Red Reposter - Brandon Phillips Crashes Reds MVP Party, Joey Votto Mistaken for Gay Cowboy
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 7, 2009 7:00 AM EST
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The Cincinnati chapter of the BBWAA handed out their Reds awards on Friday
Brandon Phillips was named team MVP with Bronson Arroyo being named Most Outstanding Pitcher. Chris Heisey won the Minor League Player of the Year with Juan Francisco and Travis Wood winning awards for best hitter and pitcher, respectively. Now unlike Slyde, I love Brandon Phillips. Few players in baseball have the kind of talent he does, with a unique blend of power, speed, and defensive ability. So what if he can't get on base? He does everything else so well! All that said, Joey Votto got jobbed. Hard. The Fay has some 'splainin to do. -
At Redsfest, Jocketty was asked to explain his rationale for the Scott Rolen trade
""Why did you trade two young pitchers for Scott Rolen?" (a) young fan asked Jocketty. "Well, did you see what Scott Rolen did for us last season?" Jocketty responded, knowing the Reds went 27-13 when Rolen was in the lineup after the July 31 trade with the Blue Jays. "I know he got hurt," the child replied. Tough crowd. Keep in mind that Rolen was beaned in the head, suffered a concussion and had to spend time on the disabled list. "Scott Rolen will play a big part defensively, [as will] his leadership on the field and in the clubhouse," Jocketty said. "I've traded a lot of promising pitchers that didn't turn out to promising pitchers when they got to the big leagues. We don't know, but we felt it was more important to have leadership. When you have a young team like we have, you need veteran leaders. It's all part of the big picture."
Leadership. The Reds are certainly going to be needing that Leadership when they are drowning at the bottom of the division next July. -
Sheldon says the Reds are looking at free agent Jamey Carroll
"We haven't discussed him at length," Jocketty said of Carroll. "He's gutty and a tough player, a gamer-type of guy that's hard-nosed."
He's also a soon-to-be-36-year-old utility infielder who OPS'd under .700 last season and does absolutely nothing that Adam Rosales and Drew Sutton cannot do. The Reds have not signed him yet, and Jocketty says they haven't even "discussed him at length", but the fact that his name is even being brought up has me furious. Seriously, FTH?!? He said he thinks Carroll could play shortstop, a position he has not played at all in the past two seasons. Can someone explain to me how this guy is anything Sutton or Rosales isn't? The good news is they are looking at Noah Lowry. So there's that. -
The Reds have asked the Rangers about OF Nelson Cruz
This seems odd, as Cruz doesn't seem all that different than Jonny Gomes. And if we're looking for an extra OF, Jeff Fiorentino could be had for nothing. I'm sure we'll hear plenty of head-scratchers like this this week at the Winter Meetings, which commence today in Indianapolis. Though the Reds do not look to make much noise, you can be sure that we here at Red Reporter will hear every peep. News breaks pretty fast around the internets, so if you see that the Reds have finally sealed that deal for Hanley Ramirez and we haven't heard it yet, go ahead and put it in a FanShot. We'll make sure it finds it's way to the front page.
Todd Frazier isn't worried about not having a position
He knows if he hits, he'll have a job. He embraces his Jack-of-All-Trades game: "That’s always been big part of it for me, knowing I can play those positions, knowing if something happens, I can play there and get to the big leagues," he said. Frazier was shortstop from Little League (he led Toms River, N.J., to a Little League World Series title in fact) until his first two years in the minors. He hasn’t played there since 2008. "I missed it," he said. "But what are you going to do?"
Also in this article, Enerio Del Rosario has been working with Mario Soto lately. I approve of this.
Cliff Eastham at the Bleacher Reports continues his grade cards for the Reds
He gives Jay Bruce a C-, which convinces me that his grade scale and/or rubric are/is completely arbitrary. Remember last week he gave Willy Taveras a D. Here's a bit of what he says about Bruce:
"After settling down, he showed no further signs of greatness last season. In 2009 his power revealed itself on the major league level. He had 15 home runs before Memorial Day and looked like he was set for a 40/HR year. His average bottomed and we see now a true .240 hitter with excellent power."
BuccoFans.com is running down options for the Pirates in the upcoming Rule 5 draft
They take a look at corner outfielders and mention Danny Dorn. Here's what they have to say about him:
"He has great power, with a homer every 21 at-bats. He would be an interesting platoon option with a player who excels against left handers, or a strong bat off the bench. He kind of reminds me of the left handed version of Steve Pearce. A Pearce/Dorn platoon could work out at first base or right field if the Pirates don't sign a free agent, and don't give the first base job to Jeff Clement."
BuccoFans.com is running down options for the Pirates in the upcoming Rule 5 draft
They take a look at corner outfielders and mention Danny Dorn. Here's what they have to say about him:
"He has great power, with a homer every 21 at-bats. He would be an interesting platoon option with a player who excels against left handers, or a strong bat off the bench. He kind of reminds me of the left handed version of Steve Pearce. A Pearce/Dorn platoon could work out at first base or right field if the Pirates don't sign a free agent, and don't give the first base job to Jeff Clement."
The Hall of Very Good: Jon Adkins signs Minor League deal with Reds
Welcome back Jon. It's good to see good people getting good shots with a...baseball team.
A big "Hi, Hello, and Welcome" to new head trainer Paul Lessard
He replaces Mark Mann who decided to quit to write a book or something.
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Re: Phillips over Votto
Will Carroll told me that “they” (the Reds?) didn’t want the MVP to be Votto because he missed time. If it wasn’t Votto, there wasn’t really anyone else besides Phillips.
“I’ve traded a lot of promising pitchers that didn’t turn out to promising pitchers when they got to the big leagues.”
I remember this one trade….Dan Haren for Mark Mulder in Dec 2004? Haren’s pitched 200+ innings every year since. Mulder’s pitched just over 300, total. Oops.
“He’s also a soon-to-be-36-year-old utility infielder who OPS’d under .700 last season and does absolutely nothing that Adam Rosales and Drew Sutton cannot do.”
Carroll is a very good fielder. Maybe they’re thinking about him for SS? … But even then, I don’t think he’d be an upgrade over Janish.
-j
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didnt they vote Jose Guillen as the team MVP in '03?
i cant find confirmation anywhere, but that’s how i remember it. if so, that “playing time” argument isnt holding water.
"Everything you are doing is bad. I want you to know this."
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 7, 2009 8:17 AM EST up reply actions
yep
Here’s the list since 2001
2001 – Dmitri Young
2002 – Aaron Boone
2003 – Jose Guillen
2004 – Sean Casey
2005 – Ken Griffey Jr.
2006 – Rich Aurilia
2007 – Brandon Phillips
2008 – Joey Votto
Erardi told me that he didn’t even think twice about voting for Votto because it was so obvious that he was the MVP. I kinda get the impression though that he doesn’t spend a lot of time with the other BBWA guys anymore.
Definitely a good argument.
that Aaron boone year is sketch
he actually had a lower BA than Dunn that year, as well as lower every-other-stat as well. That was also Dunn’s worst year power-wise, though.~100 games of Kearns probably deserved it the most, or maybe Todd Walker (?!) If pitchers were allowed to win it, that was Elmer Dessens’ year to shine
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
Boone vs Walker
I had an argument with Hal McCoy that year when Boone won. I said it should have gone to Walker, and Hal just laughed.
by Brian B on Dec 7, 2009 3:08 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Completely agree
After all, that’s what WAR tells you. If you replace Votto with a replacement player (e.g. Ramon Hernandez) during the time he missed, he STILL was a win better than Phillips. And Phillips had a very nice season, close to 4 wins!
-j
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It's because they're going to trade Votto
and they don’t want to explain the fact that they just traded the team MVP. #twitterrumor
Definitely a good argument.
I thought they were going to trade Phillips!
#moretraderumors
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Will Carroll
Isn’t he a member of the Cincinnati BBWAA chapter now? I think the “they” means the chapter, not the team.
Even I have to admit that Votto got jobbed, even after accounting for the playing time and positional adjustment.
by ken on Dec 7, 2009 9:07 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I think he writes out of Indy
Whoever they is, they gots it wrong.
-j
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why do the Reds get a say?
Did they actually call up the writers and tell them who to vote for?
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
the Reds dont get a say
it’s all voted on by the writers.
"Everything you are doing is bad. I want you to know this."
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 7, 2009 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
then what does this mean?
Will Carroll told me that "they" (the Reds?) didn’t want the MVP to be Votto because he missed time. If it wasn’t Votto, there wasn’t really anyone else besides Phillips.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
i cant speak for JinAZ
but i think what he’s saying is Carroll told him “they” and J assumed he meant the Reds. but the writers vote for the award, so i think Carroll meant the writers.
"Everything you are doing is bad. I want you to know this."
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 7, 2009 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
I'm sure Charlie (and ken, above) has it right
I just misunderstood.
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I hate Jocketty
That is all.
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JinAz
Whatever
I’ve traded a lot of promising pitchers that didn’t turn out to promising pitchers when they got to the big leagues.
rich delucia and Doug Creek got him a young Royce Clayton
Carl Dale, Bret Wagner and Jay Witasick got Todd Stottlemyre (who was quite good for a number of years for the Cards)
Steve Montgomery netted Dennis Eckersley
The great TJ Matthews and Blake Stein got Mark McGwire, which enabled him to Dmitri for Jeff Bratnley
Armando Almanza and Braden Looper got a young Edgar Renteria
Bud Smith (can’t miss lefty!) and Polanco got Rolen from Philly
Justin Pope and Ben Julianel obtained Sterling Hitchcock
I’m pretty comfortable with one Danny Haren for Mark McGwire, Scott Rolen, Edgar Renteria, Todd Stottlemyre, etc
The team has holes and he needs to fill them from organization strengths. College closers lighting up the minors are perfect examples of trading high.*
*Which still doesn’t mean I liked the Rolen trade. i agree with the kid. he’s hurt too much
rich delucia (31-year old non-prospect) and Doug Creek (26-year old meh prospect) got him a young Royce Clayton (is this something to be celebrated?)
Carl Dale (numbers look okay, but he was in A-ball), Bret Wagner (looks like he may have been a decent prospect, but his numbers outside of ERA weren’t outstanding) and Jay Witasick (I wouldn’t call him a failure, pretty mediocre in the bigs) got Todd Stottlemyre (who was quite good for a number of years for the Cards)
Steve Montgomery netted Dennis Eckersley (this was a dumb trade by Oakland. Montgomery’s numbers didn’t look that great)
The great TJ Matthews (finally a legitimate failed prospect, and yet he still had an ERA+ of 115 in the majors) and Blake Stein (was pitching poorly in AA at the time of the deal, have a hard time pegging him as a big prospect) got Mark McGwire, which enabled him to Dmitri for Jeff Bratnley
Armando Almanza (decent prospect, but only as a reliever and he didn’t have any control) and Braden Looper (he’s not great, but can we call a pitcher in his 12th season in the Majors with an ERA+ of 102 a failure?) got a young Edgar Renteria
Bud Smith (can’t miss lefty! – Really? His numbers look a lot like Matt Maloney) and Polanco got Rolen from Philly (at a time when Rolen was demanding a deal and being a giant PITA to the Phillies)
Justin Pope (I have a hard time calling guys who haven’t pitched above A ball big prospects) and Ben Julianel (same as Pope) obtained Sterling Hitchcock (who had to that point put together a worse career than what Looper has done)
So, as far as I can tell, Mathews was the only major prospect (based on numbers) that had been dealt. He is the only player you listed that I would say is comparable to Haren as a prospect. So, the question is, would you trade Haren and Mathews for McGwire and Mulder? I’m guessing Walt probably still would because acquiring McGwire pretty much gave him the budget to do everything else he did in the 90s/00s. Plus, based on the production from both sets of players after the deals, it’s probably a pretty even deal. Way to go, Walt, you were right 50% of the time on trading big time pitching prospects (note: Stewart was not a Haren/Mathews type prospect, but pitching the way he did last year in the upper minors at age 22, he’s a better prospect than anyone else you listed)
Definitely a good argument.
Haren and Mathews for McGwire and Mulder
Hells yeah.
As I mentioned, McGwire allows the trade of Dmitri for Brantley, which shored up another weak area.
And, I STILL don’t have problem with the Mulder deal. Walt couldn’t tell Haren would stay healthy and Mulder wouldn’t.
your enthusiasm for that deal is interesting
especially given what we know now. McGwire was worth 19 WAR after the deal. Haren has been worth 22+ and is still going. Mathews was worth about 2 WAR and Mulder about -1.4 after the deals. Brantley was worth about -0.6 WAR (including 0 WAR for the Cardinals) and Young was worth 10.4 WAR. You’d have lost those deals, just like Walt did, though again, I think he still does that deal just because of what McGwire ’98 did for him.
Also, he may not have known that Mulder wouldn’t stay healthy, but he should have known that Mulder’s peripherals were declining already, which does not bode well for a 26-year old.
Definitely a good argument.
Uh, yeah, except for the fact that the McGwire trade
began a rebirth of the franchise, vaulting them into the playoff, getting them a new Stadium, and enabling them to win the World Series 7 years and several division titles later.
Most baseball trades, etc can be evaluated with numbers, but some cannot. Their mark in either the city or on the franchise improves or injures the franchise. That trade made that franchise for years even after he left.
The Cardinals without McGwire are the Mariners in the “aughties,” good (with one phenomenal team in the M’s case) but never good enough.
"The Cardinals without McGwire are the Mariners in the "aughties," good (with one phenomenal team in the M’s case) but never good enough."
uh, Albert Pujols thinks you are loco.
"Everything you are doing is bad. I want you to know this."
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 7, 2009 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
Pujols built that Stadium?
Mcgwire and the fans and money and ratings he brought into the picture made that Stadium possible
Pujols is the best player in baseball
if you think player’s off-the-field value is so important, it is folly to not include him in this discussion.
"Everything you are doing is bad. I want you to know this."
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 7, 2009 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
You mean, whether Walt should have traded pitchers for him?
in this case, it isn’t relevant, although I am ADHD enough, i might take this anywhere.
Jack Buck! Joe Buck!
Good Character players like Jim Edmonds! White Pride!
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
Oh, and looking up all those pitchers?
Awesome. way more effort than I was willing to make. Just delving into the spreadsheet and making sure the names I never heard of were pitchers was troublesome enough.
If those pitchers were poor, then it makes you wonder how Walt uses voodoo to make other GM’s give up players for non-prospects.
I think Walt had some special powers in the early 90s
but I’m not so sure that he still has those powers. I think there is a smarter class of GM out there now. I think that, more than anything, is why he hasn’t pulled off any major deals besides the Rolen deal. He has a harder time pulling the wool over another GM’s eyes.
All just a theory.
Definitely a good argument.
Makes sense to me.
Although getting Masset for Griff was good. And, I still believe in the power of Dallas Buck, mainly because a guy with that name NEEDS to play in MLB
I fully admit that my comment re: Mulder was a cheap shot
I deserve to get to take cheap shots now and then. :)
-j
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I understand your confusion...didn't you mean Scully?
There is an overriding misconception that Clutch is an overriding misconception.
Jeff Fiorentino as an acquisition?
Did people enjoy the Denorfia experience that much?
Noah Lowry could be interesting, if the Reds traded some of their depth (Cozart, Dorn, ?) for him. Until I realized that he hasn’t pitched since 2007.
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
Cozart isn't depth
he’s the only viable shortstop in the system right now, at least above A-ball. Also, Lowry’s a free agent.
Also, Lowry doesn’t strike out many, but at least he walks a lot too. And I’d be concerned about home runs once he comes to GABP. He’s not really a ground ball pitcher. He’s not a good fit for the Reds, even with the improved defense.
Definitely a good argument.
True, but he's depth, which they don't have right now.
Coming off such a long absence, he’ll probably get a one year, incentive laden deal, which I’d be ok with.
Of course, this means the Reds will probably offer him 3yr/$15 mil guaranteed.
If I hear the word 'perky' again, I'll puke
agreed. Cozart is the Janish of the future, who may be able to hit a little
I don’t mind Lowry as much, but only on the cheap and someone lse will give him more money
If they sign Jamey Carroll to anything more than a league minimum deal, I'm quitting the team
I mean it too.
If they sign him, it means they haven’t learned their lesson from crappy players who could easily be replaced by minor leaguers.
If they sign him, I have no faith in the front office to 1) properly evaluate talent 2) properly allocate scarce resources 3) take their heads out of their collective posteriors
If they sign him, it means they haven’t been paying attention to the majors or their own organization. Carroll is NOT a great defender. He’s a pretty good 2B, and a slightly above average corner OF. Last I checked, that’s not what we need. There’s no way he’d be better than Janish defensively, and I doubt he’d be much better offensively. His last three years’ wOBA were .317, .319, and .284.
Please, Walt. Just say no.
If I hear the word 'perky' again, I'll puke
I don't want them to sign him
but he’s hardly a reason for jumping ship.
Definitely a good argument.
Yes he is
because (if he’s signed for more than one year and/or more than 1 million dollars or so) it would be so incredibly pointless and counter-productive.
With all the talk of going young, stressing defense, etc., he makes ZERO sense, plus he doesn’t even help the offense.
The move itself wouldn’t be so bad, it would just be a symbol of the complete lack of focused plan.
If I hear the word 'perky' again, I'll puke
I think he is
Walt is gaga for guys like Carroll. Ifthe Reds don’t sign him, they will sign a dozen more just like him. And the worst part is that they will play, and we will never see what the Fraziers, Cozarts, Heiseys etc. would do because of it.
by Brian B on Dec 7, 2009 3:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
He stands to have about as much value as Janish at SS
at 4x the price or more and compares similarly in my mind to Sutton at 2B. And Sutton has some power, cost-control and relative youth in his favor.
In fairness, he was worth 3.1 WAR in ‘06, mostly at 2B, but if the Reds are seizing on him for that season, they’ve learned nothing from Willy Taveras.
Yeah, those guys and the Cincinnati Reds. They're a terrible football team. / Because they're a baseball team? / Exactly. You know who's the worst football team? The Philadelphia Flyers. - Best Show
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Dec 7, 2009 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
I don't get it
Everybody on this board constantly whines about not having guys who can get on base. Here’s a guy with a .351 lifetime OBP who’s a very good #2 hitter (something we lack). When Sutton can hit .273 and have a .351 OBP, then he’s the player Carroll is but right now he’s not. If you doubt he’d be better than Janish offensively, then you can’t read a stat sheet. I’m not sure about him as a SS, but surely his addition would give us some flexibility.
He's not terrible
but I don’t think he’d be worth paying $3MM (a modest raise on last years salary) or more for “flexibility” or a chance at a minor improvement in total value at SS. If he could be had for less – more like $1.5MM-$2MM base salary – he could be a look to platoon with Janish against RHP, but his OPS vs. RHP in the majors is .694 OPS and by all accounts his defense doesn’t play at short. We’ve got plenty of cheap, effective corner OFs with upside – so it just wouldn’t be worth the money for a minor upgrade to BP/Rolen’s backup, especially if it was a multi-year deal.
Yeah, those guys and the Cincinnati Reds. They're a terrible football team. / Because they're a baseball team? / Exactly. You know who's the worst football team? The Philadelphia Flyers. - Best Show
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Dec 7, 2009 8:02 PM EST up reply actions
*for more flexbility
Yeah, those guys and the Cincinnati Reds. They're a terrible football team. / Because they're a baseball team? / Exactly. You know who's the worst football team? The Philadelphia Flyers. - Best Show
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Dec 7, 2009 8:02 PM EST up reply actions
I agree
that if he wants $3 million a year, he’s not worth it. He hasn’t played enough SS recently to say anything, but his UZRs at 2B are prettty good; his addition might make the BP move to SS make more sense – our lineup would have more offense and we wouldn’t be sacrificing defense at 2B.
I would only add
that I’d have to imagine he’s going to get at least $2MM, which is 4X what Drew Sutton makes. And it seems like Sutton can play 2B and 3B with similar profficiency. I realize Carroll has proven he can get on base at the MLB level, but on the extremely remote chance they’d move BP for him, you might be paying a couple million just to keep the status quo. They haven’t given Sutton a chance at even a part-time role yet, though I might be a little higher on him than is justified.
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Dec 8, 2009 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
Basically, I would rather have him on the roster than Rosales
but not for the money he’s likely to demand.
Yeah, those guys and the Cincinnati Reds. They're a terrible football team. / Because they're a baseball team? / Exactly. You know who's the worst football team? The Philadelphia Flyers. - Best Show
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Dec 7, 2009 8:06 PM EST up reply actions
I have to admit
…that I hadn’t looked at Carroll’s numbers since he was with Colorado. OBP is much better than I realized. Thanks.
-j
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I think for me
its that I’m tired of all the talk of these mediocre guys being thrown around as some sort of solution. I’d take Carrol sure but he’s not a clear upgrade over anyone we have now, and I wouldn’t go as far as saying a “very good #2 hitter” I think youre playing down to the Reds level on that. I’d rather save the money and invest it in the draft, 1-2 mil can make a much larger difference there. In a way he might end up blocking Frazier. He’d be a slight upgrade over janish offensively and a slightly more proven player than sutton. Personally I’d rather find out what we have in Janish/Sutton and leave the possibilty of seeing if Frazier could hack it as a solid utility guy at some point next yr, and that includes as a part-time SS.
I'd take Cruz
He’s going to be cheaper than Gomes, and he’s a MUCH better defender. It’s probably the difference between 1-2 WAR for Gomes and 3-4 WAR for Cruz simply because of the defense.
If I hear the word 'perky' again, I'll puke
i dont know if he'll be "cheaper"
factor in the prospects we’ll have to send to the Rangers and the difference between likely isnt worth it.
"Everything you are doing is bad. I want you to know this."
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 7, 2009 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
What Charlie says
I’d imagine the Rangers would want significant prospects for a guy who isn’t even arb-eligible yet.
On the other hand, Cruz’s defense in much better than Gomes’, as measured by UZR – to the tune that Gomes is -22.3 runs/150 games for his career (and that doesn’t include the positional adjustment of -40.7 runs for his career), while Cruz is +11.7 runs/150 (with a much better positional adjustment). The real difference is probably closer to 4 wins/season, not the 2 wins you’re suggesting.
"You never know how you look through other people's eyes"
Yeah, I'm not really saying they SHOULD make the trade
just that I wouldn’t be opposed to having him, and I don’t think he’s replaceable by someone we already have.
He would certainly make the team significantly better.
If I hear the word 'perky' again, I'll puke
Peter King noted that the Red Sox signed Marco Scutaro for two years
He really wished they would have stuck with Alex Gonzalez, a guy with “premier defense.” He wanted them to sign Gonzalez to a one year deal and then “look for someone for 2010.” I’m beginning to think that Peter King may not be a top notch baseball mind.
33 tackles, 3.5 sacks, 1 INT, 6 passes defensed
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by jch24 on Dec 7, 2009 1:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Hey!
What did I do to you?
We Are ... Marshall!
by Thundering Turtle on Dec 7, 2009 3:56 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Just noticed this:
I’ve never seen Mark Mann
I’ve seen Slyde, but no one has ever seen Mark Mann and Slyde at the same place and time
Both have ‘quit’ their jobs to write a book
Is Slyde really Mark Mann…
There is an overriding misconception that Clutch is an overriding misconception.
Mark Mann quit his job to go into wealth management
and I have seen he and I together at the same time, so I know we are different people.
Definitely a good argument.
oh, and I didn't quit my job to write a book
I quit my job, and to pass the time, I am going to write a book. And then I’m going to do something else.
Definitely a good argument.
I'm quite certain my wife would kick my ass if I did nothing
or at least she’d kick me to the curb, which would totally negate the ability to quit my job in the first place.
Definitely a good argument.
you could go to grad school
i might have an opening for a roommate next year, we could be roommates. Just saying.
"There is no harder thing than to have Glenn Beck outlive your child."-The Onion
I smell a sictom.....
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by jch24 on Dec 7, 2009 10:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Replace Slyde with Mads and I'd watch
"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san
by BK on Dec 7, 2009 10:21 PM EST up reply actions
I just want to be theannoyinh old guy who returns to school and lives across the hall.
There is an overriding misconception that Clutch is an overriding misconception.
my 30 year old roommate has that covered.
"There is no harder thing than to have Glenn Beck outlive your child."-The Onion
by justin007000 on Dec 8, 2009 12:07 AM EST up reply actions
your 30 yr olod roommate is just a kid
However I could be your annoying old man roommate and your present roommate could be the creep across the hall who hates you.
There is an overriding misconception that Clutch is an overriding misconception.
Can you imagine, Mads? Justin is so young, he thinks 30 is "older guy across the hall"
Remind to hate him more for that as nature continues to steal my hair and will to live
what's the book about?
Lost fan fiction?
"Everything you are doing is bad. I want you to know this."
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 7, 2009 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
have you seen the new promos with Willie Nelson singing "Amazing Grace"?
definitely a good commercial.
"Everything you are doing is bad. I want you to know this."
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 7, 2009 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
I'm thinking of quitting my job and asking Madville to write a book for me.
by Brian B on Dec 7, 2009 3:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I couda made you a contender!
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Matt Murton was released by the Rockies
if the Reds are shy about giving Gomes $3 mil, Murton could likely be had for $1 mil or less (he’s contemplating playing in Japan) and would make a pretty dreamy platoon partner for Dickerson. he’s a plus fielder in left with an OPS against lefties of .850. i would stand and clap if Walt made it happen.
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by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 7, 2009 3:45 PM EST reply actions
oh yeah
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by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 7, 2009 3:46 PM EST up reply actions
Uh
that link says that he is being released specifically to go play in Japan. I doubt he’ll stay in the U.S.
Definitely a good argument.
Yeah, but do you really think he'd turn down an MLB offer of $1 million?
If I hear the word 'perky' again, I'll puke
Also, Fay says the consensus amongst agents
Is that Gomes would only get about 1.5 million in arb. He also says the Reds are trying to bring him back for 1 million. If that’s true, and they somehow lose him over 500k, I’m quitting this team.
I mean it!
If I hear the word 'perky' again, I'll puke
That'd be the best possible outcome
What do you think is the most Gomes would get on the FA market? I’d think the Reds might be compelled to give him a second year if they settle before arb, but maybe both the arb predictions and the potential going rate for Gomes could cause him to bite at less then $1.5MM. If so, that’s pretty great.
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Dec 7, 2009 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
Oh and Gomes can't refuse arbitration right?
Because he’s under control? That seems to be a misapprehension over there at Fay.
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Dec 7, 2009 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
Not by Fay, but by Fay-heads
Fay-goers?
The Faythful?
Fay Dunn-aways?
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Dec 7, 2009 4:20 PM EST up reply actions 7 recs
Fay Dunn-aways
winner
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by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 7, 2009 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
Older women are so hot
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older women?
isnt she like half your age?
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by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 8, 2009 8:45 AM EST up reply actions
I'll have you know that Ms. Dunaway is actually older than I
And she looks fabulous…68 is the new 45
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Did you RTFA?
When the opportunity arose in Japan, however, the Rockies agreed to allow Murton to go because of the salary he can command in that country.
Definitely a good argument.
I wonder how much he'll really be able to make
Definitely more than a million, but it looks like the top paid players only make 5ish million. I found one guy who makes 7, but I doubt a guy like Murton would make much more than 2-3 million.
If I hear the word 'perky' again, I'll puke
Yen is at a high point now
Not a bad idea for a Japanese team to pick up an unappreciated American guy this winter.
by ken on Dec 7, 2009 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
"the salary he can command in that country"
Ginger is big in japan!
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by Cy Schourek on Dec 7, 2009 5:08 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
not if he is getting the equivalent of $3M to play in Japan
"There is no harder thing than to have Glenn Beck outlive your child."-The Onion
Some twitter updates from 'duk at Big League Stew
Dusty: “everyones looking for young players who have a lot of ability and don’t cost much. We have a lot of those guys”
Dusty says the Reds are happy with that core – Votto, Bruce, Stubbs, etc
Dusty: Cant count on having Volquez sooner than All Star break and team doesn’t want to rush him
Dusty says he feels like he has the team he’ll go to spring training with.
Dusty: “We’re on a budget. Let’s face it”
(source)
CTR adds: "dusty baker says the team still interested in laynce nix "
Definitely a good argument.
I don't understand keeping Nix in the conversation unless it's minor league contract
+ invitation to ST. Leads me to believe they’re much lower on Dickerson than they should be.
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Dec 7, 2009 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
I am glad the team doesn't want to rush Volquez
last thing we need is a repeat Jose Rijo.
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And appearing in the major motion picture
Sugar?
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Dec 7, 2009 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
You better buy me dinner if you plan on calling me that
"Santa Claus doesn't use Craigslist." -- 'tHan
I've been engaging in flights of fantasy
about an early fall rotation of Harang, Arroyo, Volquez, Cueto and Bailey if the Reds are still competitive. Admittedly, the Reds will have probably dropped to 4th, Arroyo is unlikely to pitch like he did second half ‘09 and Bailey and Cueto are far from safe bets to be both healthy and reliable, but you have to admit, that’s definitely what the rotation could probably be.
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Dec 7, 2009 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
Nick Johnson!
Also big in Japan!
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Fiorentino could make someone a nice player
if he’s given a chance, something he never got with Baltimore, Cincinnati nor Oakland. I liked him coming out of Florida Atlantic. The Orioles brought him to the majors too soon, though, and it set him back overall.
The Reds don’t need him, though. So, quit rambling Turtle.
We Are ... Marshall!
by Thundering Turtle on Dec 7, 2009 3:58 PM EST reply actions
I don't think you can have enough low risk, medium-reward type signings
if you’re the Reds. I guess there’s nowhere to put Fiorentino – and if he got any guaranteed money it’d be better spent elsewhere – but they should be thinking along these lines.
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Dec 7, 2009 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
BTW
I posted this in justin’s tHom fanshot, but Paul Keels will be the secondary play-by-play guy for FS Ohio in 2010 and will call games when tHom isn’t.
Definitely a good argument.
how many announcers do the Reds need?
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who is Paul Keels?
never heard of ’im.
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by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 7, 2009 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
Voice of the Buckeyes
And he loves Skyline Chili
Calmer than you are.
by 3 Fast 3 Furious on Dec 7, 2009 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
oh
well good for him.
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by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 7, 2009 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
BTW - Brian Kelly goes to Notre Dame tuesday to interview
Unbelievable.
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I don't understand why they can't put it off
until after the bowl game. Do they have to get him in there right away with the recruiting and donor-baiting?
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Dec 7, 2009 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
yep
recruiting is a 365 kinda thing.
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by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 7, 2009 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
if he goes,
can Cincy keep the offensive coordinator?
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
also, no way BK goes to ND
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
well what has a baby ever done for you?
"There is no harder thing than to have Glenn Beck outlive your child."-The Onion
hey slyde hows about a winter meetings open thread
this will give me something to do tomorrow at work
I want to talk about how much it sucks that tommy bahama fucked our payroll situation. And how I want to be an Ms fan right now.
I think Reds should go after Crosby.
by Dave from Louisville on Dec 7, 2009 10:34 PM EST reply actions
this request for a fan post should be a fan shot
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
Lets ask Brian B. for a ruling
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