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World Cup Draw: The English are coming!




Group A
South Africa
Mexico
Uruguay
France

Group B
Argentina
Nigeria
South Korea
Greece

Group C
England
United States
Algeria
Slovenia

Group D
Germany
Australia
Serbia
Ghana

Group E
Netherlands
Denmark
Japan
Cameroon

Group F
Italy
Paraguay
New Zealand
Slovakia

Group G
Brazil
North Korea
Ivory Coast
Portugal

Group H
Spain
Switzerland
Honduras
Chile

 

What do you think of our group?  Any matchups you're excited to see?  How much does it suck to be North Korea?

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Like the draw a lot for the U.S.

Also, if it finishes second in the group, a likely matchup with Germany in Round of 16. I want revenge!

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by cesarhernandez on Dec 4, 2009 1:36 PM EST reply actions  

I'm thankful we're not in Group G.

That lineup of Brazil/Portugal/CdI is very tough.

"If it wasn't this, it'd be something else."

by ZJiff30 on Dec 4, 2009 1:37 PM EST reply actions  

Yeah, one of those teams is going home

My money is on Portugal. They’ve had some injuries, are prone to upsets in major competitions, and Cote d’Ivoire will be on its home continent. It’s worth noting that no European team has won the World Cup when the tournament is not played in Europe.

by Brendanukkah on Dec 4, 2009 1:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Cote d'Ivoire is really tough. I think they'll get overlooked.

I like Brazil, obviously. I agree that Portugal will probably be upset by the Ivory squad.

"If it wasn't this, it'd be something else."

by ZJiff30 on Dec 4, 2009 1:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I think your overrating South Africa's Africanness vs. its Europeanness

for all of the ads with zebrahs and elephants, South Africa is still more British than it is African. I’m rooting for Netherlands to win it in the Third Boer War

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by Cy Schourek on Dec 4, 2009 6:36 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

And after all the controversy

It’s hilarous that FIFA gives France the warm kiss of Group A. Italy and Germany have nice draws.

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by cesarhernandez on Dec 4, 2009 1:39 PM EST reply actions  

My initial thoughts

There’s no way we’re beating England, although a draw might be possible. David Beckham is likely to be playing for AC Milan before the World Cup, but it would have been funny to see him playing in MLS, and whether the American Players might try to take him down. Similarly, our top two goalkeepers play in the Premier League, as does M/F Clint Dempsey. Jay DeMerit, likely one of our center backs plays for West Ham with a Slovenian teammate.

Still, we got the weakest African team and one of the weakest European teams. Assuming that Oguchi Onyewu will be recovered, I think we can definitely advance out of the group.

by Brendanukkah on Dec 4, 2009 1:39 PM EST reply actions  

I agree.

It’s going to be difficult to beat England. However, if we play like we did when we beat Spain, anything’s possible. At least that game is first.

"If it wasn't this, it'd be something else."

by ZJiff30 on Dec 4, 2009 1:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm missing Charlie Davies more and more

I’m wondering whether it’s best to play Clint Dempsey up top, or try and rely on the suddenly white-hot Jeff Cunningham. If Conor Casey’s name is anywhere near the roster that goes to South Africa, I will scream.

I would like to see more of Edgar Castillo though.

by Brendanukkah on Dec 4, 2009 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I think they'll play Dempsey over Cunningham

but he’ll have a shorter leash. Castillo should get more time.

Conor Casey is welcome to come to SA as a waterboy.

"If it wasn't this, it'd be something else."

by ZJiff30 on Dec 4, 2009 1:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I've always thought Dempsey played better out on the wing,

but I also don’t trust Cunningham. You should’ve driven slower, Charlie Davies!!

If I hear the word 'perky' again, I'll puke

by nycredsfan on Dec 4, 2009 2:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Dempsey plays more of a forward role for his club team, Fulham

Also, his big goals during the Confederations Cup tended to come after he’d been moved from the wing to up top. Cunningham is old and has been out of the national team picture for some time, but there’s no denying his scoring touch right now. 16 goals in the second half of the season for Dallas and the only player to score for the US in their recent games against Denmark and Slovakia. It’s an interesting case, and one of the few players that gives you something close to the speed of Davies.

Also, reports are that Davies wasn’t the driver of that car.

by Brendanukkah on Dec 4, 2009 2:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I liked Findlay for Real in the MLS Cup

he brings the Davies game (speed, mostly) but then again, so does Adu. Is there a chance he gets to come out?

"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander

by Cy Schourek on Dec 4, 2009 6:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Findley deserves some kind of shot, as a reserve at least

He’s looked downright awesome all year. I’d also love to see someone like Jermaine Jones get added to the squad too. He’s a midfielder who’s lived and played in Germany his whole life, but has American parents, and recently declared for the US team, so he’s eligible to be picked. Adding someone like that would give us an opportunity to put Dempsey up top where he belongs.

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by BK on Dec 4, 2009 9:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Adu has seemingly a ton of talent

If you watch his highlight videos, he’s got more creativity than just about any US player. However, he can’t find a club where he gets playing time. I don’t know what the problem is, but it’s been about three years since he’s played regularly. He’s an extreme longshot to make the team. I doubt we see him.

by Brendanukkah on Dec 4, 2009 10:57 PM EST up reply actions  

The problem with Adu....

He’s the same height as I am. That doesn’t fly as an attacker unless you’re as skilled as Messi. Adu’s skilled, but he’s not Messi skilled.

Also, am I crazy for thinking this Cup could be a “Welcome to the International Stage” party for Jozy Altidore? I love the way that kid plays.

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by BLee2525 on Dec 4, 2009 11:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Either it is, or the US doesn't make it out of the group stage

For them to advance at all, Altidore is going to have to play huge.

I agree though, I love his play too, and I think he could be a breakout star at the Cup

If I hear the word 'perky' again, I'll puke

by nycredsfan on Dec 5, 2009 11:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Jozy isn't getting hardly any run at Hull

I’d love for him to start showing up and get some goals in 2010 for them, but I’m starting to get concerned. Its not like Hull has tons of weaposn.

"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander

by Cy Schourek on Dec 5, 2009 3:55 PM EST up reply actions  

He's been getting starts there recently.

Along awesomely named Jan Vennegoor of Hesselink, and Geovanni. He hasn’t been playing the full 90 minutes though, which is a concern.

"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san

by BK on Dec 5, 2009 9:15 PM EST up reply actions  

And hasn't scored goals, which is also a concern

"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san

by BK on Dec 5, 2009 9:15 PM EST up reply actions  

DeMerit plays for Watford, in the Cokeship

You’re thinking of Jonathan Spector for West Ham. I don’t think that’ll be a problem, because he never plays, but you overlooked Jozy Altidore playing for Hull. He needs to get the hell out of there.

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by BK on Dec 4, 2009 9:39 PM EST up reply actions  

All three CONCACAF teams have a decent chance of advancing out of group stage

Mexico needs to beat France, but they can do that. Honduras will not beat Spain, but they should handle business against Chile. The question is how they fare against the Swiss. US, obviously, has a decent road.

"If it wasn't this, it'd be something else."

by ZJiff30 on Dec 4, 2009 1:49 PM EST reply actions  

Chile is tough

Honduras isn’t a bad team, but I don’t see them advancing over Spain and Chile. And Mexico… what a lucky break. I think they can beat France, particularly if Geovani dos Santos is in form for this tournament. The host’s luck is going to definitely be put to the test. Every host team has made it out of the group stage, even the US in ‘94. It’ll be tough this time. But if Japan can do it, why not South Africa?

by Brendanukkah on Dec 4, 2009 1:52 PM EST up reply actions  

they're a speedy side, no doubt.

They definitely don’t have to be the best technical team to advance in that group. The question is, which side do they get the most help from, Mexico or France.

"If it wasn't this, it'd be something else."

by ZJiff30 on Dec 4, 2009 1:57 PM EST up reply actions  

If Beckham fixed the draw...

At least he threw us a bone too.

"If it wasn't this, it'd be something else."

by ZJiff30 on Dec 4, 2009 1:50 PM EST reply actions  

Actually, I think I like Group C for the U.S.

better than Group A. England is more beatable than France. And you KNOW South Africa as the host country will get the homer help by the officials against teams like Mexico and Uruguay.

FIFA wants the host to make at least the Round of 16.

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by cesarhernandez on Dec 4, 2009 1:52 PM EST reply actions  

And I watched South Africa

in the Confed Cup. Small, but extremely fast team. With Mexico’s spotty history. don’t be surprised if South Africa advances.

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by cesarhernandez on Dec 4, 2009 1:54 PM EST reply actions  

Schaap is trying to badger BoBradley to say that this group will be easy.

Bradley won’t do it. It’s funny to watch.

"If it wasn't this, it'd be something else."

by ZJiff30 on Dec 4, 2009 2:02 PM EST reply actions  

Jermaine Jones is finally fit now

I wonder if it’s too late for him to be called into the mix.

by Brendanukkah on Dec 4, 2009 2:04 PM EST reply actions  

so what's the most uncertain group here?

im gonna say D and E. the seeded teams should advance without many problems, but beyond them it looks like it could be anyone’s game.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 4, 2009 2:16 PM EST reply actions  

B also will be interesting to watch unfold

Nigeria should advance, but can’t overlook Greece. I don’t think SK has much of a chance though.

"If it wasn't this, it'd be something else."

by ZJiff30 on Dec 4, 2009 2:22 PM EST up reply actions  

The most uncertain might be Group G, the seeming Group of Death

Cote d’Ivoire and Portugal seem like something of a tossup, with great strikers, but not necessarily elite teams. Brazil should advance, but don’t forget that the US was up on them 2-0 in the Confederations Cup final. They’re elite, but could be had. Their qualifying campaign started sluggishly, not like Spain or England who won all their matches. It’s three top teams and only two can go through. Poor North Korea, which will be trying to play them on a diet of sawdust and propaganda. It’s possible that the other three teams might rest players when they play N. Korea, which might give them a chance to knock off a giant. I don’t see that happening though.

by Brendanukkah on Dec 4, 2009 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed, it's gotta be G

I think Cote d’Ivoire will get out of that group. E is intriguing too. After the Netherlands, you’ve got a decent Denmark team, an underrated Cameroon team, and Japan, who nobody has any idea about. I’ve already read a prediction for every single one of those teams advancing.

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by BK on Dec 4, 2009 9:46 PM EST up reply actions  

D is the most competitive group

Group G may be the group of death, but it also has a total shit team in it (North Korea) that has zero chance.

All four of the Group D teams have a legit chance at advancing. Even Germany will be tested.

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by cesarhernandez on Dec 4, 2009 2:20 PM EST reply actions  

Hopefully Germany is exhausted coming out of the group stage,

so when the US plays them in the round of 16 they can handle them.

It should also be interesting to see if Nigeria can slip past Greece for the second spot in group B.

On a personal note, I REALLY REALLY hope the US can at least get a draw against England, cause if they lose all my old friends from London are going to give me hell. If we can somehow beat them, I just might fly to London wearing an American flag bikini.

If I hear the word 'perky' again, I'll puke

by nycredsfan on Dec 4, 2009 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Michael Bradley, the central midfielder for the US, plays in Germany

I’d love to see him have a big tournament. He’ll be 23 that summer, and has the skill to be a vital player. Stuart Holden has shown a ton of progress as well, and might be a nice player. A midfield of Donovan-Jones-Bradley-Holden with Dempsey partnering Altidore up top would be interesting. Ricardo clark and Jose Francisco Torres on the bench.

by Brendanukkah on Dec 4, 2009 3:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Jose Francisco Torres is the Chris Dickerson of US soccer

"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san

by BK on Dec 4, 2009 9:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Also, Jerry Narron likes our chances against England

After all, we’re 1-0 against them all-time in the World Cup.

by Brendanukkah on Dec 4, 2009 3:04 PM EST up reply actions  

The moment of the day for me.

Was when the ESPN commentator says “My God, Welcome back to the World Cup North Korea”

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by chesirecat on Dec 4, 2009 2:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I realize it's mostly random

but PRK got screwed.

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by ZJiff30 on Dec 4, 2009 2:34 PM EST up reply actions  

John Harkes just did a full projection of the Cup

He has Uruguay going through to the semis…beating England in the quarters. The other soccer guys in studio are ripping him hard. Brazil-Spain was pick for final. Has U.S. losing to Germany in Round of 16.

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by cesarhernandez on Dec 4, 2009 3:00 PM EST reply actions  

Uruguay struggled to beat Costa Rica to qualify.

They’re a long shot to even make it out of the group. I do worry about Germany, but they’re a pretty similar team to England. If we can play Rooney & Co. well, then I’d like our chances against the Mannschaft (hee hee!).

by Brendanukkah on Dec 4, 2009 3:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Has there been any more discussion

about those annoying buzzing horn things?

Let me write out a formal proof for you.

by Gray on Dec 4, 2009 3:46 PM EST reply actions  

Vuvuzelas?

They’re going to be there. Hopefully they won’t be as loud in non-South Africa games.

by Brendanukkah on Dec 4, 2009 3:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Hopefully the TV feeds will just stop piping in

crowd noise. That rarely adds anything, anyway.

Let me write out a formal proof for you.

by Gray on Dec 4, 2009 4:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I think crowd noise in the World Cup is an exception

The cheering will be crazy, there will instruments like drums as well as the crappy vuvuzelas. English fans are known for their songs. Soccer atmospheres are one instance where I really like crowd noise. It can be a little more interesting than just a roar or chants of “U-S-A! U-S-A!”

by Brendanukkah on Dec 4, 2009 4:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I just wonder

if the drums, chants and songs will be very audible over the vuvuzelas. I mean, won’t the majority of the crowd be locals at all of the games?

I love all of the claims that getting rid of those would be getting rid of the Africanness of the games or something. It seems like African traditions would call for much more in the way of rhythm and song, rather than just a constant buzzing that any undeveloped culture could provide.

Let me write out a formal proof for you.

by Gray on Dec 4, 2009 8:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I could go for more crowd noise uin any baseball game that is annouced by tHom or clownboy

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by Madville on Dec 4, 2009 10:03 PM EST up reply actions  

did you see them at the Oregon-Oregon state game?

My God, I want to go to a game in Autzen one day.

"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander

by Cy Schourek on Dec 4, 2009 6:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Love the time for the England game

2:30 p.m. on Saturday June 12. The Slovenia and Algeria games will be at 10 a.m.

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by cesarhernandez on Dec 4, 2009 3:50 PM EST reply actions  

Rec'd

But then again, this should really be a main page story. HERE. :)

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by jch24 on Dec 4, 2009 5:59 PM EST up reply actions  

They're not even breathing hard

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by BubbaFan on Dec 4, 2009 6:14 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Nice link.

Let me write out a formal proof for you.

by Gray on Dec 4, 2009 8:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I do what I can

No idea how that didn’t work.

Here ya go.

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by jch24 on Dec 6, 2009 5:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I bet the Netherlands-Japan game will be the most entertaining of the group stage

I’m always a huge fan of ultra-nationalist countries where most of the team plays locally…they tend to be cohesive and have relatively unknown skill players. Plus, Nakamura would scare the holy hell out of me in a close game.

I wouldn’t bet on Nigeria getting too far, though. South Africans HATE Nigerians (Nigerian drug runners run the black market in most African countries), and I would expect that to show, and not in a civil, vevezuela, way, either.

All in all, I’d love for Ghana to make a run, and I’d like Argentina and France to be scary, as well. I’m a fan of Portugal as long as Simao is on their team (and I suppose BubbaFan is, too) and I’ll always, always, root for Het Oranje.

Anyone want to get a RR pool going come Spring?

"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander

by Cy Schourek on Dec 4, 2009 6:52 PM EST reply actions  

I hopped on the Chile bandwagon last summer

and I’m not getting off until those poor kids get raped as usual by Brazil in the round of 16.

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by chesirecat on Dec 5, 2009 3:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes, I'm already planning on putting one together

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by BK on Dec 5, 2009 1:22 PM EST up reply actions  

You're the man.

"If it wasn't this, it'd be something else."

by ZJiff30 on Dec 5, 2009 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

rec'd for somber truthiness

"If it wasn't this, it'd be something else."

by ZJiff30 on Dec 4, 2009 8:01 PM EST up reply actions  

The ESPN analyst pointed out

that at least they would get some cool jersey in exchange.

He did not point out that it would probably triple the number of shirts in the family.

Did you see what psycho Kim did to the currency this week? Unbelievable.

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by bbjones on Dec 5, 2009 1:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Meals for everyone!

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by Gray on Dec 4, 2009 8:12 PM EST up reply actions  

You left out the 'd'

geez Gray…

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by Madville on Dec 4, 2009 10:04 PM EST up reply actions  

well

So far, Grady Sizemore’s lawyers haven’t been very successful at scrubbing those pics off the web.

His girlfriend is indeed a Playboy Playmate; must be her in that photo on the mirror. She’s Brittany Binger, the pride of Bellevue, Ohio.

She says it’s a creepy stalker fan who stole the photos.

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by BubbaFan on Dec 4, 2009 8:38 PM EST reply actions  

North Korea's getting out of Group G.

I mean, did you see their qualification stats? Their striker, K. Jong-Il, scored 72 goals in their 16 qualifying matches. seventy fucking two<e/m>. I can’t belive I haven’t seen a feature on this guy on ESPN yet.

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by BLee2525 on Dec 4, 2009 9:53 PM EST reply actions  

Slash goes before the "e", dumbass.

Have a few more beers.

"Karma - there it was. The meaning of life, straight from Carson Daly's lips to my morphine-laced ears." -Earl Hickey

by BLee2525 on Dec 4, 2009 9:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm predicting a draw with England.

The logic goes something like this. A loss to USA would be devastating; England will play to be sure not to lose. A win is nice, but at least a draw is essential. Then, they figure they beat up on the other two and get through.

Similarly, the US would be thrilled to pull out a draw. A win is highly unlikely, but that extra point makes the other two games much less stressful.

Both teams playing for a draw, England hoping to get lucky, means either 0-0, or 1-0 England.

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by bbjones on Dec 5, 2009 1:44 AM EST reply actions  

conversely:

Englishmen are chinless pussies. we win.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 5, 2009 10:48 AM EST up reply actions  

wanna say that to my face?

If I hear the word 'perky' again, I'll puke

by nycredsfan on Dec 5, 2009 11:22 AM EST up reply actions  

That is such a bad photoshop

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by BK on Dec 5, 2009 11:31 AM EST up reply actions  

no kidding...

I could do much better, and I have no photoshop training.

"If it wasn't this, it'd be something else."

by ZJiff30 on Dec 5, 2009 11:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Translation:

Wah,Wah, Wah…he pushed me!

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Winston Churchill

by Madville on Dec 5, 2009 11:29 AM EST up reply actions  

AIG?

We pwn him!

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by BubbaFan on Dec 5, 2009 1:09 PM EST up reply actions  

heh

"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander

by Cy Schourek on Dec 5, 2009 3:57 PM EST up reply actions  

unless USA pulls an '02 Portugal or '09 Spain

comes out attacking and just scares the holy hell out of England. I can’t see them doing that without Davies (or Adu or Findlay) though

"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander

by Cy Schourek on Dec 5, 2009 3:57 PM EST up reply actions  

You know I'll always love soccer.

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by Madville on Dec 7, 2009 12:24 AM EST reply actions  

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