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2009 World Baseball Classic: Overview and Pool A Preview

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I realized the other day that I don't know a lot about the upcoming WBC, and that's really limiting my anticipation and potential enjoyment. I'll likely be rooting for the South Korean team, but I didn't know a whole lot about them. I also wanted an excuse to do research on South African baseball.

This is the overview of the format and rules, along with a preview of Pool A. A is not for Asia, but it might as well be, because that's what it is.

Since this is the asian pool, I have been a bit schizophrenic with the whole family name-first name order thing. I've tended to put the family name first, with the exception of a few players well known in the US (e.g. Ichiro Suzuki), so if you don't recognize a player's name, assume that the family name comes first.

I will be doing previews of the other pools - likely in order. Obviously, if someone wants to do a better job than me (either on a specific team, or Pool) , that would be perfectly fine. If someone wants to do a better job than me for this post, that's fine as well.

Lastly: I don't want to be sanctimonious, but I know it's hard for a lot of people to understand that Asian-people jokes are still racist. I don't care if you make them, but at least try to make them funny.

Star-divide

In General: So it's the world baseball classic. What about it? Inaugural event was in 2006, and after 2009 it will only be held every four years. Why did they hold it in 2009 and not 2010? I don't know. Maybe to avoid proximity to the winter olympics. The field, currently sitting at 16, may expand to 24 countries in 2013.

It is sort of special because Major League players get to play for their home countries. Except Cuban defectors.

 

The format: The teams are divided into four pools, for the first round

Pool A: China, Chinese Taipei, Japan, South Korea (First round games played in the Tokyo Dome in (you guessed it) Tokyo, Japan

Pool B:Australia, Cuba, Mexico, South Africa (Foro Sol, Mexico City, Mexico)

Pool C: Canada, Italy, United States, Venezuala (Rogers Centre, Toronto, Canada)

Pool D: Dominican Republic, Netherlands, Panama, Puerto Rico (Estadio Hiram Bithorn, San Juan, Puerto Rico)

 

*Trivia: Estadio Hiram Bithorn is named for the first Puerto Rican to play in the major leagues: Hiram Bithorn joined the Chicago Cubs in 1942. Bithorn, who fought for the US military in WWII, was shot and killed by a police officer in 1951, who tried to argue that Bithorn was part of a communist cell. That was bullshit, though, and that guy went to jail.

Foro Sol, in a more US tradition, is named after beer.

 

Each pool plays double elimination, which is a change from 2006 – which used round robin in the first round. Therefore, each team is only guaranteed two games. This change was used to eliminate the strange tie-breaker rules. The top two teams in each pool will be shuffled into new pools for the second round: Pools A and B become Pool 1, Pools C and D become (in a shocking turn of events) Pool 2. Pool 1 games will be played in PETCO Park, and Pool 2 games will be played in Dolphin Stadium.

Round 2 is, again, double elimination, and the top two teams head into the finals in which the top team from one pool will play the runner-up from other pool. The finals will be held in Dodger Stadium.

 

Rules of Note:

Pitch Limits: In round 1 games, each pitcher will be limited to 70 pitches, in round 2, 80and in the finals, 100. These are all five pitch increases from the 2006 limits. Pitchers can finish the plate appearance if they hit the limit in the middle of one.

Pitcher Limits: If a pitcher throws 30 or more pitches in a game, he is ineligible to pitch the next day. Additionally, any pitcher who throws 30 or more pitches in a semifinal is ineligible to pitch in the final (The semifinals and final are on three consecutive days, which would give the winner of the first semifinal game an advantage without this rule)

Instant Replay: Will be available for home run decisions

Extra Innings: After 12 innings, each half inning will start with runners on first and second. - these runners will be the 8th and 9th hitters due up in that inning.

I'm also assuming un-changed rules from the 2006 Classic will be in place:

Mercy Rule: A Game will be called if a team is winning by 10 after 7 innings, or by 15 after 5 innings.

Also: If a pitcher throws 50 or more pitches in a game, he is ineligible to pitch for four days, and if a player pitches on 2 consecutive days, he is ineligible to pitch on the next day.

Also: The designated hitter. Yuck.


Watching the WBC: Games (Every game?) will be televised on ESPN, ESPN2, or the MLB Network (Schedule: http://web.worldbaseballclassic.com/schedule/). You can also get a special mlb.tv subscription that covers all Round 1 and 2 games (Plus the finals if you live outside the US)


Pool A:

China

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2006 Performance: Lost all three first round games and did not advance to round 2.

 

2009 Outlook: So China has never exactly been a baseball superpower, maybe partly because Chairman Mao banned the sport in the 1960's. China did get a professional league in this millenium, thanks to American backers, and has been steadily improving – although clearly they still have room to grow. They were expectedly sort of bad in 2006, but in the 2008 Olympics they beat Chinese Taipei (their biggest rivals), who beat them 12-3 in the 2006 Classic, and took eventual gold-medal winners South Korea into extra innings. Wang Wei, a catcher who hit the first home run of the WBC in 2006 (against Japan) will not be playing, injured after running into Matt LaPorta in the Olympics. China does have some players who are up and coming prospects from MLB, who I'll talk about later. China will show improved play this year, (they were outscored 30-6 in their three games in 2006), it's still unlikely they'll make it out of the first round.

 

2009 Players to watch: Liu Kai, LHP, and Zhang Zhenwang, C, are both 21 year old Yankees prospects signed in the summer of 2007. They haven't played in any minor leagues since then, and one source says the yankees have kept them in extended spring training. Prior to signing with the Yankees, Zhang's China Baseball League team, the Tianjin Lions won the league in 2002, 2006, 2007, and were runners up in 03-05. (Side note: 5 of the 6 teams in the CBL have ordinary, predictable animal names – Tigers, Lions, Dragons – except the Hopestars. What are hopestars?) Liu Kai joined the CBL as a 16 year old. IF Ray Chang, 25, was undrafted out of college, is currently in the Pirates system, and has played as high as AAA.

 

Chinese Taipei (This is Taiwan, in case one was confused)

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2006 Performance: Went 1-2 in Round 1, did not advance to Round 2.

 

2009 Outlook: Did you know that CBL teams will not let their Taiwanese players play for Taipei in the WBC? That's mean. Seriously, way to embrace the spirit of international sportsmanship, China. China is also the reason that Taiwan competes as Chinese Taipei. Why this is less offensive, I do not know, being culturally insensitive. In any case, like in 2006, Taiwan's biggest MLB star, Wang Chien-Ming, will not be playing. But unlike in 2006, neither will Kuo Hong-Chih, a left-handed relieved, who struck out 96 in 80 innings for the Dodgers in 2008, or Hu Ching-Lung, who is competing to be the Dodger's back infielder this spring (Hu hit .325/.364/.507 between AA and AAA in 2007). However, unlike China, Chinese Taipei has a wealth of other American minor league players on their WBC roster. They also have Lin Yueh-ping who is one of the fastest throwers in the CPBL (Taiwan's highest league), who's been clocked at 96 mph. Unfortunately, like China, Chinese Taipei is just a bit outclassed in Pool A by South Korea and Japan.

 

2009 Players to Watch: Amongst the plethora of low-level minor leaguers is our own Kuo Yen-Wen (Possible related to an oracular pig?) who hit 281/327/333 in the Gulf Coast League in 2008. Chen Hung-Wen is a RHP in the Cubs organization (split last year between A and A+), and Ni Fu-Te, who got the win for the Tigers in yesterday's spring training game after retiring 3 batters in the 8th. Lin Che-Hsuan is a Red Sox prospect who hit a 2 run HR in the All Star Futures game last year. Sickels ranks him 17th in Boston's system with a C+ grade

 

Japan

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2009 Performance: Champions! Go them! Yes, as it turns out, Japan is pretty good at this, and Japanese people really like-a the baseball. (Why was this in an faked Italian accent? It's a mystery)

 

2009 Outlook: Good. Japan is returning many of its big name players, and added a young superstar. They aren't being managed by Oh Sadaharu, Japan's home run champion, who has retired for health reasons. Some of the players have merely relocated to the US since 2006 (Matsuzaka Daisuke, Fukudome Kosuke, Iwamura Akinori). The Mariners' catcher Kenji Johjima is also joining Team Japan this year. Japan will miss Uehara Koji, who struck out 16 in 17 innings with a 1.59 ERA in the last WBC, Satozaki Tomoya who was named the catcher to the 2006 All-WBC Team, and Matsunaka Nobuhiko, a 1B, who was the only man to win the NPB triple crown. It's also true that Japan lost three games in the 2006 Classic (2 to South Korea and 1 to the US). However, Japan has great pitching, and I would consider them favorites from Pool A, if not to win.

 

2009 Players to Watch: Top of this list has to be Yu Darvish, a young Iranian-Japanese pitcher in the Japanese major leagues (NPB- Nippon Professional Baseball). At 22 years of age, Darvish is already a superstar, having pitched 652.1 innings in NPB, with 585 Ks and a 2.33 cumulative ERA. He won the Sawamura Award (NPB's best pitcher award which predates the Cy Young) in 2007, and met all of the award's seven criteria again in 2008, but Iwakuma Hisashi, who only met 6 criteria, but led the league in 3 categories, was given the award. Iwakuma is also pitching for Japan in the WBC. Also, the "Yu Darvish Water Fund...offers the construction of wells, installment and maintenance of well pumps and construction or installment of rain water storage in developing countries." (Wiki), and that is seriously the best celebrity charity I've heard of. ESPN did a pretty good (if ESPN-y) story on him. (here). Also: hot.

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Daisuke Matsuzaka, the 2006 WBC MVP, is also returning, now with US fame from the Boras-RedSox-posting-signing Circus and from the two years he's pitched for Boston, really finding his groove in 2008, going 18-3 with a 159 ERA+.

 

Ichiro Suzuki: You may or may not know this, but there are some seriously unhappy feelings between Japan and South Korea. Empress Myeongseong, comfort women, 'cultural genocide', etc. (I may be biased on these points...) Mostly water under the bridge, older Koreans still really hate the Japanese, yadayadayada, people are sensitive...and Ichiro, god bless him, was mistranslated in 2006 as saying he wanted "to beat South Korea so badly, that the South Koreans won't want to play Japan for another 30 years." What he actually said was probably something along the lines that he wanted to win so hard that the other teams in the Asian pool wouldn't think they could compete with Japan for the next 30 years. It was sort of a silly controversy. At most I would say that it's not exactly in keeping with the spirit of international competition (which is evidently a phrase I really like). But hey, maybe he'll say something actually offensive this year! I know I'm hoping so.

 

South Korea

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2006 Performance: Lost to Japan in the semi-final, after going undefeated in Rounds 1 and 2. (BTW, meeting a team from your Pool in the semis is now impossible). Technically came in 3rd place, even though there was no 3rd place game – there was some strange tiebreaker rule that I can't find.

 

2009 Outlook: South Korea won the Gold medal in the 2008 Olympics, which has them pretty excited about their chances. Of course, without MLB players, the Olympic teams from the USA, Canada, and many other teams were handicapped to greater extent than the Koreans team. Still, they were undefeated, and won over a solid Cuban team in the final. But the strength of the 2006 WBC team was its pitching, and the korean team has lost Park Chan-Ho (Phillies, 2006 All-WBC pitcher), Seo Jae, and Koo Dae-Sung, three of its leading pitchers from the 2006 WBC. Other 2006 All-WBC team members 1B Lee Seung-Yeop and OF Lee Jong Beom are also notably missing. Also, Kim Byung-Yung of MLB failure fame is not on the team's final roster. But 1B Kim Tae-Kyun lead the Korean league in home runs with 31 last season, Lee Dae-Ho is a pitcher-turned-3B/DH who won the Korean batting triple crown in 2006. Almost guaranteed to proceed to round 2, they also have a good chance of making it to the semifinals out of Pool 1 – against what is likely going to be Japan, Mexico, and Cuba – three teams that Korea has beat in various international competitions before.

 

2009 Players to watch: Choo Shin-Soo is the obvious choice to keep your eye on. Traded to the Indians for Ben Broussard in July 2006, he had 317 major league at bats in 2008, OPSing .870 with 17 HRS, and winning the extremely prestigious AL September Player of the Month award. Note: South Korea still has compulsory military service for young men (to my knowledge, a lot of it now is in a police-type function). In 2006, the government granted an out from service to any person WBC player. They have specifically declined to do so again this year – so Choo is going to have to head back to the Land of the Morning Calm one of these days, and the Indians can't really do anything about this.

 

He hardly counts, but Bong Jung-Keun pitched 15 innings for the Reds in 2004, but he had an ERA of 2.66 with the LG Twins in 2008.

 

I'm cheering for Kim Kwang-Hyun, only 20 years old, who went 14 innings in the Beijing Olympics while only allowing 2 ER. I also found this quote about him on Wiki - "In 1994, he led his team to the first national championship ever, pitching four-consecutive complete game victories in the tournament with a 0.96 ERA, and was named MVP." That's a serious pee-wee-league pedigree. Ryu Hyun-Jin is just a year older, but won the KBO (Korean Baseball Organization) pitching triple crown, MVP and rookie of the year in 2006.

 

A few last notes on Pool A: It's unfortunate that Wang, Kuo, and Hu c/wouldn't play for Taiwan this year, I think it would've given them a chance for an upset. Otherwise, I think Korea and Japan have a pretty easy shot to Round 2, and will likely fare well in Pool 1 against Cuba and Mexico. I realize I have a lot more information on them than on China or Taiwan, which is at least in part due to the fact that it's a lot harder to get info on players from those countries.

(Also, I cannot for the life of me get the crap at the beginning of the entry to go away without disrupting the formating, could a mod fix that for me?)

 

Sources:

wikipedia

mlb's wbc page

gunaxin

big league stew

mister baseball

 

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by BK on Feb 26, 2009 6:29 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Wow ! alot o' work and a lot to learn

I do however happen to personally know Yu Darvish, that is if you want an introduction…..

So we have pool A here – who’s going to emerge as the winner
When are you doing the other 3 pools – and is Michael Phelps in one of them………..

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by Madville on Feb 26, 2009 6:41 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Phelps would definitely be in a Madville/Petey pool.

How fast can one swim in bong water?

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by PeteyHendrix on Feb 26, 2009 6:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

This is like the best RR post ever

I’m serious. Thanks for taking the time to do it. I usually don’t go to bed until about 4am these days, so I think I’m going to be watching the Asian pool this year. I love the enthusiasm. I’m looking forward someday to going to Japan to watch baseball. Oh, and also to see all of the cool stuff and eat good food and all. But hey, baseball, and a country that cares.

I am soooo pumped for the WBC. I’m getting MLB.TV just to watch it.



And Yu Darvish is hot. Iranian-Japanese? I bet there aren’t too many of those in the world.

by Daedalus on Feb 26, 2009 7:56 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

outside of James Bond films

There's action across the street. It's Snowman! Take him!

by Man Mountain on Feb 26, 2009 8:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

this pretty much kicks ass.

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by Slyde on Feb 26, 2009 8:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yu Darvish

is unbelievably hot. He looks like an anime baseball player, I swear.

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by BubbaFan on Feb 26, 2009 9:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

We totally need to find that nude/semi-nude photo shoot he did and whip it out whenever

the boys get on their Megan Fox kicks.

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by andromache on Feb 26, 2009 9:45 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

ha, funny story about megan fox

the number one referrer to red reporter is a microsoft live search for megan fox pictures. so, those megan fox kicks got Petey Hendrix a Josh Roenicke jersey and could possibly get one of you a fabulous prize package later on in the season.

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by Slyde on Feb 26, 2009 9:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks, Slyde - I received the package

but I think Megan likes me better without it.

The jersey, I mean.

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by PeteyHendrix on Feb 27, 2009 1:32 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Megan's looking anorexic

I prefer Saeko

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by Madville on Feb 27, 2009 1:39 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I hear ya.

Anorexic ain’t sexy.

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by PeteyHendrix on Feb 27, 2009 1:50 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

My millions are unconventional!

by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 27, 2009 10:39 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Just not sure men can

have there cake and eat it too. I mean, we have an unrealistic expectation for what women should look like and then we blame women who use eating disorders to try and look like that.

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by Verka Serduchka on Feb 27, 2009 10:46 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i don't blame women with eating disorders

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by chandrathan on Feb 27, 2009 11:23 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think we have unrealistic expectations for women's appearances

I think the fashion magazines that are predominantly run by gay men have collectively nurtured a media template of a “homo skinny”, breastless woman, because that’s what they find sexy themselves. Add in that media monoliths such as Howard Stern are extroverted broadcasters in part as a function of their own self-loathing, hyper-critical self-images, and you have women constantly being told to lose weight.

That said, when I visit Ohio, I rarely find myself saying, “Wow, she needs a burger.” Out here in LA, I have found myself leaning over toward my wife while looking at a too-skinny gal and suggesting “I’ll get some food, you get a funnel. We’ll hold her down until she’s human again.”

Once at a Hollywood party I saw a rocketship of a gal in a dress that can only be described as “high-end advertising.” She was eating a piece of chocolate cake. I commented too loudly to my friend that she was gonna go throw that up in a minute. She heard me, and was happy to report with a smile that, no, she wouldn’t have to, as she was lucky enough to have some great genetics that precluded bulimia. I realized then that I had stumbled upon an excellent pickup line for these occasions.

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by PeteyHendrix on Feb 27, 2009 1:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Only if you're hitting on a navigator.

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by andromache on Feb 27, 2009 5:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Look Out "Red" Moskau

I miss the old days of the internet when men were men, hot girls were middle aged men, and hot uderage girls were FBI agents.....

by jch24 on Feb 27, 2009 5:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Try it like this:

“There is no way you’re not gonna go throw that up in a minute, so don’t think you’re fooling anybody.”

Then walk away and don’t look back. It also doesn’t hurt to take away whatever she’s eating and finish it yourself.

My go-to line is…“Hey, you’re almost good enough to date me.” You have to not just sound dismissive, but actually believe it. And then you have to have the fortitude to stay within 20 feet, within clear eyeline, and not look at her again until she comes to you. This is shockingly effective.

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by PeteyHendrix on Feb 27, 2009 6:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think blaming this on gay men is useful.

This was a problem long before gay men were allowed to be out and in charge of anything. And Howard Stern is but a mouthpiece for a greater culture that puts unreasonable pressure on women (and men) to conform to rarely attainable standards of beauty.

My problem here is that we participate in perpetuating patriarchal culture and then instead of criticizing this culture as a whole, we blame the women who are trying to survive in it.

Tanzen!

by Verka Serduchka on Feb 27, 2009 6:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't blame gay men to disparrage them,

but they were in charge of photography, layout, fashion, choreography, and much more before they were “out”. It doesn’t take many casting sessions of ultra-skinny women by a few high-end designers to skew the rationale of the entire fashion industry. None of my gay friends even disagree with my point, and I’ve worked at companies where heterosexuals were by far the minority.

This is not a slam on gays, but well-informed observation.

Howard is a mouthpiece for himself, not influenced nor speaking for anyone. But he has tremendous influence on his sycophantic audience.

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by PeteyHendrix on Feb 27, 2009 6:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

And the fact that his audience is so willing to follow...

is no comment on society?

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by andromache on Feb 27, 2009 6:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree that it is.

Sheep. Lemmings. Parrots.

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by PeteyHendrix on Feb 27, 2009 6:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Who owns the magazines?

Who controls the images we see and what are their interests?

Just thinking of a random fashion magazine, cosmo popped into my head. They are owned by the Hearst company. Here is there CEO and board of trustees:








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by Verka Serduchka on Feb 27, 2009 6:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The owners/board of a magazine

are far different than the folks who choose who goes on the covers, who walks the runways, who models the newest designs, and everything else that actually goes into the magazine’s content. The suits you show are profit-seeking paper-pushers, not creative types. I’ve actually worked with one the folks you pictured here, and I had plenty of disagreements with him. I actually called him out on things a couple of times, once when I felt he was unfairly picking on a fat female co-worker.

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by PeteyHendrix on Feb 27, 2009 6:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I can agree with that to a certain extent

but I still find it troublesome that in the end these are the people funding the images we are consuming. In the end they get to decide what “creativity” and what a “women” is. And it is not just Cosmo they own but Seventeen and Good House Keeping and many others (Interestingly enough that also includes ESPN).

My question is how would media funded and made by all different types of women for all different types of women be different? If women controlled the media would we still be dealing with an epidemic of eating disorders?

I plan on ending my participation in this conversation here, but feel free to respond.

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by Verka Serduchka on Feb 27, 2009 7:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think it would be different

Due to a fluke, I have a lot of friends who are writers. Science fiction and fantasy writers, TV and movie screenwriters, romance writers, graphic novel writers, etc. Many of them do several of those. (It ain’t easy to make a living as a writer these days.)

Romances, which are written and read largely by women, were edited by men for the longest time. That was why so many of the covers featured gorgeous women with huge boobs popping out of their clothes. That was what the male editors and art directors wanted to see, and they didn’t seem to realize that the women the books were supposedly aimed at didn’t really like those covers.

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by BubbaFan on Feb 27, 2009 7:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with what troubles you.

I don’t have answers, but I’m pretty quick to throw blame around.

I think BF’s interesting comment below is an inverted parallel to my earlier point: Men are by nature attracted to women who appear to be healthy, young, and fertile (hips and chesticles). Healthy can mean anywhere from slender to voluptuous, with obese or fat being outside of the healthy range that attracts men biologically.

But if you have men (and self-loathing women) – who aren’t attracted to women – but are nonetheless picking the “ideal” woman type that you see on magazine stands in magazines (which are aimed exclusively toward women), you’re going to get a very altered view of the female form. I believe that this has been an increasing trend over decades, and it pisses me off. Not that I mind women watching their weight, but ultra-skinny chicks ain’t sexy to straight guys. If you polled men in the mid-nineties to find who the sexiest woman alive was, you’d get a whole lot more votes for Carmen Electra and Pam Anderson than Kate Moss. Selma Hayak? Oh, yes. Kiera Knightly? Uh, no.

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by PeteyHendrix on Feb 27, 2009 7:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Biologically?
Healthy can mean anywhere from slender to voluptuous, with obese or fat being outside of the healthy range that attracts men biologically.

I think that’s wrong. There are certainly some elements of beauty that are universal. Youth, symmetry, a certain waist-to-hip ratio. But there’s huge variation in ideal weight (and breast size). Remember Rubens?

Fat used to be a sign of wealth, and thus was highly attractive.

In ancient Hawaii, attractive women were supposed to be heavy. Royal women would suffer for beauty just as much as today’s supermodels…only they would eat all they could, then get special massages that were supposed enable them to eat more.

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by BubbaFan on Feb 27, 2009 8:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

But the fact that men's ultimate preferences

lie with women with large breasts and tiny waists isn’t really helping your case. Trust me, for some of us – Salma Hayek is as an unreasonable body image to aspire to as Keira Kneightley is. The problem, I think, is that there’s ANY ideal body image.

Young men have lots of different role models: presidents, actors, athletes. A lot of them are overweight, a lot of them are ugly. While many young female celebrities are smart, vibrant role models – none of them are ugly. (at least thhe way, say, Adam Sandler is ugly.)

It’s so easy for a girl to assume that her looks are the most important thing about her. And no matter what she thinks she needs looks like, that’s wrong.

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by andromache on Feb 27, 2009 8:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Welcome to RedReporter!

Where we’re worldly and diverse enough to go from a baseball tournament discussion to a debate regarding cross-cultural, generational body images and their genetic and social causes in a media-based society…all within the confines of a 70 comment thread!

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by PeteyHendrix on Feb 27, 2009 9:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Whereas at Bleed Cubbie Blue

It takes them 70 comments just to spell “Samardzija” correctly.

by Brendanukkah on Feb 27, 2009 9:13 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Let's get some tacos.

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by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 28, 2009 12:37 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

ashley simpson was ugly

but she took care of that

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by chandrathan on Feb 28, 2009 7:19 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

And I respect you for defending gays in any form in an Ohio-based thread.

The world will be a better place when what people do in their private lives is not used to pre-judge, alienate and segregate homosexuals. It will also be better once we return to more natural, shapely women as the ideal female shape in our culture…ala Playboy 1975.

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by PeteyHendrix on Feb 27, 2009 6:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I've been 'guilty' of posting 'sexy' women images at RR

and I think it IS weird that we (guys) find that practice OK but get all upset over perceived racial and ethnic improprieties.

Of course as young man (before I had my conversion) I was a young half black-half Asian gay runway model….before my rock career got off the ground

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by Madville on Feb 28, 2009 12:19 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well guilty is too strong

cause I like pretty women, in fact I find most women attractive, in fact just about all women that I run into personally or visually attract me…except of course transvestites…

well anyway this person man or women is not that attractive…I’ll just shut up and go drop a tab

肏你祖宗十八代 - and your sister too !

by Madville on Feb 28, 2009 12:42 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

psst... is that Marilyn Manson?

People Don't Kill People. Burning Couches Kill People.

by crolfer on Mar 1, 2009 10:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Don't look, crolfer.

It can only stunt your growth.

I laid my bed and I'm going to have to sit on it. - A-Roid the Liar

by PeteyHendrix on Mar 2, 2009 3:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Did you have any luck with your computer?

Should we expect a review of the GM game? Hope I didn’t give bad advice and cause a fire.

I miss the old days of the internet when men were men, hot girls were middle aged men, and hot uderage girls were FBI agents.....

by jch24 on Feb 27, 2009 9:30 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The game is so not user-friendly that I have barely touched it.

And the online manual doesn’t exist, despite their claims. And it’s so unpopular that I can’t find user guides or walkthroughs on the web.

I have left it merely on the wife’s computer, rather than upgrade. A buddy is going to gift me a video card, so perhaps I’ll pursue this again mid-season. Thanks for the help.

I laid my bed and I'm going to have to sit on it. - A-Roid the Liar

by PeteyHendrix on Feb 27, 2009 6:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well, when you whip out the picture of Yu whipping it out

The guys can counter-attack with Mrs. Darvish, Japanese actress Saeko.

Oh yeah, and Wikipedia says that Yu Darvish is a week older than me. I am a colossal failure.

"Sometimes I listen for Griffey’s infectious laugh or Dunn’s humor and wit. But they’re gone." - Dusty

by BK on Feb 26, 2009 10:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hey

You’ve got a week to catch up!

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Feb 26, 2009 10:13 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Now that you mention it....

肏你祖宗十八代 - and your sister too !

by Madville on Feb 27, 2009 1:40 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

is this a good place to say that...

the more from around RR and around SB Nation thing at the end of each post is annoying?

by Daedalus on Feb 26, 2009 8:01 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

really?

I’ve grown to like them and I’ve actually clicked to other sites more than I ever have. I thought they were annoying at first, but they are starting to blend in except when I’m interested in seeing what else is being written on the subject.

"How big IS your magic wand?"

by Slyde on Feb 26, 2009 8:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm gonna agree with D

They are annoying…I don’t wanna read other blogs

Made from 100% recycled awesome,

by chandrathan on Feb 26, 2009 8:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

just Bleed Cubbie Blue, or whatever its called...

"aw....c'mon. That's suck! I heard Coldplay on WARM98" obc son(after watching the band win Best Rock Grammy)

by obc2 on Feb 26, 2009 8:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm gonna agree with Slyde.

I glance at ‘em occasionally and I click on ’em occasionally but if I don’t I don’t. It’s no biggie. it’s not as if they’re poking me in my nostril with a vinegar stick.

"Dr. Two-Brains has a strange name because he does have two brains but he's not really a doctor. He just steals cheese."

by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 27, 2009 10:01 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think we had the same babysitter growing up

I miss the old days of the internet when men were men, hot girls were middle aged men, and hot uderage girls were FBI agents.....

by jch24 on Feb 27, 2009 10:03 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

is that an air nozzle inside the baseball?

There's action across the street. It's Snowman! Take him!

by Man Mountain on Feb 26, 2009 8:30 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Totally sweet

Can’t wait for the rest.

by teb7 on Feb 26, 2009 9:21 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Speaking of Asian jokes

Is it a coincidence that the ad for KoreanCupid.Com is right next to this post?

Disclaimer – No racisim intended!

by D-Rock on Feb 26, 2009 9:28 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I've been getting the half-Japanese, half-Iranian ads...

care to switch?

...because there's already someone posing as Jacob Brumfield

by Cy Schourek on Feb 26, 2009 9:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

(insert lame jch comment about FF and AdBlock)

Oh, sorry. I channeled chan-than for a second.

I miss the old days of the internet when men were men, hot girls were middle aged men, and hot uderage girls were FBI agents.....

by jch24 on Feb 27, 2009 9:32 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The q is what's getting you rec'd here.

I miss the old days of the internet when men were men, hot girls were middle aged men, and hot uderage girls were FBI agents.....

by jch24 on Feb 27, 2009 11:26 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

rec'd

for persistence

Made from 100% recycled awesome,

by chandrathan on Feb 28, 2009 7:21 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

actually it can

You can tell FF adblock plus to block pretty much any page element.

by Red Menace on Mar 2, 2009 3:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well done

I hadn’t heard that Ichiro rumor but I’m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt that he was misquoted. His true contempt is reserved for the NL.

Also, not to steal any thunder from your next preview but it looks like Jose Guillen will not participate in the WBC because he tried to channel his inner Kremchek, with predictable results (HT to eastwindupchronicle).

by ken on Feb 26, 2009 11:34 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Ichiro

says the most outrageous things. I honestly wouldn’t be surprised at anything he said.

When I was in college, one of my closest friends was of Korean ancestry. Her roommate was of Japanese ancestry. They were both American and got along great, but my friend’s mom was horrified that her daughter had a Japanese roommate, and would call up weekly to demand that she move out.

Japanese aren’t too keen on Koreans, either. It’s become pretty obvious from linguistic and DNA studies that Japan was settled at least partly by Koreans, but it’s a very controversial idea in Japan.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Feb 27, 2009 12:12 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'd like to think that the Japan-Korea relationship has gotten a lot better

and that the race wars are now mostly fought between the countries’ respective Greatest Generations. There are some positive signs, like the popularity of Korean soap stars in Japan. If anything I think a shared fear of Chinese hegemony will foster a closer relationship.

But Japan could make it a lot easier if it owned up to what happened during the war. The bombs have a funny way of imposing select amnesia on Japan when it comes to wartime events.

by ken on Feb 27, 2009 12:31 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Did a Joint Naval Exercise in '93

(Not that kind of joint, Mads)

RIMPAC is kind of a scrimmage game— on one side, elements of the US 3rd Fleet out of the West Coast bases and Pearl Harbor along with Canadian units and, at least in ’93, British units; on the other side, elements of the US 7th Fleet (largely out of Japan) and Japanese and South Korean forces. Given the animosity between the Japanese and South Korean forces, it was a divided locker room— think Bonds – Kent. On this occasion, the Japanese operated with the aircraft carrier on our “team”, the USS Independence. My ship was designated to operate with the Korean ships. At no time did the Japanese and Korean ships directly interact, including the perfunctory close-formation photographs that are taken during these events. There were separate photos for our side.

Side note: during the kick-off reception in South Korea, following the “polite” toasts, the youngest and oldest officers from each navy were called on to uphold the pride of their country— by downing a water glass full of soju (sp? pronounced so-JEW), a clear distilled spirit of Korean origins. I suspect that it is used as coolant in Hyundais, also. Yours truly was the pup for the US of A and fulfilled my duty, despite my Executive Officer claiming that I “didn’t have to.” Yeah, right.
My vision returned within 3 days. Judge for yourself whether permanent damage was done.

"You never pass up an opportunity to talk to a woman in a red dress." -- Buck O'Neil (1911-2006)

by "Red" Moskau on Feb 27, 2009 6:08 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I abhorred RIMPAC

I was stationed at Hickam and worked in the FISC building on Pearl Harbor. Driving to work was like a damned video game when everyone came in to dock.

Oh, and soju is some harsh stuff.

I miss the old days of the internet when men were men, hot girls were middle aged men, and hot uderage girls were FBI agents.....

by jch24 on Feb 27, 2009 9:37 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I imagine it was

My one visit to Pearl and I was too f***ing tired to make anything of it— my one true regret from my time in the fleet. I was Navigator and we could not get a fix during the entire piloting exercise coming in— a true nightmare. Our OPS boss was revealed once and for all for the true babbling idiot that he was, so I had to assume his training team and rebuild it for the inspection scheduled for the trip home from Pearl. Add on that I was MWR officer and RIMPAC festivities were scheduled for every hour of every day… not a pretty time for me.

Only thing harsher than soju: something called “habu sake” (HAH-boo saw-KAY) at a local place outside the base in Yokosuka. It was kept in a bell jar, was also a clear spirit, and a coiled cobra was kept in the jar like it was embalming fluid. Nasty stuff, but a true caveman-like military-fraternity test of manhood.

"You never pass up an opportunity to talk to a woman in a red dress." -- Buck O'Neil (1911-2006)

by "Red" Moskau on Feb 27, 2009 9:51 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

This is pr'cool.
the youngest and oldest officers from each navy were called on to uphold the pride of their country

I’m assuming that the tradition exists in part so that the youngest fella can pass on his perspective on the experience to his peers and contemporaries. And here you are blogging about it.

Old people rock.

"Dr. Two-Brains has a strange name because he does have two brains but he's not really a doctor. He just steals cheese."

by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 27, 2009 10:05 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes old people DO rock hard

Middle aged people do Dave Mathews (love Dave)
the college + set play Cold Play (Keepin’ the tradition)
and the kids are still ‘Bumpin it’ (From Robert Johnson to Paper Trail, real American Music)
BTW:
I served in the Psychedelic Wars and was award the Joint Space and Recreation Medal

肏你祖宗十八代 - and your sister too !

by Madville on Feb 27, 2009 11:05 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Damn. I walked right into that one.

Let me augment my praise of the broken hippers by again quoting the astute and canny young stud Han Solo. As he once told that whack job from the desert caves:

“Listen old man, I’ve seen a lot of strange things but I’ve never seen anything to make me believe that there’s one all-powerful Force controlling it all. No mystical energy field controls anyone’s destiny. It’s all a lot of simple tricks and superstituous nonsense.”

"Dr. Two-Brains has a strange name because he does have two brains but he's not really a doctor. He just steals cheese."

by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 27, 2009 11:41 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Obviously he hasn't met Slyde

肏你祖宗十八代 - and your sister too !

by Madville on Feb 27, 2009 11:43 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

"And Dave Matthews is like Peter Frampton if he hadn't stopped making the same boring shitty album again and again."

"Dr. Two-Brains has a strange name because he does have two brains but he's not really a doctor. He just steals cheese."

by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 27, 2009 11:43 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Right in there with the cheeseburger in Paradise guy - Jimmy Buffoon

That’s what popularity has come to in America:
Repetition
Safety
American Idol
Mads weekly column on bowling

Might as well just buy a gun and end it

肏你祖宗十八代 - and your sister too !

by Madville on Feb 27, 2009 11:47 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Peter Fucking Frampton?

We want to build long period of time. I didn’t come here for the shot run.

by Gray on Mar 2, 2009 4:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

/salutes

"You never pass up an opportunity to talk to a woman in a red dress." -- Buck O'Neil (1911-2006)

by "Red" Moskau on Feb 27, 2009 11:57 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That's a better red dress

…but my avatar photo is a seventies photo shoot of a model in Moscow, so it got the honors..
The old sig will be back, just needed the change of pace this week.

"You never pass up an opportunity to talk to a woman in a red dress." -- Buck O'Neil (1911-2006)

by "Red" Moskau on Feb 27, 2009 12:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

k-dramas aren't soap operas.

Ok. They are. But they’re way better than American soap operas.

Everybody's a jerk. You. Me. This jerk.

by andromache on Feb 27, 2009 10:19 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I lived in Seoul as a youngster so I root for South Korea in the Olympics and the WBC.

Pitcher turned triple crown winner.

Badass.

"Dr. Two-Brains has a strange name because he does have two brains but he's not really a doctor. He just steals cheese."

by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 27, 2009 12:24 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

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