Ranting about the Reds
by Dave from Louisville on Feb 11, 2009 9:36 PM EST
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Reasons to be upset with the Reds this offseason:
1. Weathers (~4 mil) + Lincoln (~1.5 mil) does not equal Abreu (5 mil). Seriously 5 mil for Abreu, he would be awesome back in the NL.
2. What happened to trading for a big bat? Nady, Swisher, Dye....what the hell Walt?
3. What happened to defense???? EE is not a 1B
Reasons to watch the Reds:
1. You're a real fan, not one of those weak fairweather bitches.
2. Volquez carries a piece
3. Bruce/Votto HR over/under is 60
4. Cueto, Arroyo, Harang, Volquez could all conceivably have ERAs lower than 4.0
5. Youngs Guns are fun to watch!
Question to ponder
1. Do we root for the Nats in the East?
2. Who really cares about A-riod, he is still one of the best players of all time.
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Something I've been wondering...
when did Xavier Nady become a real option for an everyday outfielder? There is a lot of pining for him it seems, but i’ve never regarded him as anything but a marginal player. It seems like the Yankees got him for basically nothing.
I know swisher was at one time held in a little higher esteem, but the yankees also didn’t give up much to get him.
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by chandrathan on Feb 11, 2009 9:40 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
i agree on Nady. he's a schlump.
but the Yankees gave up a goodly bit of talent for him. Karstens and Ohlendorf are back-end rotation types, and Jose Tabata is a good looking young outfielder the Yankees were pretty high on when they dealt him.
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by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 11, 2009 10:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
meh on nady
id rather give Dunn 2 yrs at $20 mil. Nady aint all that.
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by obc2 on Feb 11, 2009 11:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yes
The Yankees gave up a lot for Nady.
They have more right-handed pitchers than they know what to do with, but Tabata used to be their Jay Bruce.
OTOH, they got Damaso Marte along with Nady, and they’d been trying to get Marte back for a long time.
And the Yankees were not that high on Tabata when they traded him. He wasn’t progressing as they’d hoped. And he had some attitude issues. He was still very young, so I don’t think they’d given up on him. But he was no longer untouchable.
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by BubbaFan on Feb 12, 2009 12:42 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They also got Marte in that deal
by Dave from Louisville on Feb 12, 2009 7:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
boom
There's action across the street. It's Snowman! Take him!
by Man Mountain on Feb 12, 2009 4:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't get it
Everybody's a jerk. You. Me. This jerk.
by andromache on Feb 13, 2009 10:30 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't it Lou-a-vull?
says the Oldham County boy.
Whether you like it or not, history is on our side. We will bury you.
by "Red" Moskau on Feb 13, 2009 3:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
as another resident
the whole pronunciation argument is way overblown. i dont know anyone who really cares how you pronounce it, and everyone says it differently. i say it one of three different ways depending on the day. i think it’s just something that out-of-towners latch onto as a quirk of the area. folks, no one will look at you sideways if you pronounce it “looeyville.”
at least, so says the new albany boy. curious what other folks from the area think.
What do you mean, "blank slate"?
by boobs on Feb 13, 2009 6:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I believe
that LOU-ISS-VILL is NOT an acceptable pronunciation, and will get you looked at like the tourist you are.
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by PeteyHendrix on Feb 13, 2009 7:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No dead pool posting on Friday the 13th?
Really?
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by PeteyHendrix on Feb 13, 2009 7:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
its still early
and im still at work
What do you mean, "blank slate"?
by boobs on Feb 13, 2009 7:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
New Albany-- home of the New Albanian Brewpub
Rich O’s— finest selection around!
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by "Red" Moskau on Feb 13, 2009 8:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
indeed
the snobbiest beer snobs around. great food/beer
What do you mean, "blank slate"?
by boobs on Feb 13, 2009 8:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
not much in the way of baseball smarts, though
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by "Red" Moskau on Feb 13, 2009 9:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Best pub around
The comic book style art work for each beer is awesome.
Community Dark and Hoptimus Prime are my favorite.
by Dave from Louisville on Feb 14, 2009 5:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I've always said looeyville
That’s the way my dad pronounces it so that’s where I learned.
"I AM ARABIC FOR SUGAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!" -- by sukr on Jan 12, 2009 4:55 PM EST
by jch24 on Feb 16, 2009 11:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i thought the only people who said looeyville were the people making fun of it
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by chandrathan on Feb 16, 2009 11:25 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and people with lesser mental capabilities
We’’re in process of trying to a guy with a trade record of working with pitches
by Slyde on Feb 16, 2009 12:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
thats how they pronounce it
At the restaurant atop the Louisville Slugger bat.
"aw....c'mon. That's suck! I heard Coldplay on WARM98" obc son(after watching the band win Best Rock Grammy)
by obc2 on Feb 16, 2009 1:06 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Evidently, that's the Standard English pronunciation.
From Wikkapeedya:
Most native residents pronounce the city’s name /ˈluːǝvǝl/ (help·info) LOO-ə-vəl. Often this shortens further to /ˈlʌvǝl/ LUV-əl, pronounced far back in the mouth, in the top of the throat. The standard English pronunciation, however, is /ˈluːiːvɪl/ LOO-ee-vil, which is often used by political leaders and in the media. No matter how Louisville is pronounced, however, the ‘s’ is always silent. (This contrasts with cities in Colorado, Georgia, Mississippi, Nebraska, Ohio, and Tennessee, all of which are spelled the same, but are pronounced /ˈluːɪsvɪl/ LOO-is-vil.)
The variability of the local pronunciation of the city’s name can perhaps be laid at the feet of the city’s location on the border between the Northern and Southern regions of the United States. Louisville’s diverse population has traditionally represented elements of both Northern and Southern culture.
Regional migration patterns and the homogenization of dialect due to electronic media also may be responsible for the incidence of native-born Louisvillians adopting or affecting the standard English pronunciation. Nevertheless, the /ˈluːǝvǝl/ pronunciation is most popular among residents and is, with few exceptions, used by news and sports reporters.
Who woulda thunk it?
by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 16, 2009 2:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
maybe im alone here
but im really finding it unendingly funny that a city and its people cannot agree on a pronunciation of the town. whichever way you want to pronounce it. is there any other city in the world with this kind of schizophrenia? it just sounds so….uniquely Louisvillian to me.
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by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 16, 2009 2:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Cincinnata.
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by Slyde on Feb 16, 2009 2:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You mean 'Nati?
Porkopolis? The Queen City?
Sin- suh-nah-duh?
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by PeteyHendrix on Feb 16, 2009 4:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
"home of the world's shittiest chili"
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by chandrathan on Feb 16, 2009 4:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
nuh uh
you are.
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by Slyde on Feb 16, 2009 4:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
HEY!
We aren’t supposed to attack people..
I hate the idea of you
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by chandrathan on Feb 16, 2009 4:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I hate you 3-ways.
I hate you over spaghetti.
I hate you with cheese.
I hate you with onions.
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by PeteyHendrix on Feb 16, 2009 4:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
with onions is a 4-way
duh
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by Slyde on Feb 16, 2009 4:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Or as UK fans call it
Cinncinnapolis
by Dave from Louisville on Feb 16, 2009 11:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Liar.
That word is not one syllable.
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by Pops Daniels on Feb 17, 2009 9:03 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Congratulations on the one SEC win
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by chandrathan on Feb 17, 2009 9:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
God that's funny, rec'd
"I AM ARABIC FOR SUGAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!" -- by sukr on Jan 12, 2009 4:55 PM EST
by jch24 on Feb 17, 2009 10:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ever been to Versailles, KY?
"I AM ARABIC FOR SUGAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!" -- by sukr on Jan 12, 2009 4:55 PM EST
by jch24 on Feb 16, 2009 4:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ver-sells
duh
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by chandrathan on Feb 16, 2009 4:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
There is also Athens, KY
That is pronounced with a Long A sound
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by chandrathan on Feb 16, 2009 4:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
well, there's Russia, Ohio
pronounced Rue-she
by Daedalus on Feb 16, 2009 4:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Versailles, OH has the long "a" sound
Versales.
by Brendanukkah on Feb 16, 2009 5:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
right, and they are next to each other
there’s also Houston pronounced Howston right in that area, but NYC pronounces it Howston Street, so I guess there’s precedence.
by Daedalus on Feb 16, 2009 5:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, and Mantua, OH
is pronounced “Manoway.” Everyone there agrees how to pronounce it. Everyone there is simultaneously sticking their fingers up at the English and Italian languages.
by Brendanukkah on Feb 16, 2009 5:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
there's Piqua
pronounced Pick-way by the farmers. And Bellfontaine pronounced Bell Fountain.
by Daedalus on Feb 16, 2009 5:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and New Lebanon
is New Lebb-nuhn
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by PeteyHendrix on Feb 16, 2009 9:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Is that where you're from?
I had a good friend from there.
by Brendanukkah on Feb 16, 2009 9:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Naw, I'm from North Dayton.
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by PeteyHendrix on Feb 16, 2009 9:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
there is a versailles, oh
which is real close to Russia, OH pronounced “Rosh-ie”. About 50 miles north is lima.
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by justin007000 on Feb 16, 2009 5:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i should really read all the posts before plagerizing.
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by justin007000 on Feb 16, 2009 5:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Derby Pie there is the BEST
rec’d
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by "Red" Moskau on Feb 17, 2009 10:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
the lesser mental capablities are the ones who don't pronounce it looeyville
The man for whom the city is named after is called looey, as in King Louis XVI. That’s 16 for the ones who can’t pronounce Louis correctly.
The other way is a hillbilly pronunciation brought about by the fact that half of Kentucky is illiterate. (Ok, it’s not half – it’s only 40%.)
by Daedalus on Feb 16, 2009 4:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You know
for someone who decries racism as much as you do, there is one particular set of people that you are always quick to put down
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by chandrathan on Feb 16, 2009 4:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They fry up one heckuva potato.
Had me some at Wendy’s this morn.’
by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 16, 2009 5:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
as a Unitarian/Diest
I am kinda tired of the attitudes towards non-Christians.
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by justin007000 on Feb 16, 2009 7:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
/bigotted
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by PeteyHendrix on Feb 16, 2009 9:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you want to know what bigotry is?
this is bigotry, so FU.
this is a result of the holier than thou insert cuss word here who think because they were born they are better than everyone else. you know what? fguick them. fguick bigots.
by Daedalus on Feb 17, 2009 8:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
agreed on the gay issue
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by chandrathan on Feb 17, 2009 8:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
please forgive me if i've been overly critical of a "certain type" or whatever
but it’s things like this that shape my “world view.” yes, i know plenty of people who would be considered ‘hillbillies’ are not like this (i use the term loosely and sort of in jest but only half sort of for lack of a better term). in fact, during campaigning last year, i was shocked by people who i would have guessed would have put burning crosses on their yards were staunch supporters of a ‘black’ president, just for example. it was like when i canvassed the DC projects in 2003 for howard dean. that’s when i realized i had been sheltered in my life. i had the BEST political and intellectual discussions of my life in an apartment complex that had its own police station. that’s an aside, though. look, i canvassed a lot last year. i knocked on literally thousands of doors and had more conversations with people from southwest ohio than people who’ve lived here for a decade do. and i’m still scarred from it.
as far as the illiteracy thing goes, let me make it clear that i am a volunteer tutor for adult literacy classes and don’t blame people who enter adulthood illiterate. i blame society for letting that happen. let it be said that i am utterly embarrassed that in 2009 US, a state can have a 40% illiteracy rate. but i was quick to berate, so i apologize for that. let it also be said that i am really, really, really upset that mississipi, for example, has a higher infant mortality rate than many third world countries. isn’t it time we fix that?
sorry for that. i never said i wasn’t hypersensitive! :( (and to be fair, the subject of my post was copied from slyde’s condemnation above of people who say looeyville, which i took offense to, being ‘worldy’ and all. i guess that means i like france.)
by Daedalus on Feb 17, 2009 11:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
God, I hate people
As an adoptee who was in foster care, that really pisses me off.
"I AM ARABIC FOR SUGAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!" -- by sukr on Jan 12, 2009 4:55 PM EST
by jch24 on Feb 17, 2009 8:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
/hypocritical
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by PeteyHendrix on Feb 16, 2009 9:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
this not a reply specifically to Petey
but to everyone involved. knock it off. right now.
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by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 16, 2009 9:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
screw you
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by chandrathan on Feb 16, 2009 9:40 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed.
I should have flagged this as inappropriate instead of calling her on it.
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by PeteyHendrix on Feb 16, 2009 9:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My wife's from Oldham Co.
South Oldham High, to be precise.
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by Pops Daniels on Feb 14, 2009 8:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
There was no South Oldham, yet
when I graduated. But my kid brother was a starting pitcher for the Dragons— either Class of ’93 or ’94.
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by "Red" Moskau on Feb 16, 2009 8:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My wife is class of '92
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by Pops Daniels on Feb 16, 2009 9:24 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nady = not worthy of starting
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by PeteyHendrix on Feb 12, 2009 4:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And the guys we expect to start are?
We want to build long period of time. I didn’t come here for the shot run.
by Gray on Feb 12, 2009 2:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Probably not.
But Nady wouldn’t improve the team talent-wise, and could block player development.
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by PeteyHendrix on Feb 12, 2009 4:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of ranting......
I think the guy who got banned is ripping apart this site on the reds message board. Guess he’s still bitter.
by redsfan 22 on Feb 12, 2009 2:22 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Apparently we're all gweebs over here
I don’t even know what the fuck a gweeb is.
"I like to think more in terms of him his in-scoring position percentage." - Dusty Baker (2009) regarding Corey Patterson's relationship with his daughter
by BK on Feb 12, 2009 9:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
takes one to know one, i guess
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by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 12, 2009 9:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
please tell me it is ctownboy
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by jacob brumfield on Feb 12, 2009 9:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he's one of them
though I don’t think he ever got banned. He pre-dated the site format change and never re-signed up.
It’s Michael that calls us GWEEBS.
FWIW, Dunn still got the second highest contract for all-hit/no-field outfielders behind Raul Ibanez, until Manny signs. Boy, don’t the Phillies look stupid on that one?
Oh, and I think Bowden totally overpaid for Dunn.
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by Slyde on Feb 12, 2009 9:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It's good to see that those two finally found each other
"I like to think more in terms of him his in-scoring position percentage." - Dusty Baker (2009) regarding Corey Patterson's relationship with his daughter
by BK on Feb 12, 2009 9:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
they've been together for a long time on reds.com
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by Slyde on Feb 12, 2009 10:00 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
is it fair to say theyre together again?
What do you mean, "blank slate"?
by boobs on Feb 12, 2009 1:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Also
Michael wasn’t banned because he hated Dunn. He was banned because he was hung up on, nay, consumed with Dunn. He didn’t post anything but Dunn bashing on the site and he rarely engaged in actual conversation. When someone tried to debate him, he simply ignored the other side of the argument and kept spouting off weird metaphors. Surprisingly, he didn’t lose his cool a whole lot, but he did seem to take pleasure in getting a rise out of people.
Basically, he was the very definition of a troll.
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by Slyde on Feb 12, 2009 9:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
oh, eat a peach
Soy el niño destructor. I eat kids for breakfast. Roar. - Juan Francisco 'spoken with an Italian accent'
by jacob brumfield on Feb 12, 2009 10:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He had one prospect topic he was grooming in the minors
Edwin Encarnacion—dead pull hitter. I think he knew Dunn wasn’t long for the Reds and wanted to set the stage. We never should have traded Joe Randa.
by Red Menace on Feb 12, 2009 11:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Suck-Nationals currency converter
Makes $10 million the equivalent of $6-8 million with a real baseball team. They probably needed the sweetener to convince him to play 1B, also.
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by "Red" Moskau on Feb 12, 2009 10:21 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hopefully it's artificial sweetener
Dunn doesn’t need the extra calories.
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by Slyde on Feb 12, 2009 10:28 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
why Dunn will play 1B, found this buried in the contract...
‘Adam Dunn and Austin Kearns will each receive matching bicycles and unlimited tokens to Chuck-E-Cheeses’
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by jacob brumfield on Feb 12, 2009 10:29 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Using that formula...
How much would the Reds have had to pay Abreu to land him? $8M/yr? $10M? The man’s made almost $100M already in his career, so $5M one way or the other might not sway a man in search of the playoffs/limelight over another beach house.
I don’t think we had a chance.
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by PeteyHendrix on Feb 12, 2009 4:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
HIJACK!
Obama has a hilarious potty mouth.
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by jacob brumfield on Feb 12, 2009 3:43 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
those are soooo going to be my new ringtones!
especially the last one.
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by Slyde on Feb 12, 2009 8:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I just love the way MFer rolls of the presidents tongue
almost eloquent
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by jacob brumfield on Feb 12, 2009 9:28 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I have a new sig line!
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by Pops Daniels on Feb 12, 2009 10:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I believe that those aren't Obama's words,
but instead he is quoting a friend.
If they were playing Obama’s actual words, you’d hear the C bomb get dropped a lot more. He loves to say it in front of female dignitaries and staffers, and then just tilt his back…and laugh, laugh, laugh.
“It is, I must admit, my favorite curse word,” President Obama recently said. “But you have to be careful wielding that kind of linguistic power around. Bitches flip their wigs at that shit!”
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by PeteyHendrix on Feb 12, 2009 4:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
"C bomb?"
Cheney?
/rimshot
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by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 12, 2009 5:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
more like "Cubs"
He is a White Sox fan.
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by BubbaFan on Feb 12, 2009 7:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
watch your language, lady!
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by PeteyHendrix on Feb 12, 2009 9:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
In other news
Major League Baseball Commissioner Bud Selig told USA Today in Thursday’s edition that he is contemplating whether a suspension of Alex Rodriguez might be appropriate in the wake of the Yankees third baseman’s admission to the use of banned substances from 2001-2003.
“It was against the law, so I would have to think about that,” Selig said in an interview with Christine Brennan.
I can’t wait until I get retroactively punished for breaking a rule that didn’t exist when I broke it. That sounds like fun.
But this is even stupider:
Selig also told USA Today that as the March 2 trial date for Barry Bonds approaches, he was considering the reinstatement of Henry Aaron as the rightful home run king in the official record books.
So, we’re supposed to act like those home runs didn’t happen? I can understand denouncing Bonds, kicking him out of the game, banning him from the HOF, whatever. But taking away his record? What does that even mean? Records are, uh, records of what happened. Is Bud powerful enough to make things unhappen? If so, then we should throw him in a river and see if he floats, because he’s a witch.
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by Slyde on Feb 12, 2009 3:30 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
honestly
Do any of us really consider Bonds the home run recordholder? I sure as shit dont especially considering he only freaking hit 7 more than Mr Aaron. Now if he had 900+ homers…i’d be inclined to accept his status.
My alltime home run list:
Aaron
Ruth
Mays
Junya
Frank Robinson
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by obc2 on Feb 12, 2009 3:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you think steroids gave Bonds 170+ home runs?
really?
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by Slyde on Feb 12, 2009 3:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My quick calculations atribute 99 extra home runs to barry bonds based on the steroid years.
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by chandrathan on Feb 12, 2009 3:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Are you sure you based that number off of your calculations?
Are you sure it isn’t based off of NOTHING?
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by BK on Feb 12, 2009 3:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
no, i gave him the average of 32 home runs he was hitting a year before 2000
and then subtracted the home runs he hit above 32.
I assumed 5 years of steroids, and came up with the number of 99
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by chandrathan on Feb 12, 2009 3:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
99 seems a little high
I’d say it’s probably closer to the 70s, but it’s hard to say because his aging curve was odd and clearly aided by steroids.
Then again, Hank Aaron’s curve was odd as well.
Bonds is orange, Aaron is blue.
So, it’s not out of the realm of possibility that Bonds could have maintained a high level of skill (though not as high as it actually was) into his 40s. It’s not likely, but not necessarily impossible either.
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by Slyde on Feb 12, 2009 3:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
with the condition of his knees on steroids
i don’t think his decine would have been as slow
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by chandrathan on Feb 12, 2009 4:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
honestly, I don't know
I’ve heard conflicting evidence on what steroids does to joints. Maybe they caused the deterioration of his knees?
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by Slyde on Feb 12, 2009 4:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
/Brandon Larson'ed
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by PeteyHendrix on Feb 12, 2009 4:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
could be...
there’s no real way to tell
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by chandrathan on Feb 12, 2009 4:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
they definitely caused his head to enlarge
and yes, i know…..TWSS.
"aw....c'mon. That's suck! I heard Coldplay on WARM98" obc son(after watching the band win Best Rock Grammy)
by obc2 on Feb 12, 2009 4:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
or he said
right guys? because of gay!
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by chandrathan on Feb 12, 2009 4:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I believe it is
The gay.
"You aint my bitch, n***a. Buy your own damn fries." ---President Obama
by Pops Daniels on Feb 13, 2009 10:16 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This dude, er chick,
Jarmila Kratochvílová, has held the women’s 800m world record since 1983. Steroids do not have any effect on performance. Nice package, sister.
"I'm standing at the plate thinking, Where are my hands? Where's this, where's that? Before I know it, the pitch is there and I'm completely out of rhythm." -
-- Adam Dunn
by Joe Nolan's Glasses on Feb 13, 2009 9:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
800m world record?
Is that how far she threw the shotput?
We’’re in process of trying to a guy with a trade record of working with pitches
by Slyde on Feb 13, 2009 10:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
from her muscular lady parts
she could almost be a hit at bachelor parties
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by chandrathan on Feb 13, 2009 10:09 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah,
she could take the glasses right off my face.
"I'm standing at the plate thinking, Where are my hands? Where's this, where's that? Before I know it, the pitch is there and I'm completely out of rhythm." -
-- Adam Dunn
by Joe Nolan's Glasses on Feb 13, 2009 10:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
are you the real Joe Nolan?
...because there's already someone posing as Jacob Brumfield
by Cy Schourek on Feb 13, 2009 1:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Are you the real Denton True Schourek?
"I like to think more in terms of him his in-scoring position percentage." - Dusty Baker (2009) regarding Corey Patterson's relationship with his daughter
by BK on Feb 13, 2009 1:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Roger Daltrey finally
got out from under Pete Townsend’s shadow.
"You aint my bitch, n***a. Buy your own damn fries." ---President Obama
by Pops Daniels on Feb 13, 2009 10:12 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
whether or not you think he did it legitimately is not the issue
i mean, we all know he did. and every time Bonds is spoken of, whether in the history books or from father to son, his name will always be followed by that caveat. Slyde is right; we cannot change what happened. Bonds hit 762 and that is just a fact. all this hand-wringing and revision-of-record-books bluster is just pathetic. very few think his record is legitimate, but that doesnt mean it didnt happen. let the official records be just that; objective recorded knowledge of the events that took place. leave the normative judgments to the public forum.
My millions are unconventional!
by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 12, 2009 3:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Selig doesn't matter
I will abide by whatever Sean Foreman does.
by Red Menace on Feb 12, 2009 11:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i dont get it
i just dont get it.
My millions are unconventional!
by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 12, 2009 3:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm fine with banning him and keeping him out of the Hall
but if you take the stats away, how does he plan to explain the team statistics and records? Take wins away from his teams? This whole thing is getting silly.
"I like to think more in terms of him his in-scoring position percentage." - Dusty Baker (2009) regarding Corey Patterson's relationship with his daughter
by BK on Feb 12, 2009 3:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I actually don't think he should be kept out of the HOF
Sosa? maybe
McGwire? maybe
Bonds was a hall of famer anyway. Yeah, cheating is bad, but he wouldn’t be the first cheater in the Hall.
We’’re in process of trying to a guy with a trade record of working with pitches
by Slyde on Feb 12, 2009 3:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
exactly
he was the best player in the league for an entire decade (sorry Junya but you know its true as well). and all of that was before he did steroids. he may not have been “best hitter of all time” before the steroids, but he was still definitely hall-worthy.
My millions are unconventional!
by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 12, 2009 4:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not saying he wasn't
but by that token, shouldn’t Pete be in the HOF first? I think what Bonds did was worse, personally.
"I like to think more in terms of him his in-scoring position percentage." - Dusty Baker (2009) regarding Corey Patterson's relationship with his daughter
by BK on Feb 12, 2009 4:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
nope
Pete knew what he was doing was a bannable offense. Regardless of the relative wrongness of what either did, Pete knew what he was risking when it came to his role in baseball.
We’’re in process of trying to a guy with a trade record of working with pitches
by Slyde on Feb 12, 2009 4:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Does that include defense?
I was out of the country for a large part of the Nineties, but my impression was Bonds was indifferent to defense, especially after leaving Pittsburgh. Hell, if Bobby Bonilla was a better choice for RF, you couldn’t have been great.
Junior, on the other hand, was the pre-eminent CF for the decade— or is that just my revisionist history?
Whether you like it or not, history is on our side. We will bury you.
by "Red" Moskau on Feb 12, 2009 5:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
methinks its revisionist
Bonds was actually a very good LF as a youngster (he won like 8 GG in the ’90s), at least until the knee injuries. i recall reading numerous times that Bonds was an above average LF. but Griffey was very overrated as a CF back in the day. he looked good doing it, but apparently his range wasnt all that. now mind you, i have no numbers to back any of this up as UZR only goes back to ’02 and ive never been able to make hide nor hair of range factor.
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by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 12, 2009 6:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
baseball prospectus has him at at least average or above in 9 of 10 year in the 1990s
He started the 90s at about 10-20 runs above average. By the end, except for on freakishly good year, he was below 10 and even negative a couple of times.
BPro has Griffey below average a few years and above average a few years, but never as high as Bonds.
Bonds was basically an average CF playing in LF. Griffey was an average CF playing in CF.
We’’re in process of trying to a guy with a trade record of working with pitches
by Slyde on Feb 12, 2009 6:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Meh!
I’ll take the heat for my selective memory, but I’ve given up Gold Gloves as a measurement of defensive prowess ever since Bobby Abreu got one. Being in the Philly market, I’ve seen plenty of Mr. Abreu; aside from an above average arm, he quit on anything that took him to the warning track and came in on balls like a beginning ice skater. Gold Glove? Meh, I don’t think so.
Whether you like it or not, history is on our side. We will bury you.
by "Red" Moskau on Feb 13, 2009 5:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
even Bobby Abreu
doesn’t think he deserved a GG.
And what did you Philadelphians do to the man, that made him so afraid of the wall? He was scared to even go near it. Like it was going to bite him or something. Are there huge rats in the walls? Do the fans pelt the outfielders with garbage if they get too close? I’ve never seen anyone as skittish of the wall as Abreu. If he’s even within a few feet of it, he gets so nervous he can’t catch the ball.
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by BubbaFan on Feb 13, 2009 6:33 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And thusly...
Abreu has played over 150 games for ELEVEN STRAIGHT YEARS. Remarkable when looked at through the prism of Griffey’s and Larkin’s games played. Perhaps Abreu looks silly avoiding the walls, but perhaps this is vital prudence.
There are only two seasons - winter and Baseball. - Bill Veeck
by PeteyHendrix on Feb 13, 2009 8:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I won't bother going through all the trite Philly fan stories...
they’re well documented and, though mildly embellished, pretty fair. I respect the area fans, though Eagle fans can test that respect. In general, NFL fans believe Sunday is a bacchanalia, so all kinds of excessive behavior result. The Eagle fans are better behaved in the new stadium— particularly because they use the urinals instead of the sinks, now. That said, I’d never wear any non-Eagle gear to a Philly game, whether it’s an opponent or not. On the other hand, I routinely wear a Reds cap or t-shirt to Citizens Bank Park without incident. Of course, that may reflect that the Reds inspire little fear or loathing. Last thing on Philly fans— the Flyers fans in many polls of NHL players are judged the most intense, which I find fascinating as they’re competing against Candian (and Canadien) die-hards and the Wachovia Center is not especially intimate, with fans right on top of you or anything.
Abreu was kind of Philadelphia’s Dunn: a remarkably consistent offensive force with defensive issues and what appeared on the surface to be a lack of passion for the game. His SB/RBI/HR were routinely characterized as the “meaningless” variety. They couldn’t run him out of town because, like Dunn, for many years he was the only talent on offense to watch. He didn’t have anything like the “Banana-phone” prank or the wake-up call for Jay Bruce to humanize or endear him with the fans like Dunn managed. Burrell never reached Dunn status, despite the similarities in power and easily-mocked defense, because during his strikeout binges you could see he was truly lost at the plate, confidence shattered. With Dunner, it was just part of the game, hand-in-hand with the plate discipline that drew all those walks. No one ever questioned his knowledge of the strike zone.
Did I happen to mention I’m a little long-winded?
Whether you like it or not, history is on our side. We will bury you.
by "Red" Moskau on Feb 13, 2009 4:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You might be a little long-winded but..
..the above post includes the type of information and insight (as well as the tight grammar and sentence structure) that’s generally welcomed at Red Reporter.
by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 13, 2009 4:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks
I just need a little practice and I’ll catch up on making fun of sexual preference, religion, employment, heritage, etc. :-)
Whether you like it or not, history is on our side. We will bury you.
by "Red" Moskau on Feb 13, 2009 4:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You better not.
Or I’ll send Gay Jesus to steal your job away and give it to a filthy Icelandic immigrant who comments on Fay’s site!
Also, I was with Alan on the grammar compliment…until you left out a comma in your response. Now you’ve blown my entire image of you!
With that, I will go back to being snarky, preachy, and self-righteous, as Darwin intended.
There are only two seasons - winter and Baseball. - Bill Veeck
by PeteyHendrix on Feb 13, 2009 5:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
sorry that some off us don't use your fancy pancy correct and proper english...
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions!"- Dr. Stephen T. Colbert DFA.
by justin007000 on Feb 13, 2009 8:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't that supposed to be..
…“pantsy”?
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by BubbaFan on Feb 13, 2009 8:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
justin'ed
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by PeteyHendrix on Feb 14, 2009 3:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Abreu
I think he shouldered the burden of being the best player on the bad to so-so Terry Francona and Larry Bowa teams. Rollins and Burrell were there as youngsters but Abreu was in his prime, and his easy-going nature made it seem like he didn’t care and wasn’t a leader of men. I’m sure that sounds familiar to Junior and Dunn. Abreu’s reputation was cemented by the team playing considerably better once Howard and Utley came aboard, and the WS only adds to that. I always liked Abreu’s salsa AB music.
They may have been able to build a playoff team with Abreu and Rolen as their two best players, with Rollins and Burrell emerging and Schilling anchoring the staff. But they traded Schilling and did stupid things like sign David Bell and start Travis Lee and Doug Glanville for too long. Plus, Ed Wade was never able to figure out how to build a good bullpen, which was the biggest difference between him and Pat Gillick.
by ken on Feb 14, 2009 8:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Good recap, Ken; and don't forget the Bowa factor
EVERYONE looks like they don’t care next to Larry Bowa. Larry could give Lou Piniella intensity lessons. Larry all but drove Rolen out of town. Burrell was to So-Cal to respond to his tactics, and a young Jimmy Rollins was totally mental fighting leadoff responsibilities and his natural talents.
Whether you like it or not, history is on our side. We will bury you.
by "Red" Moskau on Feb 16, 2009 8:42 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
bacchanalia
Only a person filled with philly based rage would ever use that word. and yes, you got NAILED!
No bees? Then who will sting me and walk on my sandwiches?
by The Crushinator on Feb 14, 2009 11:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of Philly-based rage
I can’t figure out why the Santa Claus thing lives on. To me, shooting off a flare gun over the stadium during MNF was the ultimate. I think that’s when the stadium based court started.
Whether you like it or not, history is on our side. We will bury you.
by "Red" Moskau on Feb 16, 2009 8:44 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I love how the Vet Stadium judge
is now on the Pa Supreme Court.
by ken on Feb 16, 2009 5:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i agree
and saying Bonds won GG as a positive and Griffey winning them as a negative is one of the stupider things ive said.
My millions are unconventional!
by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 13, 2009 12:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
either way
during the 90’s griffey and bonds were in different leagues so they shouldn’t be compared in this argument
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by chandrathan on Feb 12, 2009 6:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
that's a coincidence and irrelevant!
There are only two seasons - winter and Baseball. - Bill Veeck
by PeteyHendrix on Feb 12, 2009 9:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Two things
1) Douchidiot is a great word
2) Ex post facto laws are prohibited by Article 1, Section 9 of the U.S. Constitution. Of course, this is not applying a law as much as a company rule, but it’s clear the Bud Selig’s secret fantasies are un-American. What a great ambassador for America’s game.
by ctnyc on Feb 12, 2009 5:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ex post facto laws only apply to the government
The Constitution doesn’t protect citizens from nongovernmental entities
by Snake the Jake on Feb 12, 2009 5:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
that’s what I mean by not applying a law as much as a company rule.
And in the larger sense, citizens are protected from nongovernmental entities by the Constitution in that the Constitution is the standard by which all laws are adjudicated.
by ctnyc on Feb 12, 2009 6:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
clarity
Sure Bonds was a HOF’er before he roided, I completely agree with that. I dont have a problem with him in the HOF. I also dont support officially removing his name from the record books.
But in my gut his records are bogus. So are Big Mac’s 70 and Sosa’s 66. Palmeiro loses out as does Clemens. I’m hoping that Randy Johnson is all clean but I’ve always kinda suspected him as a possible roider because he’s sooooooooo fugly he cant possibly care if his nuts shrivel up.
"aw....c'mon. That's suck! I heard Coldplay on WARM98" obc son(after watching the band win Best Rock Grammy)
by obc2 on Feb 12, 2009 4:14 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
i was going to write a lengthy reply here
but cesar sums it up much better than i could.
My millions are unconventional!
by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 12, 2009 5:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
While subtracting Bonds home runs
Please be sure add the home runs that were taken away from him by a pitcher who was on steroids.
It’s just a ridiculous argument. He hit the 73 homers, and at a time when they weren’t testing for the stuff. That’s MLB’s fault.
And Selig today saying that A-Rod “shamed the game” of baseball. Umm…hey Bud….look in the mirror, you fucking criminal. He might be the most shameful commissioner of all.
You went full retard. No one ever comes back from that. - Sgt. Osiris
by cesarhernandez on Feb 12, 2009 5:18 PM EST reply actions 9 recs
rec'd
Soy el niño destructor. I eat kids for breakfast. Roar. - Juan Francisco 'spoken with an Italian accent'
by jacob brumfield on Feb 12, 2009 5:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
rec'd...but...
As shameful as Selig is, you’re gonna have to go a long way to outdo the outright racism of Kennesaw Mountain Landis.
But I am totally down with someone taking a whack at the owners, because they basically encouraged the players to do this to themselves and enriched themselves in the process. That’s screwing the game and showing little regard for human life – a daily double in anyone’s book.
"I'd walk through hell in a gasoline suit to play baseball" - Pete Rose
by Officer Dibble on Feb 12, 2009 10:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking the same thing about Kennesaw Mountain Landis
but i couldn’t recall his name and didn’t feel like looking it up, so i didn’t make a post.
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions!"- Dr. Stephen T. Colbert DFA.
by justin007000 on Feb 12, 2009 11:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
in defense of Landis
his racial transgressions were in part due to the times. doesnt make it right, but Selig’s transgressions are shameful whether it be 1909 or 2009. being a dick is never cool.
My millions are unconventional!
by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 12, 2009 11:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I know that racism was rampent throughout the times
my grandmother (who is a poor family’s Marge Schott) is an example of that, but Landis’s racism seemed to be a bit extreme for the time.
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions!"- Dr. Stephen T. Colbert DFA.
by justin007000 on Feb 12, 2009 11:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I did think about the that era as well
And I feel so strongly about that time that I think Baseball’s modern era should be redefined as 1947 to present. Also, I’ve been to the Negro Leagues Museum in Kansas City, but NOT the Baseball Hall of Fame in Cooperstown.
Many of those men are products of their time. When it generally socially acceptable to be a racist, and you’re taught it from a young age, it’s difficult to break free from that thinking.
You went full retard. No one ever comes back from that. - Sgt. Osiris
by cesarhernandez on Feb 12, 2009 11:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
One could argue 1959-present
Cuz no black players were on the Red Sox until 1959.
Or maybe the modern era is 1959-1987, and everything after that is the steroids era.
There are only two seasons - winter and Baseball. - Bill Veeck
by PeteyHendrix on Feb 13, 2009 1:09 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I often wonder
what kind of products we will be described as when others look back on our time.
I struggle to do it, but I work hard to break away from the linear view of history, that we started as savages and are slowly advancing toward some higher state of organization in society. I think different cultures have all had ebbs and flows, periods where humanity was valued highly and periods where it was not. Unfortunately I think we are within a global period where humanity is often forgotten in our drive for the accumulation of wealth. Overt racism has played a big part in this period and while it has diminished in some parts of the world, covert racism continues to have a big impact on our world today.
I would argue that when it is socially acceptable to think of racism as only pertaining to individual actions and not built into our socio-economic systems, and that when we are taught that from a young age, it is also difficult to break free of that thinking.
Tanzen!
by Verka Serduchka on Feb 13, 2009 11:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
my point was more about Selig
his shames are timeless.
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by Charlie Scrabbles on Feb 12, 2009 11:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That is true
Selig is shameful in any era. First time I looked at the guy, I thought “What a dick.”
You went full retard. No one ever comes back from that. - Sgt. Osiris
by cesarhernandez on Feb 12, 2009 11:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you know he gave himself a "base of fame" in Miller Park, right?
Robin Yount, Paul Molitor, Hank Aaron…and Bud Selig.
That really grossed me out when I saw it.
...because there's already someone posing as Jacob Brumfield
by Cy Schourek on Feb 13, 2009 12:00 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
great story
There are only two seasons - winter and Baseball. - Bill Veeck
by PeteyHendrix on Feb 13, 2009 1:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll see your Kennesaw Mountain Landis
and raise you Bowie Kuhn. Kuhn is without a doubt the worst commissioner ever to hold the title.
by Red Menace on Feb 13, 2009 12:07 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Kuhn, Landis and Selig can all blow me on fountain square
If at first you don't succeed, failure may be your style.
Quentin Crisp
by Madville on Feb 13, 2009 12:33 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That 'll take 2 shovels and at least a 12-pack of The Beast
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by PeteyHendrix on Feb 13, 2009 1:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And it should happen
during a Klan rally surrounded by a Mapplethorpe exhibit and MC’d by Larry Flynt.
"You aint my bitch, n***a. Buy your own damn fries." ---President Obama
by Pops Daniels on Feb 13, 2009 10:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Worse then Happy Chandler?
"I'd walk through hell in a gasoline suit to play baseball" - Pete Rose
by Officer Dibble on Feb 15, 2009 5:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
HEY HEY HEY
Don’t talk bad about Happy Chandler
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by chandrathan on Feb 15, 2009 9:16 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well thats irrelivant now that racism is over.
Even a half white person can say the n word in his book.
No bees? Then who will sting me and walk on my sandwiches?
by The Crushinator on Feb 14, 2009 11:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If only I had time for a snappy additional retort
But Mrs. M. and i are off to see 57 year old Chrissie Hynde and her band play some new stuff with the same oldsound.
If at first you don't succeed, failure may be your style.
Quentin Crisp
by Madville on Feb 13, 2009 7:11 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
OOOO Boy - Had to leave the concert early
Yawn and well Yawn
Chrissie can sing but she is a typical Midwestern Akron girl with a bigass chip on her shoulder and pretentious attitude as well. Wish I hadn’t gone. Liked to remembered her as a barrier breaker and not as a whiny bitch.
If at first you don't succeed, failure may be your style.
Quentin Crisp
by Madville on Feb 13, 2009 11:58 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
And if she ever comes back to that church to sing again
we’ll burn that bitch to the ground.
There are only two seasons - winter and Baseball. - Bill Veeck
by PeteyHendrix on Feb 14, 2009 3:16 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Does it strike anyone else as stupid...
That Selig threatens to punish A-Roid… No one else is going to come out and admit to roiding now… way to go Selig.
People Don't Kill People. Burning Couches Kill People.
by crolfer on Feb 14, 2009 4:30 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
exactly
And when will he suspend the first involved or knowledgeable executive, agent, manager, coach, trainer, clubhouse personnel…or commissioner? What a myopic, self-absorbed, arrogant Massengill product.
Thanks for the ‘94-’95 strike!
There are only two seasons - winter and Baseball. - Bill Veeck
by PeteyHendrix on Feb 14, 2009 5:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It strikes me as stupid
Because when he tested positive, it was on a test to determine whether or not steroid testing was needed in baseball, and no punitive measures were supposed to come from it. I’m pretty pissed off that anyone’s name got leaked, and the fact that only one did makes it seem like an attack on that one individual. The situation has been bungled badly, and it doesn’t need Selig throwing around punishments after the fact. The whole thing about giving the home run record back to Aaron is ludicrous too.
by Brendanukkah on Feb 14, 2009 5:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Everyone's complicit
But the union is probably most at fault for A-Rod’s current troubles.
The records were supposed to be destroyed, and if they were, the names on the list would have remained secret, as they were supposed to. It was the union that kept them, hoping they could be used to discredit the testing. Then the feds got involved, subpoenaed the samples, and secret testing went out the window.
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by BubbaFan on Feb 14, 2009 6:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I secretly hope all of the names get released...
I know that it’s pretty terrible, but my curiosity gets the best of me…
People Don't Kill People. Burning Couches Kill People.
by crolfer on Feb 14, 2009 9:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it would be fair
Say what you will about A-Rod, but it’s bullshit that his name was the only one let out.
"I like to think more in terms of him his in-scoring position percentage." - Dusty Baker (2009) regarding Corey Patterson's relationship with his daughter
by BK on Feb 14, 2009 9:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd heard talk about the whole list being released... any news on that?
People Don't Kill People. Burning Couches Kill People.
by crolfer on Feb 14, 2009 9:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
There's a court case
that will probably determine it. It’s currently being decided by the Ninth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals. The most liberal court in the land, IIRC. My guess is they will side with the players, and the list will not be officially released.
It will probably be leaked eventually, though.
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by BubbaFan on Feb 14, 2009 9:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i completely understand why his name was the only one released
no matter who else was on there, right now ARod is the biggest name
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by chandrathan on Feb 14, 2009 9:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, and that's fine
but just because A-Rod was the big name on the list means we can just forget about the other 103 names?
"I like to think more in terms of him his in-scoring position percentage." - Dusty Baker (2009) regarding Corey Patterson's relationship with his daughter
by BK on Feb 14, 2009 10:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
no but some of the names will be of people we already know
some will be people we don’t care about
and some will be positive tests that weren’t for steroids or even items that are illegal
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by chandrathan on Feb 14, 2009 10:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
that should still leave people we care about, don't know about and tested positive for steroids and/or other illegal items
People Don't Kill People. Burning Couches Kill People.
by crolfer on Feb 15, 2009 9:56 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and the 1200 guys who tested negative
deserve to be out from under suspicion.
There are only two seasons - winter and Baseball. - Bill Veeck
by PeteyHendrix on Feb 15, 2009 10:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, this is why i dont really think the tests prove anything
it just means the other guys didnt happen to test positive on that particular day. maybe other guys were tipped off or were cycling off at that time or were just taking a break from juicing. Maybe other guys quit juicing in 2002. maybe other guys didnt start until 2004. and there’s still no test for hgh, so none of the guys on growth alone would have tested positive.
im interested to see the other 103 names out of curiosity, but i dont by any means think it vindicates the other 1200 guys.
What do you mean, "blank slate"?
by boobs on Feb 15, 2009 2:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Kind of like 'No Player Left Behind'
I may be insensitive and crude, but a racist NEVER.
Mads
by Madville on Feb 16, 2009 6:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We can't afford to fund that.
There are only two seasons - winter and Baseball. - Bill Veeck
by PeteyHendrix on Feb 16, 2009 9:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Call the Yankees
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by crolfer on Feb 16, 2009 9:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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