The Fifth Starter: Who's Your Horse?
by Slyde on Feb 17, 2009 1:00 PM EST
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PrintBarring any serious injury, it looks like the Reds have starters 1-4 locked down, and it's a pretty good set of pitchers, probably the best the Reds have had in 15+ years. There are even several decent candidates for the remaining spot in the rotation come Opening Day. According to John Fay, these are the guys in the running:
(Micah) Owings, Ramon Ramirez. Guys we’re going to stretch out of see – (Homer) Bailey, (Daryl) Thompson, Masset. We’ll try to get extended looks for (Sam) Lecure, (Matt) Maloney, (Ben) Jukich, (Pedro) Viola, (James) Avery and (Jordan) Smith.
That's quite a long list, and to keep it realistic, let's just focus on pitchers who have had significant time (at least one whole season) in Triple-A or above. So, who do you think will make it?
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 Micah Owings - RHP - #33Scouting Report
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Owings was very successful in his brief minor league stint after pitching for Georgia Tech and Tulsa during his college career. More importantly, he has had some extended success in the Majors, going 8-8 with a 4.30 ERA as a 24-year old in 2007. He is coming off of an injury that makes him a bit of a question mark, but if he's healthy, I would guess that he'll get the spot. It doesn't hurt that he has a career batting line in the Majors of .319/.355/.552 in 126 plate appearances. He may be the 6th or 7th best hitter on the Reds in 2009. |
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Ramirez looked very good in his four starts to end the year with the Reds in 2008. Even more impressive is the fact that two of those starts came against the Milwaukee Brewers, who not only were in the hunt for a playoff spot, but also put a pretty good offense on the field. Ramirez shut them down for six innings in consecutive starts, only allowing 3 runs to them over 12 innings pitched. If there is a down side to Ramirez, it's that he's never been much of a prospect. He's 26 and still only has 27 Major League innings under his belt. His minor league totals still look good, and there's a chance that he's found a comfortable level to pitch at that may work for him for a couple of years in the Majors. I'd say he has a decent shot at taking the 5th spot. |
 Homer Bailey - RHP - #34Scouting Report |
You all know Bailey's story all too well at this point. He's been highly touted since the day he was drafted back in 2004 and though he's had some ups and downs, he's never left the Reds radar as a potential future big league star. That star is starting to fade though, and even though Bailey is only 22 still, he is getting to the point of having to prove his worth. He hasn't had any success in the Majors, and while his initial stint in Triple-A was pretty good in 2007, he hasn't done much right since then. There is some speculation as to whether the Reds have tried to alter Bailey's motion and that has caused havoc with his ability to pitch well. If that's the case, here's hoping Bailey gets things back under control and we see some glimpses of that promise that we've all been looking forward to. I give him a slim chance right now. Unless he pitches lights out, I think he'll go back to Louisville to prove that he's got it together. |
 Daryl Thompson - RHP - #54Scouting Report |
Thompson has a shot at being a pretty good MLB pitcher some day. I'd say he could easily be a #3 sometime in the future. I just don't think he's ready quite yet. He's only made 20 starts above A-ball in his career, and his 3 big starts showed that he's a little bit too hittable at this point in his career. Throw in the fact that he has quite a few injuries in his history and I think we can say that, barring a Johnny Cueto-like Spring, Thompson won't likely be starting the season in the bigs. That's okay though as he's still only 23 years old. And he has been very successful in the minors. Give him a year to refine his stuff in Louisville, and who knows, he may be forcing Arroyo or Harang out of town in 2010. |
 Nick Masset - RHP - #40Scouting Report |
I was surprised to see Masset on the list of potential 5th starters mainly because I thought he was predominately a reliever. While that's been true as a Major Leaguer, Masset does have 112 career starts in the minors. I'm not sure I see him as having that much of a shot at the rotation, and I suspect that the ultimate outcome will be that he'll be the longman out of the bullpen. He's got a pretty good shot at making the team since he's out of options, but if he completely flops in Spring, don't be surprised if the Reds dump him in lieu of someone else. |
 Matt Maloney - LHP - #66Scouting Report |
Maloney is the biggest wild card in this whole situation, if you ask me. This is because he's the only left-handed pitcher with a real shot at the starting rotation, and if he can manage to pitch well during the Spring, he might get bonus points because of that. He's the only pitcher in this group that hasn't pitched in the Majors yet, but it's not for a lack of performance in the Minors. Last year in Louisville, he posted a mediocre 4.68 ERA, but that was with a .322 BABIP, so he allowed more hits than he typically has in the Minors. His strikeout and walk rates have always been strong (last season 8.5 K/9 and 2.5 BB/9), though his home run rate is a little high (1.2 HR/9 last season). He pretty much laid an egg in Spring Training last season, but like I said, if he can manage to put up a couple of good starts in Sarasota this year, I would not be at all surprised if he ends up in the rotation in April. |
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I voted with Pops' heart, too.
Lets hope Hoss can twirl a host of good outings this summer.
...because there's already someone posing as Jacob Brumfield
Pops hearts Homer!
"aw....c'mon. That's suck! I heard Coldplay on WARM98" obc son(after watching the band win Best Rock Grammy)
This year's feel-good gay porn hit.
"You aint my bitch, n***a. Buy your own damn fries." ---President Obama
by Pops Daniels on Feb 17, 2009 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
Masset is the only of Slyde's candidates that are out of options.
Check out the list. (Third blurb up from the bottom of Page 1.)
by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 17, 2009 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
While I'd like to see Homer get it, I just don't think anyone's going to impress enough to beat Owings
Also, I feel like Maloney moderately resembles Mark Buehrle, only happier.
"Yes, and it's so important in this sport that the athletes be able to train in the same location." -Cynthia Potter, NBC Synchronized Diving Analyst
by 3 Fast 3 Furious on Feb 17, 2009 1:10 PM EST reply actions
hmmm, I actually see it.
And while we’re on the subject, Buehrle probably has the most underrated career of any major league pitcher right now, I’d say. He’s always wanted to pitch for the Cards, and I really, really, hope it never happens.
...because there's already someone posing as Jacob Brumfield
He was drafted in the 38th round.
I was looking at that draft (’99: Kearnes and Dunn). I had forgotten that the Reds drafted BJ Ryan.
Who remembers what we got for BJ Ryan?
by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 17, 2009 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
Guzman, baby, Guzman.
saw him pitch in the only game I saw of the ’99 season.
...because there's already someone posing as Jacob Brumfield
Guzman
who helped the Reds stay in contention in 1999.
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions!"- Dr. Stephen T. Colbert DFA.
by justin007000 on Feb 17, 2009 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
I voted Owings
but I’m rooting for Homer.
"I like to think more in terms of him his in-scoring position percentage." - Dusty Baker (2009) regarding Corey Patterson's relationship with his daughter
I voted Homer
Just because I feel like he get’s the biggest first look. I can’t help but wonder if he will tick off the coaches the fisrt week and blow his chances. The more I here about him, the more I wonder if he is coachable. It hit me funny when I read about him coming to camp lighter this year. He commented something like, They said it wouldn’t hurt me to add a few pounds. But I lost weight. I don’t have the exact quote but it was like he is determined to do the opposite of what he is told.
I think Owings is the one on the list most likely to make the team. I’m not sure if it will be as a starter or reliever though.
I really don't think Homer has much of a chance.
And by that I don’t mean that he won’t be given a chance , moreso that I think we’d have to be very surprised if Homer makes the most of his chance. (There’s something not quite right with the boy.)
With his recent record of failure as a major leaguer and the amount of competition for the fifth (and only) spot in the rotation, he’s gonna have to- as Slyde said- pitch “lights out” to win the job. And I think the last time we saw anything like that from him was a year and a half ago in Louisville.
I’m cool with Homer (though it does seem there might be nicer or more gracious guys to root for) and I’d like to see him do well in March and never look back. But I really think that he’s a relative long shot to crack the rotation. (Hasn’t Dusty already mentioned him as the Reds’ long relief guy or did he just say something obtuse like, “Well, we’re gonna need a long guy.”?)
Barring injuries, here’s how I’m handicapping the race in mid-February:
1. Owings 58%
2. Ramirez 20%
3. Maloney 11 %
4. Bailey 9%
5. any others 2%
Dusty has only mentioned the need for a long relief guy (although maybe it could be Masset)
I would think that Homer fits that mold better than any of the other candidates. He has a power arm, although suddenly that power is a question. He also seemed to always warm up into his performance, meaning he generally pitched best with an inning or two under his belt, so that doesn’t bode well for his prospects as a reliever. Still, I’m of the belief that Owings will win the fifth starter role and assuming he has a good spring, Homer will be in the bullpen. Hopefully that will get him straightened out or give him some confidence to be a starter again.
I wouldn’t have any reservations about Ramirez or Thompson also being the fifth starter. This is so much better than hoping that Josh Fogg still has something left.
by Brendanukkah on Feb 17, 2009 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
i read somewhere that it take Homer a while to warm up
that doesn’t bode well for him in the ’pen either.
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions!"- Dr. Stephen T. Colbert DFA.
by justin007000 on Feb 17, 2009 2:41 PM EST up reply actions
"they" said the same thing about Luke Hudson...
Should Homer start looking into real estate in the Kansas City area?
...because there's already someone posing as Jacob Brumfield
"though it does seem there might be nicer or more gracious guys to root for"
This always bugged me. Yes, Homer may be kind of insane. He has a full-body tattoo that says “CAZADOR” and openly mused about killing someone who broke into his trunk. Last spring training I remember some quote like “Adam Dunn puts on a drawl and pretends he’s cowboy. Homer walks in with boots and a 8” knife. He’s a cowboy."
The Reds need characters. I wish there was someone like Dan Steinberg covering sports in Cincy where we could see how amusing the Reds really are. I want Homer on the team because I want Homer stories like “Reds pitcher was trying to pick up women in Mt. Adams. UMiami girls are NOT impressed by bowhunting skills.”
I think he can pitch great, of course. But if he can pitch great and be consistently quotable for being batshit insane, all the better. This is what I am rooting for. He has a major league personality, Louisville doesn’t deserve it.
...because there's already someone posing as Jacob Brumfield
(cue obc, justin, Red Moskau, and the rest in 3... 2... 1...)
by Brendanukkah on Feb 17, 2009 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
cued
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions!"- Dr. Stephen T. Colbert DFA.
by justin007000 on Feb 17, 2009 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
you mean cue'd
No bees? Then who will sting me and walk on my sandwiches?
by The Crushinator on Feb 18, 2009 1:01 AM EST up reply actions
mea culpa
as someone who isn’t ever allowed to say that they’re a “UM” grad, I feel the pain.
...because there's already someone posing as Jacob Brumfield
Did you go to Miami
My girlfriend goes to Miami, do you know her?
No bees? Then who will sting me and walk on my sandwiches?
by The Crushinator on Feb 18, 2009 1:02 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
i think though our problem is
homer bailey is kind of an asshole. Like I would rather see the decent person succeed than the asshole, as long as they are both in Cincinnati.
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions!"- Dr. Stephen T. Colbert DFA.
by justin007000 on Feb 17, 2009 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
I don't really mind if he's an asshole.
It’s just that there’s not much room in the world for surly millionaire divas who haven’t won anything.
Reminds me of Fred Thompson.
by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 17, 2009 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
ZING!
and if he wins 20 in the show he’s colorful, and a great teammate like Roger Clemans.
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions!"- Dr. Stephen T. Colbert DFA.
by justin007000 on Feb 17, 2009 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
Fred Thompson has fungus on his shower shoes????!!!!!
Whether you like it or not, history is on our side. We will bury you.
by "Red" Moskau on Feb 17, 2009 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
Could be.
His politics are moldy.
by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 17, 2009 6:30 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Freel/Farney didn't work for you?
Whether you like it or not, history is on our side. We will bury you.
by "Red" Moskau on Feb 17, 2009 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
since nick masset is the least qualified to win the job
i’ll go with him
What do you mean, "blank slate"?
Dusty's daughter will be the judge of his qualifications.
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions!"- Dr. Stephen T. Colbert DFA.
by justin007000 on Feb 17, 2009 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
Will she be judging Masset's assets?
Or Nick’s di…
The survey wanted this to be more of a family site, right?
by Brendanukkah on Feb 17, 2009 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
"Hey, a couple of us guys were wonderin' if we could go family-style on her."
Points.
by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 17, 2009 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
idiocracy
i just watched that the other night. it wasnt very good.
My millions are unconventional!
by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 17, 2009 2:57 PM EST up reply actions
No, it's not.
It’s got some great lines and I really like what it was trying to do but it was just really messy and degenerative. It landed somewhere between “Brazil” and “Americathon”.
by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 17, 2009 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
i also watched it on comedy central
so all the cuss words were bleeped. it was difficult to follow to begin with and nearly impossible with half the dialogue deleted. i sure like Maya Rudolph though.
My millions are unconventional!
by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 17, 2009 3:11 PM EST up reply actions
shes hella hot
i saw it on cc yesterday, wiki’d her and learned she’s got kids with paul thomas anderson. yeah
What do you mean, "blank slate"?
Not to mention sang with the Rentals
Though I’m more of a Rachel Haden fan.
by Brendanukkah on Feb 17, 2009 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
That
is a stunning woman.
"You aint my bitch, n***a. Buy your own damn fries." ---President Obama
by Pops Daniels on Feb 17, 2009 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
Americathon
this had me rolling:
To promote the movie, in 1979 Ted Coombs roller skated across the United States and back and gained a place in the Guinness Book of World Records.
hows come stuff like this doesnt happen anymore? are we all so vain?
My millions are unconventional!
by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 17, 2009 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
You probably think this Guinness record for roller skating is about you.
by Brendanukkah on Feb 17, 2009 3:20 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Don't you'd? Don't you'd? Don't you'd?
Whether you like it or not, history is on our side. We will bury you.
by "Red" Moskau on Feb 17, 2009 5:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
dude Brendan
3 green’d comments in one day. how much did you pay for that?
My millions are unconventional!
by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 17, 2009 5:47 PM EST up reply actions
i smell shenannigans...
My millions are unconventional!
by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 17, 2009 11:25 PM EST up reply actions
Actually, there were 9 assholes rec'ing him yesterday
for a total of 15 recs and 4 green comments. Holeee Moses.
"I like to think more in terms of him his in-scoring position percentage." - Dusty Baker (2009) regarding Corey Patterson's relationship with his daughter
by BK on Feb 18, 2009 9:05 AM EST up reply actions
Let's Keep religion out of this or Slyde's gonna get ya BK
I may be insensitive and crude, but a racist NEVER.
Mads
Update
I had a fourth one go green. So, uh, there.
by Brendanukkah on Feb 17, 2009 11:54 PM EST up reply actions
i think its great
its a wonderful comment on bush america and the kind of abbreviated logic bush propogated on this country. the beginning is also a scary interpretation on one of the many ways civilization has circumvented the evolutionary process. very funny at times, IMO, but misses a lot too. tested abysmally and never got a real release. i wonder why?
I went Owings
…but I’m getting a nagging feeling that the D-backs know something that we don’t— yet.
Whether you like it or not, history is on our side. We will bury you.
I think they knew they wanted Adam Dunn to help provide some offense
and were willing to trade an injured pitcher to get him.
His value was low at the time because he was actually injured. The Reds took a chance acquiring him. Hopefully it pays off.
We’’re in process of trying to a guy with a trade record of working with pitches
They also knew how to get no compensation for Adam Dunn
So they are out four players while we are up two (net). Any word on whether they’re going to let Castillo catch in spring training?
by Brendanukkah on Feb 17, 2009 2:26 PM EST up reply actions
Bandwagon
Plenty of room on the Micah bandwagon, gang. This brought to you from the fella who championed Bronson and Hamilton from the get go. And Tim Lincecum dammit.
"aw....c'mon. That's suck! I heard Coldplay on WARM98" obc son(after watching the band win Best Rock Grammy)
Lince cumb'd
Whether you like it or not, history is on our side. We will bury you.
by "Red" Moskau on Feb 17, 2009 5:05 PM EST up reply actions
In the long line of successful D-backs pitching prospects . . .
Adam Pettyjohn . . . Nick Bierbrodt . . . Mike Gosling . . . Micah Owings!
i went with Owings
i like Homer and Thompson and Ram-Ram, but i think Owings will get first crack at it. we’ll see every one of these guys start a game this year, but i think Owings has the track record that will ultimately give him the nod over the others. Louisville is going to the best starting staff in the International League next year. no Adam Pettyjohn’s in that group. no siree-bob.
My millions are unconventional!
by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 17, 2009 2:48 PM EST reply actions
i hope he has a nice time
in Korea
My millions are unconventional!
by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 17, 2009 2:58 PM EST up reply actions
I went with Owings for basically the same reasons everyone else did
I would love to see Bailey run away with it, but Owings may not be spectacular he can be steady. He had a solid year in 2007, and looks to be a quality pitcher.
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions!"- Dr. Stephen T. Colbert DFA.
If I can get .500 out of my #5 starter, I'm pretty happy.
by Brendanukkah on Feb 17, 2009 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
if i can get .500 out of my #4 starter
im pretty happy.
My millions are unconventional!
by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 17, 2009 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
if I can get .500 out of my team
i’m pretty happy.
(sniff)
I’m so pathetic!
Whether you like it or not, history is on our side. We will bury you.
by "Red" Moskau on Feb 17, 2009 5:06 PM EST up reply actions
I'm pulling for Bailey in the rotation, Owings in the pen.
I have no idea how Owings would fair in the pen, but if Dusty takes advantage we could get Owings at-bats throughout the week and not every 5th day. Some say more at bats lessens his ability as a pitcher, and he is more valuable as a starter. I say there is a crazed wacko in his rotation spot that will kill him if he doesn’t stay in the pen.
Oh and I am all for kicking Masset to the curb if there is no spot for him, or rather Walt trading him to DC for 6-7 outfielders.
Soy el niño destructor. I eat kids for breakfast. Roar. - Juan Francisco 'spoken with an Italian accent'
by jacob brumfield on Feb 17, 2009 3:00 PM EST reply actions
i miss read that
a some how thought you wrote “i am all for fucking Masset to the curb.” I thought it was dirty, disgusting, despicable, and homo-erotic.
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions!"- Dr. Stephen T. Colbert DFA.
by justin007000 on Feb 17, 2009 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
and now you have a boner
Soy el niño destructor. I eat kids for breakfast. Roar. - Juan Francisco 'spoken with an Italian accent'
by jacob brumfield on Feb 17, 2009 3:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
"despicable and homoerotic"
Coincidence and irrelevent?
by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 17, 2009 3:12 PM EST up reply actions
Bros
Not sure about coincidence, but surely irrelevant, despicable, and homoerotic.
by Brendanukkah on Feb 17, 2009 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
If Owings is in the rotation
We could get him 2-3 PA’s each start, plus 2 or 3 more PA’s as a PH between starts.
2.5 PA/ST + 2.5 PA/PH = 5 PA/ST
Given approximately 32 starts, that would be 160 PA at an .319/.355/.552 career clip.
That offensive difference, in my mind, supersedes any difference between these pitchers’ likely 2009 performance, especially considering that we will be operating with an offensively deficient lineup.
Anyone got the WAR value for this offensive production differential?
I try not to break the rules but merely to test their elasticity. - Bill Veeck
by PeteyHendrix on Feb 17, 2009 7:23 PM EST up reply actions
change the aspect ratio from "narrow" to "wide" and you can read it
What do you mean, "blank slate"?
On the main Red Reporter page
There’s an option in the top left corner to view the page as either “Narrow” or “Wide.” Make sure “Wide” is selected, and the text in the boxes should show up fine.
by Brendanukkah on Feb 17, 2009 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
I want a woman with the same options
Soy el niño destructor. I eat kids for breakfast. Roar. - Juan Francisco 'spoken with an Italian accent'
by jacob brumfield on Feb 17, 2009 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
not cool man
not cool at all.
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions!"- Dr. Stephen T. Colbert DFA.
by justin007000 on Feb 17, 2009 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
i hope bailey doesnt make the team
i have just about totally lost faith in him. i think if he does well at louisville for a couple of months he would be great trade bait
He's gonna have to strike out some MLB batters in order to be "great" trade bait.
by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 17, 2009 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
agreed, to a degree
i think his youth might somewhat mitigate his lack of MLB success in the eyes of some
what worries me is his lose of velocity
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions!"- Dr. Stephen T. Colbert DFA.
by justin007000 on Feb 17, 2009 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
Velocity is fine
When his legs are healthy. They haven’t been for the most part over the last two seasons. He has had two separate Hamstring issues and also dealt with a strained MCL last year that he pitched with. Last start of the season he wore a knee brace and was sitting 94-96 MPH in the 6th inning.
That's the kind of stuff I like to hear
Hopefully he’s been doing his squats and drinking his Pat Robertson Protein Shakes.
by Brendanukkah on Feb 17, 2009 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
POLL:
1. How many of you have ever traveled to another city for the main purpose of visiting a ballpark? And if you did, did you stay in a hotel?
2. Would you stay in a hotel when you traveled to a city for a ballgame that was baseball themed? Like, instead of those hideous hotel paintings hanging over your bed, you’d sleep beneath the gaze of Babe Ruth. If yes, how much would you be willing to pay for such a hotel? It would have a good restaurant and a sports bar inside.
3. Would you stay in such a hotel for a weekend in Cincy even if you live in the area?
Please answer.
answers
1: Yes, I went to Louisville and spent the weekend there, took in a Saturday night game, saw my great aunt, and went back out for the Sunday matinee.
2. No
3. No
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions!"- Dr. Stephen T. Colbert DFA.
by justin007000 on Feb 17, 2009 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
what does the army have you doing now?
Soy el niño destructor. I eat kids for breakfast. Roar. - Juan Francisco 'spoken with an Italian accent'
by jacob brumfield on Feb 17, 2009 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
that's what you think, D
Soy el niño destructor. I eat kids for breakfast. Roar. - Juan Francisco 'spoken with an Italian accent'
by jacob brumfield on Feb 17, 2009 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
lol
my ripped up shoulder (from being forced to do more push ups than what i was capable of at the beginning) tells me it wasn’t all just a nightmare.
My answers
1. Yes. I went to Detroit to catch a game at Tiger Stadium before it got torn down. It is still standing. But Chuck Finley struck out four men in an inning!
2. I did not stay in a hotel. It was just a day trip, and the less time spent in Detroit, the better. Hypothetically, I guess I would stay at a baseball-themed hotel if it was proximate to the ballpark. I can’t say that I would go out of my way to do so, though.
3. No.
by Brendanukkah on Feb 17, 2009 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
answers
1. yes. I stayed in a hotel in Pittsburgh and Denver, but not in DC or Detroit.
2. I don’t care what hotel I stay in typically, so I probably wouldn’t choose one just based on the theme unless it was associated with a major chain. I prefer to know what I’m going to get.
3. no.
We’’re in process of trying to a guy with a trade record of working with pitches
for me
1) yes, every time I’ve been to Cincy since the gparents bolted, actually.
2) yes, but it better be tacky as hell and there better be gambling (I’m not being sarcastic, just wishful)
3)no
...because there's already someone posing as Jacob Brumfield
Gambling in a baseball hotel?
You can stay there, but then they’ll never let you stay at the Cooperstown Best Western.
by Brendanukkah on Feb 17, 2009 5:08 PM EST up reply actions
Answer:
1. Yes, if Spring Training counts.
2. No. I’m strictly $$ driven.
3. No.
Whether you like it or not, history is on our side. We will bury you.
by "Red" Moskau on Feb 17, 2009 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
1.) Cincy – have gone home same day
- stayed in hotel (cheap and expensive)
- stayed in bed and breakfast
Cleveland- went with friend stayed at his relatives stayed with relatives just outside DC
Baltimore
Washington (RFK) – went with friends- stayed in hotel
(new Nationals Ballpark) went with my brother stayed with family just outside DC
2.)Maybe— would have to be something special if it cost more than a regular hotel
by fourrunhomer on Feb 17, 2009 5:17 PM EST up reply actions
mine - good memories
1 – – Yes, we stayed a few blocks from Jacobs Field (we went there to see the A’s – my other favorite team – as an anniversary gift from my wife and an excuse to get away from the kids for a weekend)
2 – No – I stayed at the cheapest decent hotel in downtown Cleveland, which was actually a pretty good deal – the Hyatt Regency at the Arcade – cool hotel, and much less expensive than some of the others within a short walk of the ballpark
3 – No – I don’t have the disposable income for that kind of thing, truthfully. 1 income and a wife and 2 kids limit my options on that kind of thing.
Cool idea, though. Might it work in a Spring Training location? Never been, but I’d be much more likely to go to one of those places at Spring training, I would think
"To me, boxing is like a ballet, except there's no music, no choreography, and the dancers hit each other." - Jack Handey
by JJ on Feb 17, 2009 5:33 PM EST up reply actions
answers
1. Yes, and yes.
2. Probably not. I’d be more interested in cheap, clean, and free wireless broadband. If I was going upscale, I’d try to stay in the hotel the team was staying at.
3. Don’t live in Cincy so N/A.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
answers
1. I have traveled to Chicago, San Diego and San Francisco to see baseball games. I have stayed in a hotel on 2 of these overnight trips.
2. I would not pay extra to stay in a baseball-themed hotel unless it was part of the stadium or so close that it made sense.
3. No.
I try not to break the rules but merely to test their elasticity. - Bill Veeck
by PeteyHendrix on Feb 17, 2009 6:46 PM EST up reply actions
so is he
Made from 100% recycled awesome,
by chandrathan on Feb 17, 2009 5:25 PM EST up reply actions
I'm going with Homer
I think this is the year. The dude is still really, really young and I think he might have it figured out. PBesides Owings is my 3 day a week leftfielder
90 wins in 09!!
An Owings-Dickerson platoon?
Micahson?
Dick-o-wings?
Ow-in-dick?
We’’re in process of trying to a guy with a trade record of working with pitches
No Dick-Ow?
"aw....c'mon. That's suck! I heard Coldplay on WARM98" obc son(after watching the band win Best Rock Grammy)
We are merely Dick-Owing around in LF.
Until Yonder prospect comes a-calling.
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by PeteyHendrix on Feb 17, 2009 6:48 PM EST up reply actions
Jonny-Hop DickHair is pretty solid.
I try not to break the rules but merely to test their elasticity. - Bill Veeck
by PeteyHendrix on Feb 18, 2009 1:23 AM EST up reply actions
Non-stop Dickie, a Dickie Thon if you will
by Pops Daniels on Feb 18, 2009 8:44 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
rec'd
for the weak-hitting ’strohs ss
Whether you like it or not, history is on our side. We will bury you.
by "Red" Moskau on Feb 18, 2009 9:03 AM EST up reply actions
The scouting report links
all lead to Homer Bailey’s, from Bailey on down.
I voted for Thompson. He’s the scrappiest!
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It could well shake out like this:
Harang
Arroyo
Voltron
Owings
Bailey or Rameriz
I don’t know about Johnny Cute-Toe (his Indian name). – His consistency is very questionable…
Bailey is still a long shot to me.
I like Owings a lot. He’s young and if he can stay healthy he’ll be a dominant pitcher. If his pitching doesn’t recover
he’ll be in the line up somewhere.
Better Hiters:
Votto
Bruce
BP
EdE
Owings
etc.
Guy is as talented if not more than Josh Hamiltucky
I still like Ramon Rameriz because he seems to now how to pitch not just whang it up there and hope.
I may be insensitive and crude, but a racist NEVER.
Mads
i'm sure somebody can follow this
but it isn’t me. How can you put Johnny Cueto in the ’pen? He put togeather a solid season last year. Barring a Rick Ankiel like break down there is no way a healthy Cueto is not in the starting rotation when the team breaks north.
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions!"- Dr. Stephen T. Colbert DFA.
by justin007000 on Feb 17, 2009 7:04 PM EST up reply actions
you're right, by the way
i think we’re all taking for granted that cueto will make the rotation. yeah, he is in it right now, but one of the others can pitch their way into it if he pitches his way out of it
here's the thing
Cueto was 22 last season, and he was basically a league-average pitcher. that is really, really good. there arent many guys that can do that, holding their own against the most elite competition, all of whom have more experience than you do, and those who can are truly unique talents. barring catastrophic injury, Cueto is likely to become an above-average pitcher.
there is really nothing about him, his makeup, or his stuff that should lead one to believe that he is in line for a fall off. in fact, everything but his size (which is arguably arbitrary) screams that he will be a stud. he commands the zone well. he struck out 8.17 per 9 last season while walking 3.52. his BB and HR rates ballooned from his minor league numbers, but im going to chalk that up to his inexperience (most major league hitters are better than minor leaguers at recognizing pitches and turning on bad ones).
so chill babies. Johnny Cueto is going to be fine. and i think he’s going to be better than fine.
My millions are unconventional!
by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 17, 2009 7:44 PM EST up reply actions
even if he has a sophmore slump
i want the reds to stick with him through his lumps.
I am sure if they do he will make it over the hump.
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions!"- Dr. Stephen T. Colbert DFA.
by justin007000 on Feb 17, 2009 7:59 PM EST up reply actions
just to be clear - i want cueto in the rotation
i just never thought it possible he wouldn’t be. put it is possible. just not likely
justin is channeling Dr. Seuss
Whether you like it or not, history is on our side. We will bury you.
by "Red" Moskau on Feb 18, 2009 9:07 AM EST up reply actions
he's right, but bye-bye 82 wins if Cueto isn't one of the 5 in the rotation
We need a performance worthy of Cueto’s year 2 potential to make up for the missing offense. I don’t think we have two others (4th AND 5th starters).
Whether you like it or not, history is on our side. We will bury you.
by "Red" Moskau on Feb 18, 2009 9:06 AM EST up reply actions
Cueto will go to Louisville before he goes to the pen
And if that happens we are screwed.
by Dave from Louisville on Feb 17, 2009 10:58 PM EST up reply actions
the boys from the 'ville are thinking alike
must be sipping from the same bourbon flask!
Whether you like it or not, history is on our side. We will bury you.
by "Red" Moskau on Feb 18, 2009 9:08 AM EST up reply actions
I say sign “Oil Can” and give him a shot.
by ThisonebelongstotheReds on Feb 18, 2009 7:38 PM EST reply actions
I'm going with a horse so dark it's white
Dan Sarefini will be plucked out of the Mexican league.
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions!"- Dr. Stephen T. Colbert DFA.
That's racist!
Three or four different ways!
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 19, 2009 4:35 AM EST up reply actions
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