Let's make a case for Swisher
According to MLBTR Nick Swisher and Xavier Nady are available. I don't see the point to acquiring Nady since it would be a rental, but I think Swisher could be intriguing.
He is a switch-hitter, gets on base, decent fielder (I think), and relatively cheap (about $21 million through 2011) and he will be around in 2010-11, which I think is the most forseeable window for the Reds to contend. I also think he could make the 2009 team at least respectable. He could be the big bat. He would absolutely RAKE at GABP, don't you think? He could fit nicely between Bruce and Votto, and play left field. This would also force Dusty to play the bench players on the bench. He could spell Votto
Here is a lineup I divined with Swisher in it:
Taveras - CF
Phillips - 2B
Bruce - RF
Swisher -LF
Votto-1B
Encarnacion - 3B
Hernandez - C
Gonalez/Someone worse - SS
What would it take to get him? I suspect it would take a small package, including a upper-tier prospect, probably not an outfielder. I think it is at least something that Jock should look into. Payroll could be an issue, since a lot of people will be getting raises over the next couple of years. He could also complicate the myriad of position shifts that have been discussed.
I need something to look forward to, and Cherry at short with Hopper in left is just not getting it done.
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But Phillips can't bat second...
he’s the second baseman!
We want to build long period of time. I didn’t come here for the shot run.
by Gray on Jan 8, 2009 12:17 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Look, don't get sore. fellas, these are the rules
Dusty didn’t make ‘em, but by crackin’ a man’s got to play by ‘em. I know some of high hats live in a world where you say “hey, everything goes, daddy-o!” or “do what titillates you!” or some such. And you know what? He’d like to live in that world too, fellers. He really would, honest injun.
Why, he’d like nothing better than to grow his hair out to an unreasonable length and listen to boogie-woogie records all night or go chasin’ skirts around some hooch joint with his good time pals or bat position players in any order he saw fit. Hey, that sounds like a real gas.
But that’s not the way the game is played. And, hell, he may be an old washed-up leatherhead from Peoria, but he reckons a lot of this newfangled ball-playin’ is a bunch a wet baloney.
So, Mr. Tavares, use both hands when handling that can a’ corn, leave your glove in the field, give a wink to your best girl in the bleachers and pick you out a fine piece of lumber to put down that slow-roller. You’re up first this inning.

All Mickey Mouse films are founded on the motif of leaving home in order to learn what fear is.
by Man Mountain on Jan 8, 2009 1:42 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
Hey, look!
A manager that is literally dustier than ours!…and much better. Much, much better. Which is really saying something, considering he’s been dead for 52 years.
“Somebody poke Connie’s corpse with a fungo! We need today’s lineup!”
Ya gotta wonder if a Connie Mack clone would still play small ball in today’s market, or if he’d be quickly converted by the long ball since it is in much greater supply this century. As are corn dogs.
I have discovered in 20 years of moving around a ballpark, that the knowledge of the game is usually in inverse proportion to the price of the seats. - Bill Veeck
by PeteyHendrix on Jan 8, 2009 2:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think that might be Mike Stanton peeking over Mack's shoulder.
I have discovered in 20 years of moving around a ballpark, that the knowledge of the game is usually in inverse proportion to the price of the seats. - Bill Veeck
by PeteyHendrix on Jan 8, 2009 4:15 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Nah its Murker
Mads, he is a crazy old man. Plus we have kinda had the same sabrametric evolution togeather.
Justin
by Madville on Jan 9, 2009 1:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I would love it.
I could see it getting done for Bailey and Duran or somesuch. Let’s hope.
Slyde: "You're like the Ike Turner of RR commenters."
by Pops Daniels on Jan 8, 2009 12:19 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I know you were just using an example
but can they trade Duran yet? I’m asking more for informational purposes. Do the same rules apply to international signees as they do to draftees?
We’’re in process of trying to a guy with a trade record of working with pitches
by Slyde on Jan 8, 2009 12:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
a qualified yes
im 95% sure.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 8, 2009 12:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yes to which question?
We’’re in process of trying to a guy with a trade record of working with pitches
by Slyde on Jan 8, 2009 12:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he could be a ptbnl
but I would like them to keep Duran around, I realize he probably won’t make an impact until the next decade, but I like the talent in the lower levels.
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions!"- Dr. Stephen T. Colbert DFA.
by justin007000 on Jan 8, 2009 3:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
A Bob Barker would say

"You are not my ass." - Reynard
by BK on Jan 8, 2009 12:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i wouldnt mind Bailey for Swisher
i wouldnt love it, but i like it a whole more than Bailey for Dye or Nady.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 8, 2009 12:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think that's too much
Duran, while holding some Major upside, is still very young and unpredictable. And Swisher is under contract for 3 years. I’d do that deal. I just don’t see the Yankees wanting Bailey, not with Hughes and Kennedy already looking for places to pitch.
We’’re in process of trying to a guy with a trade record of working with pitches
by Slyde on Jan 8, 2009 12:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
thats true
its not like the yankees have any actual needs of course. but i dont think they are totally sold on either of them, especially kennedy. who else? frazier? roenicke?
by saboscork on Jan 8, 2009 12:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i dont think it would take much
they didnt give up much to get him – a crappy utility guy, a Maloney-esque pitcher, and another low-level pitcher. i think the Yanks would be happy if we topped what they sent the Sox, so i would suggest something like Roenicke and Maloney.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 8, 2009 1:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Yankees
need left-handed pitchers. They’ve got a ton of right-handed talent down on the farm, but not much in the way of lefties. And the Yankees love lefties.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
by BubbaFan on Jan 8, 2009 4:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm just thinking Duran is overkill
for the investment the Reds have put into him, especially with the potential he’s shown so far. I’d love to see them get rid of Bailey, but I think you’re right about the Yankees not needing any more young RH starters. Maybe if we threw in Bray? I doubt they get more than Bailey/Bray from anyone else.
"You are not my ass." - Reynard
by BK on Jan 8, 2009 1:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Bailey and Bray is over kill
Bray is solid relief pitcher, who could be a setup man, or a closer in some bullpens down the line.
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions!"- Dr. Stephen T. Colbert DFA.
by justin007000 on Jan 8, 2009 3:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
unless they could get him for Bray striaght up
which I don’t think they could.
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions!"- Dr. Stephen T. Colbert DFA.
by justin007000 on Jan 8, 2009 3:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
but you have to give up something to get something. They have more lefties than they do righties, and between keeping him or Roenicke, I’d probably take Roenicke. And while Maloney makes more sense as the starter, I’d think they’re looking to trade Bailey first.
"You are not my ass." - Reynard
by BK on Jan 8, 2009 3:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Also:
I know nothing about Swisher, so I went to baseball-reference.com. What happened to him last year?
Year Ag Tm Lg G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG *OPS+
2004 23 OAK AL 20 60 11 15 4 0 2 8 0 0 8 11 .250 .352 .417 101
2005 24 OAK AL 131 462 66 109 32 1 21 74 0 1 55 110 .236 .322 .446 101
2006 25 OAK AL 157 556 106 141 24 2 35 95 1 2 97 152 .254 .372 .493 125
2007 26 OAK AL 150 539 84 141 36 1 22 78 3 2 100 131 .262 .381 .455 127
2008 27 CHW AL 153 497 86 109 21 1 24 69 3 3 82 135 .219 .332 .410 92
We want to build long period of time. I didn’t come here for the shot run.
by Gray on Jan 8, 2009 12:20 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
BABIP issues, mainly
his BABIP was something like .250, when his career average is like .310.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 8, 2009 12:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
sorry i was wrong
his career BABIP is .279. still a precipitous drop though.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 8, 2009 12:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
his career BABIP was .287 prior to last year, pretty much the average for the league.
We’’re in process of trying to a guy with a trade record of working with pitches
by Slyde on Jan 8, 2009 12:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ahhh yes
my bad. good catch.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 8, 2009 12:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
on the surface
it looks like a down year of luck. BABIP of .251 compared to .308 and .287 the previous two years. His line drive rate went up and his walk and k-rates were about where they’d been. Adjust his BABIP to .290, and you get a .245/.354/.434 line, which isn’t outstanding but looks a lot better than what he put up. In fact, that’s almost exactly what Marcel predicts for in 2009 too.
This may all be crap, but given that his BABIP adjusted numbers are more in line with his career numbers, I’d be willing to bet that he’s a superb bounceback candidate.
We’’re in process of trying to a guy with a trade record of working with pitches
by Slyde on Jan 8, 2009 12:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting. How is his fielding?
Is he just a poor man’s Adam Dunn?
We want to build long period of time. I didn’t come here for the shot run.
by Gray on Jan 8, 2009 12:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he's a career +14.5 runs in RF (according to UZR)
and -7.8 runs in CF. Last season he -0.8 in RF. He’d definitely be a defensive improvement over Dunn.
We’’re in process of trying to a guy with a trade record of working with pitches
by Slyde on Jan 8, 2009 12:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You know what would be a defensive improvement over Dunn?

Positioned properly…the pitchback’s throws would be more on line.
I have discovered in 20 years of moving around a ballpark, that the knowledge of the game is usually in inverse proportion to the price of the seats. - Bill Veeck
by PeteyHendrix on Jan 8, 2009 2:58 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
and they would probably have more velocity
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions!"- Dr. Stephen T. Colbert DFA.
by justin007000 on Jan 8, 2009 3:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i had one of those once
they don’t work. they just fall over when the ball hits. don’t fall for it!
by Daedalus on Jan 8, 2009 4:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nah, you just put a cinder block or two on that back leg and you're in business.
"Yes, and it's so important in this sport that the athletes be able to train in the same location." -Cynthia Potter, NBC Synchronized Diving Analyst
by 3 Fast 3 Furious on Jan 8, 2009 4:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I use that same advise with the girls I pick up at bars.
...because there's already someone posing as Jacob Brumfield
by Cy Schourek on Jan 8, 2009 6:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i never had a problem with it falling over
but i was only 8, it did fall apart before i was nine.
I bet JCH wouldn’t have a problem with it falling over.
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions!"- Dr. Stephen T. Colbert DFA.
by justin007000 on Jan 8, 2009 4:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Depends on what I'm doing with it
And for the record I’m undefeated in fast pitch among Red Reporters. I just have to steer way clear of Pops and a few others. :)
"Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est."
by jch24 on Jan 8, 2009 4:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
are you going to impregnate the pitch back?
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions!"- Dr. Stephen T. Colbert DFA.
by justin007000 on Jan 8, 2009 4:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Swisher went to Ohio State
and has some Ohio roots. Maybe he would favor it as well. He may be worth it SABRmetrically.
by buckeye22fox on Jan 8, 2009 12:20 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
thats right
he was born in columbus also i believe
by saboscork on Jan 8, 2009 12:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
went to high school in Parkersburg, WV
ive told this story a few times though.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 8, 2009 12:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ok
i thought he had too much genuine personality to actually have been raised in columbus
by saboscork on Jan 8, 2009 12:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ha
Slyde: "You're like the Ike Turner of RR commenters."
by Pops Daniels on Jan 8, 2009 12:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
born and raised in columbus
just so everyone knows im not a rabid hater
by saboscork on Jan 8, 2009 1:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I just don't see it happening
The Yankees just traded for him. I wish Walt would have beat them to the punch. i was pretty mad when I heard about the trade to the Yankees because they really didn’t give up anything. Swisher would have been a nice fit for the Reds.
I have not interest in Nady. I would rather just save money and give the younger guys more experience.
by Snake the Jake on Jan 8, 2009 12:42 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Swisher can help us save some money
Swisher was in that book about money! And now that the Yankees spent a lot of money on Teixeira, they’re essentially playing with house money when it comes to Swisher since as you point out they gave up nothing for him. So maybe they could make a deal. I hope Walt tries.
by ken on Jan 8, 2009 1:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's why I don't think they'll part with Swisher.
He hasn’t even played an inning for them yet. I wouldn’t put it past them, but I think it’s more likely Nady gets traded.
"You are not my ass." - Reynard
by BK on Jan 8, 2009 1:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yankees beat reporter Peter Abraham
thinks the opposite. He says since the Yankees gave up a genuine prospect for Nady, it would be hard to trade him. Swisher they got for almost nothing. It was a salary dump. So trading him would be more likely.
Me, if I was Ca$hMoney, I would keep them both. The Yankees are an old team, that has suffered a lot from injuries over the past few years. And they’re losing three outfielders next year.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
by BubbaFan on Jan 8, 2009 4:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You've mentioned this Nady reasoning before
But I still have a hard time believing a baseball decision would be made this way. It’s sunk cost. If the Yankees don’t need Nady and they can get a good deal for him, they should do it.
Why should it matter who you gave up to get Nady in the first place? It was a different circumstance.
All Mickey Mouse films are founded on the motif of leaving home in order to learn what fear is.
by Man Mountain on Jan 8, 2009 5:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
2 wrongs = right?
That Tabata for Nady trade was a bad one for the Yankees IMO. I don’t see why they would trade the better player now because they made a mistake in giving up too much for Nady last year.
by Snake the Jake on Jan 8, 2009 5:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually
I think the Yankees were kind of glad to be rid of Tabata. He had some off the field issues that they just didn’t want to deal with.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
by BubbaFan on Jan 8, 2009 6:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Tabata
I didn’t know about the off the field issues. He started mashing after the trade so maybe he just needed to switch organizations.
by Snake the Jake on Jan 8, 2009 6:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Bubba:
are the Yankees still your first love?
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions!"- Dr. Stephen T. Colbert DFA.
by justin007000 on Jan 8, 2009 7:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
they have four outfielders
not counting melky. they need damon to play center/lead-off and not even bowden would take on matsui’s contract. Nady or Swisher will be traded. When was the last time the Yankees acquired prospects in a trade? Since they didn’t give up too much perhaps whtye wouldnt ask for too much
by saboscork on Jan 8, 2009 12:47 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Swisher could still PH
and sub in for Teixeira and Matsui once a week. I could see 150 ABs for him in New York.
by buckeye22fox on Jan 8, 2009 12:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hmmm
i dont know if even the yankees would pay that much to use him like that if they didnt have to. i would think they would rather have bailey
by saboscork on Jan 8, 2009 12:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It's definitely worth a try
I would be shocked if the Reds acquire Swisher without severely overpaying though. I would definitely trade Bailey for him.
by Snake the Jake on Jan 8, 2009 12:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i dunno
Swisher is better than what the Reds currently have and I’d like for them to make any deal that makes them a better ballclub. I think the organization is ready to give up on Bailey and has cast him as a flake. Visually i dont understand how he has had so much success as he looks terribly hittable to me.
by obc2 on Jan 8, 2009 12:58 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
i think bailey can still be decent
but i dont think that will happen in cincy. better to get him to the AL and get something for him. i still think it will take a couple throw-ins in addition to get a deal done
by saboscork on Jan 8, 2009 1:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
Bailey has more than worn out his welcome here. He doesn’t want to be here, most of the fans don’t want him here, and his value isn’t going up by him coming to GABP, getting lit up, and getting booed off the field.
"You are not my ass." - Reynard
by BK on Jan 8, 2009 1:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Drink that Hal McCoy Koolaid!
by Dave from Louisville on Jan 8, 2009 1:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Because I apparently have the same opinion of a player as a member of the media, I'm drinking their koolaid now?
That makes sense.
"You are not my ass." - Reynard
by BK on Jan 8, 2009 1:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
btw
the extra “b” stands for “blind”
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 8, 2009 2:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i thought it stood for boy
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions!"- Dr. Stephen T. Colbert DFA.
by justin007000 on Jan 8, 2009 3:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh yeah, and I stand by my statement
and Hal’s too, if that’s what he said. Is “you agree with Hal” the best counterargument you came up with?
"You are not my ass." - Reynard
by BK on Jan 8, 2009 1:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
KEEP BAILEY!
Well his argument is silly but Cincinnati is a what have you done for me lately town and if Bailey came out and won a spot in the rotation with a great Spring everyone would be back on the bandwagon. Hal would be writing stories about how he was wrong and Doc would name him the next Clemens because the Cincy media blows!
All I’m saying about Homer is he has been said to have more than enough talent to be successful and it is up to the coaches to figure out how to coach this very immature kid up to succeed. I feel like he will mature and he will be successful and it CAN be in Cincinnati. If the argument is he can’t succeed in Cincy and he needs a change on scenery shouldn’t the Reds look at themselves as the real problem?
I coach basketball at an inner city school and if a kid had tons of talent but was in trouble, didn’t get the grades, and was a flop on the court but then transferred to another school got his stuff together and was all city I would do nothing but blame myself. In fact I would probably ask his new coach what it took to make things click for this kid. I wouldn’t say, " well it just never would have worked." Bailey’s not a lost cause (maybe our pitching coaches are) and we need to adjust to this kid not expect him to adjust to our staff.
Also, he came here a pretty blank slate and the Reds allowed him to become what he is. If he had ego problems they should have nipped them. If he wasn’t savvy they should have taught him how to pitch instead of throwing him in there and letting him get by on stuff. Volquez did not come around until he was put on a stringent regimen by the Rangers. Volquez was once where Bailey is now. Pressing to get on the Major League team, losing and not focusing on his mechanics.
Here is a clip from an article on Volquez from espn.com
The Rangers met with Volquez in mid-March 2007, outlining its plan for him. He’d start in Class A. He would graduate to the next level if certain requirements were met.
It’s easy to see why. Among the rules he had to follow:
- Run on and off the field within 12 seconds.
- On days he pitched, only speak to his catcher, manager and pitching coach.
- Write down a plan for the nine hitters.
- Use a No. 2 blade when shaving his head.
- Throw 60 percent first-pitch strikes.
- On 80 percent of 0-1, 0-2 counts, throw an action pitch, or quality purpose pitch.
- Chart pitches on days he is not starting.
- Always have his shirt tucked in, and his pants tidy.
Any violation of those rules would result in a $250 fine and a possible skip in the rotation. At first, Volquez was dejected, then his attitude brightened and his drive to get back to the majors became intense.
“The best thing I did was I never stopped working,” he said.
They sent EV down to A ball to start ’07 and MADE him figure things out while also getting his mechanics perfect and working on his pitches and his control. (This is another coaching aspect that pisses me off about the Reds. Bobby Knight always said to work at what your not good at and get better but to work harder and perfect what your good at. Basically saying your never going to be something your not. Bailey’s not going to have Hoffman’s change so quick trying to force it and let him learn to get hitters out with his current arsenal which is more than effective. If there are other pitches that help that fastball out teach them but don’t expect him to learn an out pitch, that almost never happens at the pro level.)
Now with all of that said my worry comes more into play with his actual talent level. He does not seem to have the pitches that were once advertised and maybe he is mentally a lost cause and will not succeed any where, if that’s the case deal him. But I am tired of hearing "change of scenery" talk because you can be successful anywhere! I also say what evidence does anyone have he can’t make it here? We had better get a proven commodity for Homer if we do deal him and it better not be some fodder. I honestly would hate to see him go for Swish, but I guess you have to give something to get something. Hey I’m just holding out hope he is our #2 between EV and Cueto in a few years.
by kennythered on Jan 8, 2009 11:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
a #2 razor
WTF? That just sounds insane. i get most of the other stuff.
by obc2 on Jan 10, 2009 9:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
"I suspect it would take a small package"
The big unit didn’t work out so well for them.

Bruce Bonser? Boone Bonser? Boot Bonser? BOOSE BONZER?
by Lakeman on Jan 8, 2009 1:57 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
so we should send them Slyde?
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions!"- Dr. Stephen T. Colbert DFA.
by justin007000 on Jan 8, 2009 3:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Baldelli's gone...
so who’s left?
We want to build long period of time. I didn’t come here for the shot run.
by Gray on Jan 8, 2009 2:27 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
who?
We want to build long period of time. I didn’t come here for the shot run.
by Gray on Jan 8, 2009 2:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ask Reynard.
Slyde: "You're like the Ike Turner of RR commenters."
by Pops Daniels on Jan 8, 2009 2:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
who?
I have discovered in 20 years of moving around a ballpark, that the knowledge of the game is usually in inverse proportion to the price of the seats. - Bill Veeck
by PeteyHendrix on Jan 8, 2009 3:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
what about Reynard's ass?
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions!"- Dr. Stephen T. Colbert DFA.
by justin007000 on Jan 8, 2009 3:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Someone was talking out of it the other day.
Might have been Reynard.
I have discovered in 20 years of moving around a ballpark, that the knowledge of the game is usually in inverse proportion to the price of the seats. - Bill Veeck
by PeteyHendrix on Jan 8, 2009 3:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Reynar'd
Hey Dusty...Are you sure you're OK? You might need an MRI.
by Paul Householder on Jan 8, 2009 4:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
thanks
to everyone for commenting on my first post. more to come if i dont find something better to do
by saboscork on Jan 8, 2009 4:27 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Act like you've been there before!

"Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est."
by jch24 on Jan 8, 2009 4:30 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That's what my band director always said.
It’s probably the ONLY thing I ever got out of my 5 years of being around him.
and rec’d because I believe in it.
Education is what you get from reading the directions. Experience is what you get from not reading them.
by snohio on Jan 8, 2009 4:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
When I see my boss stressed out about getting a project done
I reassure him by shooting him a cocky glance and bombastically proclaiming that “I ain’t scared. This ain’t my first rodeo.”
Then he tells me to straighten my name tag and go clean the grease trap.
I have discovered in 20 years of moving around a ballpark, that the knowledge of the game is usually in inverse proportion to the price of the seats. - Bill Veeck
by PeteyHendrix on Jan 8, 2009 5:30 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Rec'd for the chuckle
I’m coming for you Gray!
"Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est."
by jch24 on Jan 8, 2009 5:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
miami grad huh?
Think of me what you will...I gotta little space to fill
by chandrathan on Jan 8, 2009 6:36 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
rec'd
mostly because most of the people I know at Miami are arrogant douche bags.
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions!"- Dr. Stephen T. Colbert DFA.
by justin007000 on Jan 8, 2009 7:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You know me via interwebs.
I’m not an arrogant douchebag. I’m not fully aware of where the Miami bashing came from, but I’d like to make it known that I’m employed.
"Yes, and it's so important in this sport that the athletes be able to train in the same location." -Cynthia Potter, NBC Synchronized Diving Analyst
by 3 Fast 3 Furious on Jan 9, 2009 10:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nope.
I’m employed.
I have discovered in 20 years of moving around a ballpark, that the knowledge of the game is usually in inverse proportion to the price of the seats. - Bill Veeck
by PeteyHendrix on Jan 8, 2009 7:53 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
rec'd for the funny continued miami bashing
(I’m not really sure why it’s funny to bash Miami, but I’m vulnerable to peer pressure)
Think of me what you will...I gotta little space to fill
by chandrathan on Jan 8, 2009 7:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Muck Fiami
Even got the T-shirt, which I wear proudly.
I may, or may not, have led this charge. I’m passionate about punching Miami in the proverbial mouth. I mean they have HEATED sidewalks….for chrissakes.
by obc2 on Jan 10, 2009 9:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
heated sidewalks?
that sounds nice
Think of me what you will...I gotta little space to fill
by chandrathan on Jan 10, 2009 9:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
State had some heated sidewalks too.
Everybody's a jerk. You. Me. This jerk.
by andromache on Jan 10, 2009 9:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hardly a spartan existence, then?
by Brendanukkah on Jan 11, 2009 9:25 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Pun Rec!
Think of me what you will...I gotta little space to fill
by chandrathan on Jan 11, 2009 10:43 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
rec'd
i am going to rec any post that bashes Miami University.
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions!"- Dr. Stephen T. Colbert DFA.
by justin007000 on Jan 8, 2009 8:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
While you "bashe" ONU with every post you make
All Mickey Mouse films are founded on the motif of leaving home in order to learn what fear is.
by Man Mountain on Jan 8, 2009 8:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
would you believe they pay me to tutor western civ students?
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions!"- Dr. Stephen T. Colbert DFA.
by justin007000 on Jan 8, 2009 8:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i feel like the world just got dumber
by jacob brumfield on Jan 9, 2009 12:36 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You mean dummer.
I have discovered in 20 years of moving around a ballpark, that the knowledge of the game is usually in inverse proportion to the price of the seats. - Bill Veeck
by PeteyHendrix on Jan 9, 2009 12:52 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Nats have given up on Dunn
Or so they say:
It appears the Nationals will not sign any major free agents this offseason. According to a baseball source, they will concentrate on their Minor League system and try to trade for young players.
Recently, the Nationals were trying to sign free agents Milton Bradley, Adam Dunn and Orlando Hudson, but Bradley signed a three-year deal with the Cubs on Thursday and Dunn and Hudson are asking for too much money. Dunn has been linked to the Dodgers, while the Mets are reportedly after Hudson.
They were willing to pay Teixeira more than the Yankees, but Dunn is asking for too much money?
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
by BubbaFan on Jan 8, 2009 6:42 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
NOW it is.
If they can’t sign enough impact players (and it NOW seems that no major FA wants to play for the Nats), then it makes sense for them to develop a team instead.
I have discovered in 20 years of moving around a ballpark, that the knowledge of the game is usually in inverse proportion to the price of the seats. - Bill Veeck
by PeteyHendrix on Jan 8, 2009 7:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
could you tell that to Castellini?
...because there's already someone posing as Jacob Brumfield
by Cy Schourek on Jan 8, 2009 7:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Bob's with the program.
He just can’t say it publicly because it would hurt pre-season ticket sales and certainly contradict himself publicly.
I think Jocko is prepared to go into a full-on rebuilding year, but will certainly take the February FA recession players who become bargains and might fill a hole that would get us near 82 wins (striking distance). Even if he is not prepared for a full rebuilding year, that is EXACTLY what he should be saying in the press, as it will further depress FA prices.
Since a couple of the studs would have to be rushed, I’m not sure I mind either way, unless we can swing deals for Swisher and Beltre.
EdE for Swisher + cash and Maloney/Bailey for Beltre? It won’t happen, but are those reasonable prices?
I have discovered in 20 years of moving around a ballpark, that the knowledge of the game is usually in inverse proportion to the price of the seats. - Bill Veeck
by PeteyHendrix on Jan 8, 2009 8:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
EdE for Swisher + cash
At that rate, the Reds might even win 72 games this year (and the next).
No, I'm not Reynard's Ass either.
by Paul Householder on Jan 8, 2009 10:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Trading EE
to a team with ARod at third and Texiera at first and already a logjam at DH? Brilliant!! Needing power and lacking an outfielder and solving the problem by trading power and then needing a 3rd baseman! Awesome.
Take that back to the drawing board, Paul, and come up with a Yankee need or desire…after all, the Yankees will
by timb116 on Jan 9, 2009 12:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Paul was responding to the suggestion from PeteyHendrix
and I think he was mocking it given this 72 win projection.
We’’re in process of trying to a guy with a trade record of working with pitches
by Slyde on Jan 9, 2009 12:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
sorry, Paul, I feel like a bigger jerk than usual
by timb116 on Jan 9, 2009 12:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
s'OK
At least you didn’t suggest trading EdE for Swisher.
No, I'm not Reynard's Ass either.
by Paul Householder on Jan 9, 2009 11:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Correctamundo!

I was really just asking for opinions on what the current market price is. Trading EdE for Swisher does not seem to make sense for the Bankee$ without an third team included, and I was just throwing out the Beltre offer to further advance this conversation. That said, what IS a reasonable offer for either of these trades (trades that I think we should make, but which likely will not occur)? Can any or the RR faithful build reasonable trade offers for both Siwsher and Beltre with our current pieces, and how much does it deplete our farm system? Do you need a multi-team deal to make it work? Could it be done in ONE deal?
I have discovered in 20 years of moving around a ballpark, that the knowledge of the game is usually in inverse proportion to the price of the seats. - Bill Veeck
by PeteyHendrix on Jan 9, 2009 2:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Bailey's a fair-ish trade for one year of Beltre at his price,
but someone will pay more, I’d think.
Everybody's a jerk. You. Me. This jerk.
by andromache on Jan 8, 2009 10:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I tried that last year
I was at a game last September and kept yelling contract terms to him. He just laughed. Jay Bruce threw a ball to my girlfriend too. I was jealous that he threw it to her instead of me.
I can’t wait for the season to start.
by Snake the Jake on Jan 9, 2009 12:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oops...it wasn't September
It must have been some time in July.
by Snake the Jake on Jan 9, 2009 12:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think Dunn will return here
The vocal fans and announcers have, on the whole, been unfairly critical of him – sort of like when one might bitch that a movie wasn’t what they wanted so they hated it – even if it was a good film.
Add in that he’s a lefty (not a dealbreaker, but I am in the “don’t put your best three power hitters back-to-back-to-back against a LOOGY if they’re all lefties” camp, which around here is heresy, so type it very quietly), and that he probably wants a shot at the playoffs this decade…well, I can’t blame him for wanting to sign almost anywhere else first.
I think he’d be a good fit for the Dodgers. Dunn’s average home run distance reportedly led the league last year. Batting in a pitcher’s park would seem to hurt Dunn the least out of any slugger, and I’d bet that the laid-back fans in LA wouldn’t be as critical, despite being a major market.
I have discovered in 20 years of moving around a ballpark, that the knowledge of the game is usually in inverse proportion to the price of the seats. - Bill Veeck
by PeteyHendrix on Jan 9, 2009 2:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
funny story
I didn’t know that “heresy” and “hearsay” were two different words until I got to college. On a history paper freshman year, I made the Spanish Inquisition sound FAR more arbitrary than it really was.
...because there's already someone posing as Jacob Brumfield
by Cy Schourek on Jan 9, 2009 3:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No one expects the Spanish Inquisition!

Bring out…the fluffy pillows!
I have discovered in 20 years of moving around a ballpark, that the knowledge of the game is usually in inverse proportion to the price of the seats. - Bill Veeck
by PeteyHendrix on Jan 9, 2009 4:53 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Spaniards take their out-of-court statements very seriously
by ken on Jan 9, 2009 5:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Those "cockers!"
Reds fan for 40 years!
by gejoe on Jan 10, 2009 10:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

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