Harang and Arroyo: What a Difference a Defense Can Make
Bronson Arroyo led the Reds' starters in wins, ERA, and innings pitched in 2009. Aaron Harang led the Reds in losses and has managed just 12 wins over the last two seasons. What if I told you that the biggest difference between those two pitchers last year was something that is largely out of their control?
As Justin showed yesterday, the Reds were arguably the best defensive team in the National League in 2009, but oddly enough, Harang saw very little benefit from that improved defense. Out of all qualified pitchers, Harang finished dead last in the National League in Defensive Efficiency Ratio (DER) at .669. Arroyo on the other hand had the 5th best ratio at .735. This means that out of every 100 balls that were put into play (not counting home runs), the Reds defense turned 6.6 more of them into outs for Arroyo than they did for Harang. That may not seem like a ton until you realize that batters put the ball into play 514 times against Harang and 722 times against Arroyo last season. Those numbers add up quickly.
This is not to say that none of it is Harang's fault. The big right-hander did have the highest Line Drive allowed rate in the Majors at 24% and his ground ball rate of 34% was much lower than Arroyo's 44% GB rate. But those numbers still don't seem like enough of a reason for the dramatic 30+ play difference in the two pitcher's numbers. So I did a little mathematical experiment.
Using the batted ball data from Baseball Reference's splits page, let's compare each player's BABIP to the team's BABIP for each batted ball type. We're using BABIP, which is more or less 1 - DER, because BBRef does not include reached on error within the pitcher splits.
| Arroyo | Harang | Reds overall | ||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| BIP | BABIP | BIP | BABIP | BIP | BABIP | |
| GB | 321 | .209 | 177 | .299 | 1889 | .237 |
| FB | 242 | .090 | 200 | .148 | 1642 | .111 |
| LD | 145 | .660 | 121 | .702 | 908 | .690 |
| Bunt | 14 | .400 | 16 | .200 | 103 | .262 |
You can see here that Arroyo has had the fortune of many more of his batted balls being turned into outs across the board. His BABIP outperforms the rest of the Reds team in every single category except for the tiny sample of bunts, most of which are sacrifice hits. If you subscribe to the DIPS theory that pitchers have very little control over what happens to a ball once it is put into play, then you can see that Arroyo benefited dramatically from defensive help much more than Harang did.
What's that look like from a runs perspective? If we use wRAA (runs above average based on wOBA) for our estimator, we see that Arroyo, based on actual values, was about 9 runs better than the average pitcher while Harang was about 7 runs worse than the average pitcher. If we adjust each pitcher's BABIP lines per batted ball type to match the Reds' team average in each type (exchanging only singles and outs, leaving all extra base hits the same), Arroyo's wRAA changes to 3.5 runs below the average pitcher while Harang moves to 7 runs better than average. That's a -12.5 run shift for Arroyo and a +14 run shift for Harang, all simply by leveling out the defensive success behind them. I'll admit that it was a much bigger change than I expected.
Unfortunately, I won't simply take these numbers and adjust ERA because the chain effect of converting a hit into an out and vice versa would adjust the number of innings pitched and the math is too complicated for my small brain. Besides, the point wasn't to argue the quality of each pitcher so much as to demonstrate how two pitchers, pitching for the same team, can get very different support from their defensive teammates and what a dramatic effect that can have on their outcomes. And that's not even mentioning run support. No one should be surprised if Harang is the 15-game winner next year and Arroyo is struggling on a start-by-start basis. Such is the fickle nature of depending on your teammates.
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I always wonder if players ever read anything on this site
because if Harang reads anything this offseason it should be ‘Going Rogue’. But if somehow he is able to resist stabbing his eyes out, he should then read this post.
by jacob brumfield on Nov 24, 2009 10:53 AM EST reply actions
I don't know about this site
but it appears these concepts are starting to make their way into MLB clubhouses as evidenced by Zack Greinke and Brian Bannister’s comments. Then again, maybe it’s only making it’s way into the Royals clubhouse.
Definitely a good argument.
didn't we decide that pronto was actually Homer Bailey?
My bet for Arroyo is jch. Cueto is probably just verka, I guess he’s an activist who doesn’t want to get political when it comes to his baseball. Janish has mad self-esteem problems, so he created the BubbaFan persona to lift him through the dreary days of winter.
So yeah, they all read this site, I’m sure.
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by Cy Schourek on Nov 24, 2009 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
crap, I lied
Bronson is the activist, not Johnny.
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
by Cy Schourek on Nov 24, 2009 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
Bronson and I are the same size actually
But I have no musical talent and short hair.
"Santa Claus doesn't use Craigslist." -- 'tHan
so the difference between you is the hair?
like that couldn’t be cut or a wig.
Definitely a good argument.
As barrel E = RISP. Its pretty easy to see why the Red's defense is hurting Harang.
Barrel D (Taveris) + Jannish = Pump A (Arroyo) + Harang = High Starts
With Pipe B = Hanigan’s RBI total + Pipe C (Arroyo’s hash pipe) = Battery (A)+ a High charge – low electical flow = poorer defense when Aaron Harang is on the mound.

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by justin007000 on Nov 24, 2009 1:19 PM EST up reply actions
time between pitches
have you considered looking to see if Arroyo is a quicker worker on the mound than Harang is. The defense will usually play better for a pitcher that deals quickly from the mound.
Time between pitches are tough data to come by.
Might be in the gameday files, though. Slyde’s done more with them—any ideas? If time of each pitch data are in those datafiles, It’d be pretty easy to do a quick and dirty BABIP vs. Avg Time between pitches assessment. A lot tougher to do this with a good fielding stat, but maybe it’d be possible with something like TotalZone.
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Mike Fast looked at this a year and a half ago
and appears to have found very little correlation between how fast a pitcher works and the resulting defensive efficiency behind him. On his own site, he listed the working times of all of the pitchers he looked at. Granted this is only for a couple of months in 2008 season, but Arroyo did work faster than Harang by about 1.1 seconds per pitch on average. I think both Arroyo and Harang are fairly quick workers, so I have a hard time believing that we’ll find any real disparity based on the speed that they work, but if I get a chance, I’ll look it up.
FWIW, if I had the batted ball splits broken out, I probably could have done this same analysis on Arroyo alone. His BABIP in the first half was .289 while his BABIP in the 2nd half was .245. I imagine that a good portion of that difference is based upon more defensive help, though I have no data right now to back that claim up.
Definitely a good argument.
Nice work Slyde, you and other Justin provide excellent origianal content.
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Nov 24, 2009 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
that goes without saying
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by justin007000 on Nov 24, 2009 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
See above chart re: poor defense = less quality starts for Harang.
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I don’t subscribe to the full DIPS theory that pitchers have little-to-no control over what happens to a ball in play. I don’t believe that they have total control either. There is an element of luck, good & bad. I think there are several things that play into the differences between Harang and Arroyo.
Things he can control
- Line drive rate. I think that is the one thing that DIPS misses out on. A significantly higher line drive rate, highest in the majors, could imply that his groundballs and flyballs were also hit harder than the average GB or FB, giving the defense less time to respond/react.
Things beyond his control
- Luck. We’re talking about a small sample for each starter. We see it with run support all the time. In 2008, the Reds offense gave Arroyo 5.1 runs per game and Harang 3.5 runs per game.
- Defensive lineups. At the beginning of the season, Janish was getting 1 start per week on Arroyo’s start. Hanigan caught him a lot more. Harang missed the end of the season and didn’t benefit from a regular infield with Rolen & Janish. I looked at defensive lineups for the two starters on baseball-reference.com:
Arroyo – % of starts by position
- C – Hanigan 73%
- 1B – Votto 82%
- SS – Janish 45%
- 3B – Rolen 24%
- CF – Taveras 55%
Harang – % of starts by position
- C – Hanigan 42%
- 1B – Votto 69% (Hernandez 27%)
- SS – Janish 19% (Gonzalez 62%)
- 3B – Rolen 0%
- CF – Taveras 85%
by GregD on Nov 25, 2009 9:56 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
very interesting
one more reason for Harang to scratch Dusty off his Christmas card mailing list.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 25, 2009 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
Good stuff
I was trying my best to shy away from “blaming” the defense per se, just trying to say that if the defense had been able to make as many plays for Harang as they did for Arroyo, Harang’s numbers would have looked a lot different. That’s not to say that Harang necessarily deserved the help. More just trying to point out that there is a lot of stuff that can happen out of the pitcher’s control, that can change the public perception of the quality of the pitcher. Even if he is giving up more hard hit balls, it’s still possible over the course of a season that he can luck into those balls being hit right at people more often than not. Or, like you showed, despite playing on the same team, one pitcher could find himself with lesser defenders working behind him more often than another pitcher.
Thanks for looking up that data. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that Arroyo improved a lot in the 2nd half when Janish & Rolen were covering the right side of the infield.
Definitely a good argument.
is it far to say that Janish, Votto, and Stubbs
helped Arroyo’s ERA drop over the latter portions of the season.
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by justin007000 on Nov 28, 2009 10:43 AM EST up reply actions

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