Camp Notes
Pitchers and catchers reported yesterday and everyone but Humberto Cota showed up on time. Cota is on his way from his home in Mexico and should arrive soon enough. the writers have been off just as long as the players, and they seem like they are more excited about the start of camp than anyone else. here's a few of the more interesting things from the first day:
We talked about it yesterday, but I wanted the put the picture on the main page (thanks be to bubbafan for first posting it). Aaron Harang blasted his delts with the Zone diet and is secretly hoping the weather in Florida hits a cold snap before camp is over. You see, he packed all these new sweaters to show off his new bod and he would look downright silly wearing them in 70-degree weather. Lookin' good Harangatang!
Homer Bailey came into camp a few pounds lighter as well, having lost 10 pounds this winter. He was pretty svelt as it was, but he says he feels better than he's ever felt. For what it's worth, Dusty has all the confidence in the world in him. Here's a quote:
“Hope put the big name in camp on him because he happens to be a No. 1 draft choice (2004),” said Baker. “Here’s the ball, Homer. I’m not going to put any pressure on him other than what he puts on himself. I’m pulling for him, big-time. He is one of the guys in the mix.
“He’s had some opportunity, but he is still so young,” Baker added. “He’s not close to having his opportunities exhausted. He’s 22. We’ve just heard about him forever. You’d think he was 30 years old. We’ll keep trying to instruct him. The ball is in his hand.”
And this note from the Fay: "Edinson Volquez said he's pitching for the Dominican in the World Baseball Classic, but Johnny Cueto is not." This is probably for the best. Cueto pitched a good deal last winter in the DWL, and then went on to throw more innings than he ever has in a season in his first year in the majors. And then he threw some in the DWL again this year. Probably a good thing he won't be pitching in a major international competition this spring.
Fay also spoke with Bronson Arroyo, who seems like he always has something to say:
“You always come into camp optimistic. But I figure after ’06 coming to ’07, I thought we had a pretty good club and he didn’t do anything. I’m not going to make any predictions on anybody else’s behalf but mine.”
“I’m definitely happy with our defense. I honestly think our pitching staff is more solid than it’s ever been. It’s going to come down to being able to score some runs. If we can put runs on the board, I don’t see how we can’t at least compete.” “It’s more risky this year than ever because of the eight guys who are hitting in the lineup a good amount of them haven’t really proved themselves in the major leagues.”As for Arroyo's prediction on Arroyo: "I feel like I’ll throw 200 innings and hopefully win 15 games.”
I think you can count Bronson as one who is happy to have anyone but Adam Dunn playing left field.
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I don't want Reds players playing in the WBC
we’ve already seen the effects of that competition in Gary Majewski.
I don’t want Edinson turning into Majewski
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by chandrathan on Feb 15, 2009 11:37 AM EST reply actions
I was wondering if maybe it was just detrimental to pitchers
But Ken Griffey, Jr. did put up his lowest OPS+ with the Reds the year of the Classic. Interesting to look at, but I’ll be wary of small sample sizes for now.
by Brendanukkah on Feb 15, 2009 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
I've been thinking a bit about the D-bag
First I will concede that he is the most miserable game manager I’ve ever seen. However, when I think about all the bosses I’ve ever had, I believe I performed the best under the most personable. I think someone was flashing a stat somewhere that Dusty’s teams suprisingly outperform their pythagorean wins. I have to believe that the comradere in that picture is the reason why. Or maybe he sold his soul to the manager witch.
No bees? Then who will sting me and walk on my sandwiches?
by The Crushinator on Feb 15, 2009 11:42 AM EST reply actions
*comradery
No bees? Then who will sting me and walk on my sandwiches?
by The Crushinator on Feb 15, 2009 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
no problem
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by chandrathan on Feb 15, 2009 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
* camaraderie
Fastidious spelling snobs pushed over the edge
But while blunders and bloopers have ever exasperated the spelling snobs and grammar grunions of the world, our recent woes — housing foreclosures, massive layoffs, rising debt and war — may be ratcheting up the pressure some feel to seize control of something (anything!), even if it’s just a properly placed comma.
"Hanging on to some kind of rule might be comforting to people," says Bethany Keeley, a grad student from Athens, Ga., who runs The "Blog" of "Unnecessary" Quotation Marks. "People are looking for something they can control and ‘What should we do about our foreign policy?’ is a lot more complicated a question than ‘Should the period go inside or outside the quotation mark?’ "
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not what dictionary.com says
dictionary.com’d
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by The Crushinator on Feb 15, 2009 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
and you took it one too far...
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions!"- Dr. Stephen T. Colbert DFA.
by justin007000 on Feb 15, 2009 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
i feel like the Pythagorean wins aren't the greatest way to judge Dusty
because he costs his team runs by failing to put together quality lineups.
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions!"- Dr. Stephen T. Colbert DFA.
by justin007000 on Feb 15, 2009 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
short memories
does the name Jerry Narron ring a bell?
Now batting for Josh Hamilton, number 7, Juan Castro!!!!!!!!!
VORM
I think this is the season that we develop the VORM (Value Over Replacement Manager) statistic.
If you're not having fun, stop participating.
so youre saying Dusty is the Michael Scott of baseball?
My millions are unconventional!
by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 15, 2009 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
hopefully he can turn us into the most successful regional branch in Major League baseball
We’’re in process of trying to a guy with a trade record of working with pitches
we already are
we have the best record over our losing streak of all the teams that are teh suck. (pittsburgh, kansas city, washington.) be proud!
If Scott was well-liked
and respected.
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by PeteyHendrix on Feb 16, 2009 1:26 AM EST up reply actions
Wow, Aaron.
I actually have a hard time believing he only lost 25 pounds.
Everybody's a jerk. You. Me. This jerk.
probably 25 from his officially listed weight
wasn’t he only listed at 240 last year and he weighed like 270? something like that?
His arms lost 25 pounds
he’s gotta be down 50 from his peak last year
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by chandrathan on Feb 15, 2009 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
That picture makes me more excited about the season than I thought I ever could be.
Harang looks like a fucking stud. As I moronically do every year, I’m drinkin’ the Kool-Aid.
90 Wins!
30-30 Season for BP!
AllStar Seasons for Joey and Hova!
30 HR for Gomes!
Harang, Arroyo, Cueto, and EV over 110 ERA+!
Taveras… is league average?
i'm starting to like arroyo's outspokenness
it’s too bad he couldn’t have called out dunn while dunn was still with the team. we could have used a good spat.
Arroyo love
Plenty of room on the bandwagon, sista.
My folks inside the Reds were none too sad when Dunn was traded, the unspoken meaning being addition by subtraction in the clubhouse. Im not intending to bash Adam from Milwaukee but I do think he’s a complimentary player on a winning ballclub. He’s more of a guy behind The Guy type of guy and in Cincy he was forced, by default, to be The Guy. Im happy he gets to play with AK again, however.
"aw....c'mon. That's suck! I heard Coldplay on WARM98" obc son(after watching the band win Best Rock Grammy)
yes, i'm glad he's on the nationals
and now i’m glad he’s not on the reds. took awhile to feel that way, though. took some comments by reds players like arroyo and phillips. good thing they got him out of there before bruce had the chance to be corrupted by him. i mean, when was there a time in dunn’s career when he reported to spring training early?
common
dunn may not have been great for the clubhouse
but phillips is the real cancer
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by chandrathan on Feb 15, 2009 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
colon
Soy el niño destructor. I eat kids for breakfast. Roar. - Juan Francisco 'spoken with an Italian accent'
by jacob brumfield on Feb 15, 2009 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
phillips is the real cancer
On what do you base this? While he had a bad rep when he came to the Reds, I don’t read anything but company-line PR from him now.
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by PeteyHendrix on Feb 16, 2009 1:28 AM EST up reply actions
he talked shit about Hamilton.
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions!"- Dr. Stephen T. Colbert DFA.
by justin007000 on Feb 16, 2009 8:17 AM EST up reply actions
I think 'than was joking
But C. Trent has said more than once that BP is not well-liked by his teammates. He pointed out an incident where BP made the last out, and not one of his teammates would bring him his hat and glove. He had to go back into the dugout and get them himself. Which is apparently highly unusual in baseball-land.
BP also complained to the media a couple of years ago about the attention Griffey and Hamilton were getting. Griffey ignored him, but Hamilton fired back. (I can’t help but wonder if this public feud is one reason Hamilton was traded.) I kind of thought Hamilton was out of line. Even if BP was being a putz, Hamilton was a rookie, and probably shouldn’t have been publically dissing a teammate that way. But Trent sort of implied that if we knew what went on in the clubhouse, we’d understand why Hamilton reacted like he did.
This is why many don’t expect BP to become the team leader, and are looking to Bruce or Votto or someone else to step up. BP doesn’t seem to have the respect of his teammates.
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No way am I joking
I’ve had conversations with BP and he has never done anything but put down his teammates. He is the classic self centered athlete. He hated Hamilton, he didn’t like Griffey or Dunn, and he doesn’t like Bronson. I know that for a fact. Everything he talks about is how the reds haven’t done enough to promote him and that he deserves more than his teammates.
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by chandrathan on Feb 16, 2009 9:22 AM EST up reply actions
holy cow
He dissed his teammates to a fan? What exactly did he say?
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I think I've relayed this story before
but he was basically just dogging everyone on the the team. He said Bronson was full of himself and thought he was god’s gift to women and liked shitty music.
He said it was “bullshit” that Griffey still got preferential treatment because Phillips thought he was a better player.
He said Dunn didn’t care about the team.
And he was really pointed towards Hamilton. He said Hamilton was only a story because he was white, and if a black player had done what Hamilton did he would have gotten a second chance. He insinuated that the Christianity thing wasn’t real with Hamilton, and complained that Hamilton was getting a giveaway night at the ballpark when the reds hadn’t done anything for him.
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by chandrathan on Feb 16, 2009 9:57 AM EST up reply actions
i always felt that Phillips is self centered
but he is generally good with fans. From what I understand is that if a fan needs somebody Phillips will do it, but it could be that he likes the attention.
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions!"- Dr. Stephen T. Colbert DFA.
by justin007000 on Feb 16, 2009 10:06 AM EST up reply actions
wow
At least you can’t say he doesn’t talk to the fans. Sounds like quite the conversation.
And he could be right about Bronson’s music… ;-)
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And he's probably right about a black player not getting as much slack as Josh did.
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by PeteyHendrix on Feb 16, 2009 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
I dunno
Maybe as far as love from the fans.
But teams are willing to put up with an incredible amount of crap if a player has talent, and I think that holds true no matter what color you are. I think any player with Hamilton’s talent would get multiple second chances.
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Agreed.
I was thinking purely fans/PR. The Bengals prove your point.
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by PeteyHendrix on Feb 17, 2009 1:09 AM EST up reply actions
last season Dunn was there before he was required to be there
and the whole reporting early thing is silly. It’s like players not wearing enough flare.
FWIW, I think Arroyo is kind of a chump for badmouthing Dunn after he left. Maybe if he had been a man and stepped up and said something while Dunn was there, it would have lit a fire under the team.
I agree though that it’s probably not a bad thing that Dunn is gone. (NOTE: I only hold that opinion until the team is actually required to score some runs.)
We’’re in process of trying to a guy with a trade record of working with pitches
THey are going to play for a 0-0 tie like in soccer
In the words of King of the Hill
“everybody wins!”
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by chandrathan on Feb 15, 2009 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
i don't look down on a veteran player who has a secured a starting position if he doesn't show up early
A lot of these guys have wives and kids. Some of these guys may not get a chance to see their families again until the all-star break. Even if they are single with no off spring, the season is a long and grueling process, I can’t fault them for not wanting to show up early.
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions!"- Dr. Stephen T. Colbert DFA.
by justin007000 on Feb 15, 2009 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
dudes who show up early hate their families
true story
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by jacob brumfield on Feb 15, 2009 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
Is anyone else not seeing the new comments marked as new?
When I refresh the page, the number of comments on the front page story will go up, but it won’t say how many are new. The FanPosts seem to be working fine though.
javascript can be funky sometimes
maybe a refresh properly loaded the file completely and things started working again?
They did an update on the sites last night, which always seems to lead to more issues the next day. That wouldn’t surprise me either.
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it is almost 3:40
why am i still hungover?
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions!"- Dr. Stephen T. Colbert DFA.
cause
you were rockin’ and a rollin’ on a livingston saturday night
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by chandrathan on Feb 15, 2009 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
captain and diets catch up to ya the next day
"aw....c'mon. That's suck! I heard Coldplay on WARM98" obc son(after watching the band win Best Rock Grammy)
I can't wait until next Festivus
when Cuba Libres are going to be verboten.
...because there's already someone posing as Jacob Brumfield
by Cy Schourek on Feb 15, 2009 10:15 PM EST up reply actions
that's nothing
go to Cuba and see all the free the cuban five stuff. At the Havana University marine biology center they had all sorts of propaganda about the Cuban Five, I have to wonder if that was always there or if the government put it up because they knew that Americans were going to be spending a considerable amount of time there.
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions!"- Dr. Stephen T. Colbert DFA.
by justin007000 on Feb 15, 2009 10:25 PM EST up reply actions
i just like the bus driving around DC
but it’s not as good as the pink pig truck with the little piglets full of money that was supposed to represent the amount spent on the iraq war. it even plays oink sounds over a loud speaker.
that makes George Mason more appealing for grad school
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by justin007000 on Feb 15, 2009 10:48 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah.
Amateur drinkers.
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by PeteyHendrix on Feb 16, 2009 1:29 AM EST up reply actions
I judge pitchers by their results, not their body type.
I save that type of physical judgment for women I meet in bars.
There are only two seasons - winter and Baseball. - Bill Veeck
by PeteyHendrix on Feb 16, 2009 1:31 AM EST up reply actions
I care more about the women's results than their body types
Soy el niño destructor. I eat kids for breakfast. Roar. - Juan Francisco 'spoken with an Italian accent'
by jacob brumfield on Feb 16, 2009 6:20 AM EST up reply actions
hollah
Im watching the Mark Whiten 4 HR game tivo’d from the MLB Network. Brumfield had a strong arm, didnt remember that.
This game is a tad nostalgic. The lineup?
LF Thomas Howard
CF Jacob Brumfield
1B Hal Morris
3B Chris Sabo
RF Tim Costo
2B Juan Samuel
C Dan Wilson
SS Jeff Branson
P Larry Luebbers
Ok, im officially way WAY more optimistic for this season.
"aw....c'mon. That's suck! I heard Coldplay on WARM98" obc son(after watching the band win Best Rock Grammy)
wow
that lineup is awful. Sabo and Morris may have been the only legitimate major leaguers in that lineup.
We’’re in process of trying to a guy with a trade record of working with pitches
at that point their careers, I mean
We’’re in process of trying to a guy with a trade record of working with pitches
It gets better
Greg Tubbs and Brian Dorsett PH. Mike Anderson,Chris Bushing and Dibble relieved. Gary Varsho and Jack Daugherty were the substitute OF’s. I remember three of the players mentiond in this post.
This was game two of a DH and the twilight game had 15 pitchers used in a 9 inning game. Joe Torre managed the Cards and Todd Zeile committed his 28th error ytd at the hot corner. EE’s not so bad!!!!
"aw....c'mon. That's suck! I heard Coldplay on WARM98" obc son(after watching the band win Best Rock Grammy)
Thanks for the amendment.
I thought I was going to have to spend precious time defending Dan Wilson.
But wow, I had forgotten about Tim Costo. In fact, I am now going to have to spend precious time checking him on BBRef to see if he is who I think I remember him being.
by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 16, 2009 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
hey now,
Jacob Brumfield put up a 135 OPS+ in 68 games in ’94! He was so valuable as to be traded for THE Danny Clyburn!
There is no need to besmirch his good name!
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by Cy Schourek on Feb 16, 2009 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
hear, hear
Soy el niño destructor. I eat kids for breakfast. Roar. - Juan Francisco 'spoken with an Italian accent'
by jacob brumfield on Feb 20, 2009 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
That outlook will certainly increase your OBP.
There are only two seasons - winter and Baseball. - Bill Veeck
by PeteyHendrix on Feb 16, 2009 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
Least surprising analysis of the past decade
From The Fay’s blog:
Cueto’s stuff is certainly good enough to win with. I think if he matures he can have a double-digit win year.
Way to go out on a limb. The kid won 9 last year.
"aw....c'mon. That's suck! I heard Coldplay on WARM98" obc son(after watching the band win Best Rock Grammy)
wow, thats like saying
“I think Madville is going to say something that makes us uncomfortable in the next 2 weeks. Call it a hunch.”
(all out of love, baby)
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by Cy Schourek on Feb 16, 2009 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
Hey for you guys and gals with kids!
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Great for consenting adults too!
I may be insensitive and crude, but a racist NEVER.
Mads
you have an anal fixation
be sure to let therapist know before it goes to far.
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the rapist?
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by chandrathan on Feb 16, 2009 7:48 PM EST up reply actions
all I'll admit
is that there is an intentional typo in there.
We’’re in process of trying to a guy with a trade record of working with pitches
analrapist
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by chandrathan on Feb 16, 2009 7:58 PM EST up reply actions
the world's first analyst and therapist
"I like to think more in terms of him his in-scoring position percentage." - Dusty Baker (2009) regarding Corey Patterson's relationship with his daughter
by BK on Feb 16, 2009 8:53 PM EST up reply actions
It says it's MUSICAL...
That’s just sort of disturbing…
People Don't Kill People. Burning Couches Kill People.
A reference I get!
Although I hate that “song”…
People Don't Kill People. Burning Couches Kill People.
hey you disgusting slob
you’d better take the trash out
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by chandrathan on Feb 16, 2009 9:22 PM EST up reply actions
quality
a reference crolfer gets, but no one else does
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by chandrathan on Feb 16, 2009 9:28 PM EST up reply actions
I'd guess there are a few on here that get that.
People Don't Kill People. Burning Couches Kill People.
eh, whatever
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by chandrathan on Feb 16, 2009 9:30 PM EST up reply actions
they won't admit it
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by chandrathan on Feb 16, 2009 9:33 PM EST up reply actions
Some rivalry between Columbia and the Lou I don't know about?
(And yes, I know it’s because you don’t like rap music, but that’s lame)
by Brendanukkah on Feb 16, 2009 9:27 PM EST up reply actions
From McCoy's blog:
"IN HONOR of St. Valentine’s Day, when the pitchers finished their first day’s workout, they found valentine’s addressed to them in the clubhouse. Pitching coach Dick Pole personally signed each one and inside they said, "You’re magical."
<3<3<3<3 link
Everybody's a jerk. You. Me. This jerk.
i thought that was weird
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by justin007000 on Feb 16, 2009 9:52 PM EST up reply actions
Speaking of magic...
Yesterday I found a broken lighter and it would spark whenever I tried to make it light… My sister asked what it was and I told her it was magical “Lithium Fire” which would never actually catch fire. Yeah…
People Don't Kill People. Burning Couches Kill People.
I would pay a good sum of money
for a Valentine signed by Dick Pole.
by ken on Feb 16, 2009 9:58 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I couldn't agree more.
rec’d
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