Red Reposter - Are Walt and Dusty Seriously Considering Willy Taveras for CF Next Season?
by Charlie Scrabbles on Oct 29, 2009 2:00 PM EDT
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The Fay answers some reader questions
Question from Steve: My question is about the Reds’ current view of Willy Taveras. Do you think they will let him come to spring training and try to win the job from Drew Stubbs and Chris Dickerson, or do you think the Reds will try to move him in the offseason? Do you perceive a split between the way Dusty Baker and Walt Jocketty view Taveras? My sense, from afar, is that as long as WT is around, Baker will play him too much. I’m not naive in thinking the Reds could get anything back for Taveras. They would have to trade him, along with paying part of his salary to interest any team. But my feeling (hope) is that is what they will do, just to take the controversy and temptation away.
Answer: I think Taveras was Jocketty’s guy. But Baker loves the idea of speed at the top of lineup. I don’t think anyone thought Taveras would hit as little as he did or be as rough defensively. I think they would trade in a second if they could. But his $4 million salary makes that difficult. The center field job is Drew Stubbs’ to lose. The problem with Taveras is he doesn’t fit as a bench player. He has no power. He only plays center. I wouldn’t be surprised to see him designated for assignment.
So Fay thinks the T-Virus could be DFA'd. While that is the logical course of action, and most of us have hopefully forgotten all about him already because of Drew Stubbs and Chris Dickerson, he is still on the roster and is being paid $4 mil next season. I'm not sayin' anything, I'm just sayin'... -
MLBTradeRumors has been doing a "Trades Of The Decade" series
and they reviewed the Griffey Trade a few days ago. I'm not going to go back into it because we all know everything about it, but Nick Masset is mentioned as a possible silver lining, described as a "closer of the future". It's not as thrilling as a few World Series', but I suppose I'll take it. -
Doug Gray has been running down his top-40 prospects list this week
I dont think anyone will be surprised to know that Yonder Alonso headlines the list. Check out 11-20, 21-30, and 31-40. We here at RR will be doing our own top prospects list again this winter, so stay tuned. -
Bill at RLN asks if Hal McRae, the recently ousted hitting coach for the Cards, would be an upgrade over Brook Jacoby
I think the real problem with the offense is lack-of-talent, but it certainly couldnt hurt to have a hitting coach who preaches patience. I dont think McRae or Jacoby are that guy. -
The Stadium Journey Blog visited GABP
And he had a good time. "Great American Ball Park is a fabulous place to watch a baseball game. There are comfortable seats angled toward home plate, various standing areas with a perfect view of the field and plenty of attractions that will catch your eye. If you get the chance, be sure to visit home of the Cincinnati Reds. You won’t be disappointed." There is a full breakdown and write-up of the whole stadium experience, so be sure to check it out. -
Spring Training tickets are available for the Reds' inaugural season in Goodyear, AZ
Single game tickets are not available, but you can order 15 or 30-game packages. You can even get a mixed package of Reds and Indians games, which is pretty neat. -
Rob Neyer says Ryan Howard is basically an equal player to...Shin-Soo Choo?
I know all abouts Choo, who was the MVP of my fantasy team this year. But Howard won an NL MVP!! He's led the NL in RBIs 3 of the past 4 seasons!! Neyer is ever the cantankerous curmudgeon, no?
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Lively reposter today, Scrabbles. I thoroughly enjoyed it.
But you forgot to mention the darkhorse candidate for CF next season………..Darnell “Hamburgler” McDonald. That guy had a GREAT couple of weeks somewhere there in August or September. Surely that’s enough to warrant a look at the CF job, no?
I'mma let you finish, but....
by nycredsfan on Oct 29, 2009 2:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Taveras
I just can’t see him getting much playing time. Dusty has basically said the job is Stubbs’ to lose. I hope Fay has the right feeling and wee see Taveras DFA’d this offseason. That would make me feel a lot better about 2010.
by dougdirt on Oct 29, 2009 2:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
you and me both brother
but i still cant shake this nagging feeling that the Reds think he was just unlucky and injured.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Oct 29, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe
But I think the Reds brought him in thinking his bat would be a little lackluster but his defense would be great. Instead they got what they got and well, it just wasn’t what they wanted and now they have what they wanted with Stubbs. Even if Taveras comes back next year I don’t see him starting.
by dougdirt on Oct 29, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i like the way you see things
and hopefully you are right. but i cant rest easy until he gets the DFA.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Oct 29, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Fay is wrong about a good role for Taveras
The problem with Taveras is he doesn’t fit as a bench player. He has no power. He only plays center.
A guy with speed and defensive versatility sounds like an ideal bench player to me.
by ken on Oct 29, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but he only plays CF
that’s not really versatile. and a LIDR should, ideally, be a better defender than the guy he is replacing. i wouldnt mind Taveras as a bench guy if this were the AL, but as it is he should be driving that funny golf ball picker-upper car they use at the driving range sometimes.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Oct 29, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
how can a guy
Who plays CF not be able to play LF and RF?
I know, the ball looks different coming off the bat. But Willy’s the kind of OFer who uses raw speed and atheleticism, not reading the ball off the bat. Surely he can be a defensive upgrade in the corners?
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by BubbaFan on Oct 29, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
logically speaking
of course that makes sense. but im just going by what Fay says and what i assume the Reds think.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Oct 29, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just like last year when Dusty and Walt said catching was Hanigan's job to lose?
by Brian B on Oct 29, 2009 3:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
When did they say that?
Before or after the chance to get Ramon Hernandez came up?
by dougdirt on Oct 29, 2009 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
AP
is calling the Philllies the “New Red Machine.”
NEW YORK – Look out for Cliff Lee, Chase Utley and this New Red Machine. Lee outdueled CC Sabathia, Utley homered twice and the Philadelphia Phillies kept rolling through October, beating the New York Yankees 6-1 on a misty Wednesday night in the World Series opener.
The defending champion Phillies shut down Alex Rodriguez & Co. in the first Series game at the new billion-dollar Yankee Stadium. Trying to become the first NL team to repeat since Cincinnati in 1975-76, the Phils’ 17-4 postseason run is the best in league history.
Big Red Machine, meet your match.
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by BubbaFan on Oct 29, 2009 2:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
team OPS+
08, 09 Phillies – 98, 102
75, 76 Reds – 108, 120(!!!!)
i know it’s just a fluff piece, but common.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Oct 29, 2009 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
eh, don't sweat it.
It’s not like in 20 years, people will look back and think about how the BRM was almost as good as those Phillies. History is history — it’s not going anywhere. I’m happy the Reds are getting press as a positive role model, as it were. I hope the Phillies win — good on them to repeat for the NL. Let the Phils fans have their moment of loveblindness. In retrospect, the Phillies will be seen as a very good team for a couple of years; the BRM will always be seen as a historic team.
Besides, it’s only until 2011-12, when the Reds again become the NL last team to repeat as WS champs. :)
by bbjones on Oct 29, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is easily the most offensive I've read this season.
"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san
by BK on Oct 29, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, I can't wait to see how this looks once this series is over.
Yankees in 5, book it.
"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san
by BK on Oct 29, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
nah
the Phillies get Lee back out there at least one more time. Yankees in 6.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Oct 29, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They can go ahead and get their own damn nickname
Definitely a good argument.
by Slyde on Oct 29, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Whiz Men?
An ancient columnist for the Phila Daily News wrote a laughable piece comparing the BRM to the ‘09 Phils. I don’t see the need. Just be happy with a very good and likeable (I get the feeling others disagree with me) team; no need to compare it to an historic one.
by ken on Oct 29, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i dont dislike the Phils
i cant get enough of Lee and Utley, and guys like Victorino and Werth certainly are charming. what i dont like is how ridiculously misunderstood the team is.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Oct 29, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
they're like the teenagers of the baseball world
Definitely a good argument.
by Slyde on Oct 29, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damn
I knew I’d go to jail for intercourse with Utley! Silver Sluggin’ jailbait.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Oct 29, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's the nut-duster that does it for me.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Oct 29, 2009 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yorman's age
So, Y-Rod looks like he’ll be awesome — someday.
What are the rules on his eligibility? If his minor league service clock starts when he’s 16, doesn’t that make him a minor league free agent by 22? How soon do the Reds have to put him on the 40-man to keep him from slipping away?
Of course, he’s got a long way to go before he’s ready. But it would be a major drag for it to turn into a Wily Mo scenario, where he needs a year at AAA, but instead has to rot on the ML bench.
by bbjones on Oct 29, 2009 4:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
he has 4 more seasons before he has to be put on the 40-man roster
Definitely a good argument.
by Slyde on Oct 29, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sheesh
This is a really dumb thing about the rules. He might not be ready when he’s 21 — most aren’t. There ought to be a mechanism where he can voluntarily stay in the minors longer, with some appropriate contract compensation, when it’s really in everyone’s best interest.
by bbjones on Oct 29, 2009 4:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
as long as he's on the 40-man
He can’t be a 6-year minor league free agent.
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by BubbaFan on Oct 29, 2009 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly
the Reds essentially have 7 more years before they have to bring him up or lose him. 4 more before he must be on the 40 man and then 3 years of options after that. Hopefully 7 years is long enough for him to be ready.
Definitely a good argument.
by Slyde on Oct 29, 2009 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh, I see.
I didn’t realize that part. I was thinking 4 more years is pretty marginal. 7 more is much better. Then he’ll be 24, and either get DFA’d or signed to a ginormous multi-year contract.
Thanks for putting my mind at ease.
by bbjones on Oct 29, 2009 5:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
why start now?
bazinga!
Definitely a good argument.
by Slyde on Oct 29, 2009 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I dunno
They could keep him, but not sign him to a ginormous contract. Votto has eight years in pro baseball now, and no ginormous contract.
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by BubbaFan on Oct 29, 2009 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Holy cow
The lineup has been posted. Cherry is starting instead of Nick Swisher. Batting 7th.
Swish has been kinda sucky in the post-season, so I totally understand why Girardi did it.
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by BubbaFan on Oct 29, 2009 5:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Someone call the small sample size police
Hairston is 10 for 27 in his career against Phillies starter Pedro Martinez.
Not to mention he hasn’t hit against Pedro since dinosaurs ruled the earth.
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by BubbaFan on Oct 29, 2009 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Good old Cherry hudson Jr.
The last living link to the Negro Leagues.
To understand Israel and the Middle East, you must understand Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson. -Glenn Beck (former cocaine addict and pedophile.)
by Madville on Oct 29, 2009 5:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That's racist!
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
by Gray on Oct 29, 2009 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course it relates to Race...it is after all a reference to the Negro Leagues!!!
To understand Israel and the Middle East, you must understand Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson. -Glenn Beck (former cocaine addict and pedophile.)
by Madville on Oct 31, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Neyer
Since his proposition sounds so ridiculous on the face of it, I looked it up (as you knew I would). Guess what? If you believe fangraph’s numbers, Choo was actually slightly more valuable this year than Howard.
While there, I saw this analysis of Jay Hova. I don’t know anything about their analytical ability (especially for fantasy), but the article paints a pretty rosy picture.
"You never know how you look through other people's eyes"
by sidnancy on Oct 29, 2009 7:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i love Choo
and guess what? he was had for the former Red Ben Broussard. that’s a Brandon Phillips-level fleecing.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Oct 29, 2009 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of choices...The Fabulous Mrs. M and I viewed "aSerious Man" this evening.
It has been quite while since I’ve laughed as hard at and yet been as equally challenged to embrace such silly existential irony. Our hero tells his college physics class re: Heisenberg (and for that matter being itself )-“Even if you can’t figure it out, you’re still responsible for it on the midterm”.
This is a bleak movie that wrenches 1967 out of the grave and autopsies its bloated and puss filled corpse right on the screen in front of you. Although relies on an emphasis on Judaism and Jewish ritual and history, that’s just there as a frame of reference. you don’t gotta be a Jew to get this film. It is like using..for example Job as the ground of being…
This is a sad amd empty movie about a the hilarity of meaning, pot and the Jefferson Airplane. not to mention mathematics. sex and F-Troop. Very moving.
Mads gives it an A+
Don’t miss it.
To understand Israel and the Middle East, you must understand Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson. -Glenn Beck (former cocaine addict and pedophile.)
by Madville on Oct 30, 2009 10:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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