Roster ch ch ch ch ch-anges
The Red today announced some minor roster changes. With an overstaffed Center-Field position, we knew someone had to go.
Speaking of Hot Stove, Ramon is looking for work. No not Hernadezzz, The right handed reliever Ramon Ramirez was claimed off waivers by the Rays today. I know his numbers this year weren't top 100 Reds of all time material, But I had high hopes for this guy. Sure he didn't wow you with his 6-7 4.03 ERA In Louisville, or with the 3.65 in 12.1 innings GABP. But this guy had a damn good arsenal of pitches. At least I can still watch Viola take his place.
In other news, with a shortage of catchers in Cincinnati, Utility player Wilkin Casillio preferred to stick around a little longer. Him and the Reds signed a minor league contract for the 2010 season with a clause about him being invited to spring training with the other big kids. His 2009 numbers are god-like at 667/667/667 with three at bats.
I hear the Brewers are looking for a short reliever after they canned Weathers.
And there's this guy Gonzalez that's up for grabs if anyone in south-west Ohio needs a SS...
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The Reds also signed Lehr to a one year ML contract
and immediately out righted him to AAA. I guess this way he has job security and won’t feel the need to pitch winter ball so his arm can have a rest, and the Reds have an extra starting pitcher who is serviceable in short stints, and unless he gets called up he won’t waste a roster spot.
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by justin007000 on Nov 9, 2009 6:18 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
but
They added him back to the roster the next day, according to the Reds transaction page at MLB.com.
I seem to recall they did something similar with Norris Hopper last year. Passing him through waivers allows them to lower his salary (perhaps signing him to a split contract?).
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by BubbaFan on Nov 9, 2009 6:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i'm confused because what you said is correct
but he isn’t listed on the 40 man roster, and Fay claims he was out righted to Louisville.
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by justin007000 on Nov 9, 2009 6:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He was outrighted to Louisville
then he was assigned to the Reds again.
The roster thing might just be a delay. When the Fay reported he’d been outrighted, the MLB transaction page did, too. But he was still listed on the roster. I don’t think the roster is updated when the transaction page is.
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by BubbaFan on Nov 9, 2009 6:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think the transaction page is delayed
Starting pitcher Justin Lehr signed a one-year big league contract and was then sent outright to Louisville. A 32-year-old journeyman, Lehr emerged in late summer and posted a 5-3 record and 5.37 ERA in 11 starts, including one complete game. He could be a contender for the fifth spot in the rotation.
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by justin007000 on Nov 9, 2009 9:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
but look at the transaction page
it says:
11/07/09 RHP Justin Lehr assigned to Cincinnati Reds.11/06/09 Cincinnati Reds outrighted Justin Lehr to Louisville Bats.
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by BubbaFan on Nov 9, 2009 9:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
that is totally confusing
why would the reds sign him, outright him to AAA, and recall him to Cincinnati? The date on that story is 11/6, and he was assigned to the Reds on 11/7. This signing totally made sense when he wasn’t wasting a 40 man roster spot.
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by justin007000 on Nov 9, 2009 9:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I was checking on the transaction pages every day
And I was really confused when he was assigned to the Reds after being outrighted.
Maybe it’s a mistake. Or maybe there’s a financial benefit. Like I said, I think they did this with NoHo last year. It allowed them to cut his salary, which wouldn’t have been possible if they didn’t pass him through waivers first.
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by BubbaFan on Nov 9, 2009 9:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Justin Lehr might have some MLB service time, but he sure as Hell ain't a MLB caliber arm
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 9, 2009 11:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i hope that wasn't the message I conveyed
I’m okay with Lehr making 30 starts in Louisville next year, but he isn’t a terrible spot starter, if/when injuries hit, especially if he isn’t wasting a spot on the 40 man roster.
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by justin007000 on Nov 10, 2009 1:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wasn't the message you conveyed, it was the opinion I wanted to express
Justin Lehr as a 5th starter or emergency/spot starter is what’s helping the Reds maintain the status quo of monumental suck.
We need more and better depth all across the organization, regardless of position.
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 10, 2009 2:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
almost every organization has a Justin Lehr type in AAA
As long as he is plan D or plan E the Reds will be fine. I’m okay with a rotation of:
Harang
Arroyo
Cueto
Bailey
Maloney
With Owings, Wood, Lehr and LeCure able to take a spot start.
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by justin007000 on Nov 10, 2009 2:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, plus we kinda owe Lehr for teaching Homer the splittie
by ken on Nov 10, 2009 3:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and i'm pretty sure he won't seriously be considered for the 5th spot
he will be Louisville’s opening day pitcher.
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by justin007000 on Nov 10, 2009 3:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Just as long Lehr makes at least 3x the starts in LOU as he does in CIN
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 10, 2009 11:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
well if he makes the majority of his starts in Cincinnati at least one of four things happened:
1.Management made a major mistake.
2. There were numerous injuries.
3. There were a number of pitchers who pitched themselves out of the rotation.
4. The Reds are completely out of it by June, Walt decides to dump and reload and he trades Harang and Arroyo, leaving two gaping holes to fill.
Scenario’s 2 and 3 may have contributed to number four, if Bailey proves to be a mirage, Maloney a 4A pitcher, and Cueto is injured, the Reds may be so far out of it they trade Harang and Arroyo for prospects, and reach a point where they are starting any pitcher who is capable of throwing 85 MPH+ 90 times in a ball game. Lehr fits that description.
All i’m saying is as long as Lehr isn’t blocking Bailey, Maloney, Wood, Lecure, and the like, having him around isn’t bad.
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by justin007000 on Nov 11, 2009 2:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Bailey and Wood are the only two on the list worth a damn
Maloney and Lehr are AAAA lifers.
LeCure, who knows about him yet, but I really don’t want to find out about him in a Reds uni. Bats uni, sure. Reds uni, not so much.
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 11, 2009 4:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Mr Optomism 2010
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by Madville on Nov 11, 2009 5:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Just tired of shitty Reds teams
and even more tired of Reds teams staying shitty b/c we think the Maloneys, Lehrs, Kip Wells and Daryl Thompsons of the World have any place on a MLB roster, let alone our MLB roster.
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 12, 2009 12:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
the difference is all the guys other than maloney are not still 25 yrs old
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by sharks on Nov 12, 2009 2:03 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Are you ready?
His name is Wendell, FWIW. Incredibly nice guy. :)
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by jch24 on Nov 12, 2009 1:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Finally a picture of the Peach!!!
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by Madville on Nov 12, 2009 10:00 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Windell, actually
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2070606/
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by BK on Nov 12, 2009 10:40 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wendell, Windell, whatever
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by jch24 on Nov 12, 2009 11:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
why do i kinda picture him as being Miller's copy of Duffman
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by justin007000 on Nov 12, 2009 2:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
so minor league fillers have a minor league career k/9 of 8.9?
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by justin007000 on Nov 11, 2009 5:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
furthermore Maloney has similar AAA peripherals to Harang
Maloney AAA
K/9: 8.9
BB/9: 2.8
K/BB: 3.18
Harang AAA
K/ 9: 8.1
BB/9: 2.4
K/BB: 3.61
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by justin007000 on Nov 11, 2009 5:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So you're going to be the guy that uses career minor league numbers to compare a guy that's had success @ the MLB level to a guy that will never have success @ the MLB level?
That’s like saying Drew Stubbs will continue this nonsense @ the MLB level b/c he’s never come remotely close @ the MiLB level
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 12, 2009 12:29 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
all i'm saying is that in AAA Harang and Maloney had similar stats
Why are you not willing to consider the fact that Maloney is capable of getting outs with a sub par fastball. Arroyo gets outs with a subpar fastball. I’m not saying Maloney will be the ace of the staff, but I honeslty believe he is underrated and could very well be a solid midrotation work horse.
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by justin007000 on Nov 12, 2009 1:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he's my front runner for the 5th spot
he’s one of the more interesting guys to watch for next year. I dare anyone to name me a better 5th spot guy not named owings.
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by sharks on Nov 12, 2009 2:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I've already considered Maloney over the last couple of years
If he had the talent, he wouldn’t be in AAA, he would have locked up his spot in the rotation.
The only reason he might get a look in 2010 is b/c Volquez most likely won’t throw 1 pitch for us.
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 12, 2009 9:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
or the Reds undervalued him because he doesn't light up the radar gun
it could be a classic scouts V stats debate. Plus he had a little bit of bad luck in 2008 which inflated his ERA. All I’m saying is based on his minor league numbers he deserves an extended look see at the big league level.
I looked at a number of AAAA left handed starting pitchers, and Maloney’s K/9 and BB/9 is better than almost every one, and I checked out guys like Dumatrait, Jimmy Anderson, if you look through RR (not that you should because I’m sure you have more important things to do), you will see I made a number of direct comparisons to AAAA left handed pitchers, and Maloney’s numbers put him in a higher class.
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by justin007000 on Nov 12, 2009 2:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So who's your 5 SP for 2010?
The Reds are goin’ to war, who’s goin’ with them?
Arroyo
Bailey
Cueto
Harang
LeCure
Maloney
Masset
Owings
Thompson
Wells
Those are the SP on the 40 man roster, who ya got?
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 12, 2009 4:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wood and Jukich will likely also be on the 40-man
to protect them from the Rule 5 draft
Definitely a good argument.
by Slyde on Nov 12, 2009 4:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Why protect Jukich?
Wood at least makes sense, and could possibly pitch for the Reds next year
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 13, 2009 10:16 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know if I personally would keep him
since honestly, I don’t know much about his stuff. However, a quick perusal of his numbers makes me suspect the Reds will protect him because I believe he could pitch in the big leagues next season. His K-rate is pretty good (20.3% last year), especially compared to his 7.6% walk rate. He doesn’t give up many home runs and, maybe most importantly for the Reds, he’s left-handed.
He’s not the kind of player that you protect because he’s the future of the franchise. He’s more like the kind of guy you protect because he could end up being a decent trading piece as part of a package and it doesn’t make sense to lose him for nothing. I have a feeling that he would be drafted if unprotected and it wouldn’t surprise me if he stuck for a whole season in the big leagues, but again, I don’t know much about his stuff.
FWIW, he’s probably last on the list of players that should be protected, and I’d say he’s worth keeping more than Laynce Nix or Willy Taveras.
Definitely a good argument.
by Slyde on Nov 13, 2009 11:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Depth Chart Order:
Harang
Arroyo
Cueto
Bailey
Maloney
Owings
Wood
Lehr
LeCure
Jukick
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by justin007000 on Nov 12, 2009 5:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I leave Thompson off that list
I believe if he has a major league future, it is in the bullpen, due to the fact his arm appears to be held together by spaghetti.
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by justin007000 on Nov 12, 2009 5:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Regardless of order, we can agree on the top 4
However, Owings and Wood, IMO, are better than Maloney.
Maloney, however, is better than Lehr, LeCure and Jukich (which isn’t really saying much)
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 13, 2009 10:17 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Owings is Ok
but I’d like to see Maloney given the same chance that Micah has had. My guess is that Matt’s results would be better than Micah’s.
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by Madville on Nov 13, 2009 10:42 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Owings struggles to find the plate and last year he struggled to miss bats
His bb/9 was 4.8 and his K/9 was 5.1, creating a K/BB of 1.06. OUCH!!!
His fastball has been losing velocity, in 2007 it averaged to be 90, 2008-88.9 and 2009 88.2.
Honestly I think he has some ongoing shoulder issues that is sapping him of his velocity.
You accuse Maloney of having no plus pitches, Owings truely does not have process an above average pitch. The only thing Owings can do that Maloney can’t do is hit. According to two articles at fangraphs, here and here, Maloney has an above average change up, which he sets up with his below average fastball.
Honestly I don’t understand the love for Owings, he was pretty brutal last year, and when you look at his peripherals he could have had an ERA much worse than 5.34.
I wouldn’t mind giving Owings a shot in the ’pen. His stuff might be more effective for one inning or so. He really struggled his second time through the line up. Last year in his first time through the lineup opposing hitters had a .660 OPS, the second time around it sky rocked up to .986, or an OPS+ of 115 OUCH!!!
What I can’t explain is the third time through the lineup (125 batters three times last year), the opposing OPS dropped to .710.
Plain and simple Owings has no real upside in the rotation, he is no more than a 5 five starter. Perhaps given his abilities his first time throw the line up, and his injury history (which I think we should consider a concern since he had missed time in the previous two seasons with shoulder issues) the bullpen is the place for him. He won’t have to face hitters more than once with his limited stuff, and his fastball might jump back up to around 90 MPH.
Maloney might not be more than a 5th starter, but at the big league level he is an unknown. Based on his minor league numbers, which are better than Owings minor league numbers, it isn’t an unfair to claim that Maloney at this point may have more upside than Owings.
And if nothing else Maloney and I share a birthday, his just happens to be three years earlier than mine, so yeah.
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by justin007000 on Nov 13, 2009 1:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
bring back weathers
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by Caleb on Nov 9, 2009 8:11 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Losing RamRam is no big
but aren’t there several pitchers we’d rather see go than him? Like Justin Lehr? Seems like they’re making a mistake reading anything into those two or three good starts.
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Nov 9, 2009 11:36 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'm more of an Owings fan myself
So he can make it as a long reliever but not a starter? I understand Lehr preformed better than Owings did. But isn’t it too soon to call him a better pitcher? Kip Wells is a starter on the Cincinnati Reds. I’m just keeping everything in proportion here. Either way he had a Silver Slugger and that’s just awesome. BTW, I was there when Lehr shutout the Cubs and it felt like the second coming of Jesus Christ, The Cubs are mostly Jews I think.
by Excalib8 on Nov 10, 2009 1:18 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Me too
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by Madville on Nov 10, 2009 7:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yea, It was a little far.
In my drunken stupor that seemed like a witty thing to say. I apologize RR. But in my, albeit dwindling, defense. Jesus was a Jew. C’mon, it wouldn’t even seem like a bad thing if the Cubs didn’t suck so badly. You just inferred that I meant that Jews can’t play baseball very well. Racists. So I’m going to make it up to you guys.
Sandy Koufax 2.76 ERA/1.106 WHIP – Jewish
Jason Marquis – Not the greatest stats but he was a Cub!
Kevin Youkillis 292/391/487 – Jewish
David Newhan 253/312/380 – Jewish
Ryan Brawn 308/363/574 – Jewish
My point is, It’s not such a bad thing. Only when you interpret it like one. Do you guys own a Yarmulke? go ahead, google it… I’ll wait.
I do. I was also the best man at a Jewish wedding, does that make me racist?
No really, I am sorry if i offended anyone. I’ll try to remember to log-off when I get shitfaced from now on.
by Excalib8 on Nov 10, 2009 2:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I rec'd it for its pure randomness
oh and people are not taking offense to the Jesus – Jew comment. But rather: “Kip Wells is a starter on the Cincinnati Reds.”
by jacob brumfield on Nov 10, 2009 3:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That last sentence crosses a line
let’s bring it back a bit
Definitely a good argument.
by Slyde on Nov 10, 2009 7:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
im not offended by it
i just dont understand it
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by boobs on Nov 10, 2009 12:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's because it doesn't make any sense.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
by Gray on Nov 10, 2009 12:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
it was really a slam on the White Sox
Hitler loved the White Sox.
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by justin007000 on Nov 10, 2009 1:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess that's why I find it offensive
because it looks like he just wanted to call the Cubs Jews, even if it didn’t make sense.
Definitely a good argument.
by Slyde on Nov 10, 2009 1:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
im not offended as a Jew
im offended as a comedian.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 10, 2009 2:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Don Rickles would be offended as both.
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by ZJiff30 on Nov 10, 2009 3:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Its just that God's Chosen people are not to be compared with the Cuns.
That’s the slur.
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by Madville on Nov 10, 2009 10:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of changes
by Daedalus on Nov 10, 2009 12:50 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Too soon...
I dunno if that’s steriods or not.
by Excalib8 on Nov 10, 2009 1:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he says he doesn't have vitiligo
He says he has had “skin rejuvenating” treatments because of all those years spent playing baseball in the hot sun. (Chemical peel? Laser treatments?)
He also says that the photos made him look a lot paler than he is.
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by BubbaFan on Nov 10, 2009 6:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He could be purple, it won't matter
He’s still ugly as sin.
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by jch24 on Nov 10, 2009 12:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
isn't there a chance there was just an extreme flash bulb?
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by Cy Schourek on Nov 10, 2009 6:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think that's part of it
Flash can make anyone look like a vampire.
But I think he’s also paler. Why would he admit to having skin treatments if he wasn’t?
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by BubbaFan on Nov 10, 2009 6:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
maybe he didnt really mean "skin treatments"
his English is not too good, you know.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 10, 2009 6:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
no
there were several pictures from that event, and they all make him look like an extra on a new CW vampire series
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by boobs on Nov 10, 2009 11:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
but that would be expected
If the photos were taken at the same event. Same lighting, etc.
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by BubbaFan on Nov 10, 2009 11:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
a black dude doesnt look undead because of strange fluorescent lighting
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by boobs on Nov 10, 2009 11:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I suspect
it’s not fluorescent lighting, but flash photography. Fluorescent lighting might make you look green, but it’s flash photography that washes people’s faces out. Plus, photos taken at the same event are often by the same photographer, with the same camera settings, etc.
Here are two photos taken at the same event, by two different photographers:

He does look undead in the first. Not really in the second. He’s certainly paler than he used to be. But he’s admitted to getting skin treatments. And a lot of it might simply be that he’s not playing any more. He’s not spending hours in the sun every day.
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by BubbaFan on Nov 11, 2009 6:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Nov 11, 2009 11:11 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
the roster has been updated
And Justin Lehr and Wilkin Castillo are listed as “non-roster invitees.” Maybe that’s what that “assigned to the Reds” thing means.
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by BubbaFan on Nov 10, 2009 2:44 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
that is good
He will make MLB minimum for a year, the Reds won’t waste a roster spot on a journeyman pitcher, and they have an extra starting pitcher who can be called up to make an emergency start. Plus he can teach all the prospects how o throw splitters.
He also won’t have to pitch in winterball, so if the Reds do need him late in the season he won’t be running on fumes.
This was an excellent move on behalf of Jock.
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