The Greatest Reds: #12 - #11
12. George Foster
| Played as Red | Primary Position | Career Rank | Peak Rank | Prime Rank |
| 1971-1981 | LF, CF, RF | 13 | 12 | 10 |
| Percent Breakdown of Value | Best Season | Best player on Reds | ||
| Hit | Field | Pitch | 1977 | 1977, 1978, 1981 |
| 88% | 12% | 0% | ||
| Awards/Honors as a Red | Leading the League | On the Reds Leaderboard | ||
| Most Valuable Player – 1977 All Star MVP – 1976 Silver Slugger – 1981 All Star – 1976, 1977, 1978, 1979, 1981 |
Runs Batted In – 1976, 1977, 1978 OPS – 1977 Runs Scored – 1977 Slugging Percentage – 1977 Home Runs – 1977, 1978 Total Bases – 1977 Extra Base Hits – 1977 At Bat / Home Run ratio – 1977, 1978 |
-3rd in career slugging percentage |
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George Foster, who ended up with nearly 350 home runs for his career (a mark which would have been a virtual certainty were it not for the 1981 strike), had but 27 career round trippers as he hit age 26. In fact, through his age 26 season, Foster was statistically most similar to…Candy Maldonado (ignore the fact that Maldonado’s career had not yet begun, please). Three years later, Foster’s numbers were more in line with Pops Stargell. Part of this was due to opportunity—Foster had been blocked by some pretty impressive names in the early part of his career: Bobby Bonds, Bobby Tolan, Pete Rose—but through the 1974 season, Foster’s career slugging percentage was just .394. Then, in 1975, Foster was played with increasing regularity and SOMETHING HAPPENED, and he was one of the game’s most devastating power hitters. What seems unusual is that even a couple years back (1973), Foster spent most of the year in AAA-ball, and wasn’t hitting for significant power there either (15 HR, .409 slugging percentage). Now, placed in the starting lineup of an offensive juggernaut, his slugging percentage at the MLB level jumped to .518, then .530, then blew completely off the charts in 1977 (.631). A couple of interesting notes on Foster’s career: 1) 1977 was the only season he scored at least 100 runs (and he led the league that year). He had some other top-10 finishes in this category, so perhaps it’s more a function of run-scoring environment, but this surprised me for some reason; 2) For all the power, his career high in walks was just 75, and he placed in the NL top-10 in this stat just twice. He was, however, a prodigious free-swinger, and routinely topped 120 K’s in a year; 3) In 76 post-season at-bats, Foster had but 5 extra base hits; 4) In a strike-shortened 1981, Foster had what was arguably his 2nd best year: 22 HR, 90 RBI, and a 150 OPS+ in just 108 games. And after that year, he was traded to the Mets for Greg Harris, Jim Kern, and Alex Trevino, who (in order): went on to have a pretty interesting career as a reliever, but not until leaving Cincy; had one decent season with the Reds, but was otherwise done; and had an OK career as a backup catcher, but was downright terrible in his 2+ seasons with the Reds. And, still, the trade didn’t turn out that bad. Foster signed a mammoth contract with the Mets that ultimately made him the highest paid player by 1986, but during his New York tenure, the bottom fell out of his batting average, the power was mediocre, and the defense got pretty bad. In other words, the greatness shut off almost as quickly as it turned on, but it fortunately lined up nicely with a bunch of other great hitters.
11. Bucky Walters
| Played as Red | Primary Position | Career Rank | Peak Rank | Prime Rank |
| 1938-1948 | SP | 12 | 4 | 8 |
| Percent Breakdown of Value | Best Season | Best player on Reds | ||
| Hit | Field | Pitch | 1939 | 1939, 1940, 1941, 1944 |
| 5% | 0% | 95% | ||
| Awards/Honors as a Red | Leading the League | On the Reds Leaderboard | ||
| Most Valuable Player – 1939 Triple Crown – 1939 All Star – 1939, 1940, 1941, 1942, 1944 |
ERA+ – 1939, 1940 ERA – 1939, 1940 Wins – 1939, 1940, 1944 WHIP – 1939, 1940 Strikeouts – 1939 Hits Per Inning – 1939, 1940, 1944 Innings Pitched – 1939, 1940, 1941 Complete Games – 1939, 1940, 1941 Games Started – 1939 |
-1st in career shutouts |
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Walters made his MLB debut in 1931 as a third baseman for the Braves. It was a September audition, and it did not go well. The following year a similar call-up was equally bad—in two cups of coffee he hit less than .200, something that presumably did not endear him to management. He was traded to a minor league club, hit really well, was purchased by the Red Sox…and was a marginal hitter at best. Purchased by the Phillies during the 1934 season, Walters remained a below average 3rd baseman, but the team gave him a couple of opportunities to pitch, and he did well, allowing just one earned run in seven innings. Over the next 3+ seasons, Walters was transformed into a full-time pitcher, and he was mediocre, sporting a 38-53 record and a 98 ERA+ for the Phils. The Reds traded for Walters—now 29 years of age and completely unaccomplished—sending a 33 year old catcher, a below average pitcher, and $50K cash in exchange. True to form, Walters finished his season with the Reds with a 98 ERA+. How to explain, then, what happened next: a triple crown season (led the league in wins, strikeouts, and ERA) en route to an MVP award and a spot in the World Series. And finally finding his missing hitting stroke, he contributed a .325 batting average to the cause as well. He missed repeating the triple crown feat by 22 strikeouts the following season. This two-year, out-of-nowhere, peak showed a cumulative record of 49-21 and a 2.38 ERA (161 ERA+) over 624 innings. The overnight sensation saved what was perhaps his best performance for the 1940 World Series. Given the ball in games 2 and 6, Walters in both instances took the mound with his team down by a game in the Series. He threw a complete game three-hitter in game 2 and a complete game shutout in game 6—a game in which he helped his own cause with a solo home run. Thereafter, Walters was never quite the same pitcher (how could he be?), but was definitely above-average, and the war years of 1944-45 were certainly kind to his stats (he finished 5th in 1944’s MVP vote). Despite the late start to Walters’s pitching career, he finished with over 3100 innings and 198 victories (160 of which were with the Reds).
The Top 15 Starting Pitchers in Reds history
- Bucky Walters
- Dolf Luque
- Eppa Rixey
- Frank Dwyer
- Noodles Hahn
- Paul Derringer
- Red Lucas
- Pete Donohue
- Bob Ewing
- Jim Maloney
- Billy Rhines
- Jose Rijo
- Tony Mullane
- Ted Breitenstein
- Joe Nuxhall
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That's weird
I never would have expected that Rolando Roomes would have ranked ahead of George Foster, but it looks like that’s what’s going to happen.
Definitely a good argument.
Very droll
Yeah, those guys and the Cincinnati Reds. They're a terrible football team. / Because they're a baseball team? / Exactly. You know who's the worst football team? The Philadelphia Flyers. - Best Show
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Dec 4, 2009 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
did i miss Mario Soto somewhere?
i thought he was good.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 4, 2009 12:12 PM EST reply actions
47th
He was good. Not Bucky Walters good, but he was good.
"If it wasn't this, it'd be something else."
Too bad he blew his arm out
after toiling for some really bad Reds teams. Awesome peak, tho.
My fantasy football team this year? Lippincott's Shorts
by cesarhernandez on Dec 4, 2009 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
Yup
forced him into that 4-man rotation…..he couldn’t do it.
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by cesarhernandez on Dec 4, 2009 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
"How much you wanna bet I can destroy Soto's arm?"
Chaim Mattis Keller New York City's # 1 Royals fan!
by cmkeller on Dec 4, 2009 12:55 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Once again
the entire list is available in the lower left side bar of the main page.
Definitely a good argument.
ahhh
i was reading the top 15 list that RF76 put at the bottom of the post.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 4, 2009 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
George Foster
was my favorite Red. Got a black bat and tried to mimic his batting stance….yeah that didn’t work out well for me.
My fantasy football team this year? Lippincott's Shorts
And I just heard the actual World Cup draw
isn’t until 2:45….so why in the heck does ESPN2 have 2 1/2 hours of filler until then?
/praying to be drawn with South Africa
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My bad....it's 12:45
not 2:45.
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by cesarhernandez on Dec 4, 2009 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
South Africa's in Group A
Stay tuned! Further updates as events warrant.
by Brendanukkah on Dec 4, 2009 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
Whenever I see Charlize Theron
Voices in my head sing, “Mr. F!”
by Brendanukkah on Dec 4, 2009 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
Have you seen her appearance
on Zack Galifianakis’ Between Two Ferns?
Yeah, those guys and the Cincinnati Reds. They're a terrible football team. / Because they're a baseball team? / Exactly. You know who's the worst football team? The Philadelphia Flyers. - Best Show
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Dec 4, 2009 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
And if the U.S. doesn't get South Africa
It’s OK. Don’t need to win the group….just finish second. I hope that second Euro team isn’t one of the top ones. I’m just worried about getting stuck with France or Portugal and one of the better African teams.
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by cesarhernandez on Dec 4, 2009 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
right now there's a lot of dancing and... um... touching.
Supposedly dancing. I just see a lot of boob and butt grabbing.
"If it wasn't this, it'd be something else."
Yeah I dug the bald chick
in the white dress. Good stuff! And now the “drawmaster” just kissed on Charlize
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by cesarhernandez on Dec 4, 2009 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
Hmm, I would settle for England
as a top seed in the U.S. group. They suck.
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Normally, yes
They’ve been pretty good this past year though.
by Brendanukkah on Dec 4, 2009 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
I'd want Italy
Though we might have to kill that traitor Rossi.
by Brendanukkah on Dec 4, 2009 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
did the Aussies not make it this time?
i always root for the Socceroos. i imagine a kangaroo wearing a jersey and no pants bouncing around with a soccer ball in it’s pouch. it’s so cute it always make me laugh!
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 4, 2009 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
They're in. Pot 2, same as the US
So we won’t be in the same group as Australia. New Zealand is also in. Their team name is the All-Whites. So, so racist.
All-Blacks, All-Whites
nice…
My fantasy football team this year? Lippincott's Shorts
by cesarhernandez on Dec 4, 2009 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
Look, New Zealand isn't very creative
They ripped off their country name from old Zealand. They ripped off their flag from Australia. Their national teams are all one color (and not even really colors, at that). What a bunch of sheep!
They still suck
Compared to most of those other top seeds.
My fantasy football team this year? Lippincott's Shorts
by cesarhernandez on Dec 4, 2009 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
as an aside
thanks guys for posting this stuff here. i cant find a good live feed for it here at work because in internet sucks.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 4, 2009 1:08 PM EST reply actions
I hate soccer but LOVE the word socceroos
Although it does give me images of ’nukkah kicking a ball around the house in only his Spider-Man undies. Ew.
"Santa Claus doesn't use Craigslist." -- 'tHan
I'll take it
Now we just hope that we don’t get France or Portugal in our group
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by cesarhernandez on Dec 4, 2009 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
Welcome back after 44 years, N. Korea!
You get to play Brazil!
"If it wasn't this, it'd be something else."
Nope... Nigeria's in B.
Can’t have 2 African teams in the same group.
"If it wasn't this, it'd be something else."
Except for that whole pesky "only 2 teams advance out of group stage" part.
"If it wasn't this, it'd be something else."
wow
how does Mexico get such a soft draw?
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 4, 2009 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
Mostly because the host nation gets a soft group
No host nation has ever failed to make it out of group play. But it happens that this host nation has a pretty damn shitty team. Mexico just got the fantastic luck to be drawn into their group.
so the draws are random?
beyond the seeded teams, of course?
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 4, 2009 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
Pretty much
The countries are divided into four pots. One pot for the seeded teams, and the rest are split up by region. No group can have more than one team per region, except for Europe, and they get a maximum of two per region.
Hopefully that group
will get balanced out by France or Portugal
My fantasy football team this year? Lippincott's Shorts
by cesarhernandez on Dec 4, 2009 1:19 PM EST up reply actions
I hope Mexico gets France
See how they deal with the Hand of Henry.
"If it wasn't this, it'd be something else."
Pardon me, but
What the fuck does this have to do with George Foster and/or Bucky Walters?
Seriously. Create a fanpost or something.
"You never know how you look through other people's eyes"
My bad
I was going to, but then I thought only BK and I would have interest. And then I let this snowball. Sorry sid. Really.
Don't apologize to me
Apologize to riverfront. He obviously put alot of work into this project, and all you guys can do is talk about a tournament draw to an entirely different sport – 80+ posts so far.
"You never know how you look through other people's eyes"
My first foul ball
came off the bat of George Foster…It plopped right into my grandpa’s lap. Gave me the ball!
My fantasy football team this year? Lippincott's Shorts
by cesarhernandez on Dec 4, 2009 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
We saw George at Redsfest last year
Seemed like a REALLY nice guy.
"Santa Claus doesn't use Craigslist." -- 'tHan
OK everyone, I'm gonna make up a FanShot with the groups
Let’s move all soccer talk over there, if you want to continue.
Sorry, riverfront.
We do appreciate all your work. And I’m constantly surprised by how many good Reds I’ve missed on this journey. Looking forward to how the Top 10 shake out.
"If it wasn't this, it'd be something else."
No worries
I’m a USMNT fan as well, and didn’t take offense at the wandering comments…
Wandering is kind of the nature of this site
For every great conversation like in the Jocketty thread, there’s at least five wildly off-topic ones like this. Again, this series you’re doing on the 100 greatest Reds is one of the best things that’s been on this site in a long time. Kudos.
Ya know what sucks?
The Reds have won 3 World Series and lost 2 others since I was old enough to follow them; one of those teams is among the 5 best baseball teams of all time. They’ve won 52% of their games in that time, with more winning seasons (21) than losers (18, with one .500 season).
In those 40 seasons, a third of the time this team has been in Major League Baseball, with all of that success, I watched one of the top 15 pitchers in team history. One. And he’s only #12.
"You never know how you look through other people's eyes"
I was almost 7 when the Reds won the 1990 series.
which may explain why I thought, until I was almost 16, Jose Rijo was the best pitcher ever to play for the Reds.
"If it wasn't this, it'd be something else."
i was just thinking that about myself
Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.
George Foster has been and will always be in my top 5 fav Reds ever.
I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly.
Winston Churchill
This has nothing to do with the World Cup drawing
Start a fanshot if you want to talk about Reds baseball.
by Brian B on Dec 4, 2009 4:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 3 recs
The FanShot bit is all I got anymore.
by Brian B on Dec 4, 2009 8:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
worst comments ever
i was expecting a ton of good baseball talk upon returning home after shattering my blackberry. failhorn.
"Nate Silver is a genius" .... BK
BTW obc, and anyone else who is interested
The final installment of Men and Their Balls is now published in Sompething for anroidmachinehead
I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly.
Winston Churchill
Walters is a fascinating guy
His grandson runs a website that discusses Bucky’s career. Among some of the trivia: Walters recorded the first televised win (August 26th, 1939) and once stole home (April 20th,1946). The grandson also says that Walters “umpired a major league game (July 10th, 1947) as a player.” Sounds like a Pete Rose wet dream.
Eric Seidman of THT wrote a long article about Walters last year that’s worth a read. Apparently Commissioner Landis nixed the Walters trade to Cincy at first but it was eventually approved – in between the Vander Meer no-no’s. Walters also started the game that eventually resulted in Willard Hershberger’s suicide (I believe the only player in-season suicide in MLB history).
On July 31, Bucky had a 4-1 lead against New York, in the ninth, with two outs, when the game was blown. Despite getting two strikes on four consecutive batters he surrendered two two-run homers to Harry Danning and Burgess Whitehead. Though "just another game" at the time, it proved to be much more meaningful no more than one month later. In blaming himself for calling the wrong pitches, backup catcher Willard Hershberger slit his throat on Aug. 3. Devastated, Bucky never spoke of this, though it was evident he never truly recovered from its impact, even after his career had ended.
Seidman is supposedly writing a book about Walters as well.
by ken on Dec 5, 2009 1:27 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I'd never heard of this...
That’s tragic.
And I’m fascinated by the circumstances that led to Walters umpiring a major league game. Good work, kenny!
(not to ignore your work, riverfront. this has been SO much fun— until the kids on this site say they never heard of a pitcher before Rijo)
"Whether you like it or not, history is on our side. We will bury you!"
by "Red" Moskau on Dec 5, 2009 10:00 PM EST up reply actions
Roid boy!
Seriously, if Foster’s turnaround had happened in 1998, we would have called him Sammy Sosa.
It means one of two things:
1) Guys were ‘roiding back then too. Don’t know if they had the technology or not for that.
2) Sometimes, guys just get better, even when they aren’t on the juice. Which is bad news for guys who just get better now, because no one will believe they aren’t on the juice.
"The USA despite its flaws and corruption and overall messiness is still a great and powerful instrument of freedom and hope for the entire world." - Madville
I refuse to beliee that George Foster would have been on HGH or any other such substance.
If ever there was (is) a guy who is true to fairness and following the rules..its George.
Foster is a gentle man who grew up in San Francisco (Oakland?) and took care of his single mom. Read his biography it is amazing.
I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly.
Winston Churchill
you are most likely entirely correct
i think the interesting thing is that back in the pre-steroid days, some players just “had the light bulb go on” and transformed into something different, from one season to the next. Not very often, but sometimes.
Today, EVERY time that happens, the strong suspicion will be that it is chemically induced. And, if the above is true, for some of those guys, it really isn’t. But no one will believe that.
"The USA despite its flaws and corruption and overall messiness is still a great and powerful instrument of freedom and hope for the entire world." - Madville
Many of the Steelers from the 70's
have admitted to using steroids. So, when were the “pre-steroid days”?
The man who will one day be President is, at this moment, lying in his cradle, trying to find some strategic way to get his big toe in his mouth.
-Mark Twain

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