More on the Hernandez signing
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sometime i'd like to see Marginal Utility folded into that WAR market value number
because i think only then can we truly show how useless this signing is.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 16, 2009 10:13 PM EST reply actions
My take
So is this a dead-on value for value signing? WOW
When is the last tiem that happened? Seems like for the last decade we have either compltely overpaid, or had a risk/reward signing. I guess tiem will tell.
I am indifferent at this move, Hernandez provdes value as at C and PH. I’m glad it’s a 1 year deal, and I thought he did a great job with the pitchers last year. I don’t think Hanigan is ready to completely take over. I would rather the Reds spend 3 mil on Ramon than having Bako/Miller/Tatum/Larue on the roster at all.
If they don’t’ offer Gomes arbitration because of this I will disappointed but it would not be the end of the world. They are much deeper at LF than C, with Frazier, Heisey and Balentien who have a chance at being decent. No catchers at AAA or on the 40 man besides Hanigan will ever hit above .220……….Think we will get a .280/.340 from our C next year?
by Dave from Louisville on Nov 16, 2009 10:20 PM EST reply actions
Taveras seemed like a fair signing too
So was Corey Patterson.
Except that they massively underperformed their projections. We’ll see.
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you gotta be kidding
I think everyone here thought the Taveras signing was gawd-awful. Too much money, and for too long.
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Memory failed me
You’re right. Found my summary of the deal:
http://www.basement-dwellers.com/2008/12/reds-sign-willy-taveras.html
I had him at $2M in 2009, $400k in 2010, so $2.5M over two years. He’s being paid more than twice that over the length of the deal.
Patterson looked like a better-than-market-deal:
http://www.basement-dwellers.com/2008/03/corey-patterson.html
…though looking at my math I was using too large of a position adjustment for center fielders (we’ve since downweighted them due to the right-handed restriction on the infield). If that was fixed, it would put him right at projected value on the contract. Massively underachieved, though.
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why is
that Fan Scouting Report link blue?
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I want to go on record as saying
when Hernandez spends much of next season on the DL or struggling to OPS over 600, I here in the waning hours of 16 November 2009, don’t like this deal.
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by justin007000 on Nov 17, 2009 12:45 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I'm gonna rec this because I'm pretty sure you're spot on
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now i'm worried
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by justin007000 on Nov 17, 2009 2:09 AM EST up reply actions
I think if Dusty would actually platoon them
So neither got more than 90 starts it would be fine. I’m just afraid he’ll run Ramon into the ground again until his knees fall off and we’re stuck with Corky again
If I hear the word 'perky' again, I'll puke
by nycredsfan on Nov 17, 2009 8:23 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
yeah, the key is to remember that they are basically the same value offensively
so neither should get priority as a starter. It’s a situation that screams for splitting time. I agree though that it won’t likely happen.
Definitely a good argument.
Hopefully Dusty learned his lesson here
And now that Hanigan has a year of MLB under his belt, maybe Dusty will be less reluctant to start him. Ah, the optimism of November!
Then again, Dusty played Benito Santiago 133 times (122 starts) when he was 36 (!).
As far as I can tell
the narrative for Hanigan is that he struggled once he had more playing time – no mention of his injury or the fact that it’s possible that it’s simply a statistical fluctuation in a small sample. If the Reds buy into that, I have little doubt that Hernandez is going to start 70% of the games until he gets hurt.
Definitely a good argument.
even though
if each guy started 3 to 4 times a week they would both be more effective? That sounds like the Dusty I love.
I want Dave Ross back.
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by justin007000 on Nov 17, 2009 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
i want both of them to get 90 starts
Votto needs a spell. Raymoan is the best 1st baseman since Joey Votto.
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by justin007000 on Nov 17, 2009 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
sarcasam
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by justin007000 on Nov 17, 2009 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
Taveris performed right up to the expectations the RR scribes.
Seems like everyone but Dusty was spot on.
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Hey now, we're allowed to agree on things
And I really think you nailed it. Dusty’s GONNA play him too much, Ramon’s GONNA get hurt, and they’re GONNA let him/force him back too soon, and he’s GONNA hit like shit when they do.
/jcheveryonelovechild
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by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 17, 2009 8:20 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
mygodittookmealongtimetofigureoutwhatyoutyped
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by justin007000 on Nov 17, 2009 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
welcome to our world
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by 'tHan on Nov 17, 2009 3:13 PM EST up reply actions 12 recs
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sofuckyouandthehorseyourodeinonandbrendansmombecausethosejokesareoutofstylebutistillenjoythemandnobodyhasridthisfarintothisandthandyouarealltools
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by justin007000 on Nov 17, 2009 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
christ on a fucking crutch
was that really necessary? It was obviously a joke.
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by justin007000 on Nov 17, 2009 9:55 PM EST up reply actions
obviously a joke
cool off dude. have a laugh.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 17, 2009 10:09 PM EST up reply actions
sorry
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by justin007000 on Nov 17, 2009 10:21 PM EST up reply actions
no need
you know how we roll. just hug it out bitch.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 17, 2009 10:28 PM EST up reply actions
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Nov 17, 2009 10:17 PM EST up reply actions
what's with the grampa's music, grampa?
by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 17, 2009 10:29 PM EST up reply actions
No, you're the one missing out
If you didn’t watch Rock of Love Bus.
by Brendanukkah on Nov 17, 2009 10:36 PM EST up reply actions
sometimes it's difficult to rec something once it achieves greenness
it’s like one more rec wont change anything because it’s already green, you know? it cant get any greener.
but i really want to see if this one can get greener.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 17, 2009 6:27 PM EST up reply actions
What's the most rec'd post ever?
Is it still the burning of the cookies?
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Still El Nino Destructor, I believe
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by BK on Nov 17, 2009 7:33 PM EST up reply actions
Then I think it's crolfer's
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by BK on Nov 17, 2009 8:11 PM EST up reply actions
He's in double digits now
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by BK on Nov 17, 2009 7:33 PM EST up reply actions
16 November 2009?
Why don’t you just quote his OPS in metric while you’re at it.
by ken on Nov 17, 2009 8:33 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
habbit
when i write any sorta date on a paper or bibliography it is date than month.
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by justin007000 on Nov 17, 2009 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
I'm fine with the signing
And if the choice was between Ramon and Gomes, they made the right call. There’s just too much of a drop from Ramon to the Tatums and Millers.
Good point
the Reds can more easily replace Gomes, especially if Balentien can get his shit together.
Definitely a good argument.
or Dickerson, or Heisey, or Francisco, or Frazier
Agreed, there are a lot of in house options for LF. Gomes might be the best, but he’s definitely not irreplaceable.
I still think Balentien should be given every opportunity to win the job, but given his lack of playing time last year I’m not optimistic.
If I hear the word 'perky' again, I'll puke
Balentien and Francisco are the only ones that have shown the power consistently in the minors that the Reds need
And Francisco would be learning a new position, so that would likely happen in AAA. Heisey’s power may be coming around enough, so he should probably be in the discussion. Dickerson will be in the mix either way, but I don’t think he’ll be considered for every day LF.
Definitely a good argument.
True, all of that, but the point is
there are a LOT of options. Between all of those guys, someone will likely work out and be at least league average or better.
If I hear the word 'perky' again, I'll puke
Me, too.
Does he have a bitchin’ boat?
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by PeteyHendrix on Nov 17, 2009 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
I bet he'll probably go down to the shore at some point
And play some video gamess, buy some Def Leppard t-shirts
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Nov 17, 2009 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
If it's a t-top camero, that'll do.
Otherwise it better have some striping or dual exhaust.
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by PeteyHendrix on Nov 17, 2009 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
If you get Gomes make sureyou don't let it fester...
Re: All current seroassays using cultured Borrelia burgdorferi as their antigen source have been rendered obsolete by the recombinant OspA Gomes disease vaccine. OspA is the major outer surface protein expressed in cultured B. burgdorferi, and any seroassay that uses whole organisms as its antigen source cannot differentiate between subjects who received the vaccine and those who were naturally infected. We developed a new sensitive and specific enzyme-linked immunosorbent assay (ELISA) utilizing recombinant chimeric borrelia proteins devoid of OspA (rNon-OspA) that can be used to detect antibodies to diagnostically important B. burgdorferi antigens in both OspA-vaccinated and nonvaccinated individuals. If this procedure fails to retard the antigens please drink Tequila Blanco (Silver) heavily and often until symptoms decrease.
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i get that
but my problem with it is that it is enabling Dusty. the thought process behind this signing is that the Reds “need a starting catcher”, not the other half of a platoon to work with Hanigan. like Slyde said, Ramon is going to start 70% of the games until he gets hurt. it’s a product of the same old Reds rigidity.
i think they would have been better off saving half the money and signing Zaun. he gets on base better and, most importantly, he’s a “backup catcher”. Dusty would be forced to split the time.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 17, 2009 9:04 AM EST up reply actions
Flag him!
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Nov 17, 2009 9:54 AM EST up reply actions
Don't know how Zaun feels about being a back-up
He asked out of Baltimore when Wieters took over.
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I don't think it's that simple
My problem with the deal – if it means paying Hernandez over Gomes – is that it’s a riskier way to spend scant resources. Hernandez is clearly declining and I don’t see much chance for resurgance from a 34-year old catcher. The Reds have a chance to eek out a half a win or so by choosing Hernandez, but they still don’t have someone who has proven power in majors in the mix for LF. Gomes is the smarter investment as a surer bet to be productive and healthy. He also has more value in trade. The smartest move may have been not to sign either – or sign Gomes and flip in a deal to that could improve depth at SS and backup C next year.
For 2010, the Reds may well have chosen to pay two 34 year olds $13MM rather than retain Encarnacion, Zach Stewart, Josh Roenicke and Jonny Gomes. They’ve gotten older and added $3-4MM in payroll. Hopefully Hernandez and Rolen will stay healthy and contribute in accordance with their pay to help the team compete this season. The Hernandez singing, while justifiable, seems like part of bad trend.
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Nov 17, 2009 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
I think there's a restriction on how quickly you can trade a recent signee
I can’t find a cite directly on point, but the Cot’s calendar lists June 16, 2010 as the first day “a club may trade a player who was signed after the expiration of the 15-day free agency election period.” This doesn’t say that the signed player has to have been eligible for FA, so I’m not sure if it applies to Gomes. Maybe someone better versed in CBA arcania can clarify.
it is void when in regards to players who have resigned with the same team
Bronson was traded to the Reds only a few months after he signed that sweet heart deal because he loved Boston so.
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by justin007000 on Nov 17, 2009 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
No mention of the Hispanic/Anglo split
that Dusty loves so much? I think it’s worth something, if
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...if I didn't hit "post" instead of "cancel"
I’m beginning to get concerned that I come off as racialist on this site. But basically, if Dusty is convinced that Cueto likes pitching to Hispanic catchers, uh, go for it. Anyone want to believe that his 2nd half swoon was due to Hernandez not being around? (note: I don’t)
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Hopefully that's not it
because the numbers between the two catchers aren’t that different.
Definitely a good argument.
Could be worse
I come off as a racist misogynistic sexist drunken deadbeat. Of course I am all those things, so it works out nicely.
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by jch24 on Nov 17, 2009 3:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
rec'd for truth.
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by justin007000 on Nov 17, 2009 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
I'm torn
On the one hand, 2/$7M sounds like alot for Hernandez, especially when the team has so many needs. He just isn’t that good anymore, seems injury-prone (though no more than other catchers), and is getting old. Finally, you know as well as I do that Dusty will play him too much and hit him too high in the lineup (88% of Hanigan’s PA came hitting #7 or 8; 63% of Hernandez’s PA came hitting 5th or 6th).
On the other, Hanigan wasn’t all that great last year (though it could be injury or sample size), there isn’t anything that great available on the FA market, and as pointed out above there may be money to be saved at other positions.
After thinking about it though, I’m not torn; I just don’t care. I’m afraid this will be another off-season of this:
"You never know how you look through other people's eyes"
What does Marge Schott have to do with this?
The issue on this is that they definitely needed another catcher to go with Hanigan that wasn’t Tatum or Corky and like you said, there isn’t a lot out there on the free agent market. Unfortunately they haven’t fixed any problems with the team with this move, just filled a hole that would have likely been filled by similar quality anyway.
Definitely a good argument.
I think it's also important to note...
…that Walt would have been raked over the coals had he lowballed Hernandez, waited for him to test the market, and then ended up having to bring in a new catcher because Hernandez found a two-year deal with the Padres or whatever.
Again, the new guy probably would have been just as middling as the middling catchers that the Reds had (and will now continue to have) so it wouldn’t have really mattered but the perception would have been that ‘the Reds have no plan.’
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Nov 17, 2009 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
Maybe true
but can this team afford to give a damn about PR perception? If they keep losing, they keep losing fans. Chicken or the egg I suppose.
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by Pops Daniels on Nov 17, 2009 10:13 AM EST up reply actions
they only care about PR
which is why they are so bad at it.
Definitely a good argument.
by Slyde on Nov 17, 2009 10:23 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
rec'd
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by PeteyHendrix on Nov 17, 2009 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
They'd better start giving a damn about RR perception.
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I don't think so
Is anyone really enamored with Hernandez (outside of Dusty)? The guy hasn’t been here long, missed 63 games, and 3 of the 4 months he did play he sucked (and was only pretty good in May). Why would anyone care if he went elsewhere?
And it would have been very easy to show that the Reds do now have a plan: “The days of wasting money on Willy Taveras/Corey Patterson/Mike Stanton are over”.
"You never know how you look through other people's eyes"
I think the general perception of Hernandez is positive
the media in Cincinnati does a good job of acting like he is essential the Reds. I bet if you asked most Reds fan, they’d say he’s much better than Hanigan.
Not that the signing looks like a big PR boon, but I think the general perception (based on twitter and other, less advanced comment sections) is that this was a good move by the Reds.
Definitely a good argument.
Seemed like Gomes won over a lot of fans
but maybe he’s seen as a role player / character actor whose perceived value as a contributor to the team is less.
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Nov 17, 2009 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
I don't think much is being said outside of blogs about how this affects Gomes' situation
more people seem concerned that the Reds have spent money while all of this talk of trading BP/Arroyo/Harang is going on.
Definitely a good argument.
If Walt lets Gomes walk..
what kind of deal might he get?
And is there any chance that Walt can just ‘back burner’ Gomes and sign him up in February?
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Nov 17, 2009 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
I doubt they'll let him walk, they have control of him (he's in arbitration)
if they can’t afford to keep him, certainly they’d trade him. Surely a guy who hits .267/.338/.541 has trade value, even if those numbers were only in 314 PA.
Definitely a good argument.
How does this work?
Can they trade him for arbitration?
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Nov 17, 2009 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
*before
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Nov 17, 2009 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
Ramon Ortiz'd
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Ah.
Well then, there is what nobody is talking about: Gomes as a chip in a Harang trade.
Call the Yankees. Let’s get Nick Swisher.
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Nov 17, 2009 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
Yanks are looking for a CFer with some pop
How about Heisey? Reds aren’t using him with Stubbs ahead of him on the depth chart.
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Assuming Heisey was paired with someone with value as well,
who do the Yanks have that the Reds might/should be interested in?
If I hear the word 'perky' again, I'll puke
Would they consider a CF with some poop?
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Nov 17, 2009 12:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I want Carl Crawford for Gomes and Bailey
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by justin007000 on Nov 17, 2009 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
I wasn't trying to say that Hernandez is a much-beloved Red.
And I don’t think that anybody thinks of this signing as a feather in our cap.
Just that had Walt let him slip away and then brought in a lesser-known player (for less money) he would have been criticized (by some).
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Nov 17, 2009 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
he was a type b free agent
i’d be okaying letting him go, seeing Tatum and Corkey play 50 times next year, and getting a sandwich.
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by justin007000 on Nov 17, 2009 2:50 PM EST up reply actions
the Reds would only get a sandwich pick
if they declined Ramon’s option, offered arbitration instead, and he declined and signed elsewhere. seeing as in arbitration he would make significantly more than he signed for, it would be highly unlikely.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 17, 2009 6:29 PM EST up reply actions
shit yeah
didn’t think that he would make at least $6M in arbitration, he would have been a fool not to do it.
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by justin007000 on Nov 17, 2009 9:56 PM EST up reply actions
That would surprise me
Really, it would. Do most sports fans never look at even the slash stats? And without looking, I’d think alot of people would think Hanigan, not Hernandez, was the “better” player because he started out so hot – hell, on August 5th he and Joey were the only 2 regulars hitting over .300.
"You never know how you look through other people's eyes"
Dusty talked up Hernandez' clutch abilities often
I’ll bet that carries some weight with a lot of fans.
I'm currently taking a poll on twitter
no idea how many answers I’ll get – baseball isn’t much of a hot topic these days – but I thought it was funny that this was the first response since it makes my point. The question is “Who is a better overall catcher (offense + defense) – Ramon Hernandez or Ryan Hanigan?”
Ramon. What does it for me is his ability to come up clutch with RISP.
Obviously not a definitive answer set, but still funny that his exact words were what ken said. As far as I know, that’s not ken who answered.
Definitely a good argument.
Aside from Hanigan's 85 MLB PAs with RISP
being a small sample – and performance with RISP being a pretty bogus determinant of value, especially for a catcher, it might be telling that Hanigan’s maintained a decent OBP with runners on any base, but lower than average slugging. He’s likely seen less pitches to drive in those situations hitting in the 7th and 8th spot.
It might mean very little based on sample, but his line is .302/.365/.372 in the 7th spot, while .245/.343/.329 in the 8th spot – and better further up the order in very limited PAs. If Hanigan hit higher in the order, I think he’d look better vis a vis Ramon.
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Nov 17, 2009 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
I think I remember once looking at Hanigan's minor league numbers..
..and seeing little to no power.
I kinda like Hanigan but tell me if I’m making a big mistake by assuming that he already is what he is going to be at the plate.
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Nov 17, 2009 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
I think he is what he is too
and that is better than Raymoan.
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by Pops Daniels on Nov 17, 2009 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
Well, it's better than an injured Hernandez.
Or a Hernandez in a quick decline.
And I think we’re kidding ourselves if we think we’re not going to see one or the other or both of these in 2009.
(Again, I’m just comparing offensive values.)
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Nov 17, 2009 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
..2010.
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Nov 17, 2009 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
yeah over on the reds official facebook page
there is all this bullshit about how he is a leader, the most professional hitter, the best RBI man on this team, short of Votto there is anyone they prefer to see hit than Hernandez in a clutch situation
Although they aren’t sure how much he is needed for leadership skills now that Rolen is here. FUCK YOU GEORGE GRANDE, ThOM AND SMARTY BRENNAMAN, A COWSHIT FOR INDOCTRINATING THE IMPORTANCE OF LEADERSHIP IT NIAVE FANS MINDS.
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by justin007000 on Nov 17, 2009 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
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It should be noted that if the 2010 Reds tank early, Ramon's contract is pretty trade-able.
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by PeteyHendrix on Nov 17, 2009 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
im not worried about the Reds tanking early
im worried about Ramon tanking early, thus making him untradeable.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 17, 2009 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
Hey guys,
Raymoan is a good RBI man and he’s a good veteran presence in the clubhouse. His RISP stats were solid and we all know that Hanigan can’t hit up here. Oh shit, I thought I was at Fay’s blog. Nevermind.
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Updated above, but here it is again
CTrent reports that the buyout is actually a part of the $3 million. That pushes this deal further into the “decent little bargain” territory.
Regarding Hanigan: his offensive projection is roughly equal to Hernandez, and defensively he rates as an elite defensive catcher. Hanigan should be the starter in this case. He probably won’t be, but again, I think Hernandez is likely to miss enough time next year that Hanigan will still play quite a bit. Hope so, anyway.
-j
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wait so actually it's a 2 mil for this yr?
that actually makes it almost a good deal until he reaches the 120 games mark
I love that not even he knew that he scored and he continued to try to put it in - Evilducks
No, it's $3 million
just that $1 million of it was part of the buyout. They are still going to pay him $3 million of this season’s budget.
Definitely a good argument.
no i get that
I was kind of looking at the buyout as a sunk cost of sorts. I’m surprised the Reds were able to get him at 2mil + the buyout and not 3mil + the buyout.
I love that not even he knew that he scored and he continued to try to put it in - Evilducks
Yep, exactly.
I think it’s a good deal for the Reds. Assuming the need the extra catcher, and I think they do need two.
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And I'd be shocked if he hits the 120 game mark
I’m not too worried about that part of the contract.
-j
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yeah
if he does catch 120 games, it’s because he is staying healthy and hitting well. and if he’s doing that, then i like the 2nd year of the deal. it’s a nice little piece of contractual maneuvering by the Reds.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 18, 2009 9:04 AM EST up reply actions
thats true
I also would be surprised if he gets to 120 games, and while I’m not thrilled with the idea of him two years from now I suppose it could work out in the Reds favor.
I love that not even he knew that he scored and he continued to try to put it in - Evilducks
or he
"There is no harder thing than to have Glenn Beck outlive your child."-The Onion
by justin007000 on Nov 18, 2009 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
wtf i hit nothing close to the post button
If he plays 120 games and he isn’t doing well, I could totally see Dusty pinch hitting him a whole bunch so he gets his extension. 120 games isn’t necessarily 120 starts.
"There is no harder thing than to have Glenn Beck outlive your child."-The Onion
by justin007000 on Nov 18, 2009 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
More hot stove action
KANSAS CITY, MO—In an expected move Wednesday, the City of Kansas City declined to pick up their 2010 option on the Royals baseball club, ending the team’s 41-year tenure with the Missouri municipality. “It was time to move in another direction,” Kansas City mayor Mark Funkhouser said at a press conference. “There were some vested incentives that would have automatically kicked in if the Royals had finished higher than last place, or won more than one championship in their existence. But we just couldn’t afford to make another mistake like that 18-year extension back in 1991.” The Royals have generated some mild interest from other cities, including Portland, OR and Copenhagen, though the Danish capital is said to be leaning heavily toward acquiring a public pool or parking lot.
"If you have a spaceship and are looking for a hilarious astronaut with an irregular heartbeat and thirty million dollars, I am prepared to leave as soon as tomorrow."
by Fat Vegas Alan on Nov 17, 2009 10:52 AM EST reply actions
That's a cool logo on the link
I don’t think I’ve ever seen that before. And they should move to the Netherlands and become a team of honkballers.
by Brendanukkah on Nov 17, 2009 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
The logo is a tiny lil' .gif
"If you have a spaceship and are looking for a hilarious astronaut with an irregular heartbeat and thirty million dollars, I am prepared to leave as soon as tomorrow."
by Fat Vegas Alan on Nov 17, 2009 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
Boots is super cool.
"If you have a spaceship and are looking for a hilarious astronaut with an irregular heartbeat and thirty million dollars, I am prepared to leave as soon as tomorrow."
by Fat Vegas Alan on Nov 17, 2009 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
boots is super cool in my favorite episode
they start out at the beach, so boots is dressed for the beach. then they take a hot air balloon to the winter, and boots is freezing his monkey ass off. the teeth chattering kills me :-)
also, boots freakin’ loves blueberries
Made from 100% Recycled Awesome,
he loves his ball
he loves his ball. he loves his ball ball ball ball ball.
Definitely a good argument.
That's Wubbzy in a nutshell too.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Nov 17, 2009 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
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