Reds give Dick Pole pink slip
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We got a little closer to Dave Duncan today.
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Well, that’s something. If we do somehow get Dave Duncan, I will gladly agree to keep Brook Jacoby around.
Also, Mark Berry continues to have a job.
couple dave duncan with our pitchers
and i could start to believe in/care about the reds again!
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Just think what he could do with our starting pitchers next year...
like Kip Wells and Justin Lehr!
Let me write out a formal proof for you.
Hey 'than, didn't people, especially Oriole fans, believe the same thing about Leo Mazzone?
I wonder if Duncan is magic away from LaRussa and the Cardinals.
Not saying anyone who wants is wrong, just wondering and being a contrarian
I still believe the same thing about Leo Maazone
He shoulda been here the last 2 years
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actually i'm a bit surprised
since Pole and Dusty go back to Chicago and Pole was Dusty’s bench coach.
But maybe we are going to get Dave Duncan.
The Reds need a new manager, one like Putin.
Did you look farther back?
Because Dick Pole may be the only pitching coach Dusty has ever had. I read that somewhere, which is why I say “may,” buy I can’t recall where. Someone who is not mobile right now check on that?
Duncan is tempting, but I think we’ve done fine in the last few years with developing the pitching staff. I’d hate to fuck with things now. With Duncan in place, I can see Walt signing all the Kip Wellses, Kyle Lohses, and Jeff Suppans he can get his hands on so he can continue turning garbage into gold. I don’t have the stomach for sitting around and waiting for the Reds to be as lucky as the cardinals have been.
by Brian B on Oct 2, 2009 7:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
its not luck when it happens over and over again
Lohse, Carpenter, Pinero, Franklin ……were passed over by alot of teams and Duncan turned them all into total studs.
by Dave from Louisville on Oct 2, 2009 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions
i've read a few articles at VEB that i'm too lazy to link at the moment
Franklin has been insanely lucky this year, but he has been falling back to Earth since the All Star Break. Carpenter was a talented pitcher who was an injury retred. Last season Lohse had an ERA+ of 113, his career ERA+ is 96, so that has to be within a standard devatation or two from his career norms. I mean he always had the ability to be a pitcher like that, and he just held it togeather for a season. Lohse’s ERA+ is only 86 this year but he has been hurt, but I wouldn’t be surprised if he falls back to being a league average pitcher next season (if he is healthy). Pinero really struggles to miss bats, he has a K/9 of 4.3 and his inability to miss bats makes it difficult to believe he can sustain his sucess, his BB/9 is 1.1 so we can give Duncan some credit for that, but I’m guessing next year he will be hit much much much harder. VEB also posted an article that said something to the point that Pinerio’s sucess will be difficult to maintain.
Is it Duncan or were the Cardinals insanely lukcy?
The Reds need a new manager, one like Putin.
Rothschild was Dusty's pitching coach in Chicago
Pole was his bench coach. I don’t know how Rothschild and Hendrey escaped the Prior/Wood fiasco unharmed, while Baker gets all the blame. I mean I feel like Rothschild was sitting right next to Dusty, and it is his job to advise the manager about the pitching staff and he could have said “Dusty maybe letting Prior through 135 pitches in September in a game with a 5+ run lead is a bad idea”, or Hendrey coulda said “As an organization we will not allow our starting pitchers to throw more than 120 pitches, and ideally we would like you to keep them around 110”. It seems that it was an organizational failure, not just a Dusty failure.
The Reds need a new manager, one like Putin.
but my question is why do this today
why not wait until 5 October?
The Reds need a new manager, one like Putin.
will it make you go blind?
http://cardboardgods.net/2006/10/15/dick-pole-and-peter-lacock/
Set the gearshift to the high gear of your soul.
by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Oct 2, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
clearly Brook Jacoby has earned his paycheck this year
thank god they fixed the problem with the coaching staff.
Definitely a good argument.
seriously...
no hall of fame hitter ever said jacoby was the best hitting coach he’s ever had, but greg maddox swears by pole being the best pitching coach he’s ever had.
Maddox also swears he draws better than your kids
by Brendanukkah on Oct 6, 2009 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Maddox also swears that he was the best quarterback in XFL history
"We, as for me all seasons you are affected peculiarly in the edge of my seat and are happy concerning the fact that the Adam Dunn fan has been mixed up exactly." - Reynard-san
by BK on Oct 6, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Mattox also swears he was a Cincinnati Rule V pick.
i mean sometimes Walt is like a prison shower, you know it is gonna happen, but it isn’t a good thing.
By the way
this Reds team will surely give up the fewest runs since 1999. They will likely score the fewest runs since 1997. And the pitching coach was the one coach that was fired?
Definitely a good argument.
The only thing that makes sense with Pole is if there is some sort of agreement in place with Duncan or someone
Regarding Jacoby, I’m not a fan, but who massively underperformed this year? Vottto, BP, Gomes, Nix, Hanigan, Dickerson, and every other youngish player played about how we thought they would or better. Bruce’s struggles are largely due to bad luck, and his plate approach has definitely improved.
Are we going to blame Jacoby for Taveras, Rosie, Janish, Gonzo, etc? Those guys just aren’t good, it’s not his fault.
I'mma let you finish, but....
I am ready and eager to blame Dick Pole for Jacoby's inability toto help Jannis and Rosy
And I’m pretty sure Dick had something to do with Stubbs being told to change his entire approach to offense while at AAA…come to think of it Pole may have been the entire reason for Dusty’s massive failure as a forward thinking creative manager.
After Duncan’s ridiculous tantrum over Bronson…well it makes me wonder if he’s not getting too old and cranky to be coupled with Dusty and Jackoffoby…
Billy Hatcher for manager
Jay Bruce will become a major league baseball STAR, starting in April, 2010.....
I disagree on Bruce
yeah, he was hurt by bad luck, but some of that luck he created himself too. His approach wasn’t good for much of the season.
Definitely a good argument.
He maybe got a bit pull happy, but he cut down on his Ks and raised his BBs
that’s pretty good development from a 22 year old at the MLB level
I'mma let you finish, but....
Hey
Janish barely played this year, yet he racked up his 20th double last week. I think he’s earned a shot next year. Just don’t bat him second just because hes a shortstop.
I want the Enquirer headline tomorrow to be
“Reds Pull Dick Pole from Coaching Staff and Pray for Improvement to Offense”
Definitely a good argument.
by Slyde on Oct 2, 2009 5:01 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
interesting
to me because it sure seems like the pitching was a lot more successful than the hitting for most of the season.
Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.
I was thinking this may have something to do with Edison
Seriously, Pole has show that he has no control over the innings pitched by the guys that go to the Dominican. THAT IS HIS JOB! And he hasn’t told Dusty how to manage HIS bullpen.
He’s the one that was talking about EV throwing like 100 pitches in a start down there, and what did he do when he found out that info last winter NOTHING. That’s like your buddy calling you from a bar saying your girlfirend is making out with another guy, and then you don’t beat his ass and kill her dog. Whatever you do in that situation ….inaction is unacceptable.
by Dave from Louisville on Oct 2, 2009 6:31 PM EDT reply actions
That's BS
Just because they may or may not be under contract doesn’t mean he can’t influence the situation
by Dave from Louisville on Oct 3, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Just noticed I made the front page!!!!!AWESOME
by Dave from Louisville on Oct 2, 2009 6:46 PM EDT reply actions
Is there any real chance of getting Duncan after the whole baseball deal?
People Don't Kill People. Burning Couches Kill People.
Why not?
Dusty doesn’t run this fucking team. Nor does Arroyo.
by Dave from Louisville on Oct 2, 2009 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions
You're right
Dusty does nor run this team. Just ask Corey Patterson, Willy Taveras, Darnell McDonald, Ramon Hernandez, and Alex Gonzales.
Wear something sexy to my funeral.
by Pops Daniels on Oct 6, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
this is stooooopid
why fire the pitching coach at this point in the season? stay classy, reds front office.
"I have found me a home"
who cares?
Maybe these guys ask and are told as a courtesy that their contracts are or are not going to be extended. I’m sure there’s a reason for this kind of thing when I happens.
by Brian B on Oct 2, 2009 8:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
1st Inning
With a pitching staff that’s somewhere in the middle of giving up runs in the NL, we managed to lead the league (majors?) in 1st inning runs allowed. That seems to me to indicate that pre-game preparation and game planning were poor. With all the young pitchers up or coming up, I think they’ll go with Power.
RR listens in on the Dick and Dusty show one last time-
Dusty: Hey Man, sorry about your news"
Dick: Huh?
Dusty: You know getting let go and all.“.
Dick: Well it really wasn’t my fault
Dusty: Yeah man, sure, part of the game”
Dick: Well Harang is old and hurt, Bronson didn’t start paying attention until the second half, Volquez hurt himself, Cueto is a rookie, Bailey is a prick, Owings wouldn’t shave,Belizzle had no control, Masset wanted to start, Corenda can’t speak the language, Lincoln and Bray were against me,Maloney can’t break a pane of glass, Arthur Rhodes threatened me, the only good guys I had were Lehr and Wells and they didn’t get any run support and that fucking midget lefty didn’t like me either"
Dusty: Dick, man -Cueto was here last year…Belisle was traded last……Hey man if the slip fits…wear it man, wear it."
Jay Bruce will become a major league baseball STAR, starting in April, 2010.....
we need an actions button on mobile rr
So I can rec white driving.
Sig lines are for suckas.
by jch24 on Oct 3, 2009 4:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
that's racist!
Stupid predictive text, “while driving”.
Sig lines are for suckas.
by jch24 on Oct 3, 2009 4:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
you haven't known a near death experience
until you’ve ridden with jch
he drives with his knees at 100 mph while texting. i am not embellishing this story
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Thank God
Dick Pole was an idiot.
First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...
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