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The Red Reporter Book Club (Season 2, Episode 1): The Machine - The Prologue

Welcome to Red Reporter's second hurrah into some old-timey nerdery in the form of a book club.  This time we'll be reading Joe Posnanski's The Machine: A Hot Team, a Legendary Season, and a Heart-stopping World Series: The Story of the 1975 Cincinnati RedsAs most of you know, Posnanski is a former Cincinnati Post reporter, current Sports Illustrated writer, and a Clevelander at heart.  I think he does a great job discussing the personalities and stories of the 1975 Reds, and if you have the means I highly recommend acquiring The Machine and giving it a read.  I'll try to post something every week or two covering a chapter of the book so that we finish the book before Opening Day. 

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Like a great leadoff hitter the Prologue sets the table for the tour de force to follow.  Appropriately, the Prologue begins by describing Pete Rose.  Plenty of guys play the game hard, but it's hard to imagine any player today who acts as ferociously as Rose on field, in the dugout, and in the clubhouse.  With the Reds down three runs in the sixth inning of Game 7, Pete paced the dugout, cursing and getting in the faces of any teammate to tell them how much they (and the Sox) sucked.  Of course, Tony Perez would then hit a two-run HR and the Reds would come back to beat Boston by a run, securing not just a champsionship but an escape from the choker label that had dogged the pre-'75 team.

So here are a few questions and observations for discussion.

- How important is it to have a fiery leader like Pete Rose in a game 7?  I think it's natural to evaluate a championship team and concoct a story about how the team "gelled" or that so-and-so wouldn't let the team lose.  Over the course of a 162-game season, I don't think these intangibles matter all that much.  But in the World Series, in game 7?  I don't think it's inconceivable that personalities player a larger role and that some players react differently to the pressure than others.

- With the Reds down by 3 in the 6th inning, Tony Perez told Sparky "Don't worry.  I hit a home run."  And then:

Earlier in the game, [Boston pitcher Bill] Lee had thrown his slow curve, a lollipop of a pitch that peaked at about ten feet off the ground and then dropped gently into the strike zone....  Doggie was mesmerized, and he could not unleash his swing.  "Throw it again," he muttered now....  Bill Lee began his windup, and then he unleased it one more time, his slow curveball, and Perez saw it, his eyes widened, and he did something funny in his swing.  He buckled, like a car trying to jump into second gear.

I watched the at bat after reading the book, and man, did Perez crush it.  Well over the Monster.  With Bench on first after Rose had ferociously broken up the DP, the Reds were within one and would win the game, and the championship, on Joe Morgan's bloop RBI single in the 9th. 

Perez's reputation as a clutch hitter may well have pushed him into the Hall of Fame.  Is that reputation deserved, and if so, does that justify his inclusion into the Hall?  If you had to pick between Perez and Rose, who would you put in the Hall? 

- It's interesting how the perceptions of each team have evolved since the Seventies.  The Reds have gone from dynasty to forgotten man.  The Red Sox have done more or less the opposite.  Before '75 they weren't known as a "cursed" franchise (I believe that wasn't invented until after 1986, but someone correct me if I'm off).  They were simply known as a bad team that had appeared in two WS since 1918 and were the last to integrate. 

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who would I put in?

I think if Rose was eligible he goes in easily over Perez. But he isn’t, probably will never be in his lifetime, so there can’t be much of a discussion. Unless the numbers guys have some sort of formula for this also.

Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.

by Caleb on Nov 19, 2009 11:46 PM EST reply actions  

The Book Club is back?

It’s like the return of the XFL!

Made from 100% Recycled Awesome,

by 'tHan on Nov 20, 2009 8:38 AM EST reply actions  

Tony Perez WAS clutch!

I’ve never looked at the numbers this way for Perez, but there is a very clear indication statistically that Perez was clutch:

Career numbers (10861 PA) – .279/.341/.463
High leverage (2410 PA) – .305/.363/.496
Medium leverage (4612 PA) – .276/.338/.461
Low leverage (3817 PA) – .267/.330/.446

He hit much better, over a significant number of PA, in high leverage situations. That’s getting it done!

Definitely a good argument.

by Slyde on Nov 20, 2009 9:11 AM EST reply actions  

On Pete's ferocity

I actually think that having a passionate player in the clubhouse helps more during the season than in the playoffs, as long as the player is well liked. If Pete had been an unlikable asshole or hadn’t performed well on the field, I think he would have pissed people off. Given that he seemed to take care of his teammates, I think that allowed them to feed off of his energy.

It’s not just the passion from Pete that helped in the playoffs, it’s the confidence. You can be passionate and say things like “C’mon guys keep your head up! We’re still in this thing!” Or you can be passionate and say “We can’t lose this game! We will not lose this game!” Very different messages, and I think the 2nd one is much more effective.

Definitely a good argument.

by Slyde on Nov 20, 2009 9:19 AM EST reply actions  

Pete was the rare scrappy star

Which gave him a lot of cred when he’d say things like “we will not lose to these f******”, which I agree is a lot more effective than “we’re still in this thing.”

I see your point about needing the extra energy during a long regular season, but I still think the spit and vinegar helps in an extremely high pressured game, like Game 7, when it’s human nature to be wound a little tighter. Then again, Tony Perez hits that HR because he’s Tony Perez, not because of a pep talk or dress down. So I don’t know if I have a point here.

by ken on Nov 20, 2009 10:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Red Sox curse?

What about Pesky’s throw?

Also, why would anyone read a book when the internet awaits with its undeniably vast array of porn?

"Santa Claus doesn't use Craigslist." -- 'tHan

by jch24 on Nov 20, 2009 9:34 AM EST reply actions  

Have you seen my stable of children?

"Santa Claus doesn't use Craigslist." -- 'tHan

by jch24 on Nov 20, 2009 11:04 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

creeper'd

Let me write out a formal proof for you.

by Gray on Nov 20, 2009 3:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Rec'd and now I'm about to take a shower.

"And then there was the USAID guy in Kandahar who drove a giant pink Cadillac, which the locals set on fire one day. If you wanted to destroy something symbolic during a riot, you just could not do better than that. Good stuff." - Ghosts of Alexander

by Cy Schourek on Nov 21, 2009 3:10 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

TWSS

"Santa Claus doesn't use Craigslist." -- 'tHan

by jch24 on Nov 21, 2009 8:44 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

i'm reccing you for perfectly setting up jch

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by justin007000 on Nov 21, 2009 1:36 PM EST up reply actions  

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