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I'm teaching a "science of baseball" class in the spring and am requesting advice while generating a topic/reading list.

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Science of baseball?

Nerd!!!!!

(ahem, where do I sign up for the class?)

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by Slyde on Dec 17, 2009 11:34 AM EST reply actions  

invite them here

we got plenty of critical.

"The USA despite its flaws and corruption and overall messiness is still a great and powerful instrument of freedom and hope for the entire world." - Madville

by bbjones on Dec 17, 2009 9:32 PM EST up reply actions  

You should assign them every podcast between Bill Simmons and JackO (like I am currently listening to)

Apparently now that Roy Halladay is in the NL, he’s going to post a -2.00 ERA. Just as Johan Santana has done.

by Brendanukkah on Dec 17, 2009 11:43 AM EST reply actions  

Especially in that stadium!

Stick to basketball and The Hills, Bill.

by ken on Dec 17, 2009 1:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Might be interesting to find some of the

pitching theories of Mike Marshall. Maybe delve into the Bob Feller and Nolan Ryan issues with pitchers throwing every day and the like.

We Are ... Marshall!

by Thundering Turtle on Dec 17, 2009 11:50 AM EST reply actions  

Mike Marshall

The problem with his stuff is we’re basically working with an n=2 here, right? Marshall plus his one prodigee?

I haven’t looked much at the exercise phys literature, though, maybe there’s cool stuff on limb stress. There was that cool curveball/fastball article that came out pretty recently, though, I should find that one.
-j

by JinAZ on Dec 17, 2009 1:18 PM EST up reply actions  

n=3

Marshall, his protege, and some bitchin’ facial hair

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by Cy Schourek on Dec 17, 2009 6:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I love this idea.

My suggestion is less scientific than most of what you already had, but since you raised the idea of myth, legend, and tradition in your course description, I would find it interesting to track the development of baseball writing in contributing to said myth, legend, tradition. That is, how has the long history of baseball writing, especially prior to television, contributed to the development of current standard practices or entrenched ideas in baseball?

by ben nevis on Dec 17, 2009 11:53 AM EST reply actions  

Myth seems especially important to Negro League history,

given the scarcity of records. Comparing myth/legends of the Negro Leagues to MLB at the same time could be interesting. It would at least be a good excuse to bring up the “Cool Papa Bell was so fast …” jokes.

by ken on Dec 17, 2009 1:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I think this is a nice idea

But I don’t think it fits as well with the class. For one thing, I don’t have a clue how to run that kind of discussion because I haven’t taken a class that asks questions like that in years, if ever. :)
-j

by JinAZ on Dec 17, 2009 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

J,

you sir, are living the dream. if you need a TA or something to help grade papers you have my email.

can you tell im only half-joking?

"Everything you are doing is bad. I want you to know this."

by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 17, 2009 12:10 PM EST reply actions  

I know, I can barely contain myself

Since I’m teaching it on overload, I’m actually getting paid extra to do this. Overloads are calculated as a % of pay, and a % of nothing is just a fraction of nothing. But still.
-j

by JinAZ on Dec 17, 2009 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

There are a number of Physics of Baseball sources out there on iTunes and YouTube that are tasty.

This one discusses bats.

Beyond that, I suggest as many guest speakers as you can schedule. Big time baseball nerds will go out of their way to help you, even driving in from a nearby university. Guest speakers break things up in interesting, credible, memorable ways, for my money.

Give me a lineup of 9 Ryan Freels, and I'll show you a team that can't pitch.

by PeteyHendrix on Dec 17, 2009 12:38 PM EST reply actions  

Completely agree on speakers

I have preliminary agreements from Dan Fox of the Pirates (and formerly BPro) and Eric Seidman (of BPro) to come and make some sort of appearance/talk. I’m also planning to hit up Shane Jensen at UPenn soon (he’s the guy who developed the SAFE fielding system). I have a few other ideas as well, but I’m open to suggestions.

Unfortunately, I haven’t yet been able to secure any honorarium funding as of yet. Not completely impossible, maybe, but not available yet.
-j

by JinAZ on Dec 17, 2009 1:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Steroids

I haven’t read it, but Will Carroll’s The Juice: The Real Story of Baseball’s Drug Problems might be good reading material to answer the “how effective are steroids” question.

by ken on Dec 17, 2009 1:18 PM EST reply actions  

Good point

I don’t have that one. I may try to get it…I supposedly have some amazon money coming.
-j

by JinAZ on Dec 17, 2009 1:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Highly recommend The Juice

Really in-depth, sober look at the steroid/performance enhancer culture without all the media hysteria.

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by cesarhernandez on Dec 17, 2009 7:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Good data, though?

It’s a tough nut to crack because we don’t have a control group. The Steroid era happens to also be right around the peak of an offensive era which, especially last year, is declining back down toward average now. But it’s hard to know causality there.

I’ll see if I can get it, though. It’s a topic that I think would be very stimulating for discussion, so I’d really like to do it.
-j

by JinAZ on Dec 17, 2009 9:07 PM EST up reply actions  

That Fox Sports show might be good

They have tons of youtube videos online. (what’s it called again? they always advertise it on reds games.)

by Daedalus on Dec 17, 2009 1:23 PM EST reply actions  

Sports Science?

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by Farneyismycopilot on Dec 17, 2009 1:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Voros McCracken

You might do something on at least the story of Voros McCracken. Proud to say that I read Neyer’s article the day it came out.

Aside from the impact on DiPS, FIP, and BABIP, it’s an interesting story, right? The quintessential guy in his mom’s basement dorking around on a computer posts something. It gets picked up by ESPN (granted, Neyer was out there for ESPN at the time), and in a few years this guy is working for a Major League team. To me, that’s an important part of the social story of sabermetrics.

It was this idea — that a nobody could suddenly rise to the top — that engendered, IMHO, a lot of the sabermetric antipathy among “baseball men.” It wasn’t that they had anything against numbers per se. It was that someone could come out of the blue and take away their job.

"The USA despite its flaws and corruption and overall messiness is still a great and powerful instrument of freedom and hope for the entire world." - Madville

by bbjones on Dec 17, 2009 2:51 PM EST reply actions  

Great points

We have, right there, a fabulous discussion point on the scouts vs. stats topic. Thanks.
-j

by JinAZ on Dec 17, 2009 9:10 PM EST up reply actions  

My wife took an upper level physics course in college titled "The Physics of Baseball"

there was a fair amount of material about how the ball is made to curve and drop etc..technical stuff about gravity and ari pressure etc. Also a good amount of material on the physics of hitting – what happens to the baseball when its hit and where on the bat etc.

I am scientifically challenged so I don’t know the specifics..but there is a lot of information available about baseball and physics.

There is an overriding misconception that Clutch is an overriding misconception.

by Madville on Dec 17, 2009 5:23 PM EST reply actions  

I've assigned a book by the same name by Robert Adair

It’s a pretty readable treatment of a lot of those issues. I have a basic background in undergraduate physics, and I know some optics, but I’m no physicist either. We may end having to pull some of the physical-types in to the class to explain some of this stuff. :)
-j

by JinAZ on Dec 17, 2009 9:15 PM EST up reply actions  

you'd never know it from my idiotic comments

but I got a phd in physics. I’ve got Adair’s book, and I’ve read it a couple of times. It’s all pretty good — the trickiest part is the Magnus effect. The thing that gets me about it is that it seems a curve ball breaks in the opposite direction from a ping-pong ball.

I’ll read Chapter 2 again and see if I can get it straightened out. I’m in California, so I don’t think I’ll be able to drop in to your class, but I’m happy to consult if it’s useful.

"The USA despite its flaws and corruption and overall messiness is still a great and powerful instrument of freedom and hope for the entire world." - Madville

by bbjones on Dec 17, 2009 9:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks, that might be helpful

Like a lot of small schools, we don’t actually have a physics department…or even a true physics professor on staff.
-j

by JinAZ on Dec 17, 2009 9:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey you could do a video lecture...

Then JinAZ could put it on you-tube and JCH could transfer it RR…
then andromache could explain it all to me.

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by Madville on Dec 17, 2009 10:07 PM EST up reply actions  

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