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hmm...

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wonder if he can play left field? could take over at 3b once rolen's contract is up. nice powerful right handed bat. hes a 20 hr 85 rbi bat in a pathetic padres lineup with no protection, and hitting in that ballpark. imagine him in GABP?

id imagine he might be ok in left... and after rolens contract is up he is a near gold glove fielder at 3b. i think he set the single season record for fielding percentage for the padres this year although he has average range.

he is very consistent, and has been a 2.7 WAR player the last 3 seasons.

once again, this is because im very bored. hopefully walt will figure somehthing out to excite me a little.

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kouz's OBP...

just realized how terrible his OBP is… damn. at least he cut down big time on strikeouts this past season.. id still take a shot at him since he wouldnt exactly be setting the table for anyone, he would probably hit 6th. hes also still young and if we could teach him to take some more walks maybe he could pan out.

by reds2010 on Dec 10, 2009 6:01 AM EST reply actions  

I don't think he would even be an average player in LF

moving from 3B to LF, he would take a big positional adjustment hit, so he’d automatically be starting below his current WAR levels. Then, there would be some adjustment to playing LF, I’m sure, which means that much of his defensive value would be gone as well. Since his bat isn’t all that good, especially for LF, I think trading for him and them playing him in LF would be a mistake and would be a sure sign that they don’t plan to compete in 2010.

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by Slyde on Dec 10, 2009 7:19 AM EST reply actions  

This coming from a guy that's endorsing Frazier for president in 2012.

But I would rather ask Tunces the driving cat to drop me off at work than have this smuck in LF. Heisey/Fransisco Platoon FTW. Dickerson in RF, Since Gomes isn’t coming back. Frazier can backup Sutton/Rosales, outside of SS.

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by Excalib8 on Dec 10, 2009 7:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Dickerson in RF?

Bruce on the bench?

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by Slyde on Dec 10, 2009 8:53 AM EST up reply actions  

no stupid

remember, Bruce and Votto went to the Angels for Izturis.

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by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 10, 2009 9:46 AM EST up reply actions  

sorry, this is why I can't be a GM

I can’t keep any of this stuff straight.

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by Slyde on Dec 10, 2009 9:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah.... THIS is why you can't be a GM. Right.

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by BK on Dec 10, 2009 11:03 AM EST up reply actions  

the real reason

is b/c he’s addicted to captain and diets. name one successful gm who sips that drink.

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by obc2 on Dec 10, 2009 9:34 PM EST up reply actions  

"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san

by BK on Dec 10, 2009 10:26 PM EST up reply actions  

one playoff apperance in 16 seasons with playoffs=sucess

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by justin007000 on Dec 10, 2009 11:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow at first I thought this wqs a picture of a young Jimmy carter

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by Madville on Dec 10, 2009 11:11 PM EST up reply actions  

No, it's because you can't assemble the entire staff in your basement

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by "Red" Moskau on Dec 10, 2009 1:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Bruce on the bench, b/c....

Pierre is in LF, Taveras is in CF, and now Dickerson is in RF

And of course Nix also on the bench with Bruce, just cuz

by Highlifeman21 on Dec 10, 2009 12:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Did Jay Bruce pay you mods off?

There’s an excellent chance he might bomb in 2010. Remember when we all agreed he had to earn that position in ST? Same argument, Only now he hasn’t played a bit of Dominican like he proposed in the first place. If he wants to be on a major leauge team, He’s got to earn it. Is there some sort of numerology that supports his reign in RF? Maybe he was born under the same planet/star as the toothpick grinder?

Dickerson has earned his roster spot. We all know that T-Virus is going to split time in CF with that guy named after a BBQ sauce. Unless someone gets hurt, hes going to play corner OF.

How many candidates have we discussed on here for LF? I honestly cannot remember them all. (Nix, Gomes, Frazier, Heisey, Fransisco, Dickerson, Rosales, Sutton, Owings) Ok those last two are reaching a little far. But my point is, Unless we have another excuse of a year, only a few players are going to play that position. And Dickerson has to go somewhere. He has said himself he would play RF if they wanted him to.

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by Excalib8 on Dec 10, 2009 3:02 PM EST up reply actions  

22-year old Jay Bruce - 2009 OPS: .773

27-year old Chris Dickerson – 2009 OPS: .743

I love Dickerson as much as anybody, but it’s ludicrous to think that he should start over Bruce. And I don’t remember us all agreeing that he had to earn the position in ST. In fact, I think the very idea of earning anything in ST is dumb. That’s the worst time to decide a position because it’s not real baseball.

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by Slyde on Dec 10, 2009 3:13 PM EST up reply actions  

.370/.373/.275

or

.303/.470/.223

Bruce had his chance to put this argument 6 feet under last year. If it wasnt for his ability to hit for power, he wouldn’t even be in contention. If someone isn’t dedicated to the task at hand, It doesn’t matter how much everyone else wants them to succeed. Dickerson WILL save the planet from bio-degraders and and WILL be in the OF in 2010.

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by Excalib8 on Dec 10, 2009 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

not to mention an unbelievable overall talent

he’ll be 23 next year. he absolutely destroyed the minor leagues, at every level, like few players ever have, and all while being very young relative to the league. everyone knows Bruce is an incredible talent. it’s not hyperbolic to say that he could be a HOFer when all is said and done, he has that kind of talent. one would have to be obtusely myopic to not see this.

so yeah, Bruce will start in RF. the Reds have done some frustrating things in the past few years, but they arent so stupid as to underestimate Jay Bruce.

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by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 10, 2009 4:29 PM EST up reply actions  

chad mottola was an unbelievable talent

as was Duane Walker, Tracy Jones and Paul Householder.

damn, thats a lotta caucasian unbelievable talent!

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by obc2 on Dec 10, 2009 9:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I disprove of their talent.

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by ZJiff30 on Dec 11, 2009 1:07 PM EST up reply actions  

So unbelievable

that I still don’t believe it.

I advocated in the late 1980’s that Tracy Jones was the better choice than Paul O’Neill in RF. Cuz Paul can’t hit lefties, you know.

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by PeteyHendrix on Dec 11, 2009 1:35 PM EST up reply actions  

oh man, dickerson over bruce? you crazy son

aside from all the other reasons listed already, the simple down home fact is that the Reds offense will go no-where in the coming years of Bruce doesn’t figure out the majors, he is probably the single most important piece to the Reds improving on any of their past few years. given that, you pretty much put him in RF and just live with whatever struggles he has, he has nowhere to go but up. I like dickerson, but he is not a starting OF. a plus 4th maybe, but not a starter-type.

by sharks on Dec 11, 2009 5:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Maybe Bruce turns out to be Larry Walker.

Maybe he turns out to be Roger Freed. Maybe he turns out to be Jeremy Hermida.

While Dickerson is a lot better big leaguer than was Freed, and so far is better than Hermida, we all know he’s not going to be Walker. That’s enough reason for the Reds to put Bricein right field every day and offer him the opportunity to show what kind of player he’s going to be.

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by Thundering Turtle on Dec 11, 2009 3:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Bruce in

Stupid autospell. Stupid Turtle.

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by Thundering Turtle on Dec 11, 2009 3:23 PM EST up reply actions  

He may turn out to be Jay Bruce

SuperStudstarguy.

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by Madville on Dec 11, 2009 6:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Slyde's got it.

Although I still think Dickerson gets a little too much love here. While he may play excellent defense, he can’t hit lefties, and hits righties WEAKLY (.763).

A .743 OPS is below league average for a starting outfielder. In CF, MLB average starters come in around .780, and corner OF starters average around .830. I don’t get how Dickerson is acceptable as an offensive weapon, even as part of a platoon.

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by PeteyHendrix on Dec 10, 2009 3:41 PM EST up reply actions  

A few things

Where did you get your positional starter splits? Honestly, I’m not even sure what they mean. Why do only starters matter? And what makes one a starter? Is it players who started regularly, or literally just the player that started the game at that position? Surely late inning replacements don’t bring each position down 30-40 points in OPS.

The only thing I like about Dickerson offensively is that he can get on base, but honestly, that’s enough. His career minor league OPS is .363. In the big leagues it’s .383, though we’re definitely at the point where we still weight the minors heavily (he’s only had 421 big league PA).

As for his lefty-righty splits. No, he doesn’t hit lefties, but in the Majors he’s hit .288/.387/.458 against RHP and in the minors he hit .272/.365/.462. Larry Bird is not coming through that door, so of the players we have, I think there is definitely a role for Dickerson and he should see some significant playing time. Outside of Votto and Rolen, nobody else on this team can get on base near the levels that CDick has shown.

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by Slyde on Dec 10, 2009 4:37 PM EST up reply actions  

jinx

buy me some coke

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by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 10, 2009 4:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Here's the scoop:

When citing Dickerson’s stats, I was using his 2009 stats, discounting the AB’s he had in 2008 in his late-season call-up. I prolly shouldn’t have done dat, but I also see a full year with the big club (injuries aside) as a better sample of his quality.

As for the OPS numbers, I’m going to re-run the numbers sometime this winter and give them their own FanShot, but here’s my methodology/philosophy:

When determining your starting lineup, and whom you should acquire for said job, the league averages are not relevant in their entirety, as the numbers are diluted by the call-ups, defensive replacements, and bench scrubs. I do not feel that it’s entirely relevant to compare Adam Dunn’s offensive numbers, for instance, to the league average within the discussion of who will be in your daily lineup, especially when that league average includes EVERYONE who ever put on a glove in the outfield that year. Laynce Nix is not the standard for MLB starting outfielders…he’s weaker than that. What is most relevant, if you buy into my methodology/philosophy, is how Adam Dunn compares to the 60 starting corner outfielders in MLB. It doesn’t matter much to me how much better Adam Dunn is vs. Laynce Nix, but it is highly relevant to me how El Burro compares to Vlad Guerrero.

That said, mid-season this past year I ran the numbers of “starting” position players since the beginning of 2001 (looking for a large, relevant sample size). I defined starters as those players who qualified for leaderboard stats, i.e. 502 PA/year. I lowered the bar for catchers to 350 PA, as this gave me roughly the same number of catchers as other positions, which I find to be a valid adjustment.

I then took each SEASON of a qualifying position player and created a spreadsheet that listed the OPS stats for each qualifying season. So if 26 players qualified for the batting title at a given position, I’d enter each of those 26 OPS averages into a column for that position for that year. (I lumped corner outfielders together, as I found no significant difference between RF & LF offensive numbers.) And then I entered in the next year’s stats in the same way, and so on. Some seasons had more qualifiers than others, of course, due to injuries and significant whatnot. :P

What I found was that the numbers held pretty true over the decade. Here are the “starting position players” average OPS that I found:

C 758
1B 865
2B 770
SS 739
3B 803
RF/LF 826
CF 780
DH 911

So when I evaluate players specifically in a starting capacity, I look to these offensive benchmarks rather than to “league averages” in making my judgments (along with tons of other stats, as we all do). But I find that these averages are highly useful in evaluating talent, and much more-so than using offensive averages by league or position, because those numbers include Juan Castro’s offensive stats, and no one wants to judge much of anything by that Oro Standard.

You may now rip apart my methodology or philosophy, and/or you can constructively suggest how I might fine-tune these numbers before I run them again soon. You are also welcome to say, “Hey, that’s kinda interesting, and a helpful way to look at things.” I don’t expect that here, but it’s an option for you. :)

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by PeteyHendrix on Dec 10, 2009 6:34 PM EST up reply actions  

hey, that's kinda interesting

and a helpful way to look at things :)

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by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 10, 2009 8:27 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

rec'd

I honestly didn’t expect that. Which makes me a dummy. :P

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by PeteyHendrix on Dec 11, 2009 1:07 AM EST up reply actions  

I like the idea

of segregating starting stats from cups of coffee and what not.

by ol Pete on Dec 11, 2009 9:37 AM EST up reply actions  

I didn't want to seem like a "Nuh uh" jerk, so I held off for a few hours

but let me express my concerns with this method. Limiting the data the way that you have throws a couple of red flags for me:
1. In 2009, there were 37 players in the majors who qualified for the batting title and played at least 50% of their games in either LF or RF. That means that there are 23 spots for starters that aren’t being accounted for. This naturally leads to some selection bias, especially at offensive oriented positions because players that aren’t performing to expectations are typically platooned or benched.

2. Outliers can throw off your numbers dramatically. For instance, in 2009, there were 23 firstbasemen that met your criteria with an average OPS of .895 in the group. Take Pujols out of the equation (imagine he was hurt and didn’t meet the minimum criteria) and the average OPS drops to .885. Still impressive, but for only removing one player a 10 point drop seems pretty dramatic.

3. The overriding concern is that by looking at only starters who have reached a certain number of PA, you are moving away from the idea of freely available talent. Sure it’d be nice to have Bobby Abreu or Carlos Lee to play in a corner OF spot (they were right about average by your method last year), but those guys or players like them aren’t just sitting out there for the taking. You may not want to drop the expectations all the way down to replacement level, but you can’t ignore the reality that most teams have to play their best available guy at a position simply because of the limitations of the system.

For what it’s worth, I ran the positional OPS for each position strictly looking at numbers for the players that actually started the game (2009 only) and this is what I got:
C: .716
1B: .844
2B: .753
3B: .758
SS: .720
LF: .786
CF: .749
RF: .792

All of the positions are basically the same as their overall positional average, as we would expect. I understand trying to remove the scrubs from the numbers, but I don’t think you can eliminate them completely. Some “scrubs” are actually starters who don’t get to play everyday.

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by Slyde on Dec 11, 2009 10:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Here's my take on your concerns:

1. While it is true that not every team has a player qualify for the batting title at each position, the reasons seem to me to fall into the categories of:

- INJURIES – My decade-long sample alleviates this concern for me, and effectively takes out partial seasons from injured players, which is useful in that a starter’s stats are often deformed by playing through that injury, adjusting to compensate for an injury, or simply brushing off the rust upon their return.

- PLATOONERS/SCRUBS – My methodology effectively eliminates these players. Remember that my goal here is solely to achieve another metric from which to judge players that are being considered for STARTING positions, not for platoon nor role players.

2. Outliers can throw off stats over time, it is true. That’s why my sample size is over a decade, not a single year as you have done.

3. Again, please remember that my goal here is solely to achieve another metric from which to judge players that are being considered for STARTING positions, not for platoon nor role players. If you’re looking at a candidate to be your everyday starter, the platooners’ stats are irrelevant. I find your inclusion of them to be lowering the bar beyond the purpose of this metric. Yes, Bobby Abreu is not available each year for each team. But if you’re looking at a Laynce Nix-level player as your everyday solution, or are constructing a platoon at a given position, you’re not really looking for an evertyday starting position player to help your team, but rather you are “getting by” (see Reds 2000-2009). That is not the purpose of my metric. I find folly in your argument that “Some "scrubs" are actually starters who don’t get to play everyday.” If they are not everyday starters, then their stats are excluded purposefully in my methodology because they are not relevant to the purpose of the metric.

I do not find your inclusion of non-starters in the numbers you ran helpful within context because it includes the games started by Craig Tatum and Juan Castro. My metric is used “When determining your starting lineup, and whom you should acquire for said job.” No one wants Craig Tatum as their starting anything, so his stats are not relevant here.

Now I DO find this metric helpful elsewhere, such as with determining the value of Laynce Nix as a starting option. If you look at Laynce Nix as a candidate to start for your team because, let’s say, you’re the Pittsburgh Pirates, and “getting by” is what you do instead of player acquisition. Well, if you want to know the value drop-off between a starting outfielder in MLB and Mr. Nix, I find that WAR and my OPS/Pos metric are some very useful tools.

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by PeteyHendrix on Dec 11, 2009 1:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I still think you are overestimating the offensive output of each position

I understand what you are trying to do. I just don’t think what you are doing is a valid approach. I get that you want to eliminate the Craig Tatum’s and Juan Castros, but you are also eliminating the Jay Bruces, Willy Taverases, JJ Hardys, Andrew McCutchens, and Manny Ramirezes.

Maybe what you need to do is lower your PA level. In general, crappy players aren’t going to get more than 300 PA (unless you play CF for the Reds). I still think you need to consider players like Taveras and Hardy as starters. They were, but they played themselves out of the position. Otherwise, I think you are overstating your numbers.

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by Slyde on Dec 11, 2009 3:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I disagree.

I find your philosophy of creating a larger sample size by including part-timers to be invalid in the context of this metric’s purpose: evaluating a player’s offensive output within the context of your need to plug him in your everyday lineup.

Manny’s other 9 seasons in the last decade WOULD be part of my sample, so his everyday starting talents would not be discarded because my sample size is so much larger than one season. In judging Manny’s talents as a starting corner outfielder, one would be foolish to judge him by a single partial season’s stats instead of his last decade of productivity. The larger the relevant sample size, the truer the results of the metric.

When players play every day, they get to the 502 PA benchmark more often than not. If they fail to reach that plateau, then they don’t qualify as starting position players, or are injured/suspended part of the year, thereby making their seasonal averages from such a small sample size (within the context of a single season) that those exceptions to the norm should be discarded in favor of the seasons in which they DO play every day. You can argue to lower the bar beyond that to 400 PA’s or even 300 PA’s, but would you be happy going into a season knowing your everyday player was only going to get 400 PA’s? That doesn’t sound like a lineup solution to me, it sounds like a player-personnel problem that will leave your team hamstrung for around 40 games, which takes us away from the purpose of this analytical pursuit.

The reason that Jay Bruce, along with guys like Willy, don’t meet that standard in 2009 is that for justifiable reasons, they were not everyday starters that year.

For Bruce, it was that he was injured a good portion of the year.

For JJ Hardy, it was that he was out of the lineup for 5 different stretches of time last year with injuries to his back and shoulder, and spent part of the year in AAA (due to demotion, not injury). If a player is injured and demoted during the year, causing him to not qualify for my standards, then he is, by definition, not an everyday starter that year.

I’m throwing out partial seasons because they skew the numbers unhelpfully. In persuing/evaluating starting shortstops, I do not find JJ Hardy’s 2009 numbers valid for statistical analysis in this context. When looking at a everyday starting SS for the upcoming year, I find it far more valid to look at what everyday starting shortstops produce, on average. I don’t find including JJ’s 2009 in this sample as helpful, whereas he WAS the starting SS in 2007 & 2008, which are included in my study.

Willy is not everyday starter quality, and THAT’s why he only played in 102 games, and THAT’s why he is not a suitable benchmark for comparing starting outfielders. If you’re using Willy as your benchmark for starting CF’ers, your analysis will not be fruitful, because he sucks out loud and should have never started more than 20 G for the Reds.

You’d prefer a larger sample of player’s stats that are from players who are not everyday solutions for a team. I do not find your suggestion helpful for valid analysis. You are lowering the qualifying bar beyond the purpose of the study. In judging a starting SS’s quality of offense, comparing him to platoon/part-time players may be what you would prefer, but I wholeheartedly disagree on your proposal’s validity. In the context of evaluating a player you want to plug in your lineup everyday, you want to measure his worth against the other teams’ starting lineups, not against whom they have on the bench.

That discussion aside, I like that these OPS/pos numbers show the difference in skills sets between corner outfielders vs. center fielders: Corner outfielders tend to produce a margin of around +5.9% higher OPS (5.3% in Slyde’s analysis). That’s helpful to know when your team might not have enough offense, and you are discussing moving a CF-offensive-quality player to a corner OF spot, ala C-Dick.

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by PeteyHendrix on Dec 11, 2009 4:15 PM EST up reply actions  

This is where I disagree with you
but would you be happy going into a season knowing your everyday player was only going to get 400 PA’s? That doesn’t sound like a lineup solution to me, it sounds like a player-personnel problem that will leave your team hamstrung for around 40 games, which takes us away from the purpose of this analytical pursuit.

Teams plan for this kind of stuff all of the time. If I can get 400 PA of .850 OPS, that’s better than 500 PA of .800 OPS, isn’t it? Even if I have to make up the extra ABs with .700 OPS, I believe, though am not certain, that the 400+100 players are more valuable offensively (if we were using wOBA, I could be much more certain. Stupid non-linear OPS).

Your sample shows that teams make due with everyday starters at 2/3rds of the positions all of the time. While it’s nice to hold your players to the standard of the best, I believe you are valuing a player like Dickerson even lower than his actual value because you are creating this “everday starter” role, which only applies to 2/3rds of the players in the league.

Again, I just think you are overinflating the standard by which to judge players. I’m feeling like we’ll probably never agree on this. Please don’t take it personally. I’m not trying to be a dick. I just disagree.

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by Slyde on Dec 11, 2009 4:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I understand your point and your concerns.

However, if I am looking toward to a starting lineup position, I find it odd that someone whom you know going in is only going to give you 400 PAs would be a viable solution.

Of course, we did that with Barry Larkin his whole career. :)

But if someone were to construct a platoon – which in some circumstances is valid – I would want to compare that potential platoon’s offensive output to my OPS/pos metric results for starters to see if that plan was offensively valid, not compared to other platoons that may or may not be purposeful in their plan.

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by PeteyHendrix on Dec 11, 2009 6:06 PM EST up reply actions  

i agree with you

but the one quibble i have is that C-Dick, when only hitting against righties, produces at a level better than your average LF. his .845 OPS is 20 points higher than your average LF (.826). he’s not a CF-offensive-quality player trying to hack it in a corner, he’s the real deal with Bill McNeal. Gomes’ OPS against lefties is .885. put them together and you have one fine looking LF, i say.

i see what Slyde is saying, which is that not all teams have a “starting LF”. the Rays have trotted out a pretty successful platoon in RF the past few years in Gabes Gross and Kapler, but that two-headed Gabe doesnt show up in your work. that’s a valid point of contention, but i dont think it’s particularly damning. you are going back 10 years for a sample size so i dont think adding in the platoons and “almost-starters” here and there would change the numbers much. your point still stands: “if you want a good starter, here’s a nice benchmark”.

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by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 11, 2009 4:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Gomes will not produce as platoon player

He’s not wired for it…he no Pinch hitter either

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by Madville on Dec 11, 2009 6:43 PM EST up reply actions  

i like Dickerson

even in LF, if as part of a platoon. i dont know where you got your numbers, but for his major-league career he has hit .288/.387/.458 (.845 OPS) against righties. that’s pretty much in line with his minor-league split against righties (.827 OPS). i think we can all agree that he should never hit against lefties, but if he can put up those kinds of numbers as part of a platoon in LF and play elite defense out there, he’s a solidly above average player.

and perhaps the most important thing about Dickerson’s game is that he gets on base. nobody on the team but Joey Votto does it better.

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by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 10, 2009 4:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I think there will be some increaes in obp from

Bruce, Stubbs and Rolen this season. I am merely surmising that the trend of being more selective, (of course BP is not included in this surmise). will spill over to more of the team from Votto and Rolen and Hanigan.

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by Madville on Dec 10, 2009 4:42 PM EST up reply actions  

The fact that he can both play CF and hits righties well enough to

platoon in LF makes him extremely valuable. He can be a part of a bi- or tri-partite scheme of starters in LF while spelling (or perhaps, though unlikely, winning the job outright) in CF. He may not have the power to be an ideal pinch hitter, but with Wlad on the bench, he’s a great latter-inning defensive replacement and guy who can get from first to third. His skills are very well-suited to being a fourth OF and parttime starter, especially on a team that doesn’t get on base particularly well.

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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Dec 10, 2009 5:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I like him as a a #4 guy..i don't think that platooning Gomes is helpful to Gomes..

Jonny needs to play everyday. This is of course if Gomes comes to terms with Uncle walt..If its not Gomes then I would consider him as a platoon guy with Balentine. Wlad doesn’t get me very excited defensively and offensively not terrible but not that exciting either.

2009 AVG OBP SLG OPS
. 234 .305 .385 .690
CAREER .221 . 281 .374 .655

Small sample size but I’ll be pleasantly surprised to see this guy beat last years stats in 2010

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by Madville on Dec 10, 2009 5:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Trade Micah

He’s not working hard enough on fielding and hitting

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by Madville on Dec 10, 2009 9:59 PM EST up reply actions  

You is right - look at what happened to Gomes last ST

Meanwhile Dorkbutt McFuckface started in CF…

There is an overriding misconception that Clutch is an overriding misconception.

by Madville on Dec 10, 2009 4:35 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Jay Bruce will emerge as a budding and exciting star in 2010.

Count on it.

There is an overriding misconception that Clutch is an overriding misconception.

by Madville on Dec 10, 2009 4:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey obc2.

Are you going to the Motor City Bowl?

We Are ... Marshall!

by Thundering Turtle on Dec 11, 2009 10:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes and he couldn't the day I saw him in Fla

he was over matched, But i was wrong about Gomes,,,I admit it. I am not wrong about Bruce or Laynce Nix or the fact that Bonbo Bngo won its last fucking game,

There is an overriding misconception that Clutch is an overriding misconception.

by Madville on Dec 12, 2009 12:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Blech. No.

This guy is Pirates material.

by Brian B on Dec 10, 2009 8:34 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

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