The Greatest Reds: #100 - #96
As humans, and perhaps especially as American humans, we have an innate desire to make lists-to definitively declare "this movie quote is without question the 38th greatest movie quote of all time." When it comes to baseball, this list-making fondness shifts into overdrive; the numbers and history of the sport practically demand it. Whereas the Cincinnati Reds are still considered a baseball team, and whereas Red Reporter is a certified Internet website, here then is a list of the greatest 100 Reds of all time. Q.E.D.
Before the list kicks off, a brief introduction and explanation: Players are generally ranked using Bill James' Win Shares statistic, although not strictly as a cumulative career Win Shares sorting. Here are some of the parameters used in constructing the top 100:
-All seasons from 1890 forward have been considered. 1890 was the year the Red Stockings joined the National League.
-Player contributions with teams other than Cincinnati have not been considered (sorry, Mr. Mathewson).
-Players have been ranked on career value with the Reds, peak value with the Reds (defined as the sum of the top three seasons as a Red), and prime value with the Reds (defined as the greatest total of five consecutive seasons). All of these factors were then considered in creating a master list.
-Where deemed appropriate, postseason contributions have been included in the data. In no situations were players docked for negative postseason performances.
-Partial extrapolation has been applied to seasons in which the Reds played fewer than 162 games.
-To facilitate even more lists, each player season has been assigned a particular defensive position, and the prevailing defensive position over the player's career is then assigned as that player's position for the purposes of creating top-15 lists at each position. 95%+ of the time, there's nothing "controversial" about the given positions (e.g. Johnny Bench is listed at catcher), but there's a couple that maybe look a little strange. These positional lists will be rolled out as the top player at each position is introduced.
It's probably also appropriate to include a brief note on Win Shares. If you don't know anything about it, it's an elaborate accounting system in which every single win by a team is allocated to the players on that team. While it works reasonably well (i.e. compares favorably to other accepted metrics), it's not without flaws: the baseline (or replacement value) is too low, it's missing contextual information (two players with 100 Win Shares may have accumulated that value over vastly different amounts of playing time), and the defensive value is based on primitive fielding stats-especially as compared to the newer hyper-specific data. There are other, more technical, critiques as well. So, why Win Shares in this setting? Three reasons: 1) the methodology is open-source, and able to be replicated with easily accessible data-important for what is potentially an ongoing project; 2) the defensive metrics are consistent across eras-important when trying to compare across time; and 3) I simply liked the concept of the low replacement value when coming up with a team-based list-the thought being that a player should have a minimum threshold of playing time with the Reds before being considered one of the "elite". Generally speaking, 4-5 seasons are necessary for inclusion in the top 100 here. Given that hurdle, combined with the peak value bonuses, my hope is that the list is a good one.
So, enjoy. Being a Redleg fanatic, you've already come to grips with your own insanity. Here, then, is an opportunity to learn about a player you've never heard of before, or argue about why the 78th best Red should really be ranked 81st, or just share some memories of the guys who have driven you to madness (and occasional joy) over the years.
Counting backwards, radio DJ style, with the first five after the jump...
100. Fred Toney
| Played as Red | Primary Position | Career Rank | Peak Rank | Prime Rank |
| 1915-1918 | SP | 114 | 66 | 96 |
| Percent Breakdown of Value | Best Season | Best player on Reds | ||
| Hit | Field | Pitch | 1915 | Never |
| 0% | 0% | 100% | ||
| Awards/Honors as a Red | Leading the League | On the Reds Leaderboard | ||
| N/A | HR/IP Ratio - 1915 |
- 2nd in career ERA |
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Toney was acquired by the Reds more or less or free: he was nabbed off waivers after being mostly a AA-level pitcher (he had been a non-descript reliever for the Cubs for a few years, totalling a 4-5 record with a 4.02 ERA in 130 IP over 3 seasons). The Reds picked him up for the 1915 season…and he was instantly one of the best pitchers in the league, putting up a 17-6 record with a 1.58 ERA (181 ERA+) in a hybrid starter/reliever role. After 2.5 more seasons, which were slightly above average in quality (including the famous "double no-hitter" against the Cubs), the Reds sold him to the Giants, where he had one more excellent season, and a couple more average ones.
99. Billy Myers
| Played as Red | Primary Position | Career Rank | Peak Rank | Prime Rank |
| 1935-1940 | SS | 95 | 113 | 81 |
| Percent Breakdown of Value | Best Season | Best player on Reds | ||
| Hit | Field | Pitch | 1939 | Never |
| 62% | 38% | 0% | ||
| Awards/Honors as a Red | Leading the League | On the Reds Leaderboard | ||
| N/A | N/A |
- 30th in career sacrifice hits |
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For the first five seasons of his career, Myers was a solid—if unspectacular—player: an average hitter, playing good defense at shortstop. In fact, each season was incrementally better than the last, peaking in 1939, where he dramatically increased his walk total and posted an OPS+ over 100 for the only time in his career. In that season’s World Series, he played very well (929 OPS), despite being swept by the Yankees. In 1940, at age 29, Myers very suddenly fell off the cliff. His OPS+ of 65 and fading defense led to vastly reduced playing time. He did, however, find himself in the starting lineup in game 7 of the World Series against the Tigers, in which Myers hit the go-ahead sacrifice fly in the 7th inning, ultimately clinching the Reds’ 2nd World Championship.
98. Brandon Phillips
| Played as Red | Primary Position | Career Rank | Peak Rank | Prime Rank |
| 2006-2009 | 2B | 104 | 79 | 81 |
| Percent Breakdown of Value | Best Season | Best player on Reds | ||
| Hit | Field | Pitch | 2009 | Never |
| 67% | 33% | 0% | ||
| Awards/Honors as a Red | Leading the League | On the Reds Leaderboard | ||
| Gold Glove - 2008 | N/A |
-21st in career sacrifice flies |
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Phillips was a much heralded prospect with the Expos, turned into a promising future star for the Indians when he was traded along with Cliff Lee and Grady Sizemore for Bartolo Colon. His faded status was evident when the Reds were able to pry him away from the Indians four years later for the infamous player to be named later (Jeff Stevens). Inserted into the starting lineup at 2nd base, and left alone, Phillips has proved himself an above average second sacker—his bat plays at around league average (97 OPS+ in his time with the Reds) and he has a solid glove that at times borders on the spectacular. Phillips adds both power and speed threats to the lineup, totalling at least 20 home runs and 20 steals in each year from 2007 through 2009.
97. Danny Graves
| Played as Red | Primary Position | Career Rank | Peak Rank | Prime Rank |
| 1997-2005 | RP, SP | 96 | 99 | 81 |
| Percent Breakdown of Value | Best Season | Best player on Reds | ||
| Hit | Field | Pitch | 2000 | Never |
| 1% | 0% | 99% | ||
| Awards/Honors as a Red | Leading the League | On the Reds Leaderboard | ||
| Lou Gehrig Memorial Award - 2002 All Star - 2000, 2004 |
N/A |
-1st in career saves |
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Graves was picked up in a six-player trade in 1997 with the Indians, in which he was the only of the six to amount to any significant value from that point forward. The next season, the Reds discovered they had a rubber armed ground-ball specialist who managed to succeed without great stuff or control. His best year (2000) saw a stat line of 10-5, 30 saves, 2.56 ERA (185 ERA+) in 91.1 IP, but only 53 K to go along with the 42 BB. Graves continued as a solid closer until 2003 and a disastrous attempt to transform into a starting pitcher (4-15, 5.33 ERA). By 2005, his arm was toast, and Graves was released.
96. Heinie Peitz
| Played as Red | Primary Position | Career Rank | Peak Rank | Prime Rank |
| 1896-1904 | C,2B | 69 | 165 | 114 |
| Percent Breakdown of Value | Best Season | Best player on Reds | ||
| Hit | Field | Pitch | 1902 | Never |
| 60% | 40% | 0% | ||
| Awards/Honors as a Red | Leading the League | On the Reds Leaderboard | ||
| N/A | N/A |
-46th in career games played |
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The Reds received Peitz from the Browns, principally traded for Ed McFarland, who turned out to be a decent catcher in his own right. Peitz was a utility player of sorts (never appeared in more than 112 games in any season, and played every position except CF over the course of his career), but at most positions exhibited the range of…a catcher, albeit a quicker-than-average one. Peitz’s best year came in the only season where catcher was not his principle position, posting career highs in batting average (.315), doubles (22), and runs (54) en route to a 130 OPS+. He never had another good season, and was traded to Pirates prior to the 1905 season.
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Wow
this is going to be an undertaking of mammoth proportions. I wish you luck, and look forward to reading the rest.
I wonder how high on the list Phillips can get himself with another 2-3 years of production similar to the last 2-3.
I'mma let you finish, but....
by nycredsfan on Nov 2, 2009 12:09 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Players are pretty well bunched at the bottom of this list
If Phillips plays 2010 like the last three years have gone, he’ll jump up 30 slots or so. Diminishing incremental returns after that…but could be top-50 if he has a great year in the next two.
by riverfront76 on Nov 2, 2009 12:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Looking forward to it
I prefer WAR to WS for just about all the reasons you mentioned, plus less than ideal position adjustments and less than ideal run estimation. The baseline issue is a big deal when you’re talking career value, and could be solved by using WSAB.
…But in the grand scheme of things, WS will still result in a pretty similar ranking to WAR. And, really, the point isn’t so much the specific ranking of each player as it is the chance to look back on all of these Reds, right? :) It’s going to be a lot of fun to read.
I’d be interested to hear who just missed the cut. as players #101, 102, and 103. :)
-j
I write at:
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by JinAZ on Nov 2, 2009 12:25 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
What's the deal with WAR2, WAR3?
I don’t hear mention of them anymore. What’s the best metric, in your opinion, to compare players across eras, neutralizing for era and park effects?
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Nov 2, 2009 12:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's WARP2 & WARP3 you're talking about, I think
WARP has been revised lately to better fall in line with what everyone else (including the rest of BPro) does in terms of replacement level baselines. It used to be MUCH too low, lower even than WS. WARP is better than it used to be.
But the best available historical value stat is the one that Rally put together last offseason, which is his version of WAR. Find it at baseballprojection.com. We can go blow by blow on why, but it’s a really fabulous piece of work.
FWIW, here are the WAR ranks for the above players: Toney #62, Myers #80, Graves #155, Peitz #67. Phillips isn’t in the top 200 hitters I pulled because, I think, Rally’s stuff is a bit wonky on him, but by FanGraphs’ WAR he’d rank #87.
-j
I write at:
Beyond the Boxscore | Red Reporter | Basement-Dwellers.com | Twitter: @jinazreds
by JinAZ on Nov 2, 2009 12:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Does Rally's WAR stat
neutralize for park effects? I’m still learning the ropes with sabermetrics, but I haven’t quite grapsed whether comparing players across eras, especially deadball vs. liveball, is actually a comparison of how valuable those players are in each season they played – compared to replacement level that season – or whether it works on a single replacement level across time. It seems like it should standardize for the era in which the player played (by season), while correcting for park effects and inferior competition, if possible.
Also, why the hell is Rabbit Maranville the 307th best position player of all time according to Rally? His stats are mediocre-to-terrible. It seems like below about #150-200 the WAR counting starts throwing some false positives for guys that just stuck around 20+ years.
Yeah, those guys and the Cincinnati Reds. They're a terrible football team. / Because they're a baseball team? / Exactly. You know who's the worst football team? The Philadelphia Flyers. - Best Show
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Nov 2, 2009 1:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
Park effects are adjusted using Rally’s park factors, which are component based, multi-year, and (I think) regressed. And run environment (era) is neutralized by in large, in that everyone is compared relative to league average first (and then replacement level is worked in later).
Replacement level is calculated as 2 wins per full player season. That’s the difference between an average player and a replacement player. How many runs that equates to depends on the run environment, which is different between deadball vs. the 30’s vs. the 2nd deadball era (60’s) vs. the steroid era.
As for your last point, part of what replacement level does is give credit for playing time. That, plus the fact that he played shortstop (position adjustment), is why Rabbit is where he is. WS gives even more credit for playing time, which is one of the reasons I mentioned win shares above bench (WSAB) and is why James is currently developing Loss Shares. If you want to give less credit for playing time than WAR does, you can compare players vs. league average and get rid of replacement altogether. That’s very do-able with Rally’s data, as he provides the replacement column so you can just subtract it away. To do it efficiently for a large number of players, though, you have to buy the database.
-j
I write at:
Beyond the Boxscore | Red Reporter | Basement-Dwellers.com | Twitter: @jinazreds
by JinAZ on Nov 2, 2009 1:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
one last thing
Competition level is not adjusted in rally’s work, nor is WS, WSAB, WARP, etc. It’s very hard to do well. But clearly the players of today should get a bonus because the level of competition is higher now than it ever has been in history (certainly vs. segregation era, for example). Someday we’ll get there.
-j
I write at:
Beyond the Boxscore | Red Reporter | Basement-Dwellers.com | Twitter: @jinazreds
by JinAZ on Nov 2, 2009 1:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Much obliged
The larger philosophical question looms about what question these top player lists are trying to answer. Is it “What players would be most valuable to have across history, if you put them in some neutral space, with the same standard ballpark?” Or is it, “Who were the most valuable players in their own space and time?”
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Nov 2, 2009 4:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd like to see the top 100 Reds ranked by WONKY.
by Brian B on Nov 2, 2009 7:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
This is so effing cool.
Welcome aboard, riverfront, looking forward to the rest of these.
"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san
by BK on Nov 2, 2009 12:34 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
This whole thing sucks!
Sorry, can’t have you going and getting a big head. :)
Seriously though – very cool stuff and I’m with JinAZ, I’d like to see an honorable mention if you have them readily available.
"What the hell are spanks????"
by jch24 on Nov 2, 2009 12:36 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
There is no way Heinie Peitz deserves to be ranked higher than 98th
This list is bogus!
Definitely a good argument.
by Slyde on Nov 2, 2009 12:42 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Good work riverfront76
now back to your cave, you have 95 more players to write up!
Definitely a good argument.
by Slyde on Nov 2, 2009 12:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You remembered to slide some pancakes under the door for him, right?
It IS your week to feed him, after all.
"What the hell are spanks????"
by jch24 on Nov 2, 2009 12:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Excellent, excellent work
I didn’t even know they had waivers in the 1910s… i guess my graduate thesis is down the drain.
Yeah, those guys and the Cincinnati Reds. They're a terrible football team. / Because they're a baseball team? / Exactly. You know who's the worst football team? The Philadelphia Flyers. - Best Show
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Nov 2, 2009 12:44 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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by Madville on Nov 2, 2009 4:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Honorable Mentions
As requested, here’s the next 25…
Milner, Eddie
Suggs, George
Boone, Bret
Chamberlain, Elton
Benton, Rube
Borbon, Pedro
Eller, Hod
Daniels, Kal
Miller, Eddie
Tipton, Eric
Hume, Tom
LaRue, Jason
Wyrostek, Johnny
Schneider, Pete
Riddle, Elmer
Irwin, Charlie
Phillips, Bill
Dibble, Rob
Parrott, Tom
Coleman, Gordy
Johnson, Deron
Jay, Joey
Harper, Tommy
Taubensee, Eddie
Norman, Fred
by riverfront76 on Nov 2, 2009 12:46 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Eddie Miller and Eddie Milner didn't made the cut
but what about Eddie Milmer?
Definitely a good argument.
by Slyde on Nov 2, 2009 12:48 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I expect to see Freddie Wilmer
by Brian B on Nov 2, 2009 7:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, bunch of Reds HOFers on that list
And Jason LaRue. Huh.
"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san
by BK on Nov 2, 2009 12:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That was my exact thought.
Guys like Joey Jay are up there and then I noticed LaRue’s name and nearly shit myself.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Nov 2, 2009 2:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I feel like he made it simply because he played with the Reds for a number of years
LaRue’s war by year
2002:1.7
2003: 2.0
2004: 2.1
2005: 2.9
In 2005 the tandem of LaRue and Valentin added up to have a 5.4 WAR. LaRue and Valentin added up to have well above average offensive production in 2005, but LaRue feel off a cliff in 2006.
i mean sometimes Walt is like a prison shower, you know it is gonna happen, but it isn’t a good thing.
by justin007000 on Nov 2, 2009 4:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Win Shares puts way too much emphasis on getting your uniform dirty
by Brian B on Nov 2, 2009 7:36 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
100 players is a lot
One of the things to keep in mind is that over a 120 year window, and with the obvious overlapping of careers, when you get down to the 100-125 range, the players represent the 5th-10th best players on their respective teams.
by riverfront76 on Nov 2, 2009 4:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought about this
What do Rays/Rockies fans do? A top twenty list?
"What the hell are spanks????"
by jch24 on Nov 2, 2009 5:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i remember seeing something like this over at Purple Row
they were listing best players by position and 1B was Todd Helton, Andres Gallaraga, and then Garrett Atkins, who has played only a season’s worth of games at the position. it must be fun to be a fan of an expansion franchise.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 2, 2009 5:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Assuming they'd do a top 100 list
Quinton McCracken would potentially make the lists of 3 different franchises. Probably all in the honorable mention section.
"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san
by BK on Nov 2, 2009 8:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
/shudders
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Nov 2, 2009 8:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I forgot how good Bret Boone was his first season with Reds
and how good Eddie Taubensee was at the plate in ’99, although he only threw out 15% of base stealers.
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Nov 2, 2009 12:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Taubensee is why I hated Jason LaRue in all of his years as a Red
basically just for not being Eddie.
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
by Cy Schourek on Nov 2, 2009 10:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm a bit shocked to see...
…Pedro Borbon on that list, among others. Joey Jay too? Wow.
by beckryac on Nov 2, 2009 12:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hod Eller . . . and Tom Hume?
Yikes.
by Brian B on Nov 2, 2009 7:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Fred Norman!!
Fred Norman??? I guess he’s a legend only in my mind
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by "Red" Moskau on Nov 4, 2009 8:25 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Billy Myers
Good to see Billy Myers on this list. The Reds from ‘38-’40 were a hell of a team. That ‘39 season you mentioned put him 14th in the MVP voting, but he wasn’t alone. The Reds had 7 players in the top 25 in the MVP voting that year and 3 in the top 5. Obviously they won the World Series in ’40, but that was a heck of a run for the Cincinnati Reds.
No, they weren’t the Big Red Machine. But they could certainly take that team on with some respectable results. The Reds of that ERA had (arguably) the best one-two punch of any pitching staff with Bucky Walters and Paul Derringer. Johnny Vander Meer wasn’t much of a slouch either. The starting 8 for that ‘39 team had 7 guys with OPS+’s over 100.
I look forward to seeing where other Reds of that era fall on this list. Good luck!
by beckryac on Nov 2, 2009 1:01 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I capitalized ERA out of reflex...
…whoops.
by beckryac on Nov 2, 2009 1:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I can't believe that Heinie Peitz is rated so low.
Obviously you didn’t see him play…There are not many guys that can play 2B and C…what a utility player and he played in the dead ball era. Is this what Wilkin Castillo has to look forward to.
I’ll be interested to see what other 2B-C has better Red’s career stats…very interested.
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by Madville on Nov 2, 2009 1:24 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Craig Biggio, MOFO!
"What the hell are spanks????"
by jch24 on Nov 2, 2009 1:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He also played CF.
I hate Houston but Biggio was pretty badass.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. A f*ckin' playground for the cocks*ckers.
-Lee Elia on Cubs fans
by Farneyismycopilot on Nov 2, 2009 2:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
When did Biggio play for the Reds?
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by Madville on Nov 2, 2009 4:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
In my head, for many years
"What the hell are spanks????"
by jch24 on Nov 2, 2009 4:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wilkin Castillo just missed the just miss list.
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
by Cy Schourek on Nov 2, 2009 10:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but we traded a guy who will likely be pretty high on this list to get him
Therefore, he’s awesome!
by Brendanukkah on Nov 3, 2009 1:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I like how Graves has 1% of his value on hitting...
People Don't Kill People. Burning Couches Kill People.
by crolfer on Nov 2, 2009 2:15 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
that home run in Houston
"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander
by Cy Schourek on Nov 2, 2009 10:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I have a legal question for some brave soul in the RR lawyer contigent
If you’re up for it, email me please.
"What the hell are spanks????"
by jch24 on Nov 2, 2009 3:52 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Never mind, I "think" I got it
"What the hell are spanks????"
by jch24 on Nov 2, 2009 3:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
if you put your biscuit in the basket
you have to pay for the bun when it comes out of the oven.
i mean sometimes Walt is like a prison shower, you know it is gonna happen, but it isn’t a good thing.
by justin007000 on Nov 2, 2009 4:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not when you're not the baker, Holmes.
"What the hell are spanks????"
by jch24 on Nov 2, 2009 4:23 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
that's what they all say
But this is it.
by bbjones on Nov 2, 2009 11:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

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