Trade Target: Maicer Izturis
by Slyde on Dec 9, 2009 9:19 AM EST
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Ed Price at MLB Fanhouse is reporting this morning that the Angels could move infielder Maicer Izturis in a deal this off-season. The 29-year old Izturis is a switch-hitter who has played a mix of 2B, SS, and 3B in his big league career and he's played all 3 fairly well defensively. Offensively, he's a career .278/.343/.393 hitter, though his power has been slightly more developed over the last couple of seasons (he slugged .434 in 2009). He shows decent, though not great patience (8.7% career walk rate), but he's only struck out in 11% of his plate appearances. Since we know that he would bat 2nd for the Reds, it's nice to know that he gets on base at a good rate and that he handles the bat pretty well to be able to do the things that Dusty would ask him to do while batting 2nd.
His hitting projections for 2010 look solidly average (only have these two systems for Izturis so far):
| Projection | AVG | OBP | SLG | wOBA |
| Bill James | .283 | .348 | .392 | .329 |
| CHONE | .279 | .346 | .394 | .331 |
Compare that to Paul Janish:
| Projection | AVG | OBP | SLG | wOBA |
| Bill James | .223 | .301 | .319 | .276 |
| CHONE | .237 | .311 | .350 | .298 |
| ZiPS | .239 | .310 | .340 |
Janish's best projection still puts him about 15 runs offensively behind Izturis over 600 PA. CHONE rates them both as +5 defensively, so an acquisition of Izturis would likely bring the Reds about a win and a half in 2010.
I think Izturis is definitely somebody the Reds should pursue. One-and-a-half WAR is not a huge amount, but Izturis will likely not make more than $2.5-3 million next season, so it would definitely be a cost-effective upgrade. The question is what will the Reds have to give up. Price says in his article that the Angels are looking for a corner outfielder and bullpen help. I'm not sure if they'd have any interest in Jonny Gomes, and he's probably the most viable candidate as an outfield centerpiece to a deal.
That means the Reds probably need to go the relief route. Arthur Rhodes could be a potential candidate for dealing, and the money/contract situation would be similar (both players are free agents after 2010). Given Rhodes' age, I think the Reds should be willing to give him up in a deal since he's a definite risk to have a big dropoff any day now. I'd also consider Daniel Ray Herrera or Jared Burton available as part of a package. And of course, if the Angels wanted to take Francisco Cordero's contract, I'm sure the Reds would even be willing to chip in a couple million to make it worth the effort.
What do you think? Should the Reds pursue Izturis? Do they have a package of players to get it done?
(h/t nycredsfan)
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ive always liked him.
he was guy I was thinking we should have gone after last season along with nelson Cruz, but nobody listens to me.
I would trade Arthur for him, not gomes though. it just creates another hole
"strikeouts are a lot sexier than groundouts"
Or opens an opportunity for one of the kids?
Personally, I’d rather trade a youngster, but the Angels would probably want grown up. They aren’t exactly rebuilding.
true but i dont really have alot of faith in our young players
at least the left field ones. Juan cant take a pitch, fraziers bat plays better in the infield, heiseys bat looks much better in center. so idk
"strikeouts are a lot sexier than groundouts"
me either, but I'm really tired of getting thumped for it
hey, everybody, beat up on this guy instead of me
yea
why dont you punch me in the face? pour some honey on me, let me see you get real mad…
"strikeouts are a lot sexier than groundouts"
Don't misunderstand Smitty3
I’m glad to see you hanging around, but, if NYCredsfan or Slyde walks in, then I’m gonna have to act like I don’t you!
not sure why you think that
I agree with, and have said the exact same things he’s said before. I don’t believe Heisey’s bat plays well for a corner OF spot, though if his power continues to develop, it might. Same with Frazier. And we all know the problem with E.N.D.
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See andro below, Slyde
It’s just a joke. I thought I should have used Charlie instead, but I’d already hit the button. I just a name which would remind me of high school when I was in band and science club and the Treasurer of the chess club.
There were plenty of times people watched the door when they were talking to me!
heavens no!
i dont believe that for a second!
/sarcasm’d
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by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 9, 2009 10:02 AM EST up reply actions
I seriously think being called a nerd by a guy who is a baseball fan and loves advanced mathematical
metrics is really the low point of my social standing!
Of course, the low could have been when I called out by Charlie in that poll!
DAMN YOU CHAARRRRLLLLIIIIIEEEEEE
I love how you....
…. purposefully misspelled “you’re” to make it look like you’re not a nerd too.
Wait a second…… crap.
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im tree nuts and carmine dye!
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by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 9, 2009 11:06 AM EST up reply actions
i love beatles
and im not really allergic to anything. i just wanted to fit in…
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by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 9, 2009 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
strange isnt it?
somebody had the bright idea of making food coloring out of bugs. and we eat it.
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by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 9, 2009 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
I still haven't learned how to pronounce htat word
Coke-in-ale? Coach-en-eeyal?
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Oh, I'm ok with dairy
I think I’m allergic to gym shorts though.
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im llergic to lettuce
shits nasty
"strikeouts are a lot sexier than groundouts"
by smitty3 on Dec 9, 2009 11:11 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Big Nerd Award
I had a friend in college who made up little slips of paper that said “Big Nerd Award.” After finals were over and theses turned in, anyone caught talking about school stuff got slammed with a BNA, which you had to keep in your pocket until you could give it to someone else.
Good times.
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Talk about Nerdy...
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Smitty, you should totally dump him.
If he’s so ashamed of you, he clearly doesn’t know what he’s got.
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Stay away from him, andro
He’s mine
Unless NYC is interested in rekindling the magic we shared that night over jello shots and CHONE projections for the 2009 season!
Get a room for Christssake - geez-us
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that's a rec.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Dec 9, 2009 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
No, no, my role here is annoying, but good-hearted best friend who is suitably less attractive.
You’re confusing me with handsome childhood companion with ulterior motives, but in the end just wants what’s best for you.
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Natasha Lyonne, not Katie Holmes
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Your role here is as the brilliant young scientist who decides to blow her game show winnings on the pursuit of a law degree while at the same time ghost writing a famous baseball novel...and always looking good while doing it all.
Meanwhile the nerd patrol looks on longingly….
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"blow winnings on the pursuit of a law degree"
If you change winnings to future, then I resemble that remark!
If you change future to children’s future, then I am that remark
I did not know that you are a woman!!!
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I am all these things
The sad thing is that that is a highly romanticised version of my life story.
And it’s still pretty damn boring.
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Seemed complimentary, though
And, since I don’t know, which “game show”?
Jeopardy! (College Tournament)
You can relive the thrill in this excellent game (show) thread) on a popular Cincinnati Reds fanblog.
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2 millionth visitor! My high school geocities website never got that many hits.
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by andromache on Dec 9, 2009 5:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Bah...popularity is so overrated.
The only thing I remember about the actual Jeopardy Tourney was that andromache had the wrong sweatshirt on…
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did you hear geocities is no more?
i cant believe the internet is old enough to have ghost towns.
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It was good
for finding abandoned sites while searching. When Kendall was signed, I came across an old fan site that must have had every picture ever published electronically at the time. That’s where I learned he had his own cereal, Kendall Krunch – or maybe it was Crunch.
Your high school never had my witticisms and madville's picture talent
We’re major draws here
Thank you for wasting like an hour of my day
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by BK on Dec 9, 2009 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
What about Francisco?
i.e., the Angels are pretty right-handed, except for Abreu and Francisco may be more to their liking than Gomes (as part of a package). Personally, for 2010, I’d rather have Gomes anyway and the Reds are looking at several 3B/LF prospects.
Which is not to say I wouldn’t mind keeping Juan and letting Johnny go. Either way would work for me.
Isn't being a Reds fan fun
We get to discuss scrub middle infielders, while my friend the Yankee fan, get to welcome Curtis Granderson.
More reasons to trade for Izturis: (some of which already stated in my original post on this)
1-He could also spell BP at 2B occasionally. I believe if Dusty had a good second option he’d give BP more days off, and that would probably help him.
2-He’s only under team control for one more year, meaning he wouldn’t be blocking Cozart if he was ready for 2011. On the other hand, if Cozart stalls in AAA, Izturis is young enough that he’d be worth bringing back for a few years once the payroll is freed a bit in 2011 and beyond.
3-The Angels have glut of 2B/3B/SS type guys (Brandon Wood, Erik Aybar, Howie Kendrick) so they probably won’t try to gouge a team for Izturis. If JJ Hardy only required Carlos Gomez, somebody like Heisey or Gomes + a reliever should do it.
I really, really want this to happen, which of course means it won’t
If I hear the word 'perky' again, I'll puke
the Hardy deal is a nice benchmark
Hardy > Izturis, so it shouldnt take as much to get Izturis. i like Gomes + Rhodes.
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by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 9, 2009 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
i think your still overvalueing him. he has zero power
"strikeouts are a lot sexier than groundouts"
I agree
I think it will take either Gomes or Rhodes, but definitely not both. If there is another player added, it will be a minor leaguer.
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or I could see Gomes + Herrera
or Rhodes + Balentien or something like that.
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HELLS YES
That trade would restore all of my faith in the entire front office.
If I hear the word 'perky' again, I'll puke
by nycredsfan on Dec 9, 2009 10:40 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That sounds pretty good
Although I suspect Dickerson would be offered first. One of Heisey, Balentien or Dickerson has to be dealt soon, especially if Gomes is still around.
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Dec 9, 2009 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
i love me some c-dick
that doesnt sound wrong does it?
"strikeouts are a lot sexier than groundouts"
talk to madville about it
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by justin007000 on Dec 9, 2009 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
The reason I said Balentien instead of Dickerson
is because Balentien profiles more as a corner OF. I’m not sure that he profiles good enough though to make the Angels happy.
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I'm wondering if this might be a good time to sell high on Heisey
I love the guy, but he’s still a big question mark and the Reds do have plenty of other options. He’s cheap, young, and almost MLB ready.
On the other hand, the Angels probably want someone more established and proven, and money isn’t as much of a concern. I’d do Gomes + any of Herrera, Fisher, or Burton.
If I hear the word 'perky' again, I'll puke
I'm taking this as a rekindlement of our romance
In the end, like I said before, the Angels don’t want prospects. They’ve been waiting for young hitters to mature and turn out to be studs for 2-3 years now, while Vlad and a good pitching staff age. I think they’d be more interested in Gomes, if they had any interest in the Reds at all, because he might be able to help them now.
plus, Vlad is a free agent
which is why they are looking for corner OF help.
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i'd rather have the younger arms than Rhodes
Rhodes is going to be 40 and more expensive. if we are selling high on anyone, it should be Rhodes.
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by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 9, 2009 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I kinda assumed they wouldn't want Gomes + Rhodes
because of the extra money, although maybe that’s exactly what they’d want, in which case I’d do that in a second too.
If I hear the word 'perky' again, I'll puke
I'm a litte skeptical that this is the best we're going to see from Heisey
I’m probably a bit higher on him than most, but it’s the classic dilemma where you have a prospect at his highest value so far, but you have to decide if that’s his peak or if he has more progression in him. I tend to think the Reds are pretty high on him as well, if they’re already penciling him in for the LF job.
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by BK on Dec 9, 2009 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
I agree that it would be a huge risk (also, he might be worth more than an Izturis...who knows?)
He may or may not keep developing his power. He may or may not be able to cut down the Ks and boost the walks a bit from what he did in AAA this year. If he does those things he’s an elite prospect. If not, he’s a 4th OF along the lines of Dickerson.
Either way, I agree with you that the Reds see him as too valuable and he won’t get traded (which I’m fine with)
If I hear the word 'perky' again, I'll puke
I think he's overvaluing Hardy
Hardy’s value at the time of that trade was really low due to his demotion and the known fact that the Brewers preferred Escobar for SS.
On the other hand, Hardy has two years of team control left, so that makes a difference. I think I agree with Slyde, Gomes + a young, less proven reliever would probably do it.
If I hear the word 'perky' again, I'll puke
dont you hate that?
i think the reds read these blogs and read what people want and don’t do it because of that
"strikeouts are a lot sexier than groundouts"
They're doing things just to be contrary?!
timb116 HATES that!
by Brendanukkah on Dec 9, 2009 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
Walt and Dusty says that the team is ready to go as is.
Unfortunately, I am beginning to believe them.
There is an overriding misconception that Clutch is an overriding misconception.
BTW, I sent Fay an email asking him to ask Walt about this.
Anyone ever done anything like that before? Does Fay actually check those messages?
If I hear the word 'perky' again, I'll puke
I have a question
Isn’t it kind of tough to trade Gomes since he’s, you know, not technically on the team?
"You never know how you look through other people's eyes"
he is technically on the team
the Reds control his rights. He just does not have a contract for 2010. But then, neither does Bruce or Votto.
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Bruce and Votto for Macier?!?
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He's under team control
If he was traded this week, before the deadline to offer arb, the receiving team could simply offer him arb. I would assume the Angels would do that since a couple million isn’t a big deal for them. Alternatively, the Reds could offer him arb, then trade him afterwards before the hearing.
If I hear the word 'perky' again, I'll puke
FWIW
The “Shortstops: The Final World” (STFW) rankings have been adjusted accordingly.
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Dec 9, 2009 10:44 AM EST reply actions
So much for the final world, eh?
That things been edited more than the Healthcare reform bill.
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rec'd
Especially since both likely mean nothing, i.e., the Reds aren’t cool enough to make a trade and the Senate is too stupid to actually reform healthcare
There's definitely a parallel there
I’m going to make a bold prediction and say that not only will the Senate pass a bill, but the Reds will trade for either a SS or starting pitcher this offseason.
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Dec 9, 2009 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
Oh, the Senate will pass a bill
and it will stink and the Reds will sign Jamey Carroll to a 2 year 8 million dollar contract and he will room with Taveras.
/cynicism’d
At least my fanshot offers low cost alternatives to the status quo
And it also addresses the problem of adverse selection in insurance pools!
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Dec 9, 2009 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
I just realized that only did I spell my fanshot wrong here
I also set myself up by editing something called “The Final Word,” so.. it was ironic
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Dec 9, 2009 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
And you called it a FanShot when it's really a FanPost, causing me to waste 45 seconds looking through the FanShots for nothing
jerk!
If I hear the word 'perky' again, I'll puke
this personal attack should really be a FanShot
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by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 9, 2009 11:43 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
So, tomorrow is not only my birthday, it's also the day I'm allowed to change my avatar.
Just wanted you to know, so when you see KC still rockin’ it next week you’ll feel humiliated and ashamed.
Also, @Cincinnati Reds: All I want for my birthday is Maicer Izturis!!!
If I hear the word 'perky' again, I'll puke
you bitch
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by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 9, 2009 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
you are getting up there
won’t be long until you break a leg and are put down.
"There is no harder thing than to have Glenn Beck outlive your child."-The Onion
it appears that Janish would be the better SS in the field (not by much)
but Izturis would definitely be the better bat (.320 BABIP last year with a 10.6 K% compared to Janish’s .247 / 15.6%). considering Izturis’s larger sample size it would be a no-brainer to consider Izzy an upgrade over PJ in the 2-spot.
Rhodes straight up. or Coco? that would be tits.
not gonna happen
Fay "responding" to my email
So maybe he’s not available after all, although I don’t necessarily believe an Angels beat writer either.
If I hear the word 'perky' again, I'll puke
Yeah, really by "responding" I meant
posting something on his blog about it and pretending like he thought of it himself. I kinda wonder if he saw my email, went and looked up Izturis on mlb.com or something, then went and asked an Angels writer about him.
Regardless, if it means he asks Walt about him this afternoon, it’s all good.
If I hear the word 'perky' again, I'll puke
The Brewers have agreed to a 3-year deal with Randy Wolf
just under $30 million is the rumored amount.
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sems a tad high
he’s coming off of a great season, so that helps him, but this past season was the only one to date where he’s been worth $10 million or more.
At age 33, he seems unlikely to be worth it over the duration. Having said that, I’d take him on my team.
If I hear the word 'perky' again, I'll puke
I had no clue the Wolf was only 33
but man, two arm surgeries scare me. Then again, so does Suppan and Looper and 8 starts from Mike Burns
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Loop had the good luck charm last year
He was the guy the team put up the big run totals. Burns looked good in a couple starts. I was hoping he’d be sort of like the prototypical Twins pitcher or the guy the Cubs used – throws a bunch of pitches and controls them all. But then… ohhhhh…
Most surprising thing I heard – the team says Soup’s spot in the rotation, as well as cult fav Bush’s, aren’t guaranteed. Regardless, last year of Soupcan!
"a tad high" in FA is usually a good deal
Now they have two starters and a half dozen or so maybes. If they don’t buy Wolf, things just get stickier. Lackey won’t be cheap. After that its a mess.
I don’t know if they’re sane, but Braves fans think that Lowe can be moved (at 15/yr) and they can also get back a nice trade piece.
seems to be more than a tad high
that is a lot of money to invest in a pitcher who’s arm may blow up at any moment.
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Sheldon reporting that the Reds are interested in Craig Counsell
Counsell’s projections:
James .246/.337/.327
CHONE .232/.316/.327
CHONE has him at +7 defensively, but listed at 2B, so dock that projection some at SS. Not really an upgrade over Janish, if you ask me.
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Yeah, he's only ranked 5th on that really useful ranking
of shortstops I saw on this site.
He’s due for a major correction, but I would give him one year at $2MM to hit righties. But, like I heard Thundering Turtle or someone say, I’d just as soon put that money toward the draft. I think the Reds at least have the wherewithal to acquire someone who could be a contributor in 2010. Izturis, Fontenot, Frandsen or Peralta fit that bill.
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Dec 9, 2009 3:00 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think he's due a correction
He bats with a radically different stance. He can play plus defense at 3rd, 2nd and SS, but he’s not an everyday player.
I'd be more sanguine on him than the projections
but last year definitely looks like an anomaly based on age and prior performance. If the market is low on him, he could be useful to the Reds next year, especially to the extent that he improves SS offense.
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Dec 9, 2009 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
He reworked his whole stance
He’s only hit one year with that stance.
If anything, his stock is up. He played last year for 1yr/1mil. Now he’s looking multi-year deal, probably his last.
But still,
he’ll be 40 next year, and he hasn’t logged significant time at SS since 2006.
That SCREAMS for a regression, new stance or no.
If I hear the word 'perky' again, I'll puke
Which screams outlier.
Remember when Junior had a great year in 2005 at the age of 36?
If I hear the word 'perky' again, I'll puke
by nycredsfan on Dec 9, 2009 4:05 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, they want Counsell, but they haven't talked to the Angels about Izturis
Yet, Jocketty says
"There really isn’t a lot going on with the old Redlegs," he said. "It’s pretty much the same. We’ve talked to more agents than clubs. We’re still in the same mode: We’re looking for a hitter and an infielder, preferably a left-handed hitter who can play short."
Umm, Walt? That all applies to Izturis.
If I hear the word 'perky' again, I'll puke
Maybe there's more to it with Izturis
Like he isn’t actually on the table or they’re asking for Todd Frazier or something. But there’s no reason Walt shouldn’t be inquiring and making this a priority over trying to find (probably too much) money to pay Counsell.
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Dec 9, 2009 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
or maybe they've talked but agreed to be tight-lipped about it?
If they know a deal isn’t going to be reached during the meetings, there’s no reason to be open about the negotiations.
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Both good points, I'm just letting my cynicism about the FO creep into things
But the fact that they admit they’re interested in Counsell makes me nervous. At age 39/40 next year I can’t see him being a defensive or significant offensive upgrade over Janish.
I hope you’re right, though. To be fair, both the Reds and Angels are pretty good about keeping stuff quiet.
If I hear the word 'perky' again, I'll puke
if Walt does this he needs to be put in a home
like why would Bob allow that, signing Counsell is like rearranging the deck chairs.
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Can anyone else already hear Welch and tHom going on and on about how "wonderful this young man is"
I’m all for winning (it’s what sets me apart fromt he Reds Front Office), but not at the price of tHom treating Counsell like he treats Tim Tebow
Brewers have signed LaTroy Hawkins to a 2-year deal
Don’t know the dollar amount yet.
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the dollar amount is $7.5 M for the 2 years
I think that’s too much, but what do I know.
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the Brewers are like a poor mans Cubs.
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Macier is a good ball player...
I guess I wouldn’t mind a deal…just not sure he really is that much of an upgrade, so it would depend on what the Angels want in return. Personally I’d like to see the Reds look at Orlando Hudson as a possible SS. Also, I wish they’d give Bobby Crosby from Oakland a look. He’s always been a great defender when healthy, and he used to have a little pop, something that would be nice from the right side of the plate.
Crosby signed with the Pirates yesterday
and Hudson hasn’t played SS as a pro. If they signed Hudson, they’d probably move BP to SS.
I doubt they have the budget to afford Hudson though.
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This isn't a very well thoguht out comment
but it sounds good to me. .278 couldn’t hurt this offense any
Yes Yes Yes
But can he bunt…move the runner over, how is he at SAC flies and is he clutch.
You really do need to put a little statistical thought into your replies!!!
There is an overriding misconception that Clutch is an overriding misconception.
is a Hardwork Eddie or Good Time Charlie?
these are questions I should have considered before posting ;)
I want Maicer
I love switch hitters.
by Dave from Louisville on Dec 9, 2009 3:21 PM EST reply actions
Well, I know we'd all rather re-sign Gary Majewski,
but it ain’t happening. The Astros signed him today. Carry on.
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by Thundering Turtle on Dec 9, 2009 3:26 PM EST reply actions
Seriously
I’m beginning to think the curse of the Bambino came over with Bronson in the Willy Mo trade. We jipped the Sox the year they “broke” the curse. I think they must’ve just packaged that in as the CTBNL.
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 9, 2009 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
You might be on to something, especially since
today the Red Sox claimed former Reds’ farmhand Ramon Ramirez off waivers from the Rays. This allows Boston to corner the market on guys named Ramon Ramirez.
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by Thundering Turtle on Dec 9, 2009 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
interesting
They must think that 4 Ramons will compensate for one lost Hanley. That’s some Reds front office math right there.
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 9, 2009 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
They need to call the D-Backs
They have a Ram-Ram in A-ball that the Red Sox don’t own yet.
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by BK on Dec 9, 2009 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
ah the Sox won the World Series two years prior to that trade
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details, details
Never let the facts get in the way of a good story, right?
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 9, 2009 5:08 PM EST up reply actions
Congrats to Jonny Gomes on a new baby
and being awesome!
All is very quiet regarding Jonny Gomes contract talks and the sides appear no closer to a deal. The deadline to tender an offer to the arbitration eligible outfielder remains on Saturday. I called Gomes to see what he knew and he said he’s staying out of it. He has more enjoyable things to do like spend time with his four-week old daughter, Zoe.
“The agents are lawyers and negotiators. I’m just a baseball player,” Gomes said. “They are 100 percent trusted on that side. It’s up to them and I let them do it. My friends and family are three times more stressed about it than I am and they’re wondering why I’m not stressed.”
Gomes very much would like to return to the Reds.
“My thoughts on returning are still awesome,” Gomes said. “I had a great time in Cincinnati and appreciated being taken in with open arms. The fans, the ballpark and the city are second to none.”
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That's really great news
I hope Gomes will be back next year. It was a lot of fun to root for him and he out up some pretty good numbers.
Likewise
Even Ochocinco wears a sombrero these days.
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Dec 9, 2009 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
Cincinnati
Second to none and yet 4th in the Central
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by Cy Schourek on Dec 9, 2009 4:07 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Rangers have traded Kevin Millwood to the Orioles for Chris Ray (I believe)
and then turned around and signed Rich Harden for 1yr/$7.5M with an $11.5 option year. Not a bad move at all.
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Trade Kevin Millwood for Rich Harden and a few million?
Yes please
If I hear the word 'perky' again, I'll puke
The Rangers are looking pretty damn good right now
unlike my Reds who enjoy being uninteresting.
by Dave from Louisville on Dec 9, 2009 7:22 PM EST reply actions
come on
Craig Counsell is all kinds of interesting.
"There is no harder thing than to have Glenn Beck outlive your child."-The Onion
Well, it could be worse.
Seattle signed Corey Patterson today.
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by Thundering Turtle on Dec 9, 2009 10:04 PM EST via mobile reply actions
just a minor league deal with a ST invite
no way he ever leads off for them, right?
/gunshot
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by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 9, 2009 11:06 PM EST up reply actions
reply fail?
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by justin007000 on Dec 10, 2009 11:49 PM EST up reply actions
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