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The Red Reporter Book Club: you're all a bunch of turds


The second chapter of The Machine - "A show like they never seen before" - sets the stage for the 1975 season by describing the hiring of Sparky Anderson and the preceding offseason.  In spring training Sparky Anderson famously gave his "turds" speech:

"He announced that the Machine was made up of two different kinds of players.  First, there were the superstars.  To be more specific, Sparky said, there were four superstars - Pete Rose, Johnny Bench, Joe Morgan, and Tony Perez.  Those four made their own rules....   Those four were royalty.

"The rest of you," Sparky said, "are turds."

It's arguable that the handling of egos and personalities on a baseball team is at least as important, if not more so, than the more strategic or technical aspects like lineup construction or bullpen use.  Sparky did not have failings in the latter categories - known as "Captain Hook," he was an early leader in modern bullpen usage, and of course there was no bad way to construct a lineup with those players.  But his deft handling of the superstar egos on the BRM might have been his most valuable trait.  What say you?  Would a manager who insisted on equality have failed to deliver the same success, or was the talent so overwhelming that it didn't matter who managed?  And how do you think Dusty compares to Sparky in this respect?  As much as I like to bag on Dusty, it seems as if he handled a delicate situation with Votto well this year.  And he also stuck with Bruce through some ugly slumps.  If these guys put up MVP caliber seasons in the near future, some of their success may very well be attributable to the toothpick chewin' fossil.


Sparky also told the club that "this team is like my television set.  Nobody messes with it."  Relief pitcher Will McEnaney's 30-year reflection on Spark's speech is priceless: "None of us ever knew what the fuck Sparky was talking about."

Star-divide

There's plenty else discussed in the chapter, including the origin of the team nickname, the story of Sparky's hiring, the pre-1975 playoff failings (it's forgotten by many fans now, but without '75 the BRM would be perceived like the '90s Braves), Gary Nolan's improbable return from surgery, and delightfully gratuitous potshots at Steve Garvey.  But two vignettes stuck out in my mind:

- The Pete Rose contract negotiations are interesting because of both Pete and the era.  This was immediately prior to free agency, which Rose himself would test after the '78 season.  So while the players were beginning to assert themselves more thanks to stronger union leadership, the teams still had all the leverage and may have wanted to make that point to its players.  The Reds sought to dock Rose's pay for what they perceived as a down year in 1974.  When Pete brought up his high walk total in the negotiations, the team scoffed:  "Pete," [Ass't GM Dick] Wagner said quietly, "this is not about your walks.  This is about your batting average....  you hit .284, which is of course, well below your usual standard....  we pay you to hit .300...."   

While Rose seems like a guy that a team would want to compensate well - a hometown guy, a passionate player with a large following, and he was really, really good at baseball - the team had their concerns.  Ultimately they settled on a salary cut of $5,000.  I just find it fascinating that a team bickered with a superstar over $5,000.  Marge Schott would carry on the petty tradition nicely. 

- The other vignette is timely (for us) because it concerns George Foster.  Riverfront76 correctly pointed out that Foster really exploded onto stardom in '75.  Before then Foster was blocked by great players but he also didn't make a great case for more time, carrying a sub .400 SLG as a corner outfielder.  What was the "something" that happened?  Nobody can say for sure, but in '74 Wendell Deyo became the first team chaplain in Reds history.  Having a team chaplain was not a popular idea with many of the players, Sparky, and Dick Wagner (Wagner resented the chaplain because he'd come from work environments where bosses diddled their secretaries on their desk).  But Foster sought out Deyo's counsel and the two eventually became friends.  According to Deyo, Foster longed for peace and reason.

So what happened that propelled Foster to stardom?  Physical maturation (the age 26 season is often the year a player makes a significant leap), more consistent playing time, something from above, or all of the above? 

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Comparing dusty to Sparky is a joke.

Sparky – realist
Dusty – living in the past
Sparky – Took no shit
Dusty – Peacemaker
Sparky – innovative
Dusty – By the worn out old school Book.
Sparky – semi-incoherent
Dusty – well spoken
Sparky – barely played in the Majors – had an ax to grine
Dusty – Great Dodger outfielder – didn’t know what el;se to do but try managing
Sparking – WS winniner in NL and AL
Dusty – Still California Dreamin’

If Sparky would have the 2010 Reds (in his prime0 I guarantee they would compete.
Guaranteed.

 

There is an overriding misconception that Clutch is an overriding misconception.

by Madville on Dec 5, 2009 2:19 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Dusty is well spoken?

Let me write out a formal proof for you.

by Gray on Dec 5, 2009 2:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Compared to Sparky

And he is a wine connoisseur as well. Dusty is…Sparky drinks 3 buck Chuck.

There is an overriding misconception that Clutch is an overriding misconception.

by Madville on Dec 5, 2009 3:56 PM EST up reply actions  

And another:

Sparky — hopelessly, uncontrollably honest/open with the press
Dusty — hopelessly disingenuous with the press. Intentionally opens B.S. “back in the day” stories to avoid saying anything about the team he is managing.

"Whether you like it or not, history is on our side. We will bury you!"

by "Red" Moskau on Dec 5, 2009 10:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with what makes great managers great

With the great teams with several great players, it seems that the biggest impact the managers have is in managing egos. This is what Torre has done for so many years in both New York and LA and Francona in Boston.

by ben nevis on Dec 5, 2009 4:43 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Doug Flynn was working the Reds Fantasy Camp booth

told me he wanted to write a book called “The Other Guys” specifically about The Turds. Couldn’t tell if he was joking.

Definitely a good argument.

by Slyde on Dec 5, 2009 9:25 PM EST reply actions  

I love the psychology of the 2nd string guys...

…probably because I spent a lot of time there!. Pat Conroy (author of The Great Santini and The Prince of Tides ) writes about his time as a point guard on for Citadel’s basketball team, where the non-starters were dubbed “greenies”. Tell Doug to write the book! Strangely, 85% of Sparky’s pitchers would consider themselves “turds”, too.

"Whether you like it or not, history is on our side. We will bury you!"

by "Red" Moskau on Dec 5, 2009 10:10 PM EST up reply actions  

A lot of pitchers are considered turds by their managers

It should be noted that only 2 pitchers from the 1990 team were at Redsfest (Browning and Scott Scudder, who was back with his teammates for the first time in 15+ years). The common thinking was that none of the pitchers liked Lou so they didn’t care to see him anymore. Then again, there are extenuating circumstances for Rijo, Mahler, and Layana, so that cuts the number down. The only player that I was really disappointed that he wasn’t there was Norm Charlton. I wanted to ask him about plowing over Mike Scioscia late in the ball game when his team was up by 5 runs.

Definitely a good argument.

by Slyde on Dec 6, 2009 11:06 AM EST up reply actions  

no love for Dibble?

i’d love to know if jack armstrong is working on a tuna boat now. and how much Tim Birtsas weighs, i say 325.

"Nate Silver is a genius" .... BK

by obc2 on Dec 6, 2009 1:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Eh, Dibble's mostly an act. I'm not sure he'd give you that much of a good story

Charlton has 3 degrees and is a much more intellectual and thoughtful person, according to just about everybody. Scudder called him the “quiet assasin.” I’d love to pick his brain.

Definitely a good argument.

by Slyde on Dec 6, 2009 2:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I think its in Tom Wolfe's I Am Charlotte Simmons

its a novel, but there’s a great bit about the walk-ons on the big-time basketball team being called “Floaties”. The idea is that the team GPA has to be >2.0, so there are a bunch of walk-ons who get 4.0s just so that the stars don’t have to go to class. It’s an interesting dynamic.

"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander

by Cy Schourek on Dec 6, 2009 2:27 PM EST up reply actions  

O. M. G.

I had the best burger tonight. Justin, if yoir’re reading this, Kuma’s Corner on Belmont. It’s worth the 2.5 hour wait. Trust me.

by Brian B on Dec 6, 2009 12:51 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

I've already told you

to go to the place around the corner from Kuma’s, right?

Let me write out a formal proof for you.

by Gray on Dec 6, 2009 1:38 PM EST up reply actions  

How could sparky not include Johnny bench in the 'Turd Pile'

this should be a FanShot

There is an overriding misconception that Clutch is an overriding misconception.

by Madville on Dec 6, 2009 3:07 PM EST reply actions  

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