Red Reposter - Back to Work After a Nice Long Weekend at the Feed Trough
by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 30, 2009 11:00 AM EST
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Lisa Winston at MLB.com wrote a nice overview of the Reds' farm system
The AAA team looks stacked next year, as the Reds have a ton of good prospects at the higher levels. The most interesting nugget in the article is that it looks like the Reds have already decided that Todd Frazier will play LF next season, with Chris Valaika at 2B and Zack Cozart at SS. Frazier is pretty clearly the best prospect among these guys, and we know he's played pretty much everywhere in previous seasons. There has been some discussion on the site recently about where Frazier should play. Did the Reds give up on him at SS too soon? Should he get more of a look at 2B? Is he a better option at 3B than Juan Francisco? Do you think LF is the right place for him? -
Erik Manning at FanGraphs really likes the Reds defense
He says he doesn't really like anything else about them, but he did promise he'd call. -
Cliff Eastham at the Bleacher Report is passing out his report cards for the Reds
and he gives Willy Taveras a "D". Grade inflation anyone? -
FanGraphs is putting together Fan Projections
We did something like this here last season, but here is your chance to project the Reds' performance on a site that serious people actually read. -
UmpBump is putting together a series on team needs
and they say the Reds #1 priority this offseason should be getting a time machine. It's the only way to get the team out from under the Francisco Cordero contract, which they say is the biggest hurdle in putting together a competitive team. -
Another Fay Q & A
"Q, from Andrew: What is the status of Bill Bray? Is he expected to be ready by the beginning of the season? Would the Reds break camp with three lefty relievers (Arthur Rhodes, Daniel Ray Herrera and Bray)?
A: His Tommy John" surgery was May 19. That puts him on track to return by early May of this coming season. I would expect the Reds to be cautious with him, given his injury history." -
The Hardball Times looks at the top baserunners of 2009
Brandon Phillips comes in at number 6, and this is even without taking stolen bases into account. He also provides a link to the entire list for the league. -
Red Reposter NEWS FROM HELL
OMGReds passes along this luxurious piece of cheesecake. Remember the bimbo Pete Rose brought to the game late in the season? Turns out she's not a call girl (I know, surprised me too). She and Petey are going steady. And she is auditioning for Playboy.
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If you're showing up to an open casting call...
I don’t think you get to say that you’re “getting an audition.”
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
Jesus man
cant you let a girl dream?
by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 30, 2009 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
Seriously.
Nobody likes a publicity stunt pooper.
"If you have a spaceship and are looking for a hilarious astronaut with an irregular heartbeat and thirty million dollars, I am prepared to leave as soon as tomorrow."
by Fat Vegas Alan on Nov 30, 2009 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
stunt pooper?
I’ve never heard of stunt pooping. Is that what Eval Knieval did after getting too old for the bike?
Strangely, though, there was never much publicity about that. Probably because nobody likes it.
"The USA despite its flaws and corruption and overall messiness is still a great and powerful instrument of freedom and hope for the entire world." - Madville
I really hope Frazier ends up at 3B and Francisco in LF
Frazier’s bat doesn’t really play that great in LF and E.N.D.’s would. Defensively Frazier could play either, and Juan certainly has the arm for LF. I could see both of those guys starting in those two spots to start 2011.
If I hear the word 'perky' again, I'll puke
wOBA-wise, Frazier has out-performed Francisco offensively in the minors
His minor league wOBA is approximately .370 compared to Francisco’s .330. Francisco has the home run power, but Frazier is a much better hitter. Plus, while END might be a 40+ HR guy, I wouldn’t be surprised for Frazier to develop 25+ home run power. His minor league numbers look a lot like Votto’s – not that he’ll ever hit like Votto does now, but I wouldn’t be surprised to see some progression in a similar direction.
Definitely a good argument.
Yeah, I was mainly just thinking power-wise
Unless Francisco can learn to walk, he won’t play anywhere in the bigs. But if he can, he could definitely be a .275/.335/.550 guy.
If we’re so concerned about a lack of power on the team, putting Frazier in LF probably isn’t the best answer. (of course, neither is Dickerson or Heisey)
If I hear the word 'perky' again, I'll puke
I'm still more concerned about a lack of OBP on the team than lack of power
and Frazier had the same number of extra base hits as Francisco last year in 19 fewer PA.
I don’t know if I’d be moving Frazier to LF, but I’d be in a much bigger hurry to get him to the big leagues than I would Francisco.
Definitely a good argument.
Very true,
but with Dickerson, Heisey, and (hopefully) Gomes on the team, and a fragile starting 3B, I’m thinking 3B might be the quicker route. Also, you’ve got the possibility of Votto maybe moving to LF eventually.
My concern is that if they want him to eventually play 3B, he needs to get some time there in AAA. He’s only played 18 games at third during the last two seasons. I don’t want him making the defensive adjustments in the majors. That’s a lot of pressure.
If I hear the word 'perky' again, I'll puke
It may not prove to be the quicker route
But it’s definitely a better bet to let Frazier get reps playing a more difficult defensive position, even if he gets called up to play LF at some point this year. I’m hoping the move doesn’t presage a contract extension to Rolen or trading Alonso. The Reds are in a good spot with high-level talent, but I think you have to regard Frazier, Alonso and Votto as your stalwarts. They’re the best cost-controlled position players this team with the greatest chance for sustained success. If Heisey pans out in the majors – or Francisco learns some discipline – it’s a bonus.
Yeah, those guys and the Cincinnati Reds. They're a terrible football team. / Because they're a baseball team? / Exactly. You know who's the worst football team? The Philadelphia Flyers. - Best Show
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Nov 30, 2009 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
i think you are forgetting The Next Big Thing, Jay "The Boss" Bruce Almighty
considering he is the same age as Alonso and is a far better prospect than either Frazier or Alonso, or even Votto.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 30, 2009 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
Right you are
I guess I was simply thinking in terms of the 1b-3b-LF axis. Along w/ Bruce, those four should really be the core of this team for the foreseeable future. I can only see trading Alonso or Frazier if this team gets desperate for pitching or is "one away from locking up the division. The only way this team gets and stays competitive is retaining its top prospects, shrewdly trading for need and from a position of strength/surplus. The biggest problem with mgmt in the past is that it puts too high a premium on things veteran presence (Rolen) or overlooks the paragon importance of not making outs (Francisco).
Yeah, those guys and the Cincinnati Reds. They're a terrible football team. / Because they're a baseball team? / Exactly. You know who's the worst football team? The Philadelphia Flyers. - Best Show
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Nov 30, 2009 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
This is stupid
Really, really stupid.
The best hitter on the team plays 1B, and passably so. The #1 pick from a year ago, whom many think will be ready by September, can only play 1b; the Reds’ answer? Move your best hitter to LF. Now, the best prospect in the system needs a position; the Reds’ answer? Audition him in LF in AAA.
I have a really, really bad feeling about how this all turns out.
"You never know how you look through other people's eyes"
Someone is getting traded
and that’s not necessarily a bad thing, as long as it is not Votto.
Definitely a good argument.
what about
Chris Duncan and Jim Edmonds
"There is no harder thing than to have Glenn Beck outlive your child."-The Onion
by justin007000 on Nov 30, 2009 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
according to...
…Sheldon, Jocketty says he doesn’t want to trade the young guys.
My Winter Meetings preview story will roll out on Wednesday morning but I have some information to pass along a little early.I spoke with Reds GM Walt Jocketty this morning and here are the highlights:
● It appears the Reds will not be cutting payroll significantly for 2010 as previously speculated on some media outlets.
“I think it [the payroll] will be close to what it was last year,” Jocketty said.
Keep in mind, that doesn’t mean there won’t be some tough decisions coming. The Reds payroll was $73 million in 2009. They have already committed over $64 million to nine players for 2010. Does that mean some players could still be moved to meet payroll?
“I don’t want to talk about that,” Jocketty said. “I’m still working on it.”
● The Reds are still looking to strengthen their offense and according to Jocketty, possibly to add a fifth starter.
● In trade talks with other clubs, there has been a familiar stopping point.
“I’ve had some talks with clubs and it seems everyone wants our young players and I don’t want to deal those guys,” Jocketty said.
● There were no talks last week between the Reds and the agents for arbitration eligible outfielder Jonny Gomes. It was hoped that talks could continue during the meetings. Teams must tender contract offers by Dec. 12.
MLB Trade Rumors had this to say:
Jocketty has a tall order ahead of him, improving the team despite a complete lack of payroll space. Committing $3MM to Ramon Hernandez was a questionable start. At this point Jocketty can only create flexibility by trading Aaron Harang, Bronson Arroyo, Francisco Cordero, or Arthur Rhodes.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
If this fuckin fool pays money to a josh foggian pitcher
and blocks Matt Maloney out….
"There is no harder thing than to have Glenn Beck outlive your child."-The Onion
by justin007000 on Nov 30, 2009 7:45 PM EST up reply actions
5th pitcher?
The reds need a 2nd or 3rd pitcher, they have plenty of 5th pitchres.
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
really?
explain
"There is no harder thing than to have Glenn Beck outlive your child."-The Onion
by justin007000 on Nov 30, 2009 9:11 PM EST up reply actions
oh, come on
you know what I mean. They can get the ~250 IP out of Maloney, Wood, LeCure, Owings, and Volquez (upon his retunr) at a ~5.00 ERA level. They can get ~380 IP out of Cueto and Bailey at a ~4.6 level. And then there’s Arroyo and Harang. So you either hope that Bailey or Cueto can become a front-of-the-line horse, Harang rebounds something fierce, AND Arroyo doesn’t fall off too far, if all you’re looking for is depth.
It’s not like they’re going to get a front of the line horse through FA or trades, the Reds have much greater needs. But I just get grumpy at the “ifs” game
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
no i was agreeing with you
this whole talk of the Reds trading Harang or Arroyo has me scratchin’ the ol’ noodle. the Ace is out for next season, so alls we have left are mid-back-of-the-rotation types and prospects who have yet to actualize their potential.
so im with ya buddy.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 1, 2009 7:58 PM EST up reply actions
oh. well. in that case
Cinnamon Toast Kugel is pretty much your standard kugel, but with a layer of CTC and sour cream stuck to the top (perhaps in the middle, too, but it can be overpowering).
And do you pronounce it “koo-gul” or “kuh-gul”?
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
i pronounce it "kuh-gul"
but either way you say it, it sounds delicious.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 2, 2009 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
I think Sheldon and co. are adding in the Hernandez contract incorrectly
$2MM plus the option means $63MM total committed. By my count, they have $10MM to spend. Tendering contracts to the non-arb eligible would cost a minimum of $5.6MM. If Gomes gets $3MM and Burton $1MM that’s $9MM, rounding up.
If spending stays level, I think the Reds could retain Gomes and still have a little money to throw at a re-tread.
Yeah, those guys and the Cincinnati Reds. They're a terrible football team. / Because they're a baseball team? / Exactly. You know who's the worst football team? The Philadelphia Flyers. - Best Show
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Nov 30, 2009 9:10 PM EST up reply actions
I think there's a major trade sometime before Opening Day 2011
They might be looking to flip some propsects for pitching, what with Harang and/or Arroyo most likely gone by some means in the next year – and Cueto/Volquez/Bailey still with major question marks.
But I also think they’re banking on Frazier being the most MLB-ready bat who could play a position of greatest need (LF) as soon as this season. I don’t think it’s crazy to think that they’re considering both Francisco and Frazier to inherit 3B. I see no reason why he can’t be moved to 3B in the event of logjam. Which there will be with Votto and Alonso at 1B, Frazier and Francisco in the mix at 3B and Frazier, Francisco, Heisey, Gomes, Balentien and Dickerson all possibilities in LF. It’s hard to speculate about trades without knowing the return, but I think they trade Alonso or Frazier at their peril. Sticking Alonso at 1B, Frazier at 3B and moving Votto to LF in ’11 is the best chance this team has for reliable, cost-controlled production.
Yeah, those guys and the Cincinnati Reds. They're a terrible football team. / Because they're a baseball team? / Exactly. You know who's the worst football team? The Philadelphia Flyers. - Best Show
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Nov 30, 2009 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
Yeabut
My concern is that Votto will be showcased because he’ll bring the most in return, and is arb eligible earlier.
The past 12 months have really soured me on the Reds’ front office. I’ve come to expect them to do the stupidest thing, no matter what the situation.
"You never know how you look through other people's eyes"
I'm not concerned about that
I think they realize what they’ve got in Votto. The only thing that we don’t know is what his psychological issues have done to his reputation within the organization. I’m not willing to believe that they are dumb enough to trade their best hitter simply because he’s going to start making $4-$10 million over the next 3 years.
Definitely a good argument.
I think this year is his test
If he stays healthy and on the field, he’s probably staying. If something happens again, I bet they trade him.
If I hear the word 'perky' again, I'll puke
And they should have plenty of payroll space to accomodate him after this season
They’re in an enviable spot for 2011 as I think the incoming prospect class syncs up reasonably well. Cozart or Valaika could be ready in addition to the above mentioned. There’s no reason this team shouldn’t be cheap, good and relatively sustainable after this season. If they hang on to their high level position players through this year, they can pick the cream of the crop after another season of AAA. You could debate whether they should flip Francisco and Frazier, but I think the general idea is sound: Find a spot for all your best guys to play everyday at AAA and by September you should have a pretty good idea of how the team shakes out for ’11. Put together a playoff team in 2011, revenues go up, Phillips and CoCo are off the books and you can make lifelong Reds of Votto and Bruce.
Yeah, those guys and the Cincinnati Reds. They're a terrible football team. / Because they're a baseball team? / Exactly. You know who's the worst football team? The Philadelphia Flyers. - Best Show
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Nov 30, 2009 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
Their pitching staff is fairly average in 2011
even if they keep Harang and Arroyo. Either or both of those guys will likely be below average pitchers in 2011. Volquez will be coming off of TJ surgery, so I wouldn’t expect him to be dominant. Hopefully Cueto and Bailey will both be lights out, but neither has done enough so far to warrant such an assumption. Maybe they can win with a mediocre staff, or maybe they’ll have some money to go pick up a good starter (doubtful), but their youth doesn’t have everything covered yet.
Definitely a good argument.
The payroll space gives them options
And the surplus in position players covers the pitching needs inasmuch as they have some tradeable prospects to showcase this season. That’s probably a better option than the FA route, where they’ll likely overpay for too many years and find themselves hamstrung by another Eric Milton or CoCo Cordero. There’s also a chance that something on the order of Harang, Volquez, Cueto, Bailey, (Wood/Maloney/Owings) could be enough for ’11.
I agree that the youngsters don’t have it covered yet, but I hope they hold the line by keeping free agent activity and guaranteed money to a minimum. When some of these guys inevitably flop, they’ll have the means to acquire talent from outside the system and desperately overpaying second-rate free agents.
Yeah, those guys and the Cincinnati Reds. They're a terrible football team. / Because they're a baseball team? / Exactly. You know who's the worst football team? The Philadelphia Flyers. - Best Show
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Nov 30, 2009 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
"rather than" desperately overpaying second-rate free agents
Yeah, those guys and the Cincinnati Reds. They're a terrible football team. / Because they're a baseball team? / Exactly. You know who's the worst football team? The Philadelphia Flyers. - Best Show
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Nov 30, 2009 3:03 PM EST up reply actions
i'd say the first half of 2009 indicated that Cueto is capable of being lights out
lets see what he does after not pitching in winter ball.
"There is no harder thing than to have Glenn Beck outlive your child."-The Onion
by justin007000 on Nov 30, 2009 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
With the pitching foibles this team has seen for the past 15 years
I never expect things to come together, but on paper the rotation – with a healthy Volquez – could be elite in ‘11. Cueto, Bailey and Volquez all have #1/#2 upside. I’d expect keeping Harang around would provide at least 4th starter production. If Wood, Maloney and Owings all flop, you’ve got the money and prospects to sign someone (likely to be a mistake contract, though hopefully not immediately) or trade, possibly at the deadline.
Yeah, those guys and the Cincinnati Reds. They're a terrible football team. / Because they're a baseball team? / Exactly. You know who's the worst football team? The Philadelphia Flyers. - Best Show
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Nov 30, 2009 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
plus Arroyo could still be around in 2011
6 starting pitchers, nice depth considering it seems like one is always injured.
"There is no harder thing than to have Glenn Beck outlive your child."-The Onion
by justin007000 on Nov 30, 2009 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
Keeping both
puts the Reds gauranteed payroll at $48MM for 2011, before tendering and arb raises, most notably to Votto, Masset and Cueto. Assuming both Cordero and Phillips stick around and the payroll stays level, picking up the option on Harang and Arroyo would leave the Reds with about $10-$12MM to spend.
They can afford to pay both, but if all goes well with Volquez, Bailey and Cueto, I think they only need to pick one – or neither – based on their health and production in 2010. Clear out as much gauranteed money as you can so you can lock up Votto and possibly Bruce and make one or two well-placed free agent signings or trades.
Yeah, those guys and the Cincinnati Reds. They're a terrible football team. / Because they're a baseball team? / Exactly. You know who's the worst football team? The Philadelphia Flyers. - Best Show
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Nov 30, 2009 5:08 PM EST up reply actions
plus leake could be ready by then...
or someone could surprise us….. lotzkar, klinker,sulburan,ravin… they could dominate in 10 and be knocking on the door in 11. you never know
"strikeouts are a lot sexier than groundouts"
Dude, I thought we were out after 2010?
I was set to follow you out the door and now I find you’re telling the pilot to circle the target again!?
Or are you….
the reds are like an abusive spouse
we think if we give them just a little more time they will get better, and we will regret it if we leave them.
"There is no harder thing than to have Glenn Beck outlive your child."-The Onion
by justin007000 on Dec 1, 2009 12:23 AM EST up reply actions
Or a consistently bad recurring hangover
You drink because it makes the hangover go away. Until you wake up again the following morning. Then you drink again….you get the idea.
by Danimal, Destroyer of Worlds on Dec 1, 2009 3:49 AM EST up reply actions
So true, Justin
I’ve been coming back year after year since 1999. I can still remember Jose dominate the A’s in Game 4. By the time my son is grown I imagine he will ask why I saddled him with this burden. After all, we live in Indy and he could have been a Cards fan.
or a Cubs fan
are there many Cubs fans in Indy, I just assumed they were because one time when I was driving through Indianapolis I found a Cubs game on local radio.
The Indians parent team is the Pirates, you could make him a Pirates fan.
"There is no harder thing than to have Glenn Beck outlive your child."-The Onion
by justin007000 on Dec 1, 2009 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
Tons and tons of Cub fans.
But, if he’s angry at me for making him a Reds fan, how would I make any happier if I made him a Cubs fan.
They are, without a doubt, the saddest baseball fans in the world.
but they have the bears
oh right.
"There is no harder thing than to have Glenn Beck outlive your child."-The Onion
"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san
by BK on Dec 1, 2009 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
Rough trade from what I hear
I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly.
Winston Churchill
John Fay's Q & A should be called 'Q & Fay.'
That is all.
"If you have a spaceship and are looking for a hilarious astronaut with an irregular heartbeat and thirty million dollars, I am prepared to leave as soon as tomorrow."
by Fat Vegas Alan on Nov 30, 2009 12:11 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Here's hoping Wayne hires some new front office consultants.
"If you have a spaceship and are looking for a hilarious astronaut with an irregular heartbeat and thirty million dollars, I am prepared to leave as soon as tomorrow."
by Fat Vegas Alan on Nov 30, 2009 12:27 PM EST reply actions
Uh... Walt.
I evidently have my own way back problems.
"If you have a spaceship and are looking for a hilarious astronaut with an irregular heartbeat and thirty million dollars, I am prepared to leave as soon as tomorrow."
by Fat Vegas Alan on Nov 30, 2009 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
You know what really annoys me?
I’ve been trying all week to get a Pandora station of high-energy prog rock to wake me up in the morning, and yet Pandora still won’t stop trying to give me death metal.
COMMON!
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
You should just try coffee and Diet Dew.
"If you have a spaceship and are looking for a hilarious astronaut with an irregular heartbeat and thirty million dollars, I am prepared to leave as soon as tomorrow."
by Fat Vegas Alan on Nov 30, 2009 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
you too?
i thought i was the only one!
by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 30, 2009 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
You know what really annoys me?
That this really should be a FanShot.
by Brian B on Nov 30, 2009 2:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Fay asks why Willy isn't going to Redsfest
via teh Fay…. If I were Willy Taveras I wouldn’t go to Redsfest either, he isn’t exactly the most popular Red, and probably doesn’t want to be harrassed by some asshole who decides to make it personal that the Reds gave Taveras too much money.
"There is no harder thing than to have Glenn Beck outlive your child."-The Onion
If Justin were Willy Tavares...
This seems like something Madville could pick up and run with.
"If you have a spaceship and are looking for a hilarious astronaut with an irregular heartbeat and thirty million dollars, I am prepared to leave as soon as tomorrow."
by Fat Vegas Alan on Nov 30, 2009 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
Too bust helping out with andomache's baseball novel.
Although I truly believe that if Justin focuses his energy on hitting and worked at , he will out hit TV. So move Justin to 1B,
Joeh to LF, Frazier to 2B and BP to SS. Done. World Series.
What that’s? Dusty’s in a coma…
I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly.
Winston Churchill
errr that's to BUSY not too busty
I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly.
Winston Churchill
i was a terrible hitter in little league
i always stepped in the bucket when the pitcher started to wind up. I didn’t want to get hit, and those guys had no control…
"There is no harder thing than to have Glenn Beck outlive your child."-The Onion
by justin007000 on Nov 30, 2009 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
I was a terrible hitter in T-Ball......
First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...
FAIL!
"If you have a spaceship and are looking for a hilarious astronaut with an irregular heartbeat and thirty million dollars, I am prepared to leave as soon as tomorrow."
by Fat Vegas Alan on Nov 30, 2009 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
I'm pretty curious to see how the OF falls out
— especially if they end up singing Gomes and do in fact have Heisey currently atop the depth chart in LF. Even if they cut Willy, they still have to trade/non-tender Wlad or keep Heisey in AAA. I think the most prudent move is start Heisey out in AAA no matter what. If he’s still breaking down the door and Stubbs, Wlad and/or C-Dick aren’t cutting it, it’s time to make a trade.
Yeah, those guys and the Cincinnati Reds. They're a terrible football team. / Because they're a baseball team? / Exactly. You know who's the worst football team? The Philadelphia Flyers. - Best Show
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Nov 30, 2009 4:40 PM EST reply actions
Hey does anyone know if Pete's new GF is named Carolyn?
Although I’m sure she’s very nice…she looks rode hard and put away wet…not too mention rather artificially bulbous.
http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/00GS59kdaL7gQ/610×.jpg
I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly.
Winston Churchill
what? Those udders completely go with her body type.
It’s fun to see news like this while 2/3 through The Machine, which quotes like “Pete’s wife was pretty sure he was cheating on her on the road.”
Yes. Yes he was.
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
Hey, I don't know if they CAME with her body type.
But don’t try to tell me they don’t GO with her.
Hummina hummina.
"If you have a spaceship and are looking for a hilarious astronaut with an irregular heartbeat and thirty million dollars, I am prepared to leave as soon as tomorrow."
by Fat Vegas Alan on Nov 30, 2009 5:44 PM EST up reply actions
You gotta go w/Holstein for big 'uns
I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly.
Winston Churchill
hmmm
Frazier – Shortstop first. Or maybe 2nd and move BP
Rose’s bimbo – Does this remind anyone else of the movie Cobb?
Taveras – What ever grade it is it is one step above Corey Patterson and that sucks.
Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.
Patterson actually had an OPS+ of 50 in 2008
and Taveras’s 2009 OPS+ was 48.
"There is no harder thing than to have Glenn Beck outlive your child."-The Onion
by justin007000 on Nov 30, 2009 7:48 PM EST up reply actions
Willy Taveras 2009 wOBA: .259
Corey Patterson 2008 wOBA: .250
Next time on whose shit stinks worse….
Definitely a good argument.
like whores arguing which one is more virtuous
Nobody listens to Andrew
by nlt-andrew68 on Nov 30, 2009 8:01 PM EST up reply actions
I see Chip Caray is leaving TBS
I let my mind wander to the possibility of a Caray/Cowboy booth next year… It was not a happy thought.
"If it wasn't this, it'd be something else."
Red's BizarroWorld
is a strange place to be in. Everyone agrees (or should agree) that our present SS is completely inadequately offensively esp. on a team which lacked sufficient offense last year and we have a player who’s been hitting very well in the minors and also playing above average defense at SS according to what measures we have. So we intend to move him to ANOTHER position, most probably one where we already have players much superior offensively to our present SS. This makes sense how again?
My favorite part of your run on sentence..
..is when you abbreviated “especially.”
"If you have a spaceship and are looking for a hilarious astronaut with an irregular heartbeat and thirty million dollars, I am prepared to leave as soon as tomorrow."
by Fat Vegas Alan on Nov 30, 2009 8:36 PM EST up reply actions
the grammar gestapo at RR.
As much as I love you, sincerely, I do believe you’re lashing the sea:
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
by Cy Schourek on Dec 1, 2009 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, I know.
It was pretty much a cheap shot. And condescending nitpicking on style is not my usual condescending style but the unorthodox abbrev. in the middle of that grammarhea was so tasty and ironical that I impulsively jumped on it.
Mostly I just wanted Gray to think I was cool.
"If you have a spaceship and are looking for a hilarious astronaut with an irregular heartbeat and thirty million dollars, I am prepared to leave as soon as tomorrow."
by Fat Vegas Alan on Dec 1, 2009 5:46 PM EST up reply actions
but now I think you're a tool
you fool.
"There is no harder thing than to have Glenn Beck outlive your child."-The Onion
You are my hero
Even heroes aren’t perfect..although you rarely hear a hero use improper grammer.
For instance when was the last time the Green Horn-ette ended a sentence with a proposition?
TODAY’S SUPERHERO IS BROUGHT TO YOU BY THE LETTER ‘R’
I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly.
Winston Churchill
The problem is, I don't think the Reds see it the same way you do.
If they thought that Frazier had any sort of future as a SS, he’d still be playing there in the minors. The fact that he was predominantly a 3B, LF, and started playing 2B at the end of the season should suggest that the Reds don’t see him as much of a SS. If they did, Luis Bolivar wouldn’t have played there over him when he got to AAA.
"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san
by BK on Nov 30, 2009 9:32 PM EST up reply actions
above average defense at SS according to what measures we have
I’m confused, there are measures that say Frazier is above average defensively at SS?
I love that not even he knew that he scored and he continued to try to put it in - Evilducks
he's going on less than a season's worth of TotalZone #s
we had this conversation in another thread.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 30, 2009 9:51 PM EST up reply actions
I see
SSS indeed. I wouldn’t be against giving him a shot at short, but if the Reds scouts who have actually watched him felt he wasn’t going to fit there it’s hard for me to argue against that.
Exactly.
He needs to be playing there every day in the minors before starting him every day at SS in the majors becomes a viable option.
"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san
by BK on Dec 1, 2009 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
Don't you
have some homework to grade? Picking at the grammar construction of posts on internet sites is really lame.
you know what else is really lame?
not using the ‘reply’ button.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 30, 2009 9:35 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
when madville does it it is kinda cute
but he is like old enough to be the Pope too.
"There is no harder thing than to have Glenn Beck outlive your child."-The Onion
by justin007000 on Nov 30, 2009 9:44 PM EST up reply actions
I'm fully in support of Pope Madville I
"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san
by BK on Dec 1, 2009 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
What do you mean ...
I am not full of Poop…damn whippersnappers
I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly.
Winston Churchill
I'll give you an 'A'
for the snark.
"If you have a spaceship and are looking for a hilarious astronaut with an irregular heartbeat and thirty million dollars, I am prepared to leave as soon as tomorrow."
by Fat Vegas Alan on Nov 30, 2009 9:40 PM EST up reply actions
Reds rule
Yeah, those guys and the Cincinnati Reds. They're a terrible football team. / Because they're a baseball team? / Exactly. You know who's the worst football team? The Philadelphia Flyers. - Best Show
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Nov 30, 2009 9:45 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
rec'd
"If you have a spaceship and are looking for a hilarious astronaut with an irregular heartbeat and thirty million dollars, I am prepared to leave as soon as tomorrow."
by Fat Vegas Alan on Nov 30, 2009 10:00 PM EST up reply actions
Soooo...
Tiger Woods drove his SUV into a pole to try to cover up the cat scratches his wife gave him?
I’m coming late to this party so help me out if I’m wrong here.
"If you have a spaceship and are looking for a hilarious astronaut with an irregular heartbeat and thirty million dollars, I am prepared to leave as soon as tomorrow."
Pretty much
And she was “heroic” for bashing in the back of his Escalade with a 3 iron.
"You never know how you look through other people's eyes"
most people would have needed at least a 5 wood
Definitely a good argument.
by Slyde on Nov 30, 2009 10:15 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
So he was trying to cover up damage to his sweet rides?
Or his mug?
Or both?
"If you have a spaceship and are looking for a hilarious astronaut with an irregular heartbeat and thirty million dollars, I am prepared to leave as soon as tomorrow."
by Fat Vegas Alan on Nov 30, 2009 10:19 PM EST up reply actions
He...could have died?
I’m somehow not seeing the emergency, so it seems to make a lot more sense that she bashed it in before he drove into anything. Or maybe at the same time?
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
Gray! It's an emergency!
"If you have a spaceship and are looking for a hilarious astronaut with an irregular heartbeat and thirty million dollars, I am prepared to leave as soon as tomorrow."
by Fat Vegas Alan on Nov 30, 2009 10:33 PM EST up reply actions
From what TMZ and other sites are reporting
He and his wife got into a huge fight after Thanksgiving dinner, after the kids were in bed. She was plecked off because he was having an affair. She scratched his face. He beat feet, trying to escape in his SUV. She followed, breaking the rear window of the vehicle with one of his golf clubs as he drove away. He told a friend he thought he’d stopped the car, and turned around to see what she was doing. But the car kept going, and hit the hydrant, then the tree.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Must be nice to be a professional athlete in peak physical condition.
After I put the kids to bed I don’t have the energy to fight with the wife.
"If you have a spaceship and are looking for a hilarious astronaut with an irregular heartbeat and thirty million dollars, I am prepared to leave as soon as tomorrow."
by Fat Vegas Alan on Nov 30, 2009 10:35 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The funny part is that I don't hate prospects and I didn't even vote for the option named for me
For the last time (whom am I kidding), what I’m tired of is counting on prospects to improve the 2010 team. As Jay and countless others mlb players show, it ain’t easy contributing until one learns the ropes. Frazier should play second, since they are going to trade Brandon in the next two years. I’m not sure Frazier’s bat really plays that well in left
wait a minute...
i just want to make sure im reading you right. what youre saying is, you hate prospects? is that right?
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 1, 2009 8:30 AM EST up reply actions
I'm saying I love you for doing Reposters
But, if the 2010 Reds are gonna be competitive, it’s because in their third and fourth years of MLB experience, Jay and Homer dominate and Joey’s third season is as nice as his second (exceptions to every rule, see Fred Lynn) and Cueto’s third season is consistently healthy and good and Scott Rolen discovers health and keeps from watching Adam Rosales’s second year.
I think we undervalue their trade possibilities. Like in three years when no one knows who Zack Stewart is (a prediction I will deny making if he ever makes good)
look, I'm at work and people are staring at me for the laughter
so, stop it….
or, I’ll do a fan post about how college bookstores f*ck the poor college student!
only the pretty nursing students
bada bing!
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 1, 2009 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
the education majors are pretty too
and usually not that bright…
Just don’t leave them out.
"There is no harder thing than to have Glenn Beck outlive your child."-The Onion
by justin007000 on Dec 1, 2009 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
playing the odds
From the group of:
Alonso
Bruce
Frazier
Valaika
Francisco
Heisey
Stubbs
I would guess at least 3 of them fail to live up to our hopes for them. Pre-2009, Sickels did not give any of them a grade higher than B+, which means they “have a good chance to enjoy a successful major league career.” El Nino and Heisey are C+’s, which means don’t be surprised if they end up as bench players.
All this is to say, it’s too early to trade any of these guys. The good news is, there are probably 3 of them that are excellent ball players in 2-4 years, and we should keep them all until they sort themselves out.
"The USA despite its flaws and corruption and overall messiness is still a great and powerful instrument of freedom and hope for the entire world." - Madville
I like his C grade players
as they may have fine major league career like Bronson Arroyo and Derrek Lowe, or they may suck like Jimmy Anderson.
"There is no harder thing than to have Glenn Beck outlive your child."-The Onion
by justin007000 on Dec 1, 2009 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
Or, is it just right
see D’Angelo Jimenez, a guaranteed, can’t miss, A+ Yankee switch-hitting middle infield prospect who was dealt and had a very undistinguished MLB career.
I say if some GM thinks Heisy is the next Matt Holliday, that now would be a perfect time to trade he and Maloney for a serviceable player*
*I only did the Maloney thing to needle Justin
Jimeneze was in a car accident that hurt his back
He wasn’t the same player after that, he was moved from SS to 2B because he lost his range. So he isn’t the best example. Or I guess you can say he is an excellent example because off the field issues can effect players, Hamilton, Jenks, etc. So careers can be derailed or ended not due to lack of talent or failure to develop, or on the field injuries, but do to personal issues, or freak off the field injuries.
"There is no harder thing than to have Glenn Beck outlive your child."-The Onion
I know about the car accident. I'm just giving an example of a hyped prospect
When they had soriano, they pimped D’Angelo, made a big deal about how he would recover fully and then traded him for a decent middle reliever.
See here:
Jimenez looked like a steal when the Padres acquired him from the Yankees for Jay Witasick in June 2001. He had been one of the game’s top shortstop prospects before breaking his neck in January 2000 when his car hit a bus in his native Dominican Republic. After his return, he was blocked by New York’s middle infield of Derek Jeter and Alfonso Soriano. The trade to San Diego gave him a chance to blossom, but he didn’t make the most of it as he didn’t hit much and showed inferior range at shortstop that prompted his move to second base. The Padres traded him to the White Sox last July for nondescript minor leaguers Alex Fernandez and Humberto Quintero.
From a Jim Callis baseball America report. See, you can deal a non-prospect for a legit major league arm. Let’s trade Heisy and Yonder for a decent starter right now and get a head start on the 2011 team (soon to be the 2013 and then wait ‘til 2015. Personally, I’m excited to make 2020 jokes: “In hindsight, it didn’t require perfect vision to see….”)
I can give several examples where trading the prospect for the proven player fails too
would you like me to?
Definitely a good argument.
"If you have a spaceship and are looking for a hilarious astronaut with an irregular heartbeat and thirty million dollars, I am prepared to leave as soon as tomorrow."
by Fat Vegas Alan on Dec 1, 2009 11:18 PM EST up reply actions
My personal favorite is Billy Swift, Mike Jackson, and Dave Burba for Kevin Mitchell
who was not batman and all three arms were young, cheap and good.
Remind again why you think exceptions prove a rule. Why is it that whenever I read a transactions column the analyst believe flipping minor league talent for organizational weaknesses, especially over-hyped minor league players (NOTE I have never seen Heisy play, so I have no idea if he is over-hyped or not. All I know is his numbers were sure pretty and the organization has a million first basemen/left fielders/third basemen). But, when that point is made here without the hyperbole, you want to debate the issue.
BP’s entire write up on Jocketty in last year’s preview book was about how he dealt with a similar situation in St. Louis when he took over and there were four OF’s. Knowing when and whom to deal is important and someone, as you noted, has to be moved.
"Remind again why you think exceptions prove a rule."
You gave one example and called it the rule. I was just offering to do the same from the other side.
I don’t believe there is a strict rule either way. Some prospects are made to be traded, some are made to be key pieces in an organization. The Yankees had both Soriano and Jimenez. Both were hyped. They dealt one and kept one. They were successful because they chose the right one. That’s the key.
You seem to be jaded about prospects to the point that a hyped prospect is a failed prospect, so deal ’em while you can. A team with a limited budget will never have a shot of building a solid foundation with that attitude.
Definitely a good argument.
"They dealt one and kept one."
Yeah, the deal is hyping both of them and trading the bad one.
See, we agree almost all the time. it’s why don’t understand the sniping. I have no opinion on Heisey, except that he put up great numbers. I admitted to not knowing whether he is a capable major league player or not. All I pointed out, is, if you are using the ratings system by Sickels and company and the organization decides this season was a fluke, then this is his high-water mark and he could be traded. Choosing between the hyped and the hyped and talented is the mark of a good GM.
As you know, the 2011/2012 team cannot look like this
Stubbs CF
Heisey LF
Votto 1B
Phillips 2B
Frazier LF
Alsonso 1B
Francisco LF/3B
Cozart SS
Bruce RF
Number one, ‘cause that’s more than eight guys. Number two, because this team finds itself at a crossroads of having some good young hitters in the high minors and no 1-2 starters in the high minors* and a mediocre major league team. There’s no way to improve the MLB team through spending (thank YOU, Scott Rolen), so being bold and making a trade seems like the right move.
‘Course, it’s got to be the right trade. For god’s sake, you don’t just go to a meeting to make a deal.
To conclude in a somewhat shorter fashion: we agree, so why you frontin’ me?
*I remain unsold on Wood, given his stuff and flyball tendencies. I bet he’d make a good 3-4 starter in a big park, but not in GABP. Of course, I would have said the same thing about Glavine too.
Mike Leake may be that guy, but I’m betting he’s at least two healthy full season away from even being close to a call-up
I didn't feel like I was sniping
and I’m not fighting the idea of trading Heisey. I was simply responding to your use of a single example of a player as a reason to trade prospects by pointing out that those can backfire too (Bagwell and Smoltz are two prominent examples, but I’m sure if I dug far enough I could find some guys who weren’t all stars but were still very good contributors).
The problem with the plan is that the Reds don’t have the right kind of prospects to turn into a frontline pitcher. What they really need to happen is for Cueto and/or Bailey to develop into that type of pitcher and to use the prospects either to fill offensive holes themselves or to be traded for someone who will. The real issue is that their long-term needs are most teams’ long-term needs – pitching and talented skill position players. I’m not sure they have the prospect quality to acquire a cheap skill player or pitcher. They have the depth of players to fill a roster with Major League contributors over the next 5 years, but I’m not sure they have any real All Stars in the bunch right now, which shouldn’t be surprising since they have 4 players who have come up in the last 2 years with that pedigree.
So, unless they feel a player’s street value is much higher than his actual value, I think they are better off just sitting on prospects right now because I doubt they can turn any of them into a player this off-season that will single-handedly reshape the team into a serious contender. Unfortunately, their best option is probably just to continue to let the young players grow and let the cream rise. Then maybe in July, if the big league team is still in it, they could have more value to a team that is dumping a future free agent that can fill a hole for the Reds.
Probably the most important thing though is to not sign any big, long contracts this off-season. Let the young players mature and then use your extra money to fill holes rather than spending money and wishing you had cheap players to fill holes.
Definitely a good argument.
Well-said
Although I wonder about the use of the Smoltz trade. Both team got exactly what they were looking for in that deal, as without Alexander the Tigers may not win their division. It’s all they were looking for in that trade. Which brings to mind a hypothetical, can a trade be a complete success for your team and you STILL lose it.
In the end, you and I disagree about only one thing. I know you want the Reds to be competitive, but I think they should do what they need to and be competitive (if the right deal is available). Patience? Hah, I scoff at patience.
I say if Hamilton can get me Volquez, then a hyped prospect and Matt Maloney and Chris Dickerson (all for examples) should get me something decent.
Re: sniping. It’s okay, ’cause you know some day I will do it to you and then have to feign innocence.
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