Innovation
Look, I have to do something I don't normally do, because I think it's important.
Look, the Reds have always been involved in innovative ideas - first professional team, first radio broadcast, first television broadcast, first night game...I know that a lot of these happened in other parks, but the fact is, the team had to agree with it.
So I'm going to do something I never do and point you to my economic case for innovation. Then come back here and tell me how you think the Reds can once again pull the innovation card out of their red caps and come out on top. I have some ideas of my own.
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Yeah, innovation is great
But what exactly are you looking at, exactly? It has to go beyond the whole Moneyball market inefficiencies thing. What could you do with a baseball team that would be so different, so weird, as to completely change how “making money from baseball”?
The only thing I can think of is to have such a unique, awesome, stadium so as to be completely different from everything else out there. And not in a Yankees-esque rich-boy way, but just something goofy and different. Something to make BLDGblog proud.
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by Cy Schourek on Nov 14, 2009 8:49 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Well, you could start by...

Ah, nevermind. That’d never work either.
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Nov 14, 2009 9:12 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Hell even the Negroes are leaving baseball...
For Basketball, Football and even soccer.
I thought the Cheerleader idea was great.
Dollar Dogs and $3 beers would help tremendously.
It is way too expensive for the average Bozo and family to go to very many games..maybe one a year thees days.
African americans under the age of 75 or so find the sport so boring that those who do attend either drink themselves into a stupor or catch up on their Kierkegaard.
Here’s a photo of the Bozos and their two kids back at Redland Field- price of a game for the family including drinks etc $10 – It costs about $150 for this family to attend a game these days.

This sport needs help. I thought HGH was a pretty good draw.
I loved the Dock Ellis pitching on acid
Maybe we should bring in the fences a bit and at the same time raise the mound a tad.
You know like when Bob Gibson was pitching.
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by Madville on Nov 14, 2009 9:15 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
When I went to the White Sox game
there were a lot of middle class black families there who seemed to be soberly enjoying themselves. I just think Cincinnati’s lack of a strong black middle class gives you that impression.
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by justin007000 on Nov 14, 2009 9:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
no, I think MLB really doea have a problem with African-Americans
The number of black players is half what it was a decade ago.
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by BubbaFan on Nov 14, 2009 11:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
okay use a well reasoned essay
to refute my claim, based on one game I went to.
I’m obviously right.
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by justin007000 on Nov 14, 2009 11:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Definitely a good argument!
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by BubbaFan on Nov 14, 2009 11:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hhhhmmmm
Get drafted in the first round by an NBA team, go directly to the highest level for four years before cashing in for big bucks.
Or……
Get drafted by a MLB team and while getting a little more up front spend the next three years riding buses before getting the highest level where you get to spend the next six years before cashing in for big bucks.
I know it’s not a perfect comparison but you get my point. The road to riches is much quicker through the NBA or even the NFL.
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by jch24 on Nov 14, 2009 11:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
that's what the article says
But it’s the same for white players, too.
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by BubbaFan on Nov 14, 2009 11:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
How many white players can jump high enough to play Basketball?
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by Madville on Nov 15, 2009 8:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, one of the things I think would be innovative
as odd as it is, is to LOWER the price of season tickets. But I guess that’s not really innovative, as at this point that’s just microeconomics.
The thing is, look at what they’ve done recently. That massive HD scoreboard and replacing the very cool hand changed signs with video screens? Not innovation. Just distractions.
I just feel like the Reds are at a turning point. They almost have the talent, but they are falling just short.
Here’s a start – why not use that massive screens to allow for live blogging/tweeting/etc. Of course there’d be a monitoring thing involved. But…
by Daedalus on Nov 14, 2009 10:08 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
honestly baseball needs to role everything back
Although I think salaries are the least problematic, with modern day tv and licensing contracts, baseball makes a shit-ton of money, they mightaswell share it with the players. But that being said owners are pretty greedy with the costs of tickets and food. Like I am okay with luxury boxes, if corporations, millionaires, want to pay hundreds of dollars to watch baseball in luxuries lap that is okay.
My problem is the cost of a field level seat, over $40 to sit in the infield, if a family wants to go a game the only way they can afford to go is to sit up with god an the angels.
Here is what it should be, and was only 10 years ago.
The first price will be the 2009 price, the second price will be what it should be…
Infield Box $42—$28
Field Box $34—$24
Mezzanine $22—$13
View Level Box-$22-$14
Sun Deck $22-$14-$18 (big difference between first row and last row)
Terrace Outfield $19-$12
View Level $14—$10
Bleachers $7-$5
Outer View $5-$5
The should bring back the top $5 for $5 too.
If they reduce the cost of food at the ballpark by about 20%, they might just end up breaking even with the game-raised revenues they see now, but I have no stats to back that up.
What I don’t understand is big business always claims that taxes stifle growth, yet many owners, who I am guessing are Republicans like Bob Castillini, think the way to get the most money out of baseball is to charge exorbitant prices. Maybe there is a disconnect between these two theories I do not see.
But honestly with all the other in game shit such as T-shirts and foam thumbs that little kids just eat up and beg for, I bet the Reds would do better to create prices that are more family friendly, get more kids in the ballpark, and rape them in the gift shop, rather than now where you get raped in the parking lot, at the box office, at the concession stand, and in the gift shop.
Especially in this environment where families have to cut back, if the Reds cut ticket prices they might just find people are turning to the Reds to entertain them multiple times over the summer, rather than expensive vacations and what not. A real reduction in the cost to attend a game, rather than the gimmicks the reds put on last year with 2 concession stands selling dollar hot dogs (with lines 30 people deep), which really insulted our intelligence.
Plus I think they are missing the big picture. I grew up at Riverfront, going down to the ballpark almost 10 times a year is normal to me, but Reds tickets were much cheaper in the 90s than they are today. Some of my best summer memories are going to businessmen specials with my mom the day after school was out for the summer. But now families can’t afford to do that.
The antithesis to my argument can be that until this season, while the Reds tickets have increased, attendance has increased as compared to the 90s. But that is a messy argument because attendance figures were hurt for years due to the strike, and the closing of riverfront and the opening of GABP caused a spike in attendance, plus the Reds have pretended to contend a couple of times, 2004 and 2006 they were in contention until the All-star break.
So I’ve decided I won’t be putting anymore money into the the Reds coffers. That is not to say I won’t go to a Reds game this summer. I get free tickets from my credit card, and if I’m offered free tickets I’ll go. If it is a nice day and the Reds suck, and I can get myself a nice deal from a scalper i’ll go, if I can get a good deal from e-bay i’ll go, but I will not buy any tickets from the box office. The tickets I am getting have already been purchased or given away, and the Reds won’t make a red cent off of me buying that ticket. I enjoy a few resturants around the ballpark, I mean I can get a burger, and 2 or 3 beers from Rock Bottom for the price of a few hot dogs. I can take my own Coke and bottled water into the game.
I will give money directly to the Reds organization again when one of two things happen. They lower their prices and stop extorting fans, or they prove they are as serious about winning as they are about getting my money. I understand baseball is a business, but why should the Reds get my money, if they aren’t going to be serious about winning? That doesn’t necessarily mean buying the best players that money can buy, but it does mean putting resources to better use. Don’t trade for Scott Rolen in a losing year, and then cry poor in the off season. Don’t give Corey Paterson $3M for his 2 pitch at-baterson’s. Same for Willy T. Don’t spend $10M on a closer. Commit to building for tomorrow, instead of wasting money on middling stopgaps that won’t help in the long run, and divert resources that can be used later.
It saddens me to say that I’ve reached this point. But why should I put my time, energy, and money into a team that doesn’t seem interested in winning, but only seems interested in appearing interested in winning?
Florence is just a few miles further down the road. I can get my baseball fix there this summer, last time I checked $10 gets me a ticket behind home plate and a waitress. That is about 4% of the cost of a seat in the same part of GABP, but I guess that isn’t a completely fair comparison, as food isn’t all inclusive with those tickets at Champion Window Field.
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by justin007000 on Nov 14, 2009 11:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
one thing about charging higher ticket prices
it keeps the riff-raff out
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by Cy Schourek on Nov 15, 2009 1:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
JCH still went to games
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by justin007000 on Nov 15, 2009 2:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
As a Ash's gigolo
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by Madville on Nov 15, 2009 4:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
She wants it soooooo bad
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by jch24 on Nov 16, 2009 12:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
take her to Jeff Hall, holmes
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by obc2 on Nov 16, 2009 8:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
no comment
None at all.
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by jch24 on Nov 17, 2009 12:24 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think you're wrong
about the Yankees not being innovative. (Admittedly, it helps to have money. It gives you opportunities that others don’t have, as well as allows you to take risks others might be afraid to.)
For example, they started their own TV network, to make their games more available to fans (and to pocket more revenue, of course).
They got around the draft by scouting and recruiting overseas.
FWIW…the Pittsburgh Pirates said the reason they traded for Akinori Iwamura is that they plan recruit in Japan, and they think Iwamura will help that cause. They also signed those two Indian guys. You gotta admit, signing Indian baseball players is different.
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by BubbaFan on Nov 14, 2009 11:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Soccer has recently started making inroads in Africa
Some of the world’s biggest stars are now Africans. They know the game, so that helps, but baseball as a whole (and maybe the Reds could spearhead [RACIST!] this) should be looking to develop the game in Africa and start up a pipeline of players. That continent has produced wonderful athletes for all sports, but baseball seems to be lagging behind.
Admittedly, that’s a huge endeavor and something for the much longer term. Building more neighborhood baseball fields or equipping local teams might be a more efficient way to go. Offer cheap tickets for kids 10 and under. I got hooked as a 9 year old watching the 1990 Reds, and that’s somehow made me stay loyal during all the shitty seasons that have followed. Winning builds fanbases, but so does going to games. Making it cheaper for kids to attend ensures a healthy next generation of fans.
by Brendanukkah on Nov 14, 2009 11:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Indian players
were the winners of a national contest.
Maybe the Reds could sponsor an “American Idol” type contest, only for athletes, with the prize being a visa to the US and a pro contract.
Agree that hooking kids is the key, but that’s not really innovative. Baseball teams are consolidating, moving their minor league teams closer to the big league teams in order to improve marketing opportunities. Minor league teams are experts at luring families with cheap prices and kid-friendly entertainment. And the Reds and other teams have long sponsored neighborhood baseball fields and teams for kids.
Of course, the Reds could be innovative fairly cheaply, by signing some stats guys instead of old-school Jocketty and Dusty…but obviously, they’re not gonna do that.
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by BubbaFan on Nov 15, 2009 12:17 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I got hooked as a 7 year old watching the 1995
but even younger than that I remember weekend afternoons watching the Reds or Braves on TBS with my mom, and she was explaining the basics of the game.
Both my parents are really into baseball, so it has always been around me. My dad coached my little league team, and that sonuvabitch made me ride the bench, well i did suck, and he didn’t want to look like he was playing favorites since well i have no athletic ability.
He did let me pitch a few times, the only time I completed an inning was when we were already down by 15 runs, it was the last inning before we would be run-ruled, two of our pitchers had already been knocked out of the game do to ineffectiveness, one pitcher was at bible camp, and one was injured in a car accident. So I being the teams ultimate mop up man got to pitch. I was tall and could throw hard for my age, but had no control. When I would throw alone up at the school yard, (I threw the ball against a brick wall), I could hit almost any brick I wanted at will, but in a game I had no control. I hit multiple batters, walked a ton, gave up a few hits, and probably threw about 60 pitches, I will probably need Tommy John Surgery one day because of that abuse.
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by justin007000 on Nov 15, 2009 12:25 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't get hooked until I was an adult
I never played baseball or softball much as a kid. Either I was living in the city, where there were no ball fields, or in the sticks, where there were no other kids to play with. Neither of my parents like baseball. Though I found out recently that my mother’s sister was a huge baseball fan. She passed away a few years ago. Nobody can even tell me her favorite team.
My sister and I both became fans of baseball as adults. Though she’s embarrassed to have a Yankee fan as a sister.
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by BubbaFan on Nov 15, 2009 12:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We lived in the mountains when I was a kid.
Got better radio reception in the car than in the house. Dad and I used to sit in the driveway at night, eating peanuts, drinking Cokes, and listening to Marty and Joe. Been a fan ever since.
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by poojols on Nov 15, 2009 1:44 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
that is a really nice story.
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by justin007000 on Nov 15, 2009 2:18 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It's time for Dad to go into the "Assisted Living Facility"
I took some time in September and we visited some places. We made some jokes about how twenty-five years ago, he was taking me around to look at colleges. The first three places we looked at for him were called Briarwood, Raven Wood, and Woodlands. He made the joke that when you can’t get wood anymore, they put you in a place with the word “wood” in it. We decided that if they start doing Seinfelds again, this would be a great set-up for George and his dad. His dad would decide that they were teasing him, and at the third place, he would finally lose it. He would ask the residents how they could stand such treatment. Then one of the guys there would tell him that they get all the Viagra they want and George’s dad is ready to sign up. Then, he notices what the female residents look like, and he is depressed again.
Go Reds.
The man who will one day be President is, at this moment, lying in his cradle, trying to find some strategic way to get his big toe in his mouth.
-Mark Twain
by poojols on Nov 15, 2009 2:55 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
at least he seems to have a very caring son
who is helping him through this difficult process.
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by justin007000 on Nov 15, 2009 3:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It's not a sad thing
He’s happy to have lived long enough to go into one of those places.
The man who will one day be President is, at this moment, lying in his cradle, trying to find some strategic way to get his big toe in his mouth.
-Mark Twain
by poojols on Nov 15, 2009 3:24 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
that is good
i guess being 22, the thought of having to move into assisted living seems depressing, and like I can’t take care of myself anymore. It would be a pride thing for me. I doubt I will age gracefully, which might be why I go to 5 Guys once a week…
I am just imposing my own personal views on my life on your dad, which really isn’t fair.
I shouldla realized from the jokes he seems fairly at peace with it. It is 2:30 in the morning and i’m exhusted. I’ll give you $50 to finish this damn paper, on 20-25 pages to go, a rough draft is needed by monday.
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by justin007000 on Nov 15, 2009 3:29 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Pride cometh before depends!!!
Email the paper to me
I’ll finish it up for a one time bonus price of $79.95.
And there will be no spelling errors.
What is the topic ?
Not that I really care…nor does it matter…I’ll still get you an A.
Just curious.
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by Madville on Nov 15, 2009 9:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I am writing about the history of Chicago machine politicls
how Mayor Anton Cermak and Mayor Edward J. Kelly laid the groundwork that allowed Richard J. Daley to control almost every segment of his city.
My thesis boiled down is that Daley was a product of a number of unusual events that created a strong Mayors office, and he had the right political skill set to capitalize on that and become even more powerful than his predecessors.
It is a little bit more in depth than that, but i doubt anyone really cares.
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by justin007000 on Nov 15, 2009 10:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I care...I care about making an easy $79.95
here’s some back ground on Kelly that you probably have missed
John-Edward Kelly, is an American conductor of classical music and classical saxophonist.
Kelly was born in San Francisco and grew up in Chicago Illinois where prior to his musical career he was the city’s Mayor.. He attended Cincinnati Conservatory of Music, and studied privately with saxophonist Sigurd Raschèr for two years.
His time in the Mayoral office was slightly marred by his relationship with Alderman Thomas Keane when after four decades as an alderman on Chicago’s City Council, Keane was convicted of mail fraud and conspiracy. Otherwise Kelly was adept at utilizing federal funds for political gains of the Democratic Party.
After retirement from political office he turned his attention to musi where After a career as a classical saxophonist, he turned more to conducting of ensembles and heavy drinking.
Kelly joined the Raschèr Saxophone Quartet in ; he was chosen by Sigurd Raschèr to succeed Raschèr as the quartet’s alto saxophonist. He moved to Germany in and was a member of the Quartet for ten years.
He founded the Alloys Ensemble1 (saxophone, cello, piano & percussion)
Kelly founded The Kelly Quartet2 . The quartet, based in Germany, consists of Kelly and several of his former students.
Kelly was artistic director of the Arcos Chamber Orchestra], which he co-founded .
Upon retirement from the musical world, Kelly turned to science and became enamoured of 20th century alchemy. He died in prison after being convicted in England after he openly professed the ability to summon spirits or angels. Kelley also claimed to possess the secret of transmuting base metals into gold. But most thought that this statement was a cover-up of the fraud that he was thought to committed while serving as the Mayor of Chicago.
So Justin this is just a glimpse of what you could be turning in to your profs…this is the kind of stuff that is documented, thought provoking and totally academic bullshit that could allow you to stay in college for years, eventually owning the college or universiity and being surrounded by professional academicians for years to come.
Well worth a mere $79.95
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by Madville on Nov 15, 2009 11:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you could then use that money to get a Coney Island Season pass
if you buy it before Christmas Day.
"There is no harder thing than to have Glenn Beck outlive your child."-The Onion
by justin007000 on Nov 15, 2009 11:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
also you have to tie that into Mayor Daley.
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by justin007000 on Nov 15, 2009 11:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You are not getting that information for free young man.
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by Madville on Nov 16, 2009 1:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nothing substantive to add
But your dad sounds exactly like mine. This is a great story.
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by chesirecat on Nov 16, 2009 11:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
my dad taught me such phrases
stick your whisle in your ass and blow on it.
fucking stop stepping on your dick
put a fucking dress on that faggot of a quarter back
fucking blow me you little sawed off cock sucker
One day when he was going into work, he just retired from being a State Paroloe Officer, he used to work in Hamilton’s Court House, Mike DeWine was holding some sorta campaign event across the street. My dad seeing Dewine shouted “IN PERSON YOU REALLY ARE A SAWED OFF LITTLE COCKER SUCKER!!!”
I took Dewine for a special topcis class at ONU jr. year (i dropped it after the first class), i walked in, looked at Dewine looked at my buddy and said "yep my dad’s right Dewine really is a sawed off little cocksucker).
I’m a chip off the old block.
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by justin007000 on Nov 17, 2009 12:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
my mom grew up in Chicago and St. Louis
so she grew up a Cardinals and White Sox fan, the White Sox will always be her, and always her my grandfathers, first love. Her love for the Cardinals has eroded living in Cincinnati over the last 30 odd years, and she has adopted the Reds as her Naitonal League team.
She also likes the Braves because of TBS, I think she would have married Skip Carrey if she could.
I do have a cool Harry Carrey/Mom story. When my mom was 9 her 7 year old was hit by a car and killed. A few days after that happened my mom and Grandfather went to a Cardinals game, well some how the Cardinals and Harry Carrey found out what happened. Harry invited my mom up to the broadcast booth and let her sit in for an inning or two while he worked. He let her say her name and what school she went to and how old she was over the air, and off the air he told her he was very sorry, and was extraordinarily nice to her.
I’ve read many accounts about how much of an asshole Harry was, fucking the Cardinal’s owners wife, having his broadcast partner run out of town, a drunken womanizer, but when it came to how he treated fans, he was first class.
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by justin007000 on Nov 15, 2009 2:18 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
"When my mom was 9 her 7 year old was hit by a car and killed"
Her 7 year old…
…child?
…brother?
…sister?
…dog?
…cat?
…turtle?
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by BubbaFan on Nov 15, 2009 7:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm gonna guess friend
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by jch24 on Nov 15, 2009 10:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ima guess Whiskey!!
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by The Crushinator on Nov 15, 2009 10:37 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That was totally worth lurking for a month
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by The Crushinator on Nov 15, 2009 10:37 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Welcome back big boy
Why the lurking? You don’t love me no mo’?
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by jch24 on Nov 15, 2009 11:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ive been busy
But i got fired so now… Internet!
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by The Crushinator on Nov 15, 2009 3:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
welcome to my world, friend
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by jch24 on Nov 16, 2009 12:28 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
forgot the word sister
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by justin007000 on Nov 15, 2009 2:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Harry Caray is a saint
There’s a great book on HC written by Steve Stone, give it a read when you get snowed in this winter.
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by obc2 on Nov 15, 2009 10:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of soccer...
Tens of Thousands Gather for German Goalkeeper’s Memorial
‘’It happened so suddenly. Last Sunday we still saw the game, applauded him … and two days later he throws himself in front of the train.’’
It says he was afraid to admit to being depressed, because he thought they would take his kid away. Do they really take your kid away in Germany because of depression?
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by BubbaFan on Nov 15, 2009 12:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not only Germany
It’s a frightening proposition to think you can loose custody because of depression, but it’s a definite possibility.
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by jch24 on Nov 15, 2009 12:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Dude threw himself in front of a train.
A case can be made that maybe he shouldn’t have had custody of a child.
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Nov 15, 2009 1:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Give divorce and a custody battle a try sometime and let me know what frame of mind it puts you in
I never once considered something like that but I’d be lying if I told you I wasn’t depressed abut the whole situation for a while. Some people just can’t handle it, I guess.
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by jch24 on Nov 15, 2009 2:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This guy wasn't divorced
He was married, with apparently no problems in the relationship aside from his depression.
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by BubbaFan on Nov 15, 2009 3:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i can understand a married guy diving in front of a train
it makes sense now.
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by obc2 on Nov 15, 2009 3:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Good thing the train was on time.
The man who will one day be President is, at this moment, lying in his cradle, trying to find some strategic way to get his big toe in his mouth.
-Mark Twain
by poojols on Nov 15, 2009 8:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I stand by my comment
No problems in the relationship? I somehow doubt that if his biggest fear was “his kid being taken away”.
Not too get too personal (since when, right?), but I stayed in a shitty relationship for far too long because I couldn’t nut up and leave. It was easily the hardest time I’ve ever had in my life once I did, and I’ve had more than my fair share of hard times. I have absolutely no background information on the story; all I was saying is that it’s a bit harsh to say a man suffering from depression could be judged as an unfit parent. While not having gotten to that point personally I can totally understand how some people (of both genders) do.
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by jch24 on Nov 16, 2009 12:34 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't say that was his biggest fear
I said that was why he didn’t want to admit his depression. He and his wife had adopted a baby, and he was afraid it would be taken away from her as well as him.
He had been suffering depression for years. Perhaps because of the death of their biological child at age 2 from a heart defect.
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by BubbaFan on Nov 16, 2009 6:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ive had friends with both clinical depression and anxiety attacks
i think some of us more fortunate folks sorta underestimate some of the challenges our fellow man and woman battle on a daily basis. there but for the grace of god go i….
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by obc2 on Nov 16, 2009 8:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i have clinical depression and anxiety attacks
and while i’ve never actually actively tried to kill myself, the thoughts are there.
Life can seem incredibly difficult, and I lose perspective on things. Like all and all my life is pretty good, two parents who loved me and didn’t neglect me emotionally or physically, i’m in grad school, i have every reason to believe i can be successful in life, I have a fiance I love very much, and who loves me but yet sometimes i really just don’t want to leave my room.
These things get stigmatized, and there is this pull yourself up by your own bootstrap mentality. Needing help is consider to be a sign of weakness, especially for men. Plus a lot of insurance plans don’t cover mental health.
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by justin007000 on Nov 16, 2009 8:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Anna Karenina'd
somebody sould have taken away his Tolstoy
Nobody listens to Andrew
by nlt-andrew68 on Nov 15, 2009 9:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Africa would take too much money & time
1) Baseball equipment is too expensive compared to the price of one soccer ball. Every poor kid can play a daily neighborhood pick-up game of soccer with no equipment, no field, not even shoes are necessary!
2) You need to develop skills over many years to have real team competition.
3) Soccer is the continent-wide national pastime. Most have never seen a game, or even know what baseball is.
The only way it would work in Africa would be to pick one stable country and build an all-inclusive boarding school/baseball academy for teenagers.
I think India & Pakistan are more fruitful areas to explore. With their passion for cricket they develop throwing, fielding and batting techniques from an early age.
by jambolyajones on Nov 16, 2009 1:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, MLB has been exploring Africa as an option
They sent a delegation over last year which included Dave Winfield.
by Daedalus on Nov 16, 2009 1:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
South Africa is also pretty cricket mad, and one of the wealthier nations in Africa
Maybe that’s a place to invest, once they finish hosting this “World Cup” thing.
by Brendanukkah on Nov 16, 2009 1:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They seem to already have some interest there
I believe the Pirates had a player from there on their GCL team this summer.
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by BK on Nov 16, 2009 2:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm a bit of a purist
I think it would be fun if they did throwback nights. Nothing fancy on the video boards, no piped in music, no mascot races. Just the ballgame.
I hate the way that games are televised. They show a pitch, then they show faces in the crowd. They show a pitch, then they show the view of the skyline from the nosebleeds. They show a pitch, then they show what’s coming up later on this very station. So much of the game happens between pitches, and we don’t get to see that. I want to see the interaction between the pitcher and catcher, the third base coach giving signs, how the defense is aligned. You said you were going to broadcast the game — show me the game!
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by poojols on Nov 15, 2009 4:57 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
you know
I kind of agree. It drives me absolutely crazy, the way Fox and ESPN interview coaches and even non-baseball personalities during the game. Sometimes they put the game on split-screen, or in a tiny window while they do the interview or whatever. But you can’t see what kind of pitch it is or anything like that in a postage-stamp sized window. Fox even did it during a playoff game – switched to another playoff game and showed the game I was watching in a tiny window on the main screen. I was so mad I sent off some rather intemperate e-mails, and called them to complain.
I understand why they do that. The reason I never liked baseball as a kid was that I found it incredibly boring. The pace of the game is so slow compared to, say, football or basketball, and the learning curve is steep. If you don’t understand baseball, you don’t care about what happens between pitches. Heck, you don’t care about what happens between hits. They often show the last time the batter got a hit off that pitcher – which may have been years ago, just to add excitement. As a baseball newb, I found that really confusing. And hilarious – baseball is so boring they have to show plays from last year, just to liven things up.
Now that I know more about baseball, though, I don’t find it boring at all. I love seeing what goes on between pitches. I’ve seen Jorge Posada drive young pitchers from the game, just because he keeps stepping out of the box, etc. until they get so mad they lose the strike zone.
I watched baseball on TV for years before I went to an actual game, and it really is different if you’re at the park. In particular, you can see how the outfielders position themselves, adjust for each batter and even each pitch, in a way they rarely show you on TV.
You know what would be cool? If they let people choose what they wanted to see. They already have multiple cameras. Let people choose which views they want to watch.
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by BubbaFan on Nov 15, 2009 7:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
mlb.tv sort of did that for the playoffs this year
except the camera wouldn’t switch when there was a hit. so if you had it on the camera on the pitcher/batter/catcher once there was a hit the camera would usually just zoom in on the pitchers face to get his reaction. to compensate for that though, you could split screen it or do four screens at once and choose multiple camera angles to watch. It worked out alright since I don’t have cable, you’d watch the main camera then when there was a hit you start watching the overhead camera. The biggest problem was keeping them synced up because of being a feed over the internet and each was independent of each other so sometimes one would slow. Also the score/pitch count box was not on the screen.
They also didnt black out the cameras during the commercials so sometimes the camera would just follow the home plate umpire around, which was kind of interesting. though during one of the angels games one of the camera guys would keep zooming in on some celebrity every, single, half inning (I recognized the guy but didnt know who he was). it had the feeling of a stalker watching someone with a camera, It got pretty weird after about the 9th or 10th half inning, I ended up switching camera views.
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by sharks on Nov 16, 2009 3:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
maybe the camera guy didn't know who the celebrity was either
and was trying to figure it out.
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by justin007000 on Nov 16, 2009 3:42 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
commercials
It used to be like that on MLB.TV and MiLB.TV. During the commercial breaks, you would hear the announcers talking to each other, see grounds crew raking the infield, scenes of the crowd, etc.
Apparently they still do that, in Japan on MLB.TV. You hear the announcers bitching each other out, see them stuffing donuts in their faces as quickly as they can before the ad break is over, etc.
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by BubbaFan on Nov 16, 2009 6:18 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
they muted the announcers during the playoff games
which was fine, McCarver/Buck during the game is bad enough.
I saw a few games where they didnt black out the commercials, and specifically remember one time Welsh saying how much he wished he could bring a keg up into the booth.
I love that not even he knew that he scored and he continued to try to put it in - Evilducks
by sharks on Nov 16, 2009 6:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Why can't he? Nuxy did.
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by Madville on Nov 16, 2009 7:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
one time when Rolen made a great play on a slow roller to end the inning
after they went to break Welsh was like, WOHO- EDWIN ENCARNACION COULD HAVE MADE THAT PLAY AND THROWN THE BALL 6 ROWS DEEP!!! Gigi was just like yeah.
I feel like they were the odd couple, with Gigi not saying damn, or using the term beverage instead of beer, and Welsh wanting kegs in the booth and what not.
Personally Welsh is my favorite. I’d like to go drink with the man.
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by justin007000 on Nov 16, 2009 7:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Someone in Japan
told me he once heard Brantley blast one of his coworkers during a commercial break. They didn’t mute the announcers, so fans in Japan heard him angrily and profanely tell his partner not to interrupt him when he was talking. The partner replied, “I just thought the fans might want to know what’s happening in the game.”
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by BubbaFan on Nov 16, 2009 10:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ESPN days?
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by justin007000 on Nov 17, 2009 12:09 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not surprisingly, some of the best audio is between innings when the listener can't hear it
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by jch24 on Nov 17, 2009 12:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
have any stories on old sMarty?
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by justin007000 on Nov 17, 2009 12:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
More than you can imagine
I’ll be happy to tell them sometime over a beer. No permanent record and all that noise. Mary is a GREAT person, love him to death.
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by jch24 on Nov 17, 2009 12:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
perhaps a burger fest can be arranged between december 18th and christmas?
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by justin007000 on Nov 17, 2009 1:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My birthday is Christmas
I usually have some sort of get together the week before, how does Dec. 19th look for you?
RR folk, can we do a one-time special burger tour stop on 12/19? I get to choose though, fuckers.
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by jch24 on Nov 17, 2009 1:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think i will be home by then
the fiance is taking me home, and I should be home by then.
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by justin007000 on Nov 17, 2009 2:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I can't make it on the 19th
but then I don’t really like you guys anyway.
Definitely a good argument.
by Slyde on Nov 17, 2009 7:34 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
definitely a good argument
Made from 100% Recycled Awesome,
by 'tHan on Nov 17, 2009 8:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
but but but
we could meet again.
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by justin007000 on Nov 17, 2009 2:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
work commitments?
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by obc2 on Nov 17, 2009 5:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Holiday party
Definitely a good argument.
by Slyde on Nov 17, 2009 5:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
can me and jch attend?
Holiday Party Crashers, sounds like fun!
(the scary part is we might both be on our best behavior by that timeframe)
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by obc2 on Nov 17, 2009 5:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
trying to clean up your act so that Santa still brings you presents?
Definitely a good argument.
by Slyde on Nov 17, 2009 5:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I promise no such thing
Especially if my birthday is being celebrated. I reserve the right to be even more horrible than I normally am.
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by jch24 on Nov 17, 2009 6:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ignore this, I read obc's comment wrong
My retarded.
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by jch24 on Nov 17, 2009 6:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Heck, I might be able to make the 19th.
I could make the LONG drive down from Xenia.
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by ZJiff30 on Nov 17, 2009 7:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i'll be out of town
looks like it’s just you and justin! it’s a date!
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by 'tHan on Nov 17, 2009 8:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Buck up kids, we're goin' back to Quatman's
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by BK on Nov 17, 2009 10:17 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Adonis Burger Night
i’d bet every last cent i have that’s what he chooses.
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by obc2 on Nov 17, 2009 5:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
maybe the 20th?
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by justin007000 on Nov 17, 2009 5:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If 'tHan is out of town...I'll have to go i his stead. I owe him one.
However I never intend to set foot in Squatman’s again. Maybe Brian could come down and we could go to OB’s – Slyde’s been there but he’s never had an O’BryonBurger.
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by Madville on Nov 17, 2009 6:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Mary is a great person?
Freudian slip?
by Brendanukkah on Nov 17, 2009 7:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They did one broadcast several years ago
Where each inning was done in a different decade of technology. They started out just using a single camera, then added maybe one or two more, and started showing the names of players at bat, and progressed from there. It was pretty cool.
by Brendanukkah on Nov 15, 2009 8:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i've been arguing for this for years
every Sunday should be Old Time Baseball Day. Bring back the organ!
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by obc2 on Nov 15, 2009 10:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's what she said
Definitely a good argument.
by Slyde on Nov 15, 2009 10:33 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Wait until you get raelly old like my Mom.
She’s 98. she’ll be 99 in January. she became a fan years and years ago. She said it was because the game was easy to follow and you could chat and enjoy the people you are with during a game. At 98 she still follows the Reds but doesn’t like to wathc them on TV because of the replays and excessive commercials (she really can’t see that well anyway). she finds that the radio announcers are too ‘damn negative’ all the time.
Still it is the game that she loves and can follows the action pretty well at an advanced age. Most of the people in her retirement community follow baseball avidly. Most of them are not up to traveling 3 hours to a game by bus, sitting in the less than comfy seats for 3 more hours, going someplace for dinner and then another 3 hours back on the road home.
There are millions of older fans that don’t go to the game, or can’t. These folks love the game. To entice those older folks that can still enjoy a day at the park to attend more games, the Reds could offer a seniors discount on everything from tickets to beers. This discount would have to be meaningful cause 10% or 15% just don’t get it these days. Maybe a 25% senior discount with proof age for those over the age of 64.
I think a similar discount for kids 12 and under would work too,
Of course these discounts are predicated on the Reds first having a ticket price reduction across the board, like the one Justin proposes.
Getting people to the games, making it fun and affordable = people coming back multiple times a season. the more they come back the more opportunity the Reds have to increase revenues. the business of baseball is a volume game at the stadium.
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by Madville on Nov 15, 2009 8:40 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
a discount of the offical parking would help too or even give them cheap access to the parking garage under the stadium
because i think accessability for some fans can be an issue.
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by justin007000 on Nov 15, 2009 2:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Old folks know how the game is supposed to be played, watched, and listened to.
And it’s not the way Chris Welsh has to explain everything to us like we’re 3-year olds.
by Brian B on Nov 15, 2009 5:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
honestly though i think if my dead grandfather (who remembers watching Babe Ruth Play) went to an MLB game today
he would be horrified by the gimmicks. I think the last game he went to was in the 90s, maybe early 2000s, but the Reds seem to get worse every year. Their is some sorta stupid promotion or fan game between every inning. They can’t just give you a little 80s music,and let you sit in peace.
The Riverfront Stadium Mr. Reds race was nice, the new races on the jumbo-tron are over done and kinda tacky. I fucking hate the new HD score board, I liked the old one better. It just felt more like it belonged in a ballpark.
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by justin007000 on Nov 15, 2009 6:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
There reportedly a reward out in the underground anti-modernist baseball world, of $10.00 for offing Rosy Red.
For that kind of money its tempting.
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by Madville on Nov 15, 2009 8:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Gapper is higher on my list.
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by justin007000 on Nov 15, 2009 9:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well there is a bonus for Gapper of $15.00..but you've got bag Rosie 1st.
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by Madville on Nov 15, 2009 9:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i've bagged Rosie many of times
that trollop!
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by justin007000 on Nov 15, 2009 10:19 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Because women have NO PLACE in a man's game, amirite, dudes?!
IAN! I'm on traain!
by andromache on Nov 15, 2009 10:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
High Five!
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by jch24 on Nov 16, 2009 12:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They need A League of Their Own
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by ZJiff30 on Nov 16, 2009 12:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
One of the great stories this year
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by jch24 on Nov 16, 2009 12:44 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Thats adorable and charming, I have to agree with you
and rec’ing it as such.
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by Cy Schourek on Nov 16, 2009 1:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder what benefit a light-rail system would be to attendence? That’s something the whole city needs.
Another idea I had was to create one or two games a year that are completely general admission. Season-ticket holders wouldn’t get tickets for these games. Also, these games could have half-priced beer for the duration. These would be the ‘party’ games, and could start late (say 9:00 on a Saturday night).
Somthing a bit more minor, but I often thought a beer garden in centerfield (where the grass slope is) could produce revenue, especially if the garden could be rented out by groups. Perhaps, even replace the wall with a transparent fence of some sort. The garden could include some vegetation and green decore to keep from distracting hitters. Plus, the ‘beer garden guests’ could all get a green shirt as part of the package, also to limit distraction. If you haven’t noticed, I kinda like beer and baseball.
None of these are all that innovative, but I don’t get paid to find the answers to line the coffers of Bob and co.. If they aren’t innovative enough to make it work, then someone else likely is. Perhaps it’s someone else’s turn to take over.
by wanderinredsfan on Nov 15, 2009 10:42 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'd love to see some sort of mass transit in Cincinnati, but it's probably not going to happen soon enough to make a difference for me
I’m all for your “party games” idea, but I would say make it a once a month thing.
I’ve long said that if concession prices were anywhere near sane levels, attendance would get a sizable bump. I know a LOT of people who have turned down free seats to ballgames because of the peripheral money having to be spent. I understand you don’t HAVE to spend money at the ballpark but it’s considerably easier to do that than to pack a ton of stuff, especially if you have kids.
I’ve also never quite understood why they can’t have a juniors price for GA tickets. Kids 12 and under pay 60% of the regular ticket price. You’d be getting your money back on concessions, etc. while reaching out to your next generation of fans.
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by jch24 on Nov 15, 2009 11:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't realize there wasn't a kids' price
It’s nice that they allow you to bring food in, though. The Scranton Wilkes-Barre Yankees do not. Sometimes they even search your bags at the gate for contraband. I notice a lot of young families smuggling food in anyway.
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by BubbaFan on Nov 15, 2009 12:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
cincy will never get mass transit, its a dinky lil town
plus, there’s nowhere to put it and few people would use it.
i always pack a cooler for each kid when i take them all out to game. there is no way i’m paying concessions for a family of 4. they each get a set amount of cash to spend on whatever they want but when its gone, its gone.
i like your idea about the next generation of fans but the Reds aren’t going to implement much of a discount for kiddos. besides, its hard to beat a $5 game day outer view ducat, and they’re always available.
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by obc2 on Nov 15, 2009 12:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree about the mass transit. It’s an obvious solution to so many transit problems, especially if fuels regress back to pre-recession prices. In fact, Covington is well on it’s way to working out the logistics for building rail along the river, along with a perpendicular line towards Ft. Wright. I’m not sure where the financial prospectus stands currently, with the recession and all, but there were/are serious discussions and interest. It’s a long-shot, but it may be closer to reality than a lot of folks believe.
And there is always room to install one. One needs to look no further than Salt Lake City as a model for how streets and rail are integrated as one. Covington, and parts of Cincy, have numerous streets where property values are severly depressed, thus whole lanes could be converted without much impact economically. That’s not even taking into account under-capacity streets, street-side parking space, and unused railway that currently exists. There are many options, especially if there is political will and projectable savings and/or profit driving such support.
by wanderinredsfan on Nov 15, 2009 1:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think you're right
Barring an economic collapse that makes the Great Depression look like boom times, fuel prices have nowhere to go but up. (One billion Chinese are just entering the automobile age…and it’s going to be difficult if not impossible to maintain, let alone increase, world oil production.) That will make mass transit more appealing. Use of mass transit jumped substantially when gasoline prices spiked the past couple of years. Light rail is also very green compared to other modes of transport.
I would think a city as old as Cincinnati once had a light rail system.
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by BubbaFan on Nov 15, 2009 1:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Excuse me but my folks were married in 1929 and lived throught Great Depression
Our economic situation while dire is nothing like the the GD. When we have folks working for .25 cents a day and food lines around the block…come talk to me.
Yep times are tough not as tough as the GD and rebound will be much quicker than the GDs..mass transit however is a great idea providing jobs, new revenues and helping the palnet.
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by Madville on Nov 15, 2009 4:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
thank you for contextualizing this
all though the worst is not over yet.
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by justin007000 on Nov 15, 2009 4:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's for sure...hell I'm only 60 someday I may be able to spell p-l-a-n-e-t
I could live to 92 or 93…that would be really brutal. I’m hoping for a few more years of cruising blissfully through life and then possibly getting hit by a truck at 80 MPH.Boom Poof Gone..I’ll have the FMM call Brian B:

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by Madville on Nov 15, 2009 5:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This cracked me up for some reason
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by jch24 on Nov 16, 2009 12:46 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It occurs to me
that my original comment might not be clear. I said “barring another Great Depression,” because that is what it would take to lower the price of oil and gas.
The reason the price of oil fell from $150 to about $80, and gas fell from $4 a gallon to less than $3, is because of the economic crisis. It’s all about supply and demand. Supply did not increase, but demand fell, so prices fell. People who don’t have jobs don’t have to drive to work. They buy less, so trucks don’t travel as much. A hundred thousand factories in China shut down, putting millions out of work – temporarily solving their energy crisis, since shuttered factories don’t use coal or oil or natural gas.
It’s actually rather unusual that oil is at $80/barrel now, during the worst recession since the Great Depression. Until a few years ago, oil hovered between $25 and $30. That it’s $80 now suggests that if the economy improves and consumption increases, the price will spike again.
If we do get another Great Depression, I don’t expect it to look like the last one. The Boston Globe had an interesting article about that last year. It pointed out that back in the 1920s, even middle class people spent a huge chunk of their income on food and clothing. The average person had less than 10 outfits. Today, the average person probably can’t even count their outfits.
Food and clothing are far cheaper (relative to income) than they were during the Depression. Today, what we spend huge chunks of change on are things like healthcare and daycare. Those are the things people will struggle to afford.
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by BubbaFan on Nov 15, 2009 5:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
it is interesting that mots people don't seem understand the fuel problem
airlines seem think their woes will end when the economy comes back. Unless they continue to change their buisness model, cut down on regional jets, less flights flown, more flights at high capacity, focus more on connecting large markets, etc, they will be back where they were 18 months ago when they started charging baggage fees, unable to afford to fly their full planes, because they of the cost of jet fuel.
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by justin007000 on Nov 15, 2009 5:40 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
my dad says
that most of the reason that commodity prices fluctuated so wildly was that speculators were essentially manipulating the market. They would write derivatives on prices, and then do things like “round-trip” trades where you sell something and buy it right back (which doesn’t change your position, but shows up as a price-point in the market) to drive the value of their derivatives.
He said that at one point this year or last there were more options written for corn than there was corn to be had — so that if everyone would have exercised at once, there wouldn’t have been enough to go around.
He’s a commodity broker, so he knows the market. On the other hand, he has been known to go in for conspiracy theories now and again.
Just because you’re paranoid, doesn’t mean they’re not after you.
by bbjones on Nov 17, 2009 2:30 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
speculation and the weak dollar is part of it
But not all. It’s froth on top of a genuine increase. One reason oil prices are so high now despite low demand and plenty of inventory is that people are expecting prices to go higher. China, for example, is buying commodities like crazy and storing them, anticipating higher prices or even shortages in the future. A lot of others are, too.
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by BubbaFan on Nov 17, 2009 6:17 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
compared to most cities
its very easy to get around in Cincy therefore most people are not interested in public transportation. how many RR’ers take the bus to GABP?
in theory its a nice concept. in reality no one will use it here.
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by obc2 on Nov 15, 2009 2:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Salt Lake is very easy to get around in too, but their system carries a full-capacity. People will use it if given the choice and it’s cheap.
by wanderinredsfan on Nov 15, 2009 2:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I worked downtown for years
very few people took to bus to work, unless it was a financial necessity. people love their cars.
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by obc2 on Nov 15, 2009 3:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't doubt that
But I think it’s going to change, whether people like it or not. And places that can offer an alternative to cars will be a step ahead of the rest.
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by BubbaFan on Nov 15, 2009 3:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i agree
when our gas prices become equal to what Europeans pay, we will need mass transit, would people rather pay a couple of books to ride the bus, train to work, or pay $10-15 for the convenience of driving?
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by justin007000 on Nov 15, 2009 3:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
"..pay a couple of books to ride the bus.."
Justin, are you dropping some kind of Sir Thomas More science on us?
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Nov 15, 2009 3:33 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
we already know the answer
During the spike to $4 a gallon, demand for mass transit soared. Even in car-worshipping LA, people swarmed to mass transit.
Ironically, cities had trouble providing it. They may be more fuel-efficient that cars, but they still use fuel, and their budgets were decimated by the high prices.
Light rail uses electricity, not gas or diesel. It also has a more upscale reputation than buses, which makes it more appealing to yuppie types.
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by BubbaFan on Nov 15, 2009 3:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
people of all classes use the el and the bus in chicago
the el is the main artery, but the buses provide more localized travel.
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by justin007000 on Nov 15, 2009 3:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The times, they are a-changin.’

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by Fat Vegas Alan on Nov 15, 2009 3:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The train
has gotten really popular in upstate NY, and even people who wouldn’t think of taking a bus take the train into NYC. It’s really amazing how it’s taken off. A few years ago, weekend service was terrible. Every two hours, no express. Now the weekend schedule has trains every hour, many express. People who used to drive take the train in to catch a play on Broadway, go shopping, go to a museum, etc.
Or go to a baseball game. You can drink all you want and not worry about DWI.
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by BubbaFan on Nov 15, 2009 3:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Now that’s a reason to get behind riding rail!
by wanderinredsfan on Nov 15, 2009 4:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you're putting it nicely
a lot of people in the midwest think buses are “for black people.” i see it all the time when people from the midwest first come to dc and look down their noses at those who ride buses. eventually they come to see the practicality of it and put their bigotry aside.
i remember riding RTA in dayton as a kid all the time with my grandparents. this was the eighties, so not exactly that long ago, but there wasn’t the same disdain for public transport in ohio as there is now. and since times really are changing, i think people will eventually come to realize the benefits of light rail in cincy.
by Daedalus on Nov 16, 2009 1:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I still much prefer to take the Metro in DC
Or walk. Or drive. Or maybe take a cab. Can’t remember the last time I took a bus.
Christ, I’m racist. Or don’t know the bus routes off the top of my head to know quickly which one I would need to take.
by Brendanukkah on Nov 16, 2009 3:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Taking the bus is more of a hassle
In NYC, the subway is really easy to navigate. Well, except for Paul Janish. You can look at the map, and see where you have to get off, what line you have to switch to, etc.
The bus is really confusing. Which stop to wait at, where to transfer, how much it costs, etc., is much harder to figure out.
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by BubbaFan on Nov 16, 2009 4:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I use both in Chicago
Depending on the time of the day and congestion on Lake Front Blvd it can be faster to take the bus downtown rather than the el. It seems the the north side red line is perpetually under construction with work zone speed limits, and reduced number of tracks, causing the train to slow down, or have to stop and wait for another train to pass by.
Like I said the el makes up Chicago’s main artery’s and the buses provide transportation to more localized transportation, so rather than walking two or three miles after I get off the train I take the bus.
I have a CTA-Pass so it is all free to me.
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by justin007000 on Nov 16, 2009 5:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
a number of white people use the bus in Chicago
Get on a Chicago bus the next time you are in America’s finest city, and you will find a number of professionals in coats and ties heading home for the day.
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by justin007000 on Nov 16, 2009 5:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Last time My wife and i were in chicago we used the El and buses alot
easy, quick, inexpensive and there was only one murder on the El. (Just kidding).
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by Madville on Nov 16, 2009 5:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i use the El in Chicago also
I dont, however, tend to use it in Des Moines, Cheyenne, Dayton, Nashville, Charleston or Savannah.
I have ridden the monorail at Walt Disney World, also.
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by obc2 on Nov 16, 2009 8:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The monorail in Seattle is perhaps the most pointless thing I've ridden since I rode the monorail in North Haverbrook
It costs more than the DC Metro (which is already on the high end of things), goes between two destinations (that is, you can only ride it to one place), and that destination is less than half a mile away, easily walkable. And one of the terminal points is at the Space Needle, which is the pitching wedge girl equivalent of landmarks – looks like a good idea from far away, but seems worse and worse the closer you get.
by Brendanukkah on Nov 16, 2009 8:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
well it wasn't designed to be a long term transportation system
it was designed for Seattle’s Worlds fair in 1962, to transport people between downtown and the fair. I’m guessing the Space Needle was the center of the Fair.
Buildings built for the Word’s Fair are quite often of little long term value, and tend to be at there best from a distance. Only one or two buildings from Chicago’s 1893 World’s Fair still exist, most were only meant to be used for the Fair and then torn down.
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by justin007000 on Nov 16, 2009 8:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They could have used them to store wigs.
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Nov 16, 2009 9:03 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
alan you're my inspiration, my muse...
The guy whose cool jpgs and crisp and unique humor really drew me into RR. Then after I met your wife…well my admiration went up significantly as I couldn’t believe that guy who looks as goofy as you (in a manly way of course) could have such a hot babe for a wife who is also intelligent and well dressed!
I began using jpgs in my commentary as hommage to you FVA and continue to do so even now. although reign as the king of jpgs.
Now why don’t you and Brendan get a room…..I have some work to do on Slyde’s novel.

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by Madville on Nov 16, 2009 10:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you, Mads.
No one has ever said such nice things about my wife while posting a picture of an overweight camel-toed Elvis impersonator.
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Nov 17, 2009 9:37 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I hadn't noticed the camel tow until now, thanks buddy.
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by jch24 on Nov 17, 2009 10:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I believe that's referred to as a "moose knuckle"
by Brendanukkah on Nov 17, 2009 11:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I believe that's referred to as a "moose 'nukkah"
by Brendanukkah on Nov 17, 2009 7:28 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Just when you think someone got him, he raises the bar
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by jch24 on Nov 17, 2009 7:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
also
Earlier this Decade there were plans in the work to extend the Monorail system to make a viable mass transportation system in Seattle. Voters being dumb, greedy, short sited, and thinking but it will cost me $20 a year to build this voted it down.
I have a great disdain for voters and think democratic-fascism (or old style republicanism with a small r) is the way to go.
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by justin007000 on Nov 16, 2009 9:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Seattle voters suck!
They could have still had a basketball team if they weren’t so greedy!
by Brendanukkah on Nov 16, 2009 9:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i'm being serious
voters are fucking stupid when it comes to mass transit. They miss the big picture and only think about there own pocket books.
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by justin007000 on Nov 16, 2009 10:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
mass transit was bullshit!
ecw! ecw! ecw!
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by 'tHan on Nov 16, 2009 10:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
when i become dictator
you will be the first to go.
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by justin007000 on Nov 17, 2009 12:09 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i look forward to it
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by 'tHan on Nov 17, 2009 8:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
it will be fun.
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by justin007000 on Nov 17, 2009 2:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
they don't even think of their pocketbooks
think of all the gas and parking they save when they ride public transit. just for example, i pay $60 a month for metro. if i had a car (i sold mine when i came back here), i’d pay about $150 per month in gas just to go to and from work (25 mpg in the city, 5 miles each way per day, nearly $3 a gallon in DC). Then there’s the parking costs – $10 a day (early bird, which i’d miss since i never come into work before 10am) times 22 days of work a month – $220.
(Wow, first time I really thought about this. That’s a massive savings.)
by Daedalus on Nov 17, 2009 11:44 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And don't forget the savings from not carrying insurance.
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Nov 17, 2009 11:56 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
well, i imagine people would still have a car
just not use it to go to work.
and then think about NOT having to sit in that traffic?
by Daedalus on Nov 17, 2009 12:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't get me started on the crime that was committed upon Sonics fans
I’m one of about 1,000 NBA fans left in the country and it infuriates me to see what happened to them. It was the Cleveland Browns times five.
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by jch24 on Nov 17, 2009 12:30 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
who cares about seattle?
If they were so great they wouldn’t be in the Northeast.
espn’d
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by 'tHan on Nov 17, 2009 8:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
SBNation does, apparently
The Sounders are the MLS team with an SBNation blog.
Fucking Sounders…
by Brendanukkah on Nov 17, 2009 9:43 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
again, i'm retarded
i meant Northwest
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by 'tHan on Nov 17, 2009 10:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
speaking of northeast
i was at a restaurant last night that had on espn, and i saw espn advertise its strictly boston website, espn.boston.com or something like that. i almost puked. do they have espn.cincinnati?
also, the sound was off but they had on the cc, and i saw the football people actually say, should we start talking about cincinnati like we do the patriots, giants, and colts? it was in a way that acknowledged (and they looked proud of it) that espn only focuses on a few big markets.
by Daedalus on Nov 17, 2009 11:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think they have Boston, New York and Philadlephia
Maybe Chicago and LA?
I’m sure that they would like to do every sports city but like everyone else, they’re trying to figure out how you make money on the internet.
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Nov 17, 2009 11:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Chicago and Boston are the only ones, I think
Chicago was their first local site.
Definitely a good argument.
by Slyde on Nov 17, 2009 12:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They either have added Dallas
Or are going to soon.
by Brendanukkah on Nov 17, 2009 12:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know that that's how they meant it
I think they meant in context of football ability. Though thinking over it now, it betrays something of a bias. The Colts are clearly the class of the NFL this season, but no one would argue that ESPN is always catering to Indianapolis. However, the Patriots and to a greater degree the Giants don’t deserve to be in the discussion of which football team is best this year. The New Orleans Saints do, and yes, the Bengals do.
The mainstream sports media at large, and ESPN as well, has a hard time of letting go of players and teams that used to be good, but aren’t that way anymore. And it happens that two of those teams are in New York and Boston. So I guess your point stands, too.
by Brendanukkah on Nov 17, 2009 12:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I know they have chicago, boston, and new york
I also wanna say Dallas(???) and LA for some reason.
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by jch24 on Nov 17, 2009 3:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
From NYT 7/20/09
Now, after a promising test run in Chicago, ESPN is adding local offshoots to three more cities. On Monday, ESPN, which is owned by the Walt Disney Company, plans to announce local Web sites in New York, Los Angeles and Dallas — in what executives say is only the "first inning" of their effort to provide hyperlocal sports coverage in cities across the country.
They’re innovatin.’
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Nov 17, 2009 3:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And from Wikipedia:
Local Pages
ESPN started local chapters of its website in response to the decline of local sports coverage available as newspapers continue to go out of business across the country.2 Each page covers local pro and college teams using locally known writers and the city’s ESPN Radio affiliate. Speculation is that each site will eventually expand into high school sports coverage.
[edit]Current
ESPNChicago.com
ESPNBoston.com
ESPNDallas.com
[edit]Future
ESPNNewYork.com
ESPNLosAngeles.com
ESPNPittsburgh.com
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Nov 17, 2009 3:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ahem, Pittsburgh? Really?
Oh right, except for the Pirates they have some pretty damned good sports teams.
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by jch24 on Nov 17, 2009 3:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They're innovatin'
as in, they are taking reporters from newspapers and paying them to do their work on the internet.
Definitely a good argument.
by Slyde on Nov 17, 2009 3:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
better than
not paying them to do their work on the Internet.
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by BubbaFan on Nov 17, 2009 4:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The NY World's fair buildings almost let a bug get away with the galaxy
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by jch24 on Nov 17, 2009 12:28 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I wish I could rec this twice
Once for North Haverbrook and once for pitching wedge girl, although my version is “looks like a good play from 80 yards away”.
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by jch24 on Nov 17, 2009 12:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i'd be really imprssed if you used the el in any of those places.
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by justin007000 on Nov 16, 2009 8:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
If you have a transportation pass it’s easier. A lot of cities have “zones,” though, with different prices depending on how many zones you cross, which is a pain if you’re an out of towner paying cash.
Weirdly, I have some friends who use the bus all the time, but never use the subway. They are mostly older women, and I think they remember when the NYC subway was dangerous. They feel safe on the bus, because there’s a driver, and it’s above ground, where everyone can see you and you can jump out if necessary. They thought I was crazy for using the subway.
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by BubbaFan on Nov 16, 2009 5:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
one of my roommates doesn't mind the elevated part of the el
but will avoid going underground if possible.
The subway has a driver. Do they think it is like a giant electric train set?
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by justin007000 on Nov 16, 2009 6:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
"Oh my. The entire tunnel appears to be on fire."

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by Fat Vegas Alan on Nov 16, 2009 6:53 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
There's a driver
But not in each car.
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by BubbaFan on Nov 16, 2009 10:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
but the el is soooo quiet!
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by 'tHan on Nov 16, 2009 5:30 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I rode the bus today!
I have needed an incentive for my three year-old to not piss his pants at preschool and I realized last week that each week of success in my previous program would mean a rather decadent M/W/F schedule of Wendy’s junior Frosties so I told him we’d go downtown and back on “City Bus” if he stayed dry.
Hooray! He stayed dry! So we rode the #10 down to the statehouse and ran around on the lawn and climbed on some statues and cannons and stuff and then rode the #10 back home.
By the way, I’m white.
So are my kids.
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Nov 16, 2009 6:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I've met you, and you're no white.
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by jch24 on Nov 16, 2009 7:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wait.
Didn’t you just call me ‘honkey’ in another thread?
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Nov 16, 2009 7:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I use honkey as a term of affection, 'sall good.
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by jch24 on Nov 16, 2009 7:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, I figured as much.
I feel the love.
I was just trying to figure out how I wasn’t white. :)
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Nov 16, 2009 7:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
so what if im white and my kids aren't?
quite a dilemma here. i need guidance from RR on racial matters, obviously.
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by obc2 on Nov 16, 2009 8:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
//Thurmond'd
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by justin007000 on Nov 16, 2009 8:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Because you're the most down brotha I know?
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by jch24 on Nov 17, 2009 12:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
that is a really nice story.
that is why i hope to have grandchildren one day.
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by justin007000 on Nov 16, 2009 7:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and this isn't true in all midwestern cities
Pittsburgh has an excellent bus system, my fiance and many of her classmates didn’t need cars, because the buses took them where they needed to go. I even took the bus to the Symphony with her, and there were a number of white people on the bus, students and professionals.
Even after she started keeping a car on campus she still frequently used the bus to get around the downtown area. She said the only real advantage to her car was for grocery shopping and going home.
I do miss my car when I go to the store. Carrying a 12 pack of coke 5 blocks isn’t fun.
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by justin007000 on Nov 16, 2009 5:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
but carrying a case of Old Style tall boys four blocks to a MegaBus stop
is a great time. i highly recommend it.
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by obc2 on Nov 16, 2009 8:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
actually not having a car has decreased my beer consumption
everytime i’m at the store, I think, do i really want to carry this?
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by justin007000 on Nov 16, 2009 8:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Innovate!

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by Fat Vegas Alan on Nov 16, 2009 9:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
roommate and are thinking about it
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by justin007000 on Nov 16, 2009 9:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You should create..
’Justin’s Double Book’
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Nov 16, 2009 9:38 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
that one took me a few seconds
clever
by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 16, 2009 10:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
isn't it time for you to go away until like March
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by justin007000 on Nov 16, 2009 10:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Tremendous.
Calmer than you are.
by 3 Fast 3 Furious on Nov 17, 2009 8:40 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Light rail almost had a chance until Deer Park decided some dude's auto body shop was more important
Would have taken away some of his parking lot of something.
I forget the complete story, but remember reading it in the Suburban Life Press. My parents still make jokes about it to this day, b/c of the mighty power Deer Park (of all suburbs) has over a mass transit project for the Greater Cincinnati Area
Ah light rail, what a novel concept.
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 16, 2009 11:20 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
light rail
The Reds could be a major contributor to a light rail system that runs ballgame routes. Sell drinks on the train and discount tickets when you ride the rail. But they won’t. They don’t even use the FREE river to do that.
by Brian B on Nov 15, 2009 5:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That would be kind of cool
You’d think one of the local tour boat operators would offer a ballgame cruise. (There are tour boats, aren’t there?)
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by BubbaFan on Nov 15, 2009 5:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yep
sometimes they even go by the stadium and toot their horns, i’ll though I don’t seem to remember that happening at any games I went to in 2009.
Sometimes during games, back when the Delta Queen still sailed from Cincinnati to New Orleans if was arriving or departing Cincinnati it would regale the ballpark with pipe organ music.
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by justin007000 on Nov 15, 2009 6:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you know what could be an awesome package
a riverboat tour and a game. The boat leaves Indiana at say 4:00, serves dinner and include two free drinks, more drinks can be bought, the patrons. Along with dinner the passengers get a nice tour of the Ohio River, and arrive at the ballpark at 6. Baseball tickets are included with the price of the tour, but there can be different prices for different levels of tickets, like $15 more per person who sits field level as opposed to view level.
The Reds could charter this boat and reap all the profits. Or the Reds could have a party boat, which does basically what i said, and it can be used for parties and corporate events, and everybody who is on the boat tour, sits in the Cincinnati Bell boat deck or whatever the fuck they call it.
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by justin007000 on Nov 15, 2009 6:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd sign up for that!
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by BubbaFan on Nov 15, 2009 6:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
the only problem with that could be
is everybody’s car would be in Indiana, so they would have to take the boat back after the game, making for some late nights, I guess they could open up the bar, but while I don’t hold view points similar to MADD, I do think having a boat bar taking people back to their cars might not be the best idea. Maybe it could leave from a Cincinnati location and do a tour, and return intime for the game.
They could also have longer tours that bring people in from Louisville and Lexington, maybe an overnight package, the boat leaves those cities Saturday afternoon, take in the Saturday night game, spend a night in the Westin after the game, go to the Sunday Matinee and get on the boat and head back to the respected city. Dinner and drinks are included in both trips.
Cincinnati, Newport, and the Reds could get behind that plan. The Reds would see the immediate profit (if it works), and Cincinnati and Newport would have patrons for their bars, restaurants, and hotels. I doubt it would be viable for every weekend series, but maybe 3 or 4 times a season.
It could be marketed in two ways, and different packages could be sold. It could be a nice romantic couple’s get away, and it could also be a weekend trip for the family. The couples get away would include a hotel room with a single king bed, and perhaps a spa treatment or some shit a lot of couples like to do together, at one of the first class Hotels in Cincinntai. The other package which could be marketed towards familes, or come to think of it young adults looking for a booze cruise, night out in Newport and baseball, could offer a single room with two queen size beds, or even adjoining rooms if the family wants to pay extra. They could even have a family friendly section on the boat, with games and what not for the kids.
Lets do it!!!
"There is no harder thing than to have Glenn Beck outlive your child."-The Onion
by justin007000 on Nov 15, 2009 6:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nitpick: I doubt you could get anyone from Lexington to Cincinnati by boat.
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by andromache on Nov 15, 2009 6:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
that's not very innovative thinking
disappointing to see such a naysayer attitude in a thread with this title
Definitely a good argument.
by Slyde on Nov 15, 2009 7:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Innovation:

"There is no harder thing than to have Glenn Beck outlive your child."-The Onion
by justin007000 on Nov 15, 2009 7:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
PROBLEM
SOLVED!!!
"There is no harder thing than to have Glenn Beck outlive your child."-The Onion
by justin007000 on Nov 15, 2009 7:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hybred

Can make use of the roads and waterways, whichever is convenient.
"There is no harder thing than to have Glenn Beck outlive your child."-The Onion
by justin007000 on Nov 15, 2009 7:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
see

"There is no harder thing than to have Glenn Beck outlive your child."-The Onion
by justin007000 on Nov 15, 2009 7:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hybred?

"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san
by BK on Nov 15, 2009 8:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

"If you have a spaceship and are looking for a hilarious astronaut with an irregular heartbeat and thirty million dollars, I am prepared to leave as soon as tomorrow."
by Fat Vegas Alan on Nov 15, 2009 8:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Indiana is a bad idea.
But leaving from coney Island or river downs is not. Plus, they can throw in hand jobs on the boat.
by Brian B on Nov 15, 2009 9:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not unless they left from the casino
That way, when everyone gets back, they’re drunk and looking to gamble. And there’s a nice cushy hotel there!
"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san
by BK on Nov 15, 2009 9:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i didn't even think about Coney Island
how about this for a package.
Admission to Coney Island with ride and water park privileges, the boat leaves Coney Island at like 4, they serve a nice dinner on the boat, and then they go to the Reds game. Maybe include a meal voucher that gets everyone in your family a hot dog or burger and a Coke from Coney’s concessions.
If they can do that at the right price it can be a nice, reasonably priced day out for the family. The kids can play in the water park, ride Coney’s shit rides, get a boat ride, a nice dinner, and a baseball game. I would have loved a day like that when I was 10. Fuck when I went to Coney with my dad, we went once every summer, I could ride the bumper boats for hours.
Plus Coney Island is old timey enough they could market it as such. Take a step back in time blah blah blah, with our charming amusement park and national past time, and water transportation. Start out with some nice black and white footage, and then show some little kid going down a water slide,or jumping in teh pool with a big smile on their face, then sitting on the boat with their parents with a big smile on their face, than sitting at GABP with a big smile on their face.
At the end have the kid on the boat with parents saying can we do this again? PLEASE!!!
And the parents smile and say something that will appeal to adults.
"There is no harder thing than to have Glenn Beck outlive your child."-The Onion
by justin007000 on Nov 15, 2009 10:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You left out the hand jobs.
My dad is afraid Coney is going to sell out to casinos now that the vote passed. Coney just doesn’t pull in that much cash anymore, apparently.
by Brian B on Nov 15, 2009 11:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
well it is a throw back
and for $79.95 one can get a 2010 season pass to Coney, and for like $94.95 one can get a 2010 season pass for Kings Island. For a while Coney Island had some what of a niche with sunlight pool and the related water slides. Today Kings Island also has a water park, so the only reason to go to Coney is really for the ambiance of what American amusement parks used to be. Yeah Coney is a little cheaper than Kings Island, but a $21.95 for an all day pool/ride pass, it isn’t exactly cheap.
The only reason I can see for somebody to be a regular at Coney Island rather than Kings Island, is they live really close to Coney Island and it is a convenient summer attraction, other than that Kings Island will dominate the region.
I almost feel like Coney Island needs to be declared a landmark. I know it may not be financially viable anymore, but as a historian I can see the cultural history of America in that park.
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by justin007000 on Nov 15, 2009 11:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Coney Island is gorgeous and it's one of my favorite places in the world.
But I have young children. Once they get to be eight, nine or ten years old, I realize that “amusement park” will come to mean: “stand in line with hundreds or other sweaty families on King’s Island’s asphalt.”
"If you have a spaceship and are looking for a hilarious astronaut with an irregular heartbeat and thirty million dollars, I am prepared to leave as soon as tomorrow."
by Fat Vegas Alan on Nov 16, 2009 12:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I completely agree with you
but i was looking at it from a cold hard business perspective, and the perspective of the average consumer.
Even when i was 10 and 11 I enjoyed going to Coney Island with my dad. We’d spend must of the day by sunlight pool, maybe hit up the bumper boats and what not. I feel like actually I would prefer a day at Coney, I enjoy quint old timey things. I also know that most people would rather wait in line 3 hours to ride the beast, than spend 3 hours sitting by sunlight pool.
"There is no harder thing than to have Glenn Beck outlive your child."-The Onion
by justin007000 on Nov 16, 2009 2:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This is a non sequitor (however you spell)
but i was looking at it from a cold hard business perspective, and the perspective of the average consumer
You have to be suffering from multiple personality disorder to that.
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by Madville on Nov 16, 2009 2:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you know i almost tried to explain
then i realized you were invoking humor.
"There is no harder thing than to have Glenn Beck outlive your child."-The Onion
by justin007000 on Nov 16, 2009 3:43 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not if she's making me a cheese sandwich
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by jch24 on Nov 16, 2009 12:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Robots.
Problem solved.
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Nov 16, 2009 1:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Do they still actually race @ River Downs?
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 16, 2009 11:25 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i think so or my grandmother is senile
since she talks about the races she has been to over the past few years.
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by justin007000 on Nov 16, 2009 10:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
When I'm in the Greater Cincinnati Area, Turfway gets my pony betting money
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 17, 2009 1:46 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I would rather light a pile of money on fire and piss it out than bet on horses
The money will end up the same, not in my hands and completely wasted in my opinion.
Get me on a blackjack table however……
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by jch24 on Nov 17, 2009 1:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
respect my grandmother
she is like a less rich Marge Schott.
A sweet little old lady who spent her entire life in Cincinnati and lacks the progressive thoughts we have, but I look the otherway.
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by justin007000 on Nov 17, 2009 2:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You know what could be an awesome package
as well an innovative?
Putting a winning product on the field for the Reds.
Forget breaking out the smoke and mirrors to put butts in seats, but better players on the field.
Novel concept!
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 16, 2009 11:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
or Thirsty Thursdays
$1 beers make the Freedom a delightful alternative to MLB.
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by obc2 on Nov 16, 2009 8:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
FF games are a VERY nice alternative
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by jch24 on Nov 17, 2009 1:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, the Reds could do Dime a dog AND $1 Beers
Could be the best $5 ever spent
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 17, 2009 1:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ten dogs, four beers?
I might have to kick obc outta the family restroom at that point.
"Santa Claus doesn't use Craigslist." -- 'tHan
by jch24 on Nov 17, 2009 1:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
are MLB teams allowd to do $1 Beers
i felt like MLB has made some MLB alcohol price regulations.
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by justin007000 on Nov 17, 2009 2:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
a lot of people don't know that fridays at GABP are happy hour fridays
beers are $3 at that place out in centerfield from when the gates open until game time. i know $1 is better than $3, but $3 is not bad at all. i only went to one of them and was surprised at how few people there were, but i wondered if they just don’t advertise it enough?
i think they should switch it to thursdays and have more places where you can get $3 beers.
by Daedalus on Nov 17, 2009 11:58 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
we had a rr outing centered around that happy hour
the line was long and the beers were tiny. i think they were 10 oz.
Made from 100% Recycled Awesome,
by 'tHan on Nov 17, 2009 1:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Free beer would help attendance. A lot.
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by Madville on Nov 15, 2009 11:38 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
So
looks like the Steelers-Bengals game is a barn-burner. If you like field goals, anyway.
My friend in Pittsburgh must be biting her fingernails off right about now.
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by BubbaFan on Nov 15, 2009 3:41 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
i'm watching with my steelers fan roommate
we are both preoccupied though, so neither of us are shouting or anything. It got ugly last time.
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by justin007000 on Nov 15, 2009 3:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Jets game is over
Jacksonville kicked a FG with no time left on the clock.
They’re promising to switch to the Cincinnati game, so I’ll get to see the end of this one.
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by BubbaFan on Nov 15, 2009 3:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
holy cow
I guess the Bengals are for real.
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by BubbaFan on Nov 15, 2009 4:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Huber! Graham!
Feel the excitement!
I’m nervous about the Bearcats, though. Friday was the first game in a while that they haven’t imposed their will on offense.
I watched the UC game with Gray, though. Over pizza and beers we didn’t pay for. Good times.
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by Cy Schourek on Nov 15, 2009 4:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Football capital of the world
Cincinnati?
The man who will one day be President is, at this moment, lying in his cradle, trying to find some strategic way to get his big toe in his mouth.
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by poojols on Nov 15, 2009 8:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
A combined 17-2 so far this season
I’d say that statement’s not far off.
"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san
by BK on Nov 15, 2009 8:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wooden Nickel Nights
In April, every Monday night is ‘One Dollar Wooden Nickel Night.’
In May, they’re every Monday and Tuesday night.
In June, they’re every Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday night.
In early July, they’re every Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday night.
Why would you give the Reds a dollar for a wooden nickel? Well, you wouldn’t. You’d give them a dollar for four wooden nickels. Four wooden nickels especially minted and printed for each of the Reds’ ‘Wooden Nickel Nights.’ What will the wooden nickels get you?
1] IN THE GAME. Yes, it’s ticket. No, it’s not ‘redeemable for a ticket.’ It’s the actual ticket. (And it says so right on the wooden nickel!) You’ve got your four wooden nickels and you walk up to Great American to one of the two or three certain gates and ::plunk:: you drop your first wooden nickel in a red wooden box (with the logo of a corporate sponsor tastefully painted on the sides… and you notice that the same corporate logo is on one side of the nickel itself) and you are in the stadium and headed to your seat in the certain designated general admission areas (you know, we’re talking upper deck/down the lines/in the outfield and whatnot) but before you pick your seat you’re gonna wanna redeem your second wooden nickel for….
2] A HOT DOG Kahn’s or John Morrell or Bob Evans or Eckrich or hell, Target or somebody’ll sponsor this. The wooden nickel has a corporate logo printed on one side and ‘Redeem for a hot dog’ printed on the other. You look for certain designated concession stands with the large red wooden boxes and you have yourself some dinner! “Baby, these two dogs only cost us fifty cents so of course I’ll buy you a pop! Pepsi or lemonade?… Bud Light!? Ah, why not? We’re saving money here, right?”
But wait. There’s more! You’ve still got some wooden nickels, right? good. Because the Reds want to sell you..
3] A SOUVENIR A hat or a ball? Your choice! Yes, a decent looking Reds cap or a real baseball that you can really hold and enjoy that damn-it-feels-good-to-hold-a-baseball feeling. And it only cost you a nickel. Now, again.. specially designated souvenir stands with large red boxes and some corporate logos aaaand… properly trained souvenir ‘specialists’ (they’ll be all cute and perky and fresh-faced like you just walked into the Gap) to help you with your hat/ball decision and also quickly and politely up-sell you a bumper sticker or a foam finger or a no. 32 replica jersey.
Oh, you went with #19 instead? That’s cool. Now get to your seat. the anthem’s about to start. But you wanna redeem your last wooden nickel?
4] KEEP IT. Wooden Nickel Nights only run through the first homestand in July but if you save up four of these specially marked ‘keepers’ you can come back to a game in late July for FREE, you crazy all-summer-long Reds fan, you! ::plunk..plunk..plunk..plunk:: Right in the big Red box with the Frisch’s Big Boy on top.
Wooden Nickel Nights! The stadium fills up on any given weeknight. People are standing in line to buy sodas and t-shirts. And everybody in the Tri-Sates (and beyond!) is talking about the Cincinnati Reds!
"If you have a spaceship and are looking for a hilarious astronaut with an irregular heartbeat and thirty million dollars, I am prepared to leave as soon as tomorrow."
by Fat Vegas Alan on Nov 16, 2009 12:15 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
In the somehow-not-possible event you AREN'T kidding.....
You have not sufficiently considered the monetary undertaking necessary to make this happen
And to cut off the obvious counterargument, good luck with getting corporate sponsors to pay.
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by jch24 on Nov 16, 2009 12:58 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
United and American airlines sponser sports arrena's
and they are broke.
United is in such bad shape, it can’t afford the maintenance on its older 737’s, which is why they retired their entire 737 fleet, but they can’t afford new metal either. So they had no longer have a presence in Ft. Lauderdale or West Palm Beach, because they don’t have any planes to fly there. In other cities they are reducing frequencies, or contracting more flights out to their regional partners, in part with the general capacity cuts that are occurring throughout the industry, but partly because they don’t have enough main line aircraft to fly them.
Delta Airlines bought another airline with a fleet that is completely incompatible with its current fleet, a fleet that is also aging, long standing customer service issues, and hubs close to already created Delta hubs, simply because it could. Now Delta is struggling to have enough cash/credit on hand to continue day to day operations, and if things continue like this the whole airline will shutdown in 2 years. They mainly bought Northwest so they could improve their Asian routes utilizing Northwest’s hub in Tokyo. They are starting to dismantle their newly acquired Japanese hub.
I bet big C could convince the folks at Delta to pony up a few million dollars on top of the already existent Delta Double Play sponsorship, for Delta Dog night at the park.
"There is no harder thing than to have Glenn Beck outlive your child."-The Onion
by justin007000 on Nov 16, 2009 2:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not joking. (Although I guess I don’t expect to be taken completely seriously.)
Look, I realize that I’m talking about what would be a very large commitment by the Reds. But when attendance drops 15% from one season to the next (and it wasn’t in a great place before the drop) fans are telling you that they don’t want to go to the ballpark. The team is improving (incrementally), there are fireworks overhead every weekend, the stadium has new whoopdie-do gizmos but fans are telling you that they don’t want to go to the ballpark.
I don’t think it’s entirely an economic issue (but I do think that nearly-free tickets are the only way to get more than a few hundred extra people to want to go to the ballpark several times throughout the season). I think that most people think of baseball (if they think of it all) as something that baseball fans enjoy. They’ve been to see the new stadium (as part of a company outing or maybe a church event) and they remember that first season that their son used to check the paper to see if Griffey homered. That’s as about as excited for the Reds as most Cincinnatuns have been in the post-Larkin era. The games are on tv for baseball fans to watch in the comfort of their homes and the games are being played downtown if baseball fans want to spend sixty or seventy dollars for an entire baseball-centric evening. Reds baseball kinda merits a big ‘meh’ from most people. Nobody goes to the games and nobody really talks about it much if they do: “We took the kids down to the Reds game on Sunday… Yeah? Yeah.” …That’s it.
If the Reds are looking for innovations that will immediately increase attendance they would be wise to recognize that drastically increased attendance is possible as long as they’re willing to pass up some revenue in order to create a buzz through (and beyond) their regional marketplace. For too long now, baseball owners have operated on the old idea that if they get fans to come to game just once, they’ll hook ‘em and get ’em to come back again. That might have worked twenty or forty years ago but we live in a world with soccer leagues for four year-olds and where people (not just kids and teens) line up at midnight to buy video games and that’s exciting to them. That’s something unique to them and that’s something that they’ll talk about: “Dude, got the Grand Theft Auto last night… No way! You stood in line? Yeah, Trapper and I were there at 6:30. At 11:00 we counted forty-five people behind us. But we were home by 12:30 playing. Stayed up ‘til 5am. I’m goin’ on about an hour and a half of sleep today.”
There are your fans. (Remember that ‘fan’ is short for ‘fanatic.’) They have disposable income, they have free time and they’re looking for something cool to to do with their friends and then later talk about with their friends.
If the Reds want thousands of extra people at each of their home games they’re going to have give (yes, give) their fans something completely new and unexpected. Everybody’s already expecting t-shirt cannons and another crappy bobblehead.
And take another look at how and where you think the Reds lose buckets of money on ‘Wooden Nickel Nights.’ The promotion gets a buck from every fan. The cost of the hot dog is covered. Every fan is then going to buy a drink with their hot dog sooo… the cost of the labor is now recovered.
And every fan is going to stand in a line at a souvenir stand.. that’s something that they might not do on a normal night at the ball park. Wooden Nickel Nights get every participating fan waiting in line for souvenirs at least twice each season. Once for their ball and then again for their hat. (Now.. maybe they’re hooked!)
Yes, corporate sponsorships might be difficult to line up. But that’s somebody’s job with the Cincinnati Reds. This is a unique promotion that is going to go beyond another tacky sign next to the scorebored that 14,000 people might look at. This is a chance to get a logo on a wooden nickel! – something unique (and ironic) and tactile that Bob might show to Susan when they’re standing in line waiting for bagels. Something to talk about. Something buzzy, even.
"If you have a spaceship and are looking for a hilarious astronaut with an irregular heartbeat and thirty million dollars, I am prepared to leave as soon as tomorrow."
by Fat Vegas Alan on Nov 16, 2009 10:15 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I like the idea, don't get me wrong
I think it’s innovative and might actually work if executed. I guess I’ve just become accustomed to dismissing out of hand any plan that involves the team giving up money to make money. It just doesn’t seem to be the way they’re wired.
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by jch24 on Nov 16, 2009 12:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You're in a disfunctional marriage
with the Reds.
You have almost no hope that things will get better and you spend your days counting the ways things suck.
"If you have a spaceship and are looking for a hilarious astronaut with an irregular heartbeat and thirty million dollars, I am prepared to leave as soon as tomorrow."
by Fat Vegas Alan on Nov 16, 2009 1:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You may be right
Although I like to compare it to battered spouse syndrome. “They only re-signed Hernandez to show me how much they care!”
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by jch24 on Nov 16, 2009 1:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
rec'd for the mash reference of "trapper"
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by justin007000 on Nov 16, 2009 1:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I read once
that during the Great Depression, baseball ticket sales actually increased (though revenue likely went down). They lowered the ticket prices to get buns in the seats, and had all kinds of promotions. They gave away groceries. They held beauty contests during the game. They had “Mortgage Nights,” where ticket sales helped out people having trouble paying their mortgage.
But they didn’t put more games on the radio. They were afraid no one would come to the park if they could listen to the game for free.
Shades of MLB.tv’s stupid blackout rules…
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by BubbaFan on Nov 16, 2009 12:25 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Great lets get petition to get t
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by Madville on Nov 16, 2009 2:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and Clownboy fired.
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by Madville on Nov 16, 2009 2:03 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
so i've decided to get a micro-brewery kit in january after I get my spring semester refund check
any micro-brewers on RR?
From my research this seems to be the most highly regarded.
Mr. Beer seemed popular, but this seems better for the long hall, and opinions?
"There is no harder thing than to have Glenn Beck outlive your child."-The Onion
by justin007000 on Nov 17, 2009 12:12 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Just don't make any fruity beers, and don't try and incorporate chocolate into any brews
I’ve had friends go wrong on both accounts.
One thought he could make a chocolate bock.
Another thought he could make his own version of cherry wheat.
I had to wash my mouth out with a PBR and a Natty Ice to get rid of the awful taste.
by Highlifeman21 on Nov 17, 2009 1:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I have a friend that's a homebrewer
And he’s had chocolate beer go wonderfully, wonderfully right.
by Brendanukkah on Nov 17, 2009 7:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Using what? Real chocolate, some kind of flavor extract, or just chocolate malts?
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by andromache on Nov 17, 2009 8:43 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, he was going to Michigan at the time
So probably the ground up bones of infants, and the tears of Wolverines football fans.
(Woo! Michigan Week!)
(hatehatehatehatehatehatehate)
by Brendanukkah on Nov 17, 2009 9:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My brother has that one and loves it.
He’s brewing his annual Christmas Porter for my family’s celebrations soon.
Calmer than you are.
by 3 Fast 3 Furious on Nov 17, 2009 8:42 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of 'innovation'...
Kudos to Mark Sheldon for using the Reds’ MLB awards season shutout as the context for a lil’ hang-in-there-Reds-fans
As the major awards for 2009 baseball season are bestowed during the offseason this year, they probably won’t mean as much to Reds fans this year.
Why? No Reds had the kind of seasons that warranted serious awards consideration. These awards include Rookie of the Year, Most Valuable Player, the Cy Young Award and Manager of the Year. There are also Gold Glove and Silver Slugger Awards.
Although it was a challenging season that included a roster decimated by injuries, several Reds players did emerge with solid years that might have stood out more had the team contended.
First baseman Joey Votto…
"If you have a spaceship and are looking for a hilarious astronaut with an irregular heartbeat and thirty million dollars, I am prepared to leave as soon as tomorrow."
by Fat Vegas Alan on Nov 17, 2009 9:53 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
i'm still not getting hudson winning the GG
he was benched during the last several weeks of the season for RONNIE BELLIARD. WTF? And RONNIE BELLIARD started in the playoffs! Reds fans SHOULD be outraged.
by Daedalus on Nov 17, 2009 12:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
outraged over the GGs?
it’s not really worth it.
Definitely a good argument.
by Slyde on Nov 17, 2009 12:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's what I was thinking.
Unless she’s talking about relative outrage. I could get worked up to that kind of outrage.
Like, they finally made a big-ass Reese’s cup like I’ve been talking about for years but they’re charging $9.99 for a 2-pack! How much does that piss you off?!?!

"If you have a spaceship and are looking for a hilarious astronaut with an irregular heartbeat and thirty million dollars, I am prepared to leave as soon as tomorrow."
by Fat Vegas Alan on Nov 17, 2009 12:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Pff. Clearly such a beautiful thing is beyond price.
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by andromache on Nov 17, 2009 1:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It doesn't.
Reeses’s cups are just pureed Raccoon feces combine with a drop or two of peanut oil poured into a mold and allowed to solidify..
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by Madville on Nov 17, 2009 1:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
mmmmm
that would be really good mixed up in a milk shake.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 17, 2009 6:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

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