JJ Hardy traded to the Twins
Well, the dream is dead, folks. Looking more likely every day that Paul Janish is your opening day SS.
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All it took to acquire Hardy was an overrated
CF who can’t hit nor get on base? Gee, I sure wish the Reds had one of those lying around somewhere.
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by Thundering Turtle on Nov 6, 2009 1:01 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I wonder if they even tried
If the excuse is that they couldn’t afford him or weren’t interested, either is scary. Milwaukee not wanting to trade him is another thing, but I’m sure the Reds could have put together a better offer than Gomez.
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Nov 6, 2009 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
not wanting to trade him in division I mean
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Nov 6, 2009 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
The difference is Gomez will make league minimum and actually be good in CF
Taveras will be average in CF and make 4 mil…..
But I agree that wasn’t much of a return. I’m sure the Reds could have offered something much more attractive. They must not have wanted him for some reason.
I'mma let you finish, but....
Maybe
Maybe the Reds didn’t want him, but maybe the Brewers didn’t want to trade within the division like RijoSaboCaseyWKRP said. That is something I would buy into a lot more. Lots of teams don’t want to trade within their own division.
Yeah, I never seriously thought Milwaukee would take Taveras.
Just being a bit silly, just for grins. Stubbs might have gotten it done, but I don’t think I’d do that. I agree that the Brew Crew likely didn’t want to trade within the division unless the deal was a clear win for them.
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by Thundering Turtle on Nov 6, 2009 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
but now Cameron is on the table!
2 years too late, though
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And the Indians hired Tim Belcher as pitching coach today.
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by Thundering Turtle on Nov 6, 2009 1:04 PM EST reply actions
So what you are saying tht there are no other SSs at the MLB level who can play strong defense and hit and are available within the Red's budget.
It that’s the case, it would seem worthwhile for the Reds to at least try BP at short and give Frazier a look at 2B.
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Not going to happen
Phillips likely won’t cut it at SS and right now at least, Frazier can’t cut it at 2B defensively. Best plan if we are sticking inside the org would be Cozart to SS and Phillips remaining at 2B.
I agree that with Frazier still learning the position he's a liability
but why are we convinced that BP can’t hack it at short? Cozart looks like he’s coming along, but he hasn’t cracked AAA yet and it seems like some of the power he had in Dayton was sapped last year. How is he on defense?
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Nov 6, 2009 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
I'm with Dusty and Walt.
Why move BP? Are we THAT convinced that Frazier at 2B is an upgrade over what you get with BP at 2nd and Janish at short?
"If it wasn't this, it'd be something else."
Convinced, no
But you gotta try something if you’re cash-strapped team. Standing pat with BP and Janish in their respective positions, without trying anything else, is stupid. Throw Cozart into the mix at SS, Sutton and Frazier into to mix at SS and 2B, and Gomes(?), Dickerson, Wlad, Heisey, Francisco, Frazier and some non-tender retreads in LF.
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Nov 6, 2009 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
I'm reminded of National Treasure
In the climactic scene, where Jon Voight tells Nicolas Cage to “keep the status quo” until the scene turns in their favor.
We saw at the end of the season that BP and Janish were serviceable. I’m just not sure that it’s worth the risk, especially it involves arguably your team’s all around best player.
"If it wasn't this, it'd be something else."
But what is the risk exactly?
If it doesn’t seem like it’s working, why can’t you return to the status quo? Is BP’s pride going to be irreparably harmed? By virtue of the fact that he IS one of the team’s best all around players, and one of the best defensive middle infielders of the past several years – and has played shortstop professionally, he’s probably the best suited to field the position for the MLB club other than Janish.
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Nov 6, 2009 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
It's another little example of the divide between orgs like the Cards and the Reds
Not that moving Schumaker to 2B was some inspired move – or even successful on its face- but it showed a creativity sorely eluding the Reds in over the last 10 years. The Cards played Adam Kennedy at 2B in 2008 and were able to largely replace his value there by moving Schumaker from LF, saving the money spent on a FA and allowing Holliday to ultimately occupy Schumaker’s former spot.
I think Frazier, very soon, will be able to provide the same degree of valuewith his bat the Schumaker does, while playing a marginally better 2B. Maybe this simply means, lacking a better option, that they stick him in left. But try something for crud’s sake.
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Nov 6, 2009 2:59 PM EST up reply actions
Apparently Cozart is everything Janish WISHES he could be with the glove. He is THAT good
NYC would have a better report than me though
Glove-wise I think they are supposed to be fairly comparable
although Janish has done it at the MLB level so he has the advantage at this point. Cozart has potential to be a league average bat, which is why he’s a much better prospect.
I'mma let you finish, but....
I've been a proponent of at least trying this at some point in the next year
though I acknowledge that either Frazier or Sutton will not immediately make up with their bats for the likely net decline in defense at both position. But if Frazier is going to stick around, he needs to get a position soon – and we have needs in both SS and LF.
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Nov 6, 2009 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed
Frazier is going to be looked at this spring. Hell he was looked at last spring and handled his opportunities well.
Last ST he was playing a fair amount of 3B and did a nice job. He also played a fair amount of SS and although he’s no Jannish he didn’t appear to be any worse than Gonzo.
Where is this kid going to play, or are the reds going to fiddle around and lose him toanother team where he’ll blossom into a strong MLB hitter…
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But wait!
Now that the Twins traded away their speedy, light-hitting CF, they need one now, right? Pack your bags Willy, we’re trading you for JJ Hardy!
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Roughly $16 million reasons
as to why the Brew crew made the deal. This obviously signals that Mike Cameron and his $10 mill aren’t coming back, and dumping Hardy’s $7 mill gives them the opportunity to seek free agent pitching.
With Fielder nearing free agency, it’s likely they’ll opt for a few veteran free agent pitchers to bolster a run at the central this year, and it’s likely that they didn’t get an 2010 impact arm as an offer. Gomez has struggled, but he’s only 23 and was the centerpiece of the Johan trade. He just might pick it up this year…lets face it, he’s never gotten 40+ ABs vs. Reds pitching in his career.
On a sidenote, who wants to sign Orlando Cabrera now? This guy!!
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Nov 6, 2009 1:56 PM EST reply actions
A nice perk on Cabrera is that
his contract prevents the Twins from offering him arbitration, meaning he won;t require draft pick compensation for any team that signs him.
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by Thundering Turtle on Nov 6, 2009 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not so excited about Cabrera
Offensively, he’s not a dramatic upgrade over Janish and defensively I think Janish is a much safer bet to be excellent. He’s just not somebody that I would spend money on.
Definitely a good argument.
What stat sheet are you looking at
to say that OC isn’t a “dramatic upgrade” over Janish – the worst hitting regular SS in baseball? A .284 BA with 77 RBIs looks pretty “dramatic” to me.
Dude.
RBI?
Really?
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Nov 6, 2009 3:47 PM EST up reply actions
who the fuck are you?
what makes you think you can just show up outta the blue and make smart ass comments like that?
hey fellas! get a load of this guy! the nerve…
by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 6, 2009 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
My bad.
I was looking for the birthday party and ended up in hot stove action.
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Nov 6, 2009 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
naw i was just foolin' ya!
you know your surly attitude is welcomed around here any time!
so how’s life treating you? the kids doing alright?
by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 6, 2009 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
H1N1'd.
Been there done that. Doing a’ight otherwise, thanks. You?
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Nov 6, 2009 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
that's not surprising
sucks, but seems like every little tike is getting that these days.
as for me, it’s the same-old, same-old. wreckin’ decks and gettin’ sex. moved into our new house a few months ago and i feel like an adult now. so it’s cool.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 6, 2009 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
whah?
There’s sex after marriage?
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at this point in my life
it’s more a figure of speech than anything.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 6, 2009 5:49 PM EST up reply actions
do you put your hyperbaton in the assonance or the chiasmus?
or just lock the bathroom door and bring yourself to pleonasm?
People, please. We're all frightened and horny, but we can't let some killer dolphins keep us from living and scoring
All I'm saying is, forget all the troping around in the dark
and get to the enjambment. If you need to be sweet, just offer some spoonerism after the anticlimax.
People, please. We're all frightened and horny, but we can't let some killer dolphins keep us from living and scoring
Paraprosdokian'd.
"If you have a spaceship and are looking for a hilarious astronaut with an irregular heartbeat and thirty million dollars, I am prepared to leave as soon as tomorrow."
by Fat Vegas Alan on Nov 6, 2009 8:26 PM EST up reply actions
You're thinking "Rebel."
This naughty monkey is a maverick.
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Nov 6, 2009 8:52 PM EST up reply actions
?
I dunno how this happened. I think my laptop knows that deep down I want to kill it.
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Nov 6, 2009 9:21 PM EST up reply actions
At least 4 or 5 times
I’ve got the kids to prove it…DNA tests confirm it!
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Mads.
Howdy.
So… how’d that Mariners outfielder guy work out for us? And what’s the newest coolest nerd band that nobody’s ever heard of?
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Nov 6, 2009 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
I had a very good time seeing They Might Be Giants perform in a science museum
That’s about the grandaddy of cool nerd bands. Or, go listen to Grandaddy. They’re awesome. “Jed the Humanoid” is a great song about death.
As for the outfielder, the preferred nickname is “My Wladdy Balentien.”
Yeah, that guy. Was he any good?
These days, TMBG are back on my radar as they’re doin’ the preschool thang.
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Nov 6, 2009 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
Something kind of funny...
…about a CD called “Here Comes Science” in 2009.
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Nov 6, 2009 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
Huckabee Nation begs to differ.
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Nov 6, 2009 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
Just put FVA's picture in the empty spot on the poster please
Where you been dude?
I gave up working out. My philosophy: No pain... no pain. ...
Mads.
Sarah Vowell is a bad human being
I really can’t stand her books…there’s good snark, and then there’s just needless snark
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Which ones have you read?
Assassination Vacation is a fine read, but, in addition to being geeky, she’s very political, and some people don’t like her politics.
the problem with Vowell
(from someone who’s taught her essays over the years) is that she’s entirely one note. She has virtually no range and has no ability to surprise.
If you’ve read one of her essays, then all you need to know is the title (or five word premise) of any of her other essays and you can easily guess exactly what she’s going to say. There are certainly writers (and other artists) who can be enjoyed that way, but it is a bit odd considering all the plaudits she’s received for being “an original voice.”
People, please. We're all frightened and horny, but we can't let some killer dolphins keep us from living and scoring
what the man said
her “original voice” is nothing that Holly Anderson couldn’t do better. And the whole Brooklyn-centricity really gets to me.
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
I can see that
i couldn’t finish wordy shipmates, which committed the sin of making boring people even more boring IMHO
I've never read her
but she’s on The Daily Show from time to time and Jon Stewart raves about her wit. Frankly, I’ve never been that impressed with her appearances on the show.
Definitely a good argument.
Incredibles!
Big Brad Bird fan here.
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Nov 6, 2009 9:05 PM EST up reply actions
He'd be an offensive improvement.
But he’d also be a 35 year-old shortstop.
A 35 year-old shortstop who hasn’t faced National League pitching since the French Canadians had a team to call their own.
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Nov 6, 2009 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
OC
I’d love to see OC go to the Reds; a SS who could actually hit second would be sweet. I think his defensive woes last year were an outlier due in large part to him coming in out of shape. He tore it up down the stretch for the Twins while our SS was hitting .183 in the last month.
Probably would take $4 million a year to get him; I’d rather see us go that route then toss that type of money to get Hernandez back. Of course, we don’t have $4 million unless: A) Everything we’ve heard about keeping payroll at about the 2009 level is wrong; or B) One of the big salaries can get moved.
The Reds were interested in Hardy
From Sheldon:
* When asked about the Brewers trading shortstop J.J. Hardy to the Twins for CF Carlos Gomez, Jocketty said the Reds had interest in Hardy.
“We talked to [the Brewers] several times,” Jocketty said. “We didn’t match up and they didn’t want to trade within our division, which was understandable.”
Definitely a good argument.
So there is a pulse
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Nov 6, 2009 3:11 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, Hardy Hart Hart
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Nov 6, 2009 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
What you're all missing is that Jermaine Dye is now a FA, people ...
This has Cincy written all over it.
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by Farneyismycopilot on Nov 6, 2009 2:57 PM EST reply actions
I was only half joking there Slyde. I agree ... but wouldn't put it past them.
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by Farneyismycopilot on Nov 6, 2009 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
How about that David Weathers fellow, then.
The Brewers declined his option today.
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by Thundering Turtle on Nov 6, 2009 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
Depending on the contract, I'd actually be for that
I’d give him $1 m. That seems lower than he’d ask though.
And only if it meant Lincoln was DFA-d
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Nov 6, 2009 3:12 PM EST up reply actions
really?
Jermaine Dye is one of the worst outfield defenders in baseball. Defensive metrics aren’t perfect, but when they rate a player -20 runs for 4 straight years, you pretty much know what you are getting. And given that his offense has been only slightly above average in 2 of the last 3 years, no thanks, I’ll pass.
Definitely a good argument.
No, I meant I'd be happy with him. I think he'd be fine
I loved Adam and the team needs more offense. I mean, I’d rather have Gomes, but if Dye would sign for less than Gomes would win, then I’m fine with one year of Jermaine. Besides, he would be coming to a weaker league, so his stats migh improve Ibanez-style
well, while Ibanez was terrible defensively
he still had plenty left in the tank offensively the previous three years.
Definitely a good argument.
You and i know it won't happen
Further, I know it the trade I was in favor of the trade last year and, while I do not believe Homer will duplicate his September (too many games against the Pirates), he is clearly far, far, far more value than Dye
Wow, I would so direct you to what you said the other day about hyperbole
What I say is that cheap, young productive players are the gold standard of winning, but counting on a youngster to contribute in the short-term is not a great idea. This is Homer’s third season and going into his fourth, he seems ready to contribute. That seems right to me regarding pitchers (see Voltron and my continuing surprise at how productive Cueto is).
Position players contribute quicker, but it’s still gonna be Jay’s third season before he puts up numbers.
Have I appeared so annoyed at the constant “some kid in Double A is gonna save the Reds” refrain the media pushes as an excuse for not spending money for the last ten years that you think I don’t like young ’uns?
If so, then your rebuke was dead on, ’cause nothing is further from the truth.
And, yeah, that trade would have been poor
The Phillies declined on Brett Myers, too.
Any interest there?
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by Thundering Turtle on Nov 6, 2009 3:15 PM EST reply actions
It's not so much the knock on him
It’s the knock on his wife.
by Brendanukkah on Nov 6, 2009 3:16 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
too soon
I'mma let you finish, but....
by nycredsfan on Nov 6, 2009 3:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
apparently he and Cole Hamels are friends
i dont like Cole Hamels anymore.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 6, 2009 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
/throws battery
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by Farneyismycopilot on Nov 6, 2009 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
Hey, if'n you don't like how 'nem Phillies is playin'
whip a battery!
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Nov 6, 2009 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
/throws another battery
//punches child
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by Farneyismycopilot on Nov 6, 2009 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
HAHA
the reds are a joke.[ANOTHER REBUILDING YEAR]!!!!!!!!
It is sad. But, with all the re-building, when they're done
the team’s gonna have like granite counter-tops in the kitchens, a home theater, and an outdoor kitchen!
/HGTV’d
While you're at it... green that shit up a lil' bit, will ya?
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Nov 6, 2009 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
dickerson'd
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Nov 6, 2009 5:15 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
racist'd
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
I had some hopes for that trade happening
but the division issue made me wonder. Paul Janish as the opneing SS wouldn’t be so bad if we had some other offense from the OF, or catcher to pick up the slack.
Good thing I like Janish regardless. He is a doubles magician in any event.
I'm happy with Janish
I’m afraid if the Reds go shopping, they’ll do something stupid. Patterson, Taveras, A-Gon…really, they’d have been better off saving the money.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
The pride of Rice University!
I believe he’s getting married this month. I hope it works out better for him than it did for Bubba.
The NY Times wrote an article back in 2005, about how Bubba was going to get married in the off-season, and how all he wanted for a wedding gift was the starting CF job. Not only did Cashman give the job to Johnny Damon instead, Bubba never made it to the altar. They called it off. To the joy of teenage girls all over NY, but it had to be kind of a bummer for him.
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A heartbroken professional athlete surrounded by young, willing girls in Manhattan
that sounds like a tremendous bummer
People, please. We're all frightened and horny, but we can't let some killer dolphins keep us from living and scoring
I doubt he was in Manhattan
Probably back home in Houston.
Or in Arizona, where baseball players work out in the off-season.
And where Josh Hamilton got in trouble in that bar.
Hmmm. That might explain why Bubba’s wedding was “postponed”…
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Didn't Norm Charlton go to Rice too?
So, who is the pride? the dude with the Ring or the dude who will be the cornerstone of yet another mediocre Reds season?
Berkman, too
A number of years ago, I was reading something by some baseball scribe or other who said that Charlton was the only legitimately “brainy” baseball player that he’d ever covered. Dibble once said that Charlton just acted like a complete Neanderthal in order to intimidate batters
People, please. We're all frightened and horny, but we can't let some killer dolphins keep us from living and scoring
I had lunch with John Erardi today
and he was saying that Norm Charlton is a great interview, that he really is a smart guy and understands the game. Also said that Joe Oliver is really smart too. Both don’t, uh, look all that smart.
Definitely a good argument.
well
They do call Rice “the Harvard of the South.”
Berkman is a pretty good interview, too, from what I’ve seen. And Janish is hilarious.
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I'm pretty sure it already has that meaning
I'mma let you finish, but....
by nycredsfan on Nov 7, 2009 1:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
is there a Janish quote or something out there that I missed
I never heard him being particularly funny.
But Dunn was funny too…maybe its a TX thing?
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The Jayson Stark thing was my favorite
here. (Scroll down to “The Janish Quip Book.”)
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gracias
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yeah, but
Harvard is the Vandy of the north.
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Nov 6, 2009 7:54 PM EST up reply actions
don't be silly
Harvard’s basketball team sucks!
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actually tommy amaker is doing a good job with them
and they just landed a top 100 recruit!
Made from 100% Recycled Awesome,
fwiw
He succeeded. Hit a stand up triple seconds after that pic was taken.
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This is nothing to be worried about, right?
On MLBT I saw that “Jocketty hopes to re-sign catcher Corky Miller and outfielder Darnell McDonald to minor league deals.” That’s just industry speak for them being minor league filler right? What I dread is that McD makes the team out of ST again, or becomes the next in line behind Bruce/Stubbs/C-Dick. And Miller becomes Ramon’s backup.
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Nov 6, 2009 4:31 PM EST reply actions
Looks like Barker and Richar both opted for Free Agency
Justin Lehr was signed to a 1-year contract and then outrighted to AAA. Not sure what that means except that I don’t believe he is on the 40-man roster anymore.
Definitely a good argument.
From what I gather, he's on the roster
Sheldon mentions that it’s a big league deal, so don’t they have to put him on the 40 at least?
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by BK on Nov 6, 2009 5:35 PM EST up reply actions
that's why I axed him if it meant that it was just guaranteed money but not a guaranteed roster spot
Definitely a good argument.
Outrighted
means he cleared waivers and is off the roster.
Players can only be outrighted once in their careers unless they consent.
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Even with a big league contract?
I’m under the impression that if a player has a big league contract, then they need to be on the 40-man roster. Is that not the case?
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by BK on Nov 6, 2009 8:54 PM EST up reply actions
Not the case
They still have to be paid whatever they’re owed on their big league contracts, but they don’t have to be on the roster.
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weird
The Reds transaction page is showing that Lehr was assigned to the Cincinnati Reds today. After being outrighted to Louisville yesterday. FTH?
Not sure why they would do that. I seem to recall they did something similar with Norris Hopper last year. It was a way to lower his salary.
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just heard tony kornheiser say
re: Yankees have the best fans, that the only two places he’s ever been where he felt that the fans cared utterly about baseball were Cincinnati and St. Louis. Probably not true any more, sadly.
People, please. We're all frightened and horny, but we can't let some killer dolphins keep us from living and scoring
Yankees have the best fans
one of them just emailed me this: “Yankees have the 3rd most home grown talent in the Majors! Suck a dick faggot!”
Definitely a good argument.
if he meant
“best at putting you in your place” then he is surely right.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 6, 2009 5:52 PM EST up reply actions
eh, whatever
I think it’s funny that someone is so mad that I might think the Yankees are able to spend more money than the rest of the league to send me an email. I’m guessing he’s not a regular reader of the site.
Definitely a good argument.
i think the regulars are gonna tell ya to
suck a dick faggot in a humorous manner.
you’re lucky JCH is en route to suck a peach.
"I have found me a home"
That's okay
I haven’t banned anyone in a while. I’m getting an itchy trigger finger.
Definitely a good argument.
but who needs to stud when you can suck a dick?
People, please. We're all frightened and horny, but we can't let some killer dolphins keep us from living and scoring
maybe you're just in the mood
for a porterhouse?
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by Cy Schourek on Nov 6, 2009 6:40 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Totally irrelevant, but
Watch out, world! I can now post to RR from my Droid.
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
by Gray on Nov 6, 2009 6:35 PM EST via mobile reply actions
hmm
i always just assumed they were Cubs fans.
/annoying
by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 6, 2009 6:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
since
we went after Hardy isnt that saying Janish is not going to be the starter
I think it's only saying..
..that Janish would not be the starter if the Reds were to acquire a player better than Janish.
"If you have a spaceship and are looking for a hilarious astronaut with an irregular heartbeat and thirty million dollars, I am prepared to leave as soon as tomorrow."
by Fat Vegas Alan on Nov 6, 2009 8:39 PM EST up reply actions
"This is all your fault."
"If you have a spaceship and are looking for a hilarious astronaut with an irregular heartbeat and thirty million dollars, I am prepared to leave as soon as tomorrow."
by Fat Vegas Alan on Nov 6, 2009 9:08 PM EST up reply actions
"We seem to be made to suffer. It's our lot in life."
"If it wasn't this, it'd be something else."
by ZJiff30 on Nov 7, 2009 12:39 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
actually, that's totally relevant
and very cool. Congrats. I’d say lemme know how it is, but I’m only 5 months into a Blackberry Storm, so I’m not changing phones anytime soon.
Definitely a good argument.
I got irrelevant for ya.
What’s Frankie Valli doing with Sammy Sosa’s wife?
"If you have a spaceship and are looking for a hilarious astronaut with an irregular heartbeat and thirty million dollars, I am prepared to leave as soon as tomorrow."
by Fat Vegas Alan on Nov 6, 2009 9:41 PM EST up reply actions
im assuming somebody told Zombie Sammy it was a costume party
but it wasnt.
“CEREBROOOOOOOOOSSSSS!!”
by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 7, 2009 12:24 AM EST up reply actions
So I'm at Amazon.com...
…wistfully looking at the new, soon to be released Canon 1D Mark IV. If I had Alex Rodriguez’s money, that’s the camera I’d buy. Heck, if I had Paul Janish’s money, that’s the camera I’d buy. ;-)
But what gets me is the combo deal they’re offering. You know how Amazon offers those “frequently bought together” deals. They’ll bundle items frequently bought together, and usually it makes sense. Batteries and a memory card with a camera, a couple of other books by the same author if you buy a book, etc.
But the bundle Amazon is offering here is this $5,000 pro sports camera, and…Sarah Palin’s new book. FTH?
Rich people who can afford that camera love Sarah? Or maybe wildlife photographers are Palin fans? (The camera is meant for photojournalists, sports, and wildlife photographers – people who need a camera that can freeze motion.)
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Are gadflies considered wildlife?
"If you have a spaceship and are looking for a hilarious astronaut with an irregular heartbeat and thirty million dollars, I am prepared to leave as soon as tomorrow."
by Fat Vegas Alan on Nov 6, 2009 8:44 PM EST up reply actions
remember when
people used to post photos of her here at RR, because she was so hot (for a politician)?
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It's true, she was
And then she opened her mouth.
"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san
by BK on Nov 6, 2009 8:56 PM EST up reply actions
"If you have a spaceship and are looking for a hilarious astronaut with an irregular heartbeat and thirty million dollars, I am prepared to leave as soon as tomorrow."
by Fat Vegas Alan on Nov 6, 2009 8:47 PM EST up reply actions
She's the Andre Agassi of politicians
I bet she has the same amount of chest hair, for those cold Alaskan winter nights
Definitely a good argument.
You're thinking "Rebel."
This naughty monkey is a maverick.
"If you have a spaceship and are looking for a hilarious astronaut with an irregular heartbeat and thirty million dollars, I am prepared to leave as soon as tomorrow."
by Fat Vegas Alan on Nov 6, 2009 8:54 PM EST up reply actions
Rebel... Rogue... Maverick...
Mom I’d Like to Forget About.
"If you have a spaceship and are looking for a hilarious astronaut with an irregular heartbeat and thirty million dollars, I am prepared to leave as soon as tomorrow."
by Fat Vegas Alan on Nov 6, 2009 9:09 PM EST up reply actions
Grandmom You'd Like to Forget About
Oh, and the father of her grandchild will be appearing in Playgirl. Ladies….
She does support more tax cuts
And she loves her some Big Oil. So, if you’re a plutocrat, she’s your gal
So, we're not getting Hardy.
Could somebody at least whisper sweet nothings about Wladimir in my ear? or do I have to look through August’s box scores to know how he fits into the Reds’ future plans?
"If you have a spaceship and are looking for a hilarious astronaut with an irregular heartbeat and thirty million dollars, I am prepared to leave as soon as tomorrow."
Decent power
Didn’t get a ton of playing time. He’s one of seemingly half a dozen fourth outfielders we’ve got.
I think I read a Maureen Dowd column where she referred to him as “Sex on Skates.”
"If you have a spaceship and are looking for a hilarious astronaut with an irregular heartbeat and thirty million dollars, I am prepared to leave as soon as tomorrow."
by Fat Vegas Alan on Nov 6, 2009 9:14 PM EST up reply actions
Whoops.
Maureen was writing about Palin’s grandbaby’s daddy.
Not Wlad.
"If you have a spaceship and are looking for a hilarious astronaut with an irregular heartbeat and thirty million dollars, I am prepared to leave as soon as tomorrow."
by Fat Vegas Alan on Nov 6, 2009 9:15 PM EST up reply actions
I think I need to take a shower after rec'ing that
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
Back to the main issue
Jannish is only good for the 2010 Reds if :
1.Hanigan Hits
2.Gomes is signed and Hits
3. Drew Stumps Hits.
If any one of the above 3 have a shitty offensive year then with Jannish’s . .205 /290/.292 will be felt in almost every game..
If any two of the above have less than stellar offensive years then the team is right back where they left off
in 2009. Which is 3 out of 8 automatic outs on any given day
Jannish should be the utility guy.
This team needs a SS that can contribute offensively…esp. if we don’t keep Gomes.
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Mads.
I would bet a LOT of money
That Janish will do significantly better than that. I predict .245/.325/.390. That’s not great but with his defense would make him about league average. I agree though that LF CF and C all need to provide offense in this case
I'mma let you finish, but....
by nycredsfan on Nov 7, 2009 1:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I see .220/.295/.350
thought I’d split the middle there.
"If it wasn't this, it'd be something else."
I can only go by what I saw last season at the MLB level
I predict an under .220 average although he may get slight above a .300 OPB, but a .292 SLG is prolly high. he’ll be hard pressed to have an OPS above.600. so he has to be surrounded with strong hitters to be of ultimate value to the team.
I gave up working out. My philosophy: No pain... no pain. ...
Mads.
His SLG depends on whether he can keep being a doubles machine.
I doubt it, but you never know.
"If it wasn't this, it'd be something else."
A .390 SLG
from Janish???? Don’t be ridiculous; he barely cracked .300 last year. And I see no reason to believe he’s going to hit MLB pitching as well as he did AAA pitching in his last year there; he showed no improvement at the end of last year and actually only batted .176 in September/October. Not sure why everybody else has to carry his dead weight; why can’t we just get a SS who can hit (or promote Valaika?).
a SS that can hit
is going to be expensive. The Reds told the Fay that they are not increasing payroll this year, which means our options are limited, unless we can trade Cordero or something.
Valaika’s numbers in AAA are worse than Janish’s were. He’s younger, and could (probably will) improve, but it’s doubtful he’ll be much help on offense immediately.
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Janish's career minor league line is .257/.341/.383
it wouldnt surprise me if his major league talent level is something like .675-.700 OPS. for a guy with a top-tier glove at SS, that would make a slightly better than average player. i can live with that as long as he doesnt bat #2. yes, the team isnt a playoff-level team, but improvements in CF, catcher, LF, RF, and 3B as well as SS can fix that.
remember, it doesnt matter where a player makes his value, whether it’s Joey Votto with his bat or Janish and Stubbs with their gloves, all that matters is that the team gets better. a league-average SS in Janish is a very cost-effective way of making this team better.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 7, 2009 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
What makes you think that a guy's who's top MLB OPS is .601 is going to suddenly jump 74 - 100 percentage points
I don’t see it…I sure hope I’m wrong, but Jannish will not stay a doubles machine once he’s been through the league a couple times.
I gave up working out. My philosophy: No pain... no pain. ...
Mads.
Janish
was the worst hitting regular SS in the NL last year by far; how does that translate to “league average”? Fielding metrics are unreliable; his UZR/150 was Ozzie Smith in 2009, but -12.00 in 2008. He’s a good glove but not as good as he appears in the stats. The further up in the minors he got, the worse he hit and that trend has continued into the bigs. A team who’s biggest problem is offense can’t afford a Janish in the lineup.
I don't think anyone's basing it on fielding metrics
Janish’s reputation on defense dates from his college days, and comes from scouting as much as stats.
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2009
Looks like an outlier for Valaika to me; he hit the ball well once he got healthy. There’s no comparison between his AA numbers and Janish’s; Chris hit over .300 while Paul was a .245 bat and Valaika’s OPS was more than a 100 points higher. I’d prefer a Cabrera or Scutaro, but if we have to go in-house, I’d give Valaika a shot – his FA and RF at SS last year were respectable (if someone has more detailed minor league fielding stats I’d like to see them).
TotalZone takes a stab a being more detailed
but minor league stats being what they are, I wouldn’t stake my reputation on the numbers. You can see them here for Valaika (click the Defense link in the upper-righthand corner). He’s not exactly impressive at shortstop. Maybe he could suffice there for a year until Cozart is ready, but frankly, outside of 2008 when he had a .368 BABIP, he hasn’t done enough offensively in the minors to justify the benefit of the doubt.
Definitely a good argument.
please don't look at UZR/150 until a player has played somewhere close to 150 games
it’s like taking an already unreliable number and extrapolating it.
Based on what I’ve seen, what the numbers have shown even down in the minor leagues, and what scouts say, I’d put Janish somewhere between at +1 and +2 win shortstop defensively. If he can manage to be replacement level offensively, he’ll work out to be an average player at shortstop. Given that the Reds don’t have any other ready options, if they can’t make a deal for a good shortstop, Janish will suffice – as long as Dusty will bat him 8th!
Definitely a good argument.
I am just taking a wild guess here
But apparently Todd Frazier doesn’t have the D to play SS?
I gave up working out. My philosophy: No pain... no pain. ...
Mads.
Janish vs Hardy
Paul Janish is not such an awful thing to have as your starting SS. He’s probably worth around 2 wins a year just on his D alone. Hardy is maybe a 3 WAR kind of guy. His D is vastly overrated and his bat, in his best years, was a great over performance of his abilities.
Hardy scores great on D metrics because he is positioned correctly very often. He has a solid glove and plus arm, but his range is horrendous. If the ball isnt hit right at him, its an automatic single.
No need to panic for Reds fans, strong D at SS is a sure recipe for success. Besides, the Reds finish the year against the Brewers in 2010, and in the last 10 years, the team finishing against the Brewers has been playoff bound 7 of those 10 times.
It's difficult to make the positioning/range judgment unless you've watched a lot of Brewers games
Also, if Milwaukee was adept at positioning their middle infielders I would have expected Rickie Weeks to have posted better defensive numbers than he has in his career.
by ken on Nov 8, 2009 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
Does it matter how a player scores well on defensive metrics?
If we are trying to measure how balls hit into the areas of his responsibility turn into outs, I don’t care if he does it because he has a copy of “Grey’s Sports Almanac” from 2015 and he knows exactly where every ball is going to be hit. I just want a player who turns balls into outs at a high rate. Hardy is that type of player.
And I’d take Hardy’s bat every day over Janish.
Definitely a good argument.
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