Could Joey Votto Be the Next Todd Helton?
by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 2, 2009 1:26 PM EST
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I was tooling around B-Ref this morning and this really piqued my curiosity. Helton is listed as Votto's top comp by age, but age comps aren't always that exciting (for instance, Johnny Cueto's top comp is Scott Scudder. Yuck). But I compared Votto's first year+ to Helton's, and the eerie similarities are enough to write a good Goosebumps novel.
Helton had a cuppa in '97, playing 35 games as a 23 year old: Votto came up in '07, playing 24 games as a 23 year old. They both followed that up with stellar rookie years as 24 year olds, both placing second in NL ROY voting, both losing the award to a Cub.
Not convinced yet? Check out their batting lines through their age 24 seasons:
OPS+ AVG OBP SLG 2B 3B HR R RBI
Votto 124 .300 .367 .511 39 3 28 80 101
Helton 116 .310 .374 .523 39 2 30 91 108
Spooky, huh?
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I just comp'ed all over myself.
We should be so lucky. If only Votto played in a hitters’ park…oh, wait…
BTW, does anyone feel that even the best numericals re: GABP as a hitters’ park may be SLIGHTLY skewed by the fact that we chronically have been marching to the mound a bunch of gopher-balling hurlers? Josh Fogg and Eric Milton, I’m looking at you.
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by PeteyHendrix on Feb 2, 2009 2:01 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
i've always wondered that
opposing pitchers seem to do alright at GAB
by Daedalus on Feb 2, 2009 2:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
In conjunction with a homer-heavy lineup for several of those years?
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by PeteyHendrix on Feb 2, 2009 2:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If Willy Taveras hits a home run...
then we KNOW it is a hitter’s park.
by Brendanukkah on Feb 2, 2009 2:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If GABP were truely a hitter's park then Noho would have at least one HR a year.
Votto’s demeaner, his stats, his swing and his intelligence all bode for a great career – barring injuries.
I don't care how hungry obc gets..I can always have a beer on his tab.
by Madville on Feb 2, 2009 2:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you think
Arroyo, Milton, Wilson, Haynes, Graves, Stanton, + Dunn, Griffey, Pena, EdE, Phillips, and lets say Kearns=lots of home runs?
I think Dunn also said that he sees the ball real well at Great American.
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions!"- Dr. Stephen T. Colbert DFA.
by justin007000 on Feb 2, 2009 3:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
well actually
since Dunn is a baseball player he probably sees the ball real good.
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions!"- Dr. Stephen T. Colbert DFA.
by justin007000 on Feb 2, 2009 3:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Dunn was too lazy to hit more than 40 a year
except in ’04 when he overdid it and hit 46.
I don't care how hungry obc gets..I can always have a beer on his tab.
by Madville on Feb 2, 2009 4:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If he liked baseball he would have hit 70 each year.
Slacker!
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by PeteyHendrix on Feb 2, 2009 4:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He can flat out see the ball.
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by Paul Householder on Feb 2, 2009 5:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Even our best (Harang) gives up a lot of HRs
Aside from 2006 (20 HRs at GABP and 8 on the road in 113, 121 IP, respectively), his HR ratio has been pretty much equal at GABP and on the road.
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by JJ on Feb 2, 2009 5:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed. Any park...
That had Eric Milton pitching half his starts in it for two full years (with 69 total home runs in those two years) is going to have a lot more home runs than any other.
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by Paul Householder on Feb 2, 2009 5:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I hope Votto ISN'T the next Todd Helton
That would mean he’s a roid-head.
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by cesarhernandez on Feb 2, 2009 3:08 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
that is a coincidence and irrelevant
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by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 2, 2009 3:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's fine as long as like helton, he doesn't get caught
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by chandrathan on Feb 2, 2009 3:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Personally, I hope Votto's production doesn't drop off dramatically once he hits 30... and roid testing really kicks in...
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by crolfer on Feb 2, 2009 4:53 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
C. Trent
says we have another catcher.
The Reds signed C Humberto Cota to a minor league deal and a big league invite and announced the retirement of C Ryan Jorgensen.
Not sure what’s going on with Jorgensen. Didn’t we just sign him (again)?
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by BubbaFan on Feb 2, 2009 5:11 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Wonder why Jorgenson would retire?
That makes no sense… Hopefully we’ll find out more…
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by crolfer on Feb 2, 2009 5:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
roid rage?
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by PeteyHendrix on Feb 2, 2009 5:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess he saw the Cota of his career as a Red
...because there's already someone posing as Jacob Brumfield
by Cy Schourek on Feb 2, 2009 5:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't worry...
He might come Bako.
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by Paul Householder on Feb 2, 2009 5:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Its his Icelandic heritage that has kept him from the show.
I don't care how hungry obc gets..I can always have a beer on his tab.
by Madville on Feb 2, 2009 6:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We would LaRue that day
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by Man Mountain on Feb 2, 2009 9:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh
I thought we were gonna incorporate Oliver catchers.
by Brendanukkah on Feb 2, 2009 9:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I hope this goes on until Valentin's day
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by chandrathan on Feb 2, 2009 9:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess we'll just have to Taub and see.
by Brendanukkah on Feb 2, 2009 9:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He plays
Di az well as anybody in the game. We might see a Van gorder him up from Louisville.
by fourrunhomer on Feb 2, 2009 9:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
but does he go to Church?
lame i know, but it was the best i could do…
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions!"- Dr. Stephen T. Colbert DFA.
by justin007000 on Feb 2, 2009 9:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
GOOD FUCKING DAMNIT
SHIT ON A STICK.
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions!"- Dr. Stephen T. Colbert DFA.
by justin007000 on Feb 2, 2009 9:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm at a Ross for words.
Tanzen!
by Verka Serduchka on Feb 2, 2009 9:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Knicely done.
We’’re in process of trying to a guy with a trade record of working with pitches
by Slyde on Feb 2, 2009 9:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wilkin you guys stop this already?
This thread is far from Gulden. This is your last Werner.
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by PeteyHendrix on Feb 2, 2009 11:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Shouldn't you be out buying some Jorgens, son?
"I like to think more in terms of him his in-scoring position percentage." - Dusty Baker (2009) regarding Corey Patterson's relationship with his daughter
by BK on Feb 3, 2009 9:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and dont Torre, Alba (Jessica)
will be in that aisle at Coste-co
...because there's already someone posing as Jacob Brumfield
by Cy Schourek on Feb 3, 2009 9:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i realized right after i clicked "post"
that church was an outfielder, not a catcher, but I believe he was traded for a catcher…. That’s something isn’t it?
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions!"- Dr. Stephen T. Colbert DFA.
by justin007000 on Feb 2, 2009 9:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he's also not a Red
but don’t let that get in the way.
We’’re in process of trying to a guy with a trade record of working with pitches
by Slyde on Feb 2, 2009 9:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hey slyde
you crush your wife when you have sex with her, and your heart sucks!
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions!"- Dr. Stephen T. Colbert DFA.
by justin007000 on Feb 2, 2009 9:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's a coincidence and irrelevant.
There are only two seasons - winter and Baseball. - Bill Veeck
by PeteyHendrix on Feb 2, 2009 11:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I never would have thought you would be the one to Foiles this whole thing up
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by Man Mountain on Feb 3, 2009 9:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
that's racist
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by chandrathan on Feb 2, 2009 10:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It's getting deep
Somebody call a Plummer
by fourrunhomer on Feb 2, 2009 9:42 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
it is into the
Corral les you straighten up!
90 wins in 09!!
by Caleb on Feb 2, 2009 10:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
but
some one might bail ey out
90 wins in 09!!
by Caleb on Feb 2, 2009 10:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Knock it off...
or I’ll slap you around…hit you with my open Hanigan
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by cherub_daemon on Feb 2, 2009 10:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll keep this going
Chad Moeller sucks.
We’’re in process of trying to a guy with a trade record of working with pitches
by Slyde on Feb 2, 2009 10:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
true enough
I am leaving my house and have to ford ice to get out
90 wins in 09!!
by Caleb on Feb 2, 2009 10:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i would have placed a
nix on it.
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions!"- Dr. Stephen T. Colbert DFA.
by justin007000 on Feb 2, 2009 10:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
please grant me that we swtiched to presidents
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions!"- Dr. Stephen T. Colbert DFA.
by justin007000 on Feb 2, 2009 10:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
really
then we would go mano lamanno
90 wins in 09!!
by Caleb on Feb 2, 2009 10:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I Premessa not to Reed too much into these posts. but surely we Burgess
by fourrunhomer on Feb 2, 2009 10:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Howell did this thread come so far?
if it goes much further I may have to hit Tre Vino
by fourrunhomer on Feb 2, 2009 10:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
May I suggest suicide?
Put a Cordero around your neck and Harang yourself.
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by cherub_daemon on Feb 2, 2009 11:06 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
but this is
such a great thread of Hume er
by fourrunhomer on Feb 2, 2009 11:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
knock em all the way to Santiago
by fourrunhomer on Feb 2, 2009 10:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Good
because we all ne someone to McClean on
by fourrunhomer on Feb 2, 2009 10:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If he makes the club
He may have to have a Stinnett on the DL
by fourrunhomer on Feb 2, 2009 10:32 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Hmm...
Boy that Joey Votto sure is like Todd Helton, huh?
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by Paul Householder on Feb 3, 2009 12:55 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
you think this thread got outta hand?
This is the thread that will forever be remembered as the time that four run homer really made his mark…
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by chandrathan on Feb 3, 2009 8:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
no reply-button discipline
but showing great power. fourrunhomer is the Juan Francisco of this post. ROAR!
...because there's already someone posing as Jacob Brumfield
by Cy Schourek on Feb 3, 2009 9:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He sure has
someone should take him under their Wingo so he doesn’t end up on the Bench
"I like to think more in terms of him his in-scoring position percentage." - Dusty Baker (2009) regarding Corey Patterson's relationship with his daughter
by BK on Feb 3, 2009 9:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If loving this thread is Wrona
I don’t want to be Rice
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by Man Mountain on Feb 3, 2009 9:09 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You guys are fucking weird
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by jch24 on Feb 3, 2009 10:04 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
wait...
who did weird catch for?
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by chandrathan on Feb 3, 2009 10:11 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think he's referring to Paul Fucking Bako
"I like to think more in terms of him his in-scoring position percentage." - Dusty Baker (2009) regarding Corey Patterson's relationship with his daughter
by BK on Feb 3, 2009 10:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
a team of Reds catchers
I Wood normally start this post from a Crouch but since I have Chozen a place on the Street I’ll keep going. At Christmas I realized things were Azcue. I went out to Berry Hill to see what had Merritt. I found none and realized we all Sukeforth in this thread
90 wins in 09!!
by Caleb on Feb 3, 2009 10:59 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I',m Dunn with this....
now that we have Barack as Perezzz
I don't care how hungry obc gets..I can always have a beer on his tab.
by Madville on Feb 3, 2009 2:50 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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