets forced into military service as it has been demonstrated to drag unit performance and morale down. One year or 18 months of giving to the greater good isn’t too much to ask for. Lotta’ messy details to work out, but the returns would be worth it. Clean forests, serve soup, teach a class— I don’t care what you do, just do it for a year at a living wage for someone/something other than yourself. Then let your capitalistic tendencies go crazy!
"You never pass up an opportunity to talk to a woman in a red dress." -- Buck O'Neil (1911-2006)
by "Red" Moskau on Mar 2, 2009 10:12 AM EST up reply actions
Great idea
Tie service with tuition payments, like a civilian GI Bill, and you might not need to make it mandatory.
ESPECIALLY if you're getting federal aid for college education
"You never pass up an opportunity to talk to a woman in a red dress." -- Buck O'Neil (1911-2006)
by "Red" Moskau on Mar 2, 2009 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
I agree!
There’s lots of work to be done. Additionally, I think it would be great for 18 year olds to have a bit of a break from whatever parental or internal pressures they might be feeling to have a career and get ahead in the world.
Everybody's a jerk. You. Me. This jerk.
There's a lot of movie material in this idea, 'kah
"You never pass up an opportunity to talk to a woman in a red dress." -- Buck O'Neil (1911-2006)
by "Red" Moskau on Mar 2, 2009 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
Fidel
He looks good at the plate but not much speed on the base paths.
but he is a pitcher.
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions!"- Dr. Stephen T. Colbert DFA.
A pitcher who can hit?
Or a potential Left Fielder?
I laid my bed and I'm going to have to sit on it. - A-Roid the Liar
Here's a shot of Fidel playing while he was in college, at the plate....
One of the reasons he never got the call to play at MLB/Minor League level was his refusal to wear the club uniform.

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