Guess a 25 man Roster
by justin007000 on Feb 14, 2009 4:08 PM EST
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I like to do this every year at the start of spring training, and again in the middle of March. Who do you think will make the spring training roster?
Starting Staff: Harang, Volquez, Arroyo, Cueto, and Bailey.
Closer:Coco
Relievers: Rhodes, Weathers, Lincoln, Burton, Roenickie, and Owenings. ( I hate that Rhodes is blocking out younger players.)
Catcher:
Hernandez, Hannigan
Infield: Votto, Phillips, Keppinger, EdE, Janish, and Ward.
Outfield: Bruce, Dickerson, T-Virus, Gomes, and Hairston
DL: Gonzo
Opening day lineup
CF: T-Virus
SS: Kepp
RF:Bruce
2B:Phillips
1B: Votto
LF: Dickerson
3B: EdE
C: Hernandez
P: Harang
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I think justin is almost dead on
except for:
1. Spelling
2. Masset instead of Josh Roenicke due to Masset being out of options.
There are only two seasons - winter and Baseball. - Bill Veeck
by PeteyHendrix on Feb 14, 2009 4:27 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
you are right
i didn’t even take options into consideration.
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions!"- Dr. Stephen T. Colbert DFA.
by justin007000 on Feb 14, 2009 4:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I say Bray replaces someone
and Castillo
Reds fan for 40 years!
by gejoe on Feb 14, 2009 4:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
forgot about bray
i should have had the 40 man up when i did this. But the bullpen is overcrowded with Weathers, LIncoln, and Rhodes, really one of those three might not have been a bad idea, but all three is a bit much, especially with the young talents of Roinecke, Ramram, Fisher, and Maloney waiting in the wings. Fucking Joccety.
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions!"- Dr. Stephen T. Colbert DFA.
by justin007000 on Feb 14, 2009 4:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We might well see several veteran arms traded at the deadline.
With prospects coming back and second-half opportunities for the prospects. In a rebuilding year, that could end up being quite shrewd, if not completely intentional.
I don’t think they expected Weathers to return.
There are only two seasons - winter and Baseball. - Bill Veeck
by PeteyHendrix on Feb 14, 2009 4:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I was expecting to see that at the last trading deadline
If it doesn’t happen this year I will absolutely lose my shit.
by Brendanukkah on Feb 14, 2009 5:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Are you the real Aaron Harang?
...because there's already someone posing as Jacob Brumfield
by Cy Schourek on Feb 14, 2009 5:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I also think
switch EdE and Dickerson in the lineup – lefty/righty thangy
Reds fan for 40 years!
by gejoe on Feb 14, 2009 4:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And Bray replaces Janish
He won’t see 80 AB’s in MLB this year.
There are only two seasons - winter and Baseball. - Bill Veeck
by PeteyHendrix on Feb 14, 2009 4:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i think they need a second shortstop
although they may think that Hairston is a solid second choice.
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions!"- Dr. Stephen T. Colbert DFA.
by justin007000 on Feb 14, 2009 4:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hairston and Keppinger will be filling that duty
Or maybe that Travelocity gnome. He’s got comparable range.
by Brendanukkah on Feb 14, 2009 5:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He's been everywhere, man
he’s been everywhere.
That could actually be the orbitz commercial, though…
...because there's already someone posing as Jacob Brumfield
by Cy Schourek on Feb 14, 2009 5:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it's Quality Inn or somethin
Everybody's a jerk. You. Me. This jerk.
by andromache on Feb 14, 2009 7:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't click it.
You don’t know where that link’s been.
by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 15, 2009 1:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
maybe it's the desperation talking
but that roster doesn’t look all bad. if gomes could win left and dickerson could win center, i’d be happy.
gonzo won’t start the year on the dl – he’ll be at short on opening day.
by Daedalus on Feb 14, 2009 5:01 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
you tell good jokes
“gonzo won’t start the year on the dl”
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions!"- Dr. Stephen T. Colbert DFA.
by justin007000 on Feb 14, 2009 5:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
There are some funnies here...
dickerson could win center
Nope. T-virus is the starter. Next year, too.
if gomes could win left and dickerson could win center
And if they were in the lineup together, one of them would be an automatic out (L/R splits)
Not that the good sister was being serious…
There are only two seasons - winter and Baseball. - Bill Veeck
by PeteyHendrix on Feb 14, 2009 6:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i was counting on ash getting out the rifle for havoc...
by Daedalus on Feb 14, 2009 6:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Solid plan.
We’re all behind you.
That said, once the season starts, I am really hoping that Willy wins the MVP award. While that won’t actually, happen, I am rooting that hard for him. I want him to succeed. We all want him to succeed, and lead the Reds to many victories. We just don’t often say it on this site. Go Willy!
That said, the rifle may be a more practical approach to success.
There are only two seasons - winter and Baseball. - Bill Veeck
by PeteyHendrix on Feb 14, 2009 6:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I posted this in BK's "Who Are We Watching" thread last week.
Gomes hit 21 homers in 101 games and finished third in the 2005 AL Rookie of the Year balloting.
The next season he hit well. For a month. Since May 8 2007, Gomes has given the world:
268 games
777 ABs
247 strikeouts
84 walks
.208 BA
Here’s what he’s done as a substitute throughout his career: .167/.258/.315
Here’s what he’s done against relievers throughout his career: .204/.312/.374
But he has hit lefties well throughout his career (with the exception of last season… does anyone know if he was injured?) so Dusty’ll love having him off the bench to face Neal Cotts in the seventh.
I don’t think we want Gomes to make the 25-man roster, let alone go to the plate three or four or five times every day.
by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 15, 2009 1:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
change of scenery
it’s about time a guy who did poorly on a team comes to the Reds and does well instead of the other way around like it seems to be.
by Daedalus on Feb 15, 2009 2:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps.
At this point in Spring Training I’d rather hold out hope that Alonso blows up and forces Dusty to move Votto to left. This season. (I do believe in fairies. I do! I do!)
Once that faint possibility fades away, I suppose you might get me on the Gomes-platooning-in-left bandwagon with a hearty “meh.”
by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 15, 2009 9:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
how would Alonso immolating himself help?
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions!"- Dr. Stephen T. Colbert DFA.
by justin007000 on Feb 15, 2009 10:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i thought about posting a picture of a man immolating himself
but i thought that might be going too far.
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions!"- Dr. Stephen T. Colbert DFA.
by justin007000 on Feb 15, 2009 10:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i guess was Chenney's job to eat puppies?
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions!"- Dr. Stephen T. Colbert DFA.
by justin007000 on Feb 15, 2009 10:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
A true artist of of the pictoral editorial has returned!
Hail Alan
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Hail
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Quentin Crisp
by Madville on Feb 15, 2009 11:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
alan
don’t ever leave us again
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by justin007000 on Feb 16, 2009 8:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hell yeah!
"I AM ARABIC FOR SUGAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!" -- by sukr on Jan 12, 2009 4:55 PM EST
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warning: stick figure violence
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by BubbaFan on Feb 15, 2009 11:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What players have come to the Reds as a "change of scenery
Plenty
There are only two seasons - winter and Baseball. - Bill Veeck
by PeteyHendrix on Feb 16, 2009 12:25 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I took a look to see how valid this perception might be...
Who has come here as a change of scenery candidate who flopped? Who has been more successful with other teams? While lots of players come and go and have ups and downs, here are some recent examples that I think fall into the “change of scenery” group:
Improvements once a Red:
Brandon Phillips
Edinson Volquez
Josh Hamilton
Jerry Hairston, Jr.
Jose Guillen
Pete Schourek
Todd Jones
Ruben Rivera
Danny Jackson
Mark Wohlers
Pete Harnisch
Jorge Cantu
Declines/still crappy once a Red:
Ken Griffey, Jr.
Corey Patterson
Eric Milton
Ramon Ortiz
Ben Weber
Jung Bong
Kevin Wickander
Improved after leaving:
Todd Coffey
Josh Hancock
Brady Clark
Declines/no improvement after leaving:
Felipe Lopez
Danny Graves
Jason LaRue
Austin Kearns
Wily Mo Pena
D’Angelo Jimenez
Ryan Wagner
John Franco
Jose Acevedo
Ken Griffey, Jr.
Ruben Rivera
Mark Wohlers
This is terribly subjective in both what names are listed and how they fared, but I don’t think I am far off here. Again, I am listing only those whom I think the title “change of scenery candidate” applies" I think if “change of scenery” is a valid concept (and why wouldn’t it be?), then I think we’ve gotten better than we’ve given.
What do the rest of you think?
There are only two seasons - winter and Baseball. - Bill Veeck
by PeteyHendrix on Feb 16, 2009 1:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nice list
My biggest issue is we should take the aging curve into account. I think of Dante Bichette as a failure, but looking back he was 36 and put up the same OPS+ he had in Coors field. We talked about this before, but I don’t think Danny Jackson belongs on the improved-as-a-Red list.
improved after leaving
Paul O’Neil
Trevor Hoffman
Frank something or other
And we should claim Joe Morgan for our Midas touch list. Bret Boone can be on both sides. He improved after coming over to the Reds, then suspiciously improved much later.
Does Griffey really belong as a “change of scenery” guy considering he came over at the height of his powers?
by Red Menace on Feb 16, 2009 1:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think my distinction here is...
that I only included folks whom I thought “needed a change of scenery,” be it from attitude, interpersonal conflicts, a clean slate away from past expectations/soured fans, or a new start after a craptastic year. Many on this list were described in newspaper accounts of the day as needing a change of scenery.
I don’t know that Danny Jackson needed a change of scenery, but I suspect he did. He lost 18 games for the Royals the year before he joined the Reds, then won 23 while improving his game in almost every way. I can’t think that any fan base would be verbally supportive of a pitcher with 18 losses. I imagine that shedding some of that KC failure baggage did him a lot of good.
Paul O’Neill was happy as a Red, and was not traded as part of a COS (change of scenery), in my mind, even though he clearly benefited from the change. Here, COS was not the purpose of the trade, or even a component of it, but rather a re-structuring of talent from each GM’s perspective.
Trevor Hoffman was drafted as part of an expansion draft because he arguably showed less talent than 27 (or so) other Reds at the time. COS does not apply as a cause or impetus.
Frank Robinson might have needed a change of scenery, as did Milt Pappas. However, both were successful before and after the trade, so I didn’t include them.
I left out Dante Bichette for the same reason you describe – and as a FA, I am not sure he needed a change of scenery so much as a steady paycheck and playing time.
I don’t think Bret Boone nor Joe Morgan needed a COS. Both hit well the seasons before they came to the Reds.
I listed Griffey here twice. Coming here was a change of scenery that he demanded amidst death threats in Seattle following his voiced displeasure at the direction of the franchise. That’s clearly a COS situation. Leaving for the ChiSox, some suspected, might be the change of scenery he needed to jumpstart his season…perhaps the pennant chase was just what he needed…it just didn’t work out.
There are only two seasons - winter and Baseball. - Bill Veeck
by PeteyHendrix on Feb 16, 2009 4:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
"I can’t think that any fan base would be verbally supportive of a pitcher with 18 losses."
well, it was actually 17, but nobody here hates on Aaron Harang.
Not that he deserves our hate, far from it. But I think its worth mentioning.
...because there's already someone posing as Jacob Brumfield
by Cy Schourek on Feb 16, 2009 12:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought of that example.
But I dismissed it as a poor one. Everyone knows Harang was mis-used last year, and injured. Jackson was 37-49 for KC before he became a Red. Harang had won 16 games each of the previous two seasons before the ’08 debacle, and was a CY Young consideration both years. He started 2008 with an ERA of 3.50 before that fateful, ill-advised relief appearance. And in his final 8 starts after finding his post-DL legs resulted in an ERA of 4.30, which was 0.21 below leage average for the year.
With that, I don’t feel it’s a reasonable comparison, and so I dismissed it.
There are only two seasons - winter and Baseball. - Bill Veeck
by PeteyHendrix on Feb 16, 2009 2:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
great, now I have to argue with you...
Jackson had an ERA that was 14% better than the league average when he went 9-18. His two seasons before that were even better. All this while being just 25 years old in his last season with the Royals.
If he needed a change of scenery, it was to get off of the lowest scoring team in the American League. Go back and look at that 1987 Royals pitching staff. Every starter had an ERA+ of at least 114 and they had two 18-game losers. Jackson got just 3.5 runs per game in support and his offense scored over 3 runs in just 14 of his 34 starts. In 1988 with the Reds, he got 4.75 R/G in support and the Reds scored under 4 runs in 15 of 35 starts.
Jackson pitched slightly better in 1988 than 1987 (the only real improvement was his walks which he cut nearly in half). But he benefited more from playing on a better team than anything.
We’’re in process of trying to a guy with a trade record of working with pitches
by Slyde on Feb 16, 2009 3:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
Danny Jackson was legit before he was acquired by the Reds. That was a huge, huge move in its day.
"aw....c'mon. That's suck! I heard Coldplay on WARM98" obc son(after watching the band win Best Rock Grammy)
by obc2 on Feb 16, 2009 4:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm convinced.
Danny Jackson is hereby released from the confines of my list.
May he forever saw off the handles of righties’ bats and never change his scenery!
There are only two seasons - winter and Baseball. - Bill Veeck
by PeteyHendrix on Feb 17, 2009 1:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you also forgot lohse, franklin, and dempster
off the top of my head
by Daedalus on Feb 17, 2009 4:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Why would you refer to those guys as "change of scenery" guys?
There are only two seasons - winter and Baseball. - Bill Veeck
by PeteyHendrix on Feb 17, 2009 4:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm worried that Chris Dickerson may be shoved under the rug ny the Master Bunter - McHopper - hopefully not but he'll have a hard time beating out Cherry in Left as Dusty loves VPness.
Starters: Harang, Volquez, Arroyo, Cueto, and Owenings
Closer:Coco
Relievers: Rhodes, Weathers, Lincoln, Burton, Roenickie, and Bray
Catcher: Hernandez, Hannigan
Infield: Votto, Phillips, Keppinger, EdE, Gonzales, and Ward.
Outfield: Bruce, Dickerson, T-Virus, Gomes, and Hairston
Opening day lineup
CF: T-Virus
LF: Hairston Jr.
RF:Bruce
2B:Phillips
1B: Votto
3B: EdE
SS: Gonzo
C: Hernandez
P: Harang
I see C-Dicked dicked.
I hope Bailey makes its but its a loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong shot.
I put Owenings in the rotation – don’t know where else to put him but he’ll be on the roster.
This a fairly mediocre line up – 78 – 80 wins tops.
If at first you don't succeed, failure may be your style.
Quentin Crisp
by Madville on Feb 14, 2009 8:55 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
how long can one make a subject line before it just cuts you off and then you can't write anymore because i always thought there was just a limit but then i see you were able to write two lines in the subject so i must have been mistaken in my idea of the
length a subject can be. i guess that’s the limit.
by Daedalus on Feb 15, 2009 2:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
before the change last spring we had a shorter subject limit.
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions!"- Dr. Stephen T. Colbert DFA.
by justin007000 on Feb 15, 2009 2:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
LGT only hates subject lines because people from Cleveland can't spell
and firefox doesn’t autocheck spelling in the subject field.
Made from 100% recycled awesome,
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unless you instruct it to do so.
People Don't Kill People. Burning Couches Kill People.
by crolfer on Feb 15, 2009 2:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
speaking of Cleveland LGTs...
Ohio Woman Exercises Hubby to Death
CHARDON — A 41-year-old transgender woman pleaded guilty on Thursday to reckless homicide for exercising her 73-year-old husband to death.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
by BubbaFan on Feb 15, 2009 3:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i'm never marrying a transgender woman
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions!"- Dr. Stephen T. Colbert DFA.
by justin007000 on Feb 15, 2009 3:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The really weird thing
is that he was an old family friend who knew her/him from birth. Personally, I don’t date anyone if I used to change their diaper.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
by BubbaFan on Feb 15, 2009 4:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hear that Madville?
Hands off the BF!
"I AM ARABIC FOR SUGAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!" -- by sukr on Jan 12, 2009 4:55 PM EST
by jch24 on Feb 17, 2009 10:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Damn, foiled again
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Mads
by Madville on Feb 17, 2009 11:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Gripe and moan - Moan and gripe
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Quentin Crisp
by Madville on Feb 15, 2009 6:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
count me as one fan
who would really hate to see bruce in the 3 spot. Votto more than earned it last year. Don’t get me wrong bruce will be/is an absolute stud, but he had some massive up and down streaks. the three spot is something you should have to earn, doesnt make a damn bit of difference what prospect ranking you get.
by sharks on Feb 14, 2009 9:22 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Bruce's streaks
It will be interesting to see if he adjusted his swing or pitch recognition at all over the offseason and in spring training. A full season of at-bats for him, and he’ll be challenging Adam Dunn when it comes to strikeouts. I shudder to think what will happen when the fans turn on him for the K’s.
by Brendanukkah on Feb 15, 2009 12:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Im going to say it. and ill be right
Jacque Jones in left. 400 abs next year
No bees? Then who will sting me and walk on my sandwiches?
by The Crushinator on Feb 14, 2009 10:27 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
you are not helping my hangover/still drunkeness
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions!"- Dr. Stephen T. Colbert DFA.
by justin007000 on Feb 15, 2009 9:56 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Did you Paint the Town Red?
There are only two seasons - winter and Baseball. - Bill Veeck
by PeteyHendrix on Feb 15, 2009 10:36 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
25 man prediction
Rotation
Harang
Volquez
Arroyo
Cueto
Bailey/Owings
Bullpen
Closer – CoCo
Weathers
Burton
Rhodes
Bray
Lincoln
Long man – Bailey/Owings
OF
Bruce
Willy T
Hairston
C Dick
Gomes
Infield
Votto
Phillips
Gonzalez
EE
Hernandez
Hanigan
Keppinger
Rosales
by Dave from Louisville on Feb 15, 2009 12:09 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
please
no more BP hitting clean-up. put edwin there.
by saboscork on Feb 15, 2009 1:09 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
FAY'S 25 man roster errily the same as mine.
He has a couple players out of position and includes Homer…
But either way we both have picked a most mediocre crew – esp. offensively.
Here’s da LINK
http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20090214/SPT04/902150303
If at first you don't succeed, failure may be your style.
Quentin Crisp
by Madville on Feb 15, 2009 11:52 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Welp, not so much what I think it would be, but what I`d like it to be
Starting Staff: Harang, Volquez, Arroyo, Cueto, and Owings.
Closer:Coco
Relievers: Rhodes, Weathers, Lincoln, Burton, Bray, and Herrera.
Catcher: Hernandez, Hannigan
Infield: Votto, Phillips, Kepp , EdE, Gonzales, and Castillo.
Outfield: Bruce, Dickerson, Willy T, Gomes, and Hairston
Opening day lineup
CF: Hairston
SS: Gonzales
RF:Bruce
1B: Votto
2B:Phillips
3B: EdE
LF: Gomes
C: Hernandez
P: Harang
This being said, I think Dusty and others are actively trying to keep Dickerson off the starting line-up, and they just think last year was the biggest fluke of all time…and Willy T will start, but I dont want him to, if you only got him for his SB just put his ass on the bench and make him the most used pinch runner to ever exist. But once again this is the line-up I WANT to see. Id also like to see Alonso or Francisco have a stellar ST and make the line-up, because it would take a fluke break out like this for us to have a good season. I dont know Im interested in our situation right now, I think Im going to make a fanpost about it
by Reynard on Feb 16, 2009 5:01 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
RE: Alonso and Fransisco
Do YOU believe in fairies?
I DO! I DO!
by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 16, 2009 5:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Some fairies are larger than life
I may be insensitive and crude, but a racist NEVER.
Mads
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